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is an episode I'll buy you guys. It's been on my mind for a long time for a number of years, since twenty fourteen bank yeah five five years to be exact, Matt Right, has it been that long? It has indeed the fur season of true detective from mirrored in twenty fourteen. This series, written by an author named Nick Pilato, seemed set change the face of television as we knew its one was prestige programmes, that's kind of like Very long cereal Ized film, like the wire right or breaking bad, maybe the sopranos would be another one sure. I then, of course lost ray all these things that change the way we look at formats in the way Look. It's storytelling. True detective made this enormous impact on visa, guys, the spirit of our age and a lot people said weird Julie. Ideas come from what

zest you Nick Nicholas, to create something, this dark and arranged and grid and horrifying. Can't you a shameless plug, really quick, it's a lot, o, actually wrote. An episode for a series is coming out that I worked on called Baron a banjo. He wrote that the ultimate episode the finale reveal the story. Well, it's not horrifying. It's a little bit of a ghost story. I honestly, but it's definitely lighter fair than when he wrote, enter detective by check it out in that the first episode of the show drops tomorrow, in fact, which is the the second of October, as this would be in the past by then, but check it out, that's fantastic, true, detective. True detective was really one of those shows the had the tone somewhere between a film nor a weird fiction right, and I think that's why a of people latched onto it and it felt like your saying. Then it felt

sue out there. The main story line where there was corruption and terrible things happening to children At least it didn't feel real right as we found out. Maybe there's something else too it that's that's correct smell. Do want to issue this disclaimer at the top of today's episode. This episode. Teens, not only spoilers for true detective season, one and probably a little bit a trash talking about your detective season. To offer being honest, this also contains, discussion of graphic crimes of a sexual nature, the discussion animal cruelty, abuse very very heavy, disturbing, potentially triggering thing so listener discretion is advised. Here are the facts. True detective dead people, find the curtain. The three of us really

the show when it came out in it in a way. True detective could be described as an anthology each season there three season so far takes place in this. Its own self contained narrative that maybe exist in the same universe. Each season will follow a different set of characters as they attempt to unravel the twisted story of a crime right or as you know that in some cases hide that story. True Take the seas of one takes this just wonder or non linear approach follows to homicide. Active in Louisiana from them, initial investigation of the murder of a sex worker in the mid nineties. Ninety ninety five to there very problematic reunion and the relaunch of the investigation. Almost twenty years later here, the spoilers spoil earlier Do not want to be spoiled if you haven't seen detective and you're gonna get angry,

spoilers fast forward, pass this port. It gets spigots very strange. Very quick, interestingly enough. Our true detective was actually a one of the very first true crime magazines, kind of a pulpy trashy, true crime rag that published, I think, from the forties up until the Seventys, and it was all of these greedy grisly details about actual murders. So, in this series, at the first season, our detectives, our heroes, sort of anti heroes in certain ways is interesting that the dynamic there between them will get more into. They come Ross a very deep running inter generational conspiracy, a secret call with members Cross, Louisiana Society, that Ritual Isaac, actual assault and murder, and members of the courts are a problem, Figures in the community politicians, religious figures, pastors drug dealers, high level, drug dealers and more there's a absent

lean insidious use of smoke screens using places like youth centres and churches and other spots that are sort of unemployed. Trouble in their sanctity right trust, the institutions used to cover up these horrific crimes and, while the tactics, Marty and rust do manage to eventually solve the immediate crime which set them off on this, the strange journey, We are not able to get complete justice. They are not able to arrest the entire calls in it strongly implied that this cult continues on in some form. And even worse, some of them where's, the called the prominent ones you mentioned earlier, no retain their positions in society. They get away, nothing bad happens to them, the others, the worst part the thought that day that it's over it's over for those detectives, because cases over, but they will never be able to bring the

actual or even know, the like true extent of that operating conspiracy. Right nor the history of it were how far back it goes. This work draw Inspiration from a lot of places first would be the king in yellow delightful disturbing book by Robert W chambers it's an anthology of semi, linked stories and four of these stories reference? serious work, a play, call The king and yellow I that is about the same thing, the supernatural character called the king in yellow or the yellow king You never read the plea in full you only He had alluded to because when people read this play, when they see a performed drives them in saying can see some excerpts in it. There were. In the story Castille this song.

There's a line from act, one scene too, of the play just read this part session. Of my soul, my voices dead, die, thou unsung as tears. Unshared shall dry and die in lost car Cosa in lost ringing. Bells right and this. So this was lake atmosphere. Tone re cosmic horror, witches explored? You know in inch detective, but it's not it's not a soup actual monster, Phil Rank Stance, supernatural story. There's this. It feels like its teetering on the edge of it. It is skyways yet never really gets there. I guess they then maybe was a little bit of a let down for some folks. Nearly nearing the end of the season is, I think there was an expectation, there's gonna, be some supernatural qualities and the spoiler didn't really pan out. That way

Some interesting fan theories, which can I cannot be proven or disproven without you know, talking did Nick, but oh, But if you were to lose an afternoon, it's a great way to spend it the one other literary influence that pilato sites eyes called the spears against the human race. Nonfiction essays by a horror writer named Thomas Lagarde. It was an amazing, very unhappy writer, things happen in his stories. So, as we know in in the story true detective season. One there's the detective rust coal played pitch perfectly by Matthew, Mokanna, hay and rust callers, over the idea of people. He has a pessimistic of philosophy that he expounds upon apparently, every time there in a car kind of and

He is also what we would call an anti nationalist someone who thinks that people are born in that negative being, and it gets worse from their absolute. A man is definitely philosophy that is much more promptly. In his grizzled older version of the character, the younger one. He sees definitely still got that vibe and is constantly pissing off his partner played by Woody Harrelson for being a bit of a pill and aims runner his knife allow that's happens later. There absolutely but Lee The story is framed in like a past and future kind of cross cutting and the future rascal is in a day. Deposition bodies being interrogated by police officers from I guess, we'll be modern day and he's clearly emphasis and this is where a lot of his his statements you know not not a deposition, but that interview right and in earlier interviews

side of the universe and the show, as we said, Nick Piss Lotto said well. This did influence me this is an amazing piece of literature, but he was initially accused of play. Tourism because of the similarity between coals dialogue and Le God. He's writing does see, there's no Florence, but he does deny that he was in any way a plagiarists, but these are just two atmospheric philosophical, things. They are the side. There are the sauce. They are not the main dish. The main dishes you mentioned earlier Matt is the terrible terrible unfolding of events in the course of the plot. Not leads us to today's question What if there is more to the story? What if true detective, doesn't take inspiration from works of fiction. What if there is a real story behind this television show? What if there is for lack of a better free, a true true. Detective will learn more afterward from our sponsor.

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There appears to be at least one particular occurrence You know really was a decade that way we had struggling. We close to what is explored, at least within the television show. Rights right will travel to. Puncture tool a Louisiana. Now off air, the three of us were were flexi our southern accent muscles. We will a good. We love a good down south voice, I'm going to try not to fall into it, because this is serious stuff, but it might happen. There is a place. And there was a place and punched Tula Louisiana called Hosanna Church was founded by a pastor named Louis La Monica. And originally when they started, they had less than twenty four people less than twenty four congregants, the very small church. But it's not unusual for churches to start small.

Yes, true it in the seventies. This church was attended regularly by around a thousand people, wonder what changed the facilities of Hosanna Church had us in January, and behind that there was a children's school and Llewelyn Monica the founder had passed, engine Ben passed away in nineteen. Eighty four and the church went through about a decade Various temporary leaders until Llewelyn Monica son Lula. Monica Junior took the right It should be noted here that, The original Llewelyn Monica Senior was seen as a kind of a paragon of the community he was beloved by both people Where do the church and known by people who just lived in the parish early? That's the story, and he was kind of NED Flanders. You get the vibe when you read people of Europe buzz accounts of medium and living with him, not so for Junior Luella Monica June

when he took the when he took leadership of the church began. Circling the wagons things started, look strange for people on the outside of the walls. He started excommunicate church members for various perceived slights or sins or missteps. It could be disagreement over doctrine sure, but if they attended another church even once they would be excommunicated. One popular competitor, was harvest world outreach ministries started by the former youth Minister of Hosanna Church. This is troubling a few years back. We did. We did a video in which we broke down the ways that colts operate on the human mind and one of the first one of the very first lot of colts will do when they're moving from being in a religion to an actual cult of some sort is

they will isolate the members or isolate the followers. This you can see the video if you want this this isolation itself. It's important to note. This is not a crime. This is just. Bull, deciding to live together in a like minded way, and there is not a law against it here, really right a law against it, because you know if people want to do things that other people thinker weird more or to them so long as you're, not hurting anyone. You haven't you I just want to point out here really quickly that I've been apart of several church movements where family and I followed a pastor to a different church, and it wasn't so much about the church itself. It was a lot of other. People there were there the congregation, but it was more about the experience you get when you are. You know, sitting in a pew listening to a pastor speak right, because it really is in a lot of ways, performance. In do I like this, performers does resonate with me collapsing. I that's

go and that's not inherently insidious right. It is just a personal preference, whereas I like this guy verses other. And why would I dont know? Why would I get something different? The diner you know I, like my Hornby sandwich or and it hits of the nature of this in in just to get into that background. A little bit to having this this person that you trust and have grown up with a sensible you probably had to maybe had kids while this pastor was the head of your church were whatever occurred in your life. You went through high school whatever it is. And he passes away. Then you go through all these temporary things in this new guy comes through and I'm just imagining. Being in the mindset of one of his congregation. What years? What you're feeling, as all of this stuff starts to happen, you're describing them Elliot He seems to be either go off the rails or at least handling the reins in a very different way. So you thank you. Calling the members of the Congo that would not be susceptible to

new regime that he was trying to bring about right. I think someone was that there's Euler yeah. Well, there's a twist to doubt area I saw Le Monica also. Like you said, I love you point out, calling that's a good way to describe it. He also fought with churches, staff, other people who would be in the power structure, and he ordered multiple staff members to sketch out or to leave the church and never return, including the churches secretary, who is his mother, he kicked his mom out of the church there Does it make sense to me unless the it is something a little off handed? They were dealing with here because a church like that, especially a smaller church. Even if you got a thousand members you exist because every Sunday, in whatever other fundraiser you're having people money into a plate in that goes into the church font right in no matter how many no matter, how small contribution was saying just ten dollars,

every Sunday, maybe even five dollars, maybe up to twenty or more getting rid of that on a monthly basis, if you think about it like a Netflix subscription or something that that's ruin a church really fast, absolutely and speaking, risk and all it was during this time by their own? Can action, was during this time that members of the Hosanna Church were routinely ritualistically assaulting children and animals the following? information may not be suitable for all listeners? This comes from the New York Times. You have an excerpt cheer and were used. To summarize some of the events, but also to underline to emphasise that this was not something that was reported infringe sources. This was in papers of note this with huge news. Your time says sure of Daniel. Each Edwards of Tender poets said that as many as twenty five children about evenly split between

boys and girls might have been involved in. Sex acts at the youth sinner therein, Hosanna cars and in the homes of at least two of those charged, the abuse to court. To Edward seems to have begun and ninety ninety nine and stopped occurring on church grounds after two thousand and three, however Edwards went on to say nobody really believes they just stopped abusing children. Yet true, Edward said that the group apparently had a pretty effective formula for going under the radar, and that was ass. We mention the same in detecting using. Church and that close knit relationship between the members and victims, who would very likely look the other way when it came to reporting these abuses too forties Fisher, and he didn't actually say, hey, look guys, everybody. We ve got devil worshipping going on here and it's a call. They never do boy. You yeah, that's a pretty, have

claim rain. It almost feels you wouldn't to really print that necessarily because that is such an accusation, but it's what they were doing there. What would at least some of the defendants who are involved in some of the cases they came out of this They told investigators, that quote Devil worship was the reason for their participation. Doing these atrocities to children and animals? I guess what I was getting at is like it's. Slippery slope kind of situation when you're indoctrinate into a call, no one says: hey wanna join my called. Ebay is kind of like that. Mid mission creep right now, It happens a little bit over time and before you know it, it's like the boiling frog kind of situation. Sure if it takes a little while and then before you know it this situation, you find yourself in, and you don't know how to get but in this case there saying vague yeah, we joined this thing that I guess could be considered a cold because we wanted to be a part of the devil, worship right and an unjust laugh

a little bit, because when you said nobody up and says: hey, we join my cold because we, a little bit a sketch comedy and in that called video, exactly what you said it's exactly with as our as our dear leader, our spiritual grew still ready to kick their thing, backup action whenever you guys are miss being a deity, so I you add, a gift for it. Chuck was on board, we had a lotta Jonathan Strickland was on board. Yes, yes, I so in this case. At this point, the events occurring In the present, a church community appear to be a genuine case of devil worship. The Monica inner circle, said that they murdered undefiled animals. They sacrificed cats, a sexually assaulted, at least one dog, while

reparable damaging the lives in the minds of multiple child victims. The criminal involved, apparently used Penta Grams. They wore robes and other products in the course of their crimes, and some their victims, were their very own children, own biological offspring? There's no. The way to see it. If this is true, it's a genuine case of ritual. I satanic abuse and we talked about it before the outbreak. Of hysteria. That is now called the satanic panic which gripped american way throughout the Eightys and Ninetys most of the things most the stories we heard about, satanic panic cases, leader turned out to be, groundless seen, none of them were true, were saying that there was very little actual proof but Media didn't really care. This was fantastic fodder for sixty minutes type investigations.

And a grisly segments on the evening news there just didn't seem to be too much reality too many of these stories. This case, however, at least at the first appears to be an exception and one that almost when undiscovered authorities didn't, learn about the crimes until two thousand and five right in started in the nineties and that's why in the coal Bernard was thirty. Six years old at the time called the sheriff's office, Therein Louisiana from Black Lick, Ohio to say she had fled town to savour child from abuse. And then the authorities learned that members of the town knew something was rotten much much earlier. So the telegraph actually reported the church at attempted to intimidate some of the other resin of the area they side. TIM Norman, who was a property developer, retire probably developer. Who was a resident to live very close by the church,

He was quoted as saying that La Monica and his congregation had essentially waged war against him war of intimidation, a campaign to try to force him out of the community near when he made a lot of accusations about what was going on. Some of them were again more full than others. One thing he references this is some kind of native american panting or you know, vocalist nations than he characterizes them a little differently. But

like whooping noises relations, perhaps yeah they did, that would occur by the congregation in his garden or you know out near his property or perhaps even on his property, and that their behaviour would just increasingly get stranger and stranger. My favorite, lying still from it, is suggested it stuck out to me. Reading the skies accounts, not gonna, do a voice, utter respect, but they wanted to ties their children in my Crete, which isn't that crazy right on the surface like we get a body water, we learn about somebody or, if not you bad, but I said you can't do that here, there's gaiters in there, which is also probably true James out. Asean, probably is true at the same time. What is that imply like there wouldn't have been part of the ritual? I mean what the fact our gaiters and merely then I want to die. Oh no he's just he's giving us a contrast, as the non member who lives in the area of energy, but did is gonna sound like a bit of a cook,

what this guy again a little bit like certainly a little. Nobody also is referencing in maybe he's just miss characterizing, some of the noises that he's hearing, because he his his property, really was in. In close proximity to this the buildings where things were allegedly occur. It reminds me of that the Georgia Guide Stone story where we did a little film for Amazon about that, and we have talked about on the show and what I did Senior thesis film on that years ago, my interview, you'd a pastor at a church, there was near by and just really quick the Georgia guys terms. This like stone, granite monument and rural part of Georgia, have been associated with things like the new world order and the Illuminati occasionally, satanic rituals and the pastor that I spoke to swore up and down that he saw blow rituals being done there absolutely no evidence of that ever having taken place or maybe what he saw was perhaps some pagan

in robes doing some sort of solstice ritual by. I feel as though in his mind being a particularly god type of man. Inserted some detail and maybe wasn't there. It occurs to me, maybe some of that's going on here. I know we all through the lenses we put up in front rank, that's right and everybody's that protect most of their own story, so they very well may have just been doing something in there Can you hear in their movement and he decided it was about him. You know right possible, or he felt left Maybe it actually was rituals pressure, or maybe it's just the truth. Actually that's the way. These kinds of stories. In particular, this one feels like could this really have been happening right in there so much more yeah. Yes, in two thousand and three: that's when we see the first confession: law enforcement is not involved. Some members of the church confessed to other congregants disclosing.

Crime and asking according to authorities in later investigation for forgiveness. Led to a schism. A final mass departure from the church was on membership dwindled, and you can imagine what that would occur right. Some people go up in front of church or you hear about. We're going up in confessing to doing those things tat. It would be done. The added the oh God made, forgive, but let's it's a tall order for a lot of people, especially given the just the perverse nature of these crimes. Two Nicole Bernard she was the former spouse of whose Honours Youth Minister Guy named Austin Tree Bernard, the third he had some times been described as the mastermind or the ringleader of this group Bernard claimed that she had heaps and videos that belong to the church that suits then she But she was saying because she was saying you know, there's an abuse cult out there,

children are in danger. I have proof you just to remind everybody, she's, the one. Who called in from Ohio higher yes begin reporting on this are to begin telling people this story and she was later arrested along with some of the people that she named. And, along with her Ex husband, the youth pastor, Austin Bernard. That is just the first they confessions, so a law enforcement absorbing used in carpenter and his colleagues were absolutely astonished. And Louis Le Monica Junior Kay by the station a nearby sheriff's office in two thousand five, and he said that he wants to talk about the dedication of a baby to Satan that was held in the church upstairs and what he referred to as the youth room and he's sounds like he's like turning himself in this is

He went on to describe a room where all the windows were blacked out. He seek was Kurdistan quote like black paper? Keep it dark. There was a pantograph in the middle of the floor. He said, and a book of quotes else, and temptations sounds like the most southern that it sounds like it's. It's a thing Purposely made to scare people who are participating in late Christianity in the south, as yell book spells. Imitation exactly early, because every matter, your children ever do those hell plays They have been to those other tribulation trail yeah like the Holloway and stuff. I love you. I mean it's like an excuse for them

while out and do the most offensive, creepy inner satanic stuff, but it was all with the purpose of leg. It was like scared straight like scaring you two into the arms of the Lord and probably going to one this month lies. This is my favorite time. It's a good time of the Erika, the one they hadn't might church in your area, Chechnya, by my house. They had a a crashed car if they would park outside and it was like they have a fake dead body. That he presumably done drugs or something being out an unholy that sounds like my high school, the tribulation trail things were squarely aimed at abortion were yes once it has added theirs. The final act where some When saying well, you could have repented YAP and then there's the crew of people at the end of the thing, that's my least favoured part. I try to skip the talk after I,

therefore the show how yeah give Gimme the action so little little bit a light, hearted their yard Agnes there for everybody Jesse, hardly a light, hearted hell. We do want to see before we continue that Le Monica here is speed. Seen in a very casual disaffected in calm way. He doesn't he's not. You know, Blake on the edge death is here is not shook it is not necessarily worried that he's about to get arrested. Well, the least that, Sir, what what the reporting says raised me of their the character. From said no spoilers for seven, we turned himself very matter of fact, we speak to the authorities They were it's like this guy doesn't care what happens to visas, detector, dad TAT. I guess you know that exist in fat accurate here he had a plan. He was working on. You know what I mean by Le Monde,

apparently had some kind of plan because he confesses this in more without any prompting right, and he goes into detail. I says even having sex lilies too young boys from the time they were four years old until they were twelve or thirteen he named names, including Christopher Lubotshka. He was twenty four, a deputy share give it to me map. I call it tangible, tangible, politically, we ve been colleague, tangible, tangible who ended up. Look we're wheedle, riotous right in. Let us now, I fear, from T t town to perish. Let us now to print, he implicated, this person Christopher the, but who was eight law enforcement officials who apparently for a while lived on the church grounds and was a co consent

according to the Monica, is very eagerly even handed testimony here. He said that they had abuse boys and girls between the age of one in sixteen taught them to have sexual relations with each other, as well as with the canine. He said he had drunk cats blood, they poured over the bodies of victim. Some of them were his biological children, and it goes into very very disturbing graphic detail. We found an excerpt from the daily mail reporting on this. This is the kind of stuff daily mail likes to report on, and they are rightly not seeing as the best of all possible sources. This is mainly to give everyone, a sense of what kind of stuff was being reported here. Le Monica describes What are the rituals that allegedly occurs? He says they would start off like a church,

nervous, but it was satanic music. There were candles burning, dark red candle holders and the dedication of baby a public, as the kids name is, is you know, kept out of public registers, the dedication, baby, ay and deceit and with his pentagram she was put the middle and a black dress describe, describes panting around the child was barely one years old at the time before killing a cat training, its blood drinking it. They said they didn't make the child drink the cap la cause. She was too young, so instead they sprinkle the blood. Over her and Monica said these meetings took place once every two or three months and we we should state here that, according to the daily mail that child that is being described there is the baby of Nicole Bernard the person that we heard about again, who can blow the whistle on this whole thing, and then he goes into detail about how they would pursue the sexual

abuse you just callback, real quick to our black metal episode. This is what you would consider theistic Satanism right, where it's like worshipping Satan Lucifer, as aid Eddie in the way you would worship any other god, and I think I a booby in the air and the Deaf metal episode well observer. I said something about how you know equated paganism Satanism. I know that's not the case, but there is something called dark, paganism or the left hand path or the idea of black magic rituals or occultism. That is, can be folded into the idea, theistic Satanism. So back to the description of these, what Le Monica describes as these

sexual abuse rituals? Now they carried a rap. You can find the details on line. If, if you must, if you need to know, but it is disturbing it is, I would do not use this word lightly. It is unclean and it is not something that we we off affair decided not to present this in graphic detail on air. Both out of respect for the victims are respect for everyone's sanity and the fact that, if you want to know you can find it, but he walked into the sheriff's office and he lead this out. You know he had a disgusting evil TED talk of sorts. He claimed that they lead feces urine around while the stuff was happening, and then he ted during release date. N rituals, who would become quote distorted by the Devil demons, would change

to an animal, a snake, a fox, a wolf spiders like you said no, he named all of his accomplices and it was your men and women involved, naming yes absolutely minimal. And later interviews with victims, appeared to confirm the veracity of his account and romantic said the started ninety ninety nine stopped in two thousand three but law enforcement officials like Edwards, believe it probably can can you d members homes for some unknown period of time after the church, shuddered its doors, Stewart listeners, you'll notice that we ve been using the word claim, or allegedly pretty often, viruses single person stated this: what we're gonna do after the short break is look at the evidence of what can be proven to have. This was going to go to court and you had to have some kind of material evidence. What would it be ended

maybe surprising, to you tool will see right after this hey guys, it's Jack, O Brien, CO, founder of crack dot com and I hope a twice daily news and culture podcast with the funniest person. I know mile gray, what an it. What an owner always tell you, how much more about how Larry SAM don't tell them about my background in politics as a political operative or anything like that, just keep going on about the fun I wasn't going to a guy. That's guys you can come get caught up on what is happening without feeling the life train out of your soul. At the dailies, Ike Iced, you find us the Iheart, radio, app apple pie, gas or wherever fine particles are given away for free for that so how much of it is true yeah I mean you know it's it's all here say honestly. This point I mean there's some

aberration, there's some similarities between these stories, but inside the closed youth hall, behind the sanctuary there we ve been talking about. The cops, did find a faint imprint of some programmes drawn the floor that someone had tried to scrub. They seized computers, as well as dozens of video tapes and hundreds of computer discs and eight boxes of documents and photographs, a deputy sheriff, and they were Charles Reed, said that included. Videos of morality plays performed to confuse the victims. In some cases there under educated, Sadly, this is there's a lot of playing on people's fears and perhaps ignorance, yeah will look it's it's a problem. Authority right. We trust certain people who, where certain clothes, because there in certain rules right, we ve, talked about that, allow before them on the show and

If you ve got someone with authority explaining to you why this is Right- and this is good, Unless you have the ammunition to back up, you know either. Softly or morally or whatever, that this is wrong, then you may be easily manipulated, yeah yeah, it's it's true, and we want to emphasise again that the were unusual reports. Initial reports seem to change in the immediate aftermath. Nine people were arrested on charges of sexual abuse, cruelty to animals. These related things including the original person who called from Ohio, Nicole Bernard, so Louis Lamar Junior Austin Tribune or the Third Alan our Pearson, his wife, Patricia Pearson Robin Monica Paul thought. No, and then Louis Mowbray it will become more important. Is the story continues its interest? The Charles read that that I investigated the deputy sheriff said that, based on

interrogations of some of these folks. It wasn't super clear whether each we believed they were worshipping the devil or whether this was just kind of an excuse to participate in pedophilia, rampant pedophilia right exactly- and this is where we run into some contradicting narratives different takes, so writing form they called theistic Satanism dot com in two thousand six Diana Vera notes. The initial accusations seem too put the narrow in scope over the course of the investigation, so he said that there were allegedly more than twenty children were victimized by the circle, but by the end of July, two thousand and five, the number of alleged victims have been whittled down to three.

Per Vera's writing and the prosecutors decided eventually, after a certain hearing to drop any claims involving Satanism or occultism, and this was victims of abuse. Child abuse. Right, not data, have bodies there, there's no evidence of a dna of murder and rights rights right. That's another! That's another thing that the Diana Vera very brings up. She says: there's not physical evidence that the children into were that all these children, indoor displeasure use, yeah, yeah, tortures, good, good, especially special, when considering something like an infant. Nobody on so these charges still included the abuse. But their theories alleged. This was a different sort of conspiracy, less a case of satanic abuse and more a case of brainwashing that it was Louis Mowbray, not tray Bernard who was the ringleader, and this is where

found an interesting tail from religion, news blog, yes, and it states that in two thousand, eight La Mancha Junior that serve the again how should we ve been talking about this whole time? Islamic junior? He told a jury there in the parish, where were the church, was that confession was in fact false, and for everything that he was confessing, including the abuse of children, because in his mind The only way, listen to this to get his wife back and yet his children by now that sounds and say it sounds insane, but it all get stranger. Because then his attorney comes through Guinean Michael feel or tile teal. He.

He maintains that this guy, multiple Amerika Junior, actually did falsely confess to this rape, because in his mind, or at least in his. What his belief is attorney is that this guy, was being controlled by someone by a woman who was who believed herself to be a prophet of God and that low Monica Junior then believed that she was also the profit or a profit, God, so it was, it was a cold just operating on a different level, then maybe we fought right. Least according to their religion. Newswire way, so it was There was not a satanic at all. It was worshipping, some sort of false prophets, God like deity wheels within wheels. The idea here is essentially that Louis Mowbray, the prophet, had created this

satanic abuse narrative as a way of controlling the congregants. So she took control of the church around two thousand and three apparently but had been in charge in all, but name for a while beforehand. Your leg It started with all the people that this profit mouth, real array control over was was the wife of, ass to right. Right, that's correct and I mean so like it started in his own home. Basically, at least according to the story for a while, the Monica said he had to wear address into rubber snakes representing his mother and his thoughts, because they were quote Pharaoh's visit testimony in court. He said church member once shaved his head and call them Pharaoh's? Well, he said that referring to Louis now boy he said she commenced,

she was like Moses Intangible, who was coming out of Egypt Le Monica said, referring to the biblical story about Moses, leading people away from slavery in Egypt that Pharaoh was blocking the way. Thus he was Pharaoh with a little bit of performance art and they had to get him out of their rights and in this environment. The why of La Mancha Bernard. According to this theory, real eyes that they needed to take custody of their children and free the way from our bright led, tangible horror to spiritual fulfilment by May a story of satanic ritual abuse perpetrated by their husbands, and then the Monica said he was told that he had to write down all these dirty thought seems like forced to do this by

the church leadership- and this was a fictional diary of abuse. But then he was told that having a simple thought is as bad as committing a simple act. The only way that he would be able to seize kids again is, if you got back on the right path, feeling we could get back on. The right path was going to the police station in confessing to things that never happened. That is that is one of the theory surname It adds up in the most bonkers way possible, both of America's sons later recanted their claims of abuse, because they said member. He specifically said that he would he had been abusing, what I mean, I guess we do have the evidence that it had been scrubbed the crime scene. You know that yeah, I'm just saying like you know it may be. That could account for any lack of physical evidence, but didn't seem like it was the most let's say much article outfit

kind of economy and lying- I noticed super airtight case- that's what not as mean in terms of like I don't no that they would have been able to lay strike every possible scrap of evidence. Vaccine, as you know, it seems like it may be, would have acted in a panic or in out of desperation, but it doesn't seem like it was the most organised or evil genius kind of situation right, my god, I don't know if I buy that, will you ve also got the pastor. The guy, who is you know in the beginning of a story, allegedly walking in or we have an account of him walking into the police station confessing all this stuff. If he knew he was going to do that, then ostensibly, you could get rid of all the evidence prior to walking into that sheriff's office right how many weird things going on here. So talk about how maybe this actually connects up to the show. We measure the top true detective like

There were one of the similarities here, Sir Pitt Alot of his command said like this is my inspiration for writing this he has said in interviews. He said you know you. Can Google Church Crime Louisiana you'll, be surprised what you find, so he is where and set it to do so. Agree, and this, of course, doesn't follow. The plot of the true detective called one to one this. It does seem clear, though, There's you said Matthew Detective season. One was inspired in part by events alleged to have taken place at the Rosanna Church, and we know in real life out the Hosanna church. Something definitely happened now. The question remains how much of the actual real life stories. True from what we can tell the current evidence indicates three possibilities, one Genuine genuinely was a dick satanic abuse ring in play and maybe not everybody believed it. Maybe they were just some, as he said, predators who were taking the trap

means finding an easy way to get what they actually wanted to the abuse narrative. Created by Mowbray as a way to threatening control members of those Anna Community and then three some fuzzy version of events did occur, but then later became exam, Read it and then people several people involved had their self defence mechanism. Turned on where then the story just becomes muddled, because people are trying to save themselves and the thing here too, we say brain. Why should we, through the term around We know, memories treacherous and that's why things like hypnotic regression don't bear out in a lot of, and, alas, scientifically controlled studies, so peoples

memories of things started to change, and then the opinion of law enforcement started change according to a detective for the attention of the whole parish. Sheriffs was a tough one, MIKE De Philips, there was no physical evidence of the occult, such as paragraphs drawn on the floor or spellbound they were never found, which is strange because initial reporting said they were after the hearing where two philips relate this information, Prosecutors said only thing: we're going to drop mentions of the occult from this case and then going back to religion, news blog. The case is mostly based on statements made by three children, one girl and two boys. Who repeatedly were assaulted or forced to engage in sex acts of at least twice a week from two thousand to two thousand one. It was in a church and at a home of three of its members. That's according to two philips. He says there is at least one other victim who is not

Engine court he also noted detect, has found no physical evidence of abuse, except for some fluids on bed. And that there were no actual video tapes ever found. So in this one statement in this inner change, he is denying all the other stuff that initially came up with did all those items they found boxes of Jackson, tapes with their morale plays on them is recanting. Now what do like this said? It did happen. It doesn't exist. That's according to him, ass, wild. So here's where we can attire back right so think about the true detective series. You do have a that old, dilapidated church rate. This broken down. You ve got that school. That separate in this case, rather than being attached to the church facility. Then you ve got that larger conspiracy here right, where its first. People hearing. This would think will maybe develops and This is not. True statement. This is a statement of opinion, some

Listening may think: well, maybe it's being covered up right when you hearing there's don't Those videotapes don't exist, those ones and allegedly had the stuff on there for brainwashing writer. Maybe they just found videos that. Where mundane that didn't have anything. Maybe They did, but you know people here that seamen there. No videos, don't short worry about early leaving The idea of morality plays in that's more along the lines of the stuff we're talking about earlier right. Those scared straight gonna, stuff stuff. Like that, I not satanic ritual sacrifice. We are in the big so far stretch from so form for me personally, it's less about is the is this in some way a culture involved with city and rituals? Or is this a child? Sex exploitation ring right up. Will that are involved beyond just the ones who are accused

Well, maybe I'm sorry for the victim of a mean redundant, but that is a big part of true detective. As a lot of this attack, trappings were just that I was sort of smokescreen. It was like a subterfuge to draw attention away from the fact that it was actually was almost a red herring right. Let me do you know was it was she was part of the ritual eyes, sex abuse didn't really seem like these members were in it for much more than flexing some weird power thing you know and and getting what they want, which in this case was young children You know, I mean it's a date in every year, in the show is what I'm saying NEA any case in this real life example, there were ostensibly you'll children affected by this. Perhaps more than we know or that officially got to have their day in court or at least be represented in some way, and it's really horrible and Georgia's putting this out here, because we have had

We ve done several episodes. Now this point where young people, including children, have been abused by adults. I can't even count. The number actually of specific cases that we have discussed this on, at least for I want to say, I think about. Thirdly, as one of the most important things that can occur in reality and were just referred this out there that. If you know of anything like this occurring, do not be afraid to speak out and do not be afraid to seek help, because there are people there help you make sure to talk to your kids, about always being honest with you about their put, nay kind of uncomfortable situation, whether its at school or wherever, not there were trying to launch a witch hunt or anything but assist important to like have that dialogue, because that's honestly how these things fall between the cracks is when there's, no communication. Absolutely if you know of war suspect that a child me

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