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the next thing you're going to eat after you hear this show leftover chinese leftover Chinese left over Turkey for a lot of people, because, as we record today's episode, folks, we're hurtling toward the end of twenty twenty and, as you are hearing this post thanksgiving still get this out away very quickly, pen, Emigrates will have shot up in the United States. People will die I heard a stat today that it was, I think, maybe a third of the Thanksgiving travel from last year, but still like the most traffic airports have seen since the pandemic began their say. a million people a day. So people are PAN super close attention to the experts and that too little troubling yeah I can't remember, which show I mention this on bites earlier. and some of these same information and one of the one of the most

things is that historically the busiest day for airports every year in the? U S is the Sunday after Thanksgiving, so be careful. If you have to travel All of this is not a conspiracy, in fact, we predicted a pandemic in earlier episodes, not because we're some sort of clairvoyant, Sir pre colleagues or something just big, is statistically. It was a certainty today, Matt, no mission, control and yours truly are exploring something. A little bit lighter misses the last asked episode. We recording before we go to a thanksgiving break stuff there much. No is often a pretty heavy meal of ugly. Ruth said we hope worthwhile intervention, but, as we had parts are known this weekend? What what we'd like to do

This episode is as offer more spoon or something like a series of top. You know what I mean is a a grab bag, if you will of some of our favorite food related, conspiracies and urban legends long. Listeners. You know that we ve we ve covered stuff like this. In the past we just keep buying. More weird things about food. Before we dive, can I can I bust one, may throw quick, you don't need two Brian, your Turkey not take at few people realise that I found out that that what brining Turkey does Lena the salt causes osmosis. So though it the turkey takes in all this water, Atwater anything you can season the brine as well by that gives. The illusion of juicy ness, but the juicy as is not really the juice of the Turkey, it's just water, that's been absorbed into the turkey. while there definitely will give you a juicy or bird, you can get that same effect, just by like,

being a nice butter, garlic rub under the skin and then letting it rest long enough, so that juices actually begin to kind of flow said. That's that's that from Gordon Ramsay to my ears. Terriers just put that out there, that's what I'm doing this year. Hopefully it was actually successful. This is obviously happening in the past. now, but I'm really feeling strong about it. Will you hurry? Everyone do not bring. Your Turkey's Gordon Ramsay says? Oh- and I listened anything that man says honestly, I think he's pretty awesome now these really nice in person. Actually, I that's what I hear from everybody, but why are you know instead hopefully, all of you took your oil near your lot That's of oil, where you're going to fry your turn. put them outside may be on your wooden porch and did it there and hopefully a small percentage of you burn to your porch deaf, hopefully some folks did the beer. Can Turkey recipe that that thing is that's pretty fine, but

euro there's ritual, there's ritual, I think, involved in creating it skin meal, and sometimes that ritual becomes even more important than the and science ray you, you cook the way that some one of your older relatives taught you in that of old and that'll happen again towards the end of the year, because these sorts of traditional meals are very important in human culture, which basically sound a bit like a robot, but I am technically correct. So, let's see what we find in this dive, into the world of food conspiracies and let's see what we can actually prove this we'll Topsy turvy, because we're going start with some terrible things that are absolutely true and then we'll get a fun stuff. So here are the facts. First met of the terrible terrible things you have heard about the about the food you eat about the way it's grown. about the way it's sold transported processed given to you all of those terrible things are true.

out of them I mean nutrition is power. The power balance is skewed, millions of, people, are starving right now, while other people are fighting about the quorum. Right, we d caviar were or Toulon or you don't like that with where's, the good where's, the good coffee Never have special spoon for caviars things. Caviar spoon, yeah I've never had before is a good. The spoon You hear me, I don't think I've ever had caviar before maybe in a dish of fancy dish, never eaten it like on its own decision something you might have tried then do fish eggs in court read it into a sushi dish- counters caviar, I dont believe sub programme that caviar, either very specific kind of half guide. It's a whole thing. I think the emperor has nuclear as far as that goes by brigades, true,

there. There are a lot of inequalities in our food system, and then there are a lot of mine, hyperbolic to see it, but there are a lot of them. Pyrrhic corporations that are heavily influencing the food and beverage industry Ashley I rather like your blessing but erode the there are. There are powerful, companies that are bending the laws to their whim yeah and they had a bunch of, long straws they go underground and they drink our collective milkshakes the big ones is naturally not for nothing. That's their opinion. You can. You can easily look that up Third- and this is another bummer, absolutely true! Plastic boy we got so much. feedback on micro plastics episode, and it is all correct. It is all terrified,

it's everywhere on the lands in the seas on the seas in your body, yeah, yeah legos solely with their. What about food pyramid, guys. That was a thing that was like on posters and urge that parliamentary school classrooms- and you know such as praises suddenly worship pulled to the food pyramid. That's obviously the thing that we still rely heavily upon nor man, at least in terms of a visual aid right yeah It has been for lunch is changed a lot over over the years. yeah, the food period, It is kind of a crock. You know that this is not.

This is not to say that there is a solid science involved, but unfortunately the pyramid was, at least in the past, heavily influenced by the food industry by powerful lobbying groups in that sphere, We can see multiple books that claim that What influence exists today and that these companies exert a lot of a lot of agency in power on the: U S, de ay ay, and especially like no companies get accused of influencing the Department of Agriculture into Europe. Tilting the there were, but if you're interested in learning more about that, I would recommend everybody. If you're in the. U S, go to choose my plate: DOT Gov, which is act in my opinion, a pretty good nutritional guide that set up for personally as for an individual person or family reconnect

You can make your own food pyramid of what you should be eating and where you should be where you could be getting your nutrients. Oh that's great yeah that I have not checked it out before I'm gonna pull that I would also? I would also recommends, checking out a book by Michael Pollen call The omnivores dilemma. The omnivores dilemma is pretty. Well it s very simple diet that is summed up like this eat food, not too much mostly plants, unheard of Iceland eyes, I just like the way it's written spoke so check that out, because we have to consider the source when we look at things like industry influence sites, in any case. So these all bombers right. This is all this all guide: a bad news. We usually take careful time to expire

nor the stories behind those four or five things that we just mentioned, you can learn more. About this. In previous episodes we also done work on the weird sugar cover that occurred in the. U S weave examined stories about chocolate and cocoa and of course, palm oil are you'd, find them previous episodes. But today just to take a break from this very, very crazy year. We thought it would be interesting, delved into some of that that rogues gallery of urban legends about food, although stuff. You her growing up all the things that maybe like that that guy who live, down the hallway from your first apartment, which is sometimes like mutter. You know the wheat, the weird out of the blue stuff people really seem to believe. What are we talking about? We'll tell you afterward from our

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ass, a web. You prefer Europa cares here's where it gets crazy. Yeah I mean you know, is a necessity. Gotta have to survive. Gotta. Have it to get things done, it's something that we have in common with all other humans, despite our many many differences so sure, prize, anyone that we ve evolved a in an incredibly complex and dense dairy, safe. glory kind of system around food, and you know the idea of it being an art form of the idea of representing all kinds of different cultural rituals and various other aspects of life that are kind embodied through the food we eat and the way we propose in the way we eat it. In the way we make it kind of like a factor in community right. So the

world of mass marketed food is inherently conspiratorial, because it's almost like the antithesis. in some ways or it's sort of LE it's easy to look at it as kind of the big bad bread lazy answer to like all the things that are lovely and wonderful about food. So if you, as soon as the United States, a question who is. Is it not somewhat weird that you can eat almost anything it's over their oil or turn right or left in online order lot borderline whenever, whenever the tiny, tiny bride song? I do you have to have the napkin cloth over your head, so they God doesn't see you enjoy yourself, that's literally the process. It is a really good I had a friend who is a very, very adventurous eater and went to I wanted to the Philippines he ate those hundred year old eggs. The pollute

sure, like maybe that's different hundred year old age or different currencies by loot, is like an fertilized or a sigh partially fertilized chicken egg, where it's inside of the hard boiled egg is a little tiny bird fetus and apparently you eat them warm and they it's a tasty. He said it tastes like chicken soup. Nasa was delightful, but the cat. dept of it. Squeaks me out big time. Yeah you eat the you eat the whole thing and I've had it before it's it. I think the main thing that turns people off about it is that appearance. You know this partially devel creature, but it still way better than a century egg. The hundred years that you're, describing we ate Some of that, when we're Facebook show used to do called stack stuff, and that's that that stuff was gross like I did Giddies Lee definition of an acquired taste

most ok have you. Let me just ask you, The question you does seem like adventurous eaters- have, either of you tried tripe before yes in far I've had it in as like actual. ingredient in far, but I've never at haggis. Sir, never really had like well, hang try privacy, I've never really eaten it like on its own. I've had sweetbreads, in quite the same. That's thalamus, if I'm not mistaken, but that's about his adventures of God, in that Barton Ben. You, you get an immediate yes, yes, Castro is in actual intestine. what they had to meteors it. I've- I am a big fan of sauce, I think it's maybe the german parts of me or something at something in my blood very much enjoy he's a pork intestine encased meet him away but this schnitzel year by year, but but the thought of just eating

intestines just alone, no matter how its prepared Croesus me out, and I think it just as I noticed can a deal with the with the balloon, like the thought of. It is much worse than the actual or of the flavor or anything like that couple things? First off? What am I favorite restaurants in the world, for some reason is a place called Saint Giants in the United Kingdom. This if, as a guiding, Fergus Henderson- and he has been credited with Gordon Quote- resurrecting british cooking, this guy cooks with every party animal, especially the stuff that usually considered awful than thrown away, and this comes the it's funny that as bring this up because just a few days ago, I received their newest publication. Thy love is cookbooks actually, and this called this once called the

look of Saint John, and there is an entire chapter on tripe it just a kid. He goes ham with. It would not on purpose, Another great by I wait. I would love to cook it for you guys, sometime, post pandemic will see its good of x. been to the restaurant and it is surprisingly good, but there's some weird stuff there Like I like liver, I like gaming, meets, I, like obviously chicken five years and is in the same thing, is awful, but I had heart hardest. De it's very like hardy. There was absolutely not on purpose, but it has a really is almost like stake. Like a really is like a very muscular piece of meat, I don't find a girl. Did, I think of things that I find grocer things that are square. Our squishy in some ways have an odd texture but yeah. I know it isn't really turned me off. Inherently I'm glad you said squishy has that brings us to the first

big conspiracy. We want to talk about today, right it does. It does justice to this up this report What are they for anybody who, for anybody, like anybody who feels Reclose minded about food or nutrition anybody who has the audacity. the temerity to look at another culture and say: oh, it's gross that you eat that if you're, U s. I would ask you to consider just how strange it is that cheese exist, like cheese is a weird thing. It's so normalized in our minds, which is we think of it as light this nice kind of pale orange block that You can just slice off pieces of and make you know, but should a grilled sandwich with, but the process of it is really strange and if you really dig down deep into it, it's odd concepts like one of these things right who figured that out. There is obviously an accident right leg. Let em the milk colonel and what is it?

raping off the gross gelatinous surface that forms on top and flowing in assessing it further yeah. But it's form of saving food. It was gonna, go bad row. Uranium so meant so much food innovation comes from that need tools to stock up. something when food supplies are limited. Yea just bring that up, because when it comes to cuisine thing that everybody has in common we're all in a glass house or glass restaurant. So I would be very careful when throat stones were looking down. Ones knows add another person's plate, is really should be outdoor seeding by the way it should be. Yes, it should be our towards each other, that you had the perfect Skagway theirs. There's Then we have to talk about that me. ruin one particularly popular appetizer in the who s its way,

our normal. It is to be able to hop online in any major city and get almost any food you virtually any food? Historically, if you live Hunter, Hundreds of miles inland. You should not be able to get seafood right, did there's not a water source from which to take that fish, but now. It is very common to say: hey, let's splurge a little, let's get some calamari, you no enemy. Let's get some pride legalistic wid, loss a lemon on there? You know what I mean. I remember when I first started like encountering. Calamari did feel like a very like special occasion. Kind of dish like it was an. It was exotic feeling: ooze squid, squig ease, squiggly squishy squid, its fried to a delightful golden brown and then dipped in Marineris, sauce or some kind of call it a only perhaps

but yeah, you know the ones you can't go wrong when they're, the ones that have the little tentacles and then did a little heads. That's definitely you're in good shape. There you're in good hands with whomever is serving you those little babies, but the rings is where can go horribly south yeah yeah, you gotta, get Kathy, Lou, Kalama gay you, I love craft aspect. Your column worry because may not always be the squid. You think it is, to some rumors. Least according to some rumours right. This is a part. Episode where we have to say allegedly so, allegedly the Kalama might be something different cough cough. It is often cough really It's happened, man, it's happened. I see, I don't think so. I don't think it's happened. at all costs.

I've got a headache that stands right now, because I did but we'll talk about it first, but I disagree with you what yeah yeah, I'm into it. So back in TWAIN, see. Thirteen. This allegation hits garnered, national attention when it was this directive, an episode of this american life, a fantastic fantastic show in this was sort of conspiratorial the Allegation here was that the column worry that people order in restaurants is sometimes not from squid but from pigs, specifically their relatives, their intestines to mats point I do want to posit Didn't you are. There are the rectum just so cleanly removable, but they would just instantly resemble and also like you get one calamari ring per pig. That's that's! That's a big invest, Bent of livestock is, as all I'm saying is yet more.

I think using the word. Rectum is more for click bade her buzz value. would really just below the intestine itself cut into rings. Yes, that's the thing has been bandied about four for for many years well again to Matt. You may completely disagree This we don't definitively know our we have or have proof of this has happened and on some kind of large scale. We do now that counterfeit seafood absolutely does, whether its Vienna well meaning Miss labeling right or maybe in cooking, perhaps like let it would be less everything. If you went in to a fish market, they were selling you something under the guise of being fresh. Amber and it was actually some other trash fish, that we gotta give you your damn core. What what what is with? What is your your misgivings about this pig but hope phenomenon? Well, Tourism reading about sleep has a great right up on

episode of this american life and that specific segment, the king, from a producer, Ben Calhoun, and literally was a friend of a friend story. That was just retort. essentially it in no way this american life- and you know it up- further, looking at it in really considering it Tallow Marie organ Squid frozen version, of it are widely available. There fairly inexpensive and you can charge a good amount of money for it. So it's one those menu items where. Only only in the most desperate situations, I think, would anyone you know step to trying You get one over on their customers to instead put tripe of some sort, or pig intestines of some sort in in there in the mix, rather than just YO, buying some fairly and expense.

tell him I'm sorry and then selling it at it at a price that they that they could yet That's interesting! I I've I've read the same thing here is how I would responds these kinds stories often get exaggerated? so is there a way. I is very wise spread calamari conspiracy- probably not I grants financially its. It doesn't make much sense and legally according to Uncle SAM anything containing a port product. Has be labelled as such. However, has this happened in isolated, perhaps desperate instances? The answer is quite possibly because as there are numerous blind spots in the supply chain, I would not correct rise. A restaurant may be selling count. They calamari as some sort of devious penny Jeanne institution, I would say, They may have been built as well so

where in the supply chain, because the issue here is that counterfeit see food right there the true conspiracy here counterfeit seafood is a real ongoing thing. No one is lucidly proven a routine practice. Sobbing out squid for the pig intestines, but that lack of oversight is what compels me well to say possible but someone would have to be in a very unique financial arrangements, for this makes sense. But the counterfeit seafood stuff man it goes way deeper than a pig's, but I wanted to bring one up really quickly again that something that yeah you got immature in crab its labelled as imitation crap. I really I'm not quite sure what imitation crab has made up, but you have scallops, for example, scallop sometimes can be cookie cutter punch out of like Stingray or what else shark.

Well, there's there's an interesting report just last year from it it called Oceana and they found that twenty one per cent of the sea food in the. U S is being served so now under what we could call a fake identity. I love mention scallops, nor things like lobster catfish flounder, halibut, a ton of fish are often to be despised. Diplomats Miss labelled and there is also some marketing- and here that's totally legal like Chile in sea bass spared no expense. that was that was the down the meal in Jurassic Park. There Gillian Sea Bass, that's right, building for Chile and Sea Bass is patagonian. Toothfish Yom earns, you can pull up. You can pull picture it, sir? It's it's not gonna win the fish beauty contest,

over the expression. Toothsome yes there is a message that mean you, gotta lotta. Teeth of something is nevertheless texture. To hear that I share a structure, which is something that I find very twosome. Is this imitation crab meet this ones? Trans ocean. This is what my son's favorite snacks. What's a native matter, we had brought it up a minute ago. Why diminish right? That's one brain it to? U? Alaska! Pollack! That's! What's! In this one water, egg, whites cornstarch shook her God, king rob. Meat is in this just little due to dash two percent or less of king grab me worse, woe or blue crap meet extracts or lobster for find fish. Oh Jesus. Oh this is like a choose. Your own adventure ingredient mean this to my son. He loves it. You

know what your fee and each time it could be crab could be lobster. Now, God, professor, well, you know, honestly, there are some dishes in which, with which I prefer to use imitation crab I was not aware of them. Thank you for bringing that our attention. I don't think I've seen ingredient list that goes down into an either or situation. I didn't Oh, that was legal It does seem a little fishing. You know I was wrong with the or their couple wars, but though I put in a few support soup, Lilla Sir, and put into many machine has less than a month ago. Somebody over this bag work goes bad, Rebecca,

I think we're rapt on seafood there, and that was a great way to do it by just what had to bring this up cuz. I don't think it's anywhere else in the outline. If we're talking about imitation stuff, we would be remiss if we didn't mention the Aldi horse. Meat kerfuffle of of recent years requirement rheumatic you're just a couple years ago. Thirteen twenty thirteen the case a few more than a rhythm than recent, but the chain of the German in origin, supermarkets already conducted test on some of their ready made beef. dishes, you know frozen things and it was from a supplier named com gal and test revealed that thirty two, a hundred per cent of these beef products, were actually horse meet no and they withdrew them, and this is a thing can be confirmed. This actually happened is not a good theory, I think Ben you we talked about this. You have interesting takes on horse me. There's some

in countries where you ve been to where it is pretty readily available, and I believe tried, it didn't think it was. Tibet Luton know about it, but not as you want to know what you want to know, I do. I don't think anybody is looking back. Thirdly, on twenty thirteen. As that time I got tricked into eating horse meet this also, all they got the most press for the but that supplier you mention I was supplying, sir, other companies in Sweden and I want to save France. The counterfeiting problem in food is a multi layered conspiracy and eight occurs. All the time I'm all around us. In fact, by the way, oh wow, You're, probably gonna, see more of it in less unless there is some pretty robust legislation down the pike. Oh as

maritime ecosystems collapse. You know, you're gonna, see more more confusing seafood. how to add this last thing and then I'm I'm done this, the the dishes in question, in order to be fair, were called today's special rose and beef was on Europe and today's special from and spaghetti Balinese you now it was special beef, a k speak and an especially Juno, given that can sue mean that type of flesh is taboo in the west this ceiling on yeah? This is not like finding out here that you were, you ordered chicken and you gotta doc. You I mean these very different things at sorry, sir of almost the equivalent of like being

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a concept, that's pretty common in the: U S, prison system right will say, hey those after giving you to drink may be maybe like right, during you sexually dysfunctional for a time, without the very far extreme is that this will somehow permanently sterilize a person, and it makes sense that these two ideas. We come from places with a large male population right. That that has the living close quarters, which is kind of a natural for people. The thing is: there's not any proof of this. If you have proof from maybe your time in the armed forces or something than we were love to hear it, but have you guys ever heard of this theory? Well I mean not intentional, like I wasn't there a thing where certain dyes maybe would render people sterile or or we're not promote proper growth of reproductive cell.

like two yellow number, five and things like that, or did I make that their Durban room about various food additives, food colors in a couple other things. stabilizers we talked about was we talked about a little while ago. That was in mountain dew has a long time ago is two thousand, and fourteen movie talked about that, but it's the a flame retardant, chemical or something that exists within a lot of citrus beverages that causes that cloudy look o brought up Ro Bright brominated? Yes, something that's loyal! Yes, exactly that RO brominated vegetable oils is what I recall it being yeah, emulsifier citrus flavoured soft drinks. very there's, a lot of issue with that, but been a deer Your question, I don't know anything about some kind of larger concerned.

see too. You know sterilize people through some kind of drink or substance like that. Yeah it's easy of its kind. subject. Road that bears has something in common with the, in the belief that substance acts is added to A common resource like water right for some nefarious purpose would similar to say is similar to the older fluoridation stories of fluoride is added the water. That part is true, but with this there There are some weird questions right. There is some holes in this concept first one being how, Do you regulate a dosage? That's the same it you run into with the floor. I theories and other related ones, but Scary thing about this is that it doesn't come from nowhere

right. It has a past and a precedent because theory, in speculation regarding population control in the United States are firmly rooted an uncle SAM's, very real and very disturbing practice of eugenics like the government of the United States actively did sterilize people multiple times and it's weird that it doesn't get mentioned as often as it should have Egypt. We talk about a couple. Couple, a different episodes on, for various reasons, just the terrible history that the United States has with eugenics and how it actually appears to have in certain regime out in Germany, rights right, it might surprisal O allow our? U S, listeners to know the first eugenics based com

all three sterilization law in human history, was it was passed here in the? U S, Indiana in nineteen o seven made humanity's first law of this sort and other people just copy Deanna Virginia Sterilization ACT. Nineteen, twenty four call for peace in mental institutions to be sterilised against their will. similarly throughout all those really. You offensive terms for people with low. I q scraggy LAB business another one of those things and rumours that as your saying it, feels true, because if you think about a prison population, let us take that as a as sample there would be motive for the you run the prison to keep the inmates, the population as calm as possible right? They would have. They were

be motivation for that work for that desire and You could achieve that by applying some. What was it extra ingredient, to you know. Whatever food supplier or drink supply that you ve got providing for, they are providing for them, you it would be, it would be easily achieved. However, you know I don't have any proof. I don't think we have any proof to show then it's happening at at even one particular prison. Something like that, but it definitely feels real yeah. That's that's the thing so, we couldn't find any solid confirmation about this. Is this is very common of the ingredients legally care. A lot in these theories is saltpetre. Some will say that Sole Peters, aid to maybe not just the the water but the food as well. There are also you'll hear this employs schools, and the idea is that,

It diminishes the sex drive to your point, Matt, to make the population somewhat more sedate uneasy to control are you saying I can take saltpetre to lower my sex drive potassium tree, but the problem here is no. I'm not saying that, because his work, ok it doesn't work. I just sounds intelligent in conversation took you know, I am because you can find I saw Peter in a tonic stuff. It's you the preserve in food and color tat? It's it's an agent of cod, Retention in things like bake in corn, beef ham, hot dogs, hate, maybe even sausages, but it's also nice ice, so this one we can say is so far as we can tell is not true

But it is based in some very real, very disturbing truths and those are beautiful, there's an argument you can make that the oral tradition of this Spirit oral story is is kind of our culture, recounting the terrible things that occurred in the past, but Now they we know you're waiting for this folks. Yes, we are going like about some of those wild fast food ideas? Fast food itself is kind of a conspiracy right, there's no within a global supply chain like this. Ever you probably heard rivers that the make read before Mcdonald's is so popular that it, like use the world pork market, we probably as we are found

good experiences in your old life- is that why they only bring it back season only ban because they don't want to totally up in the pork supply, yeah, yeah, cows and chickens, we're good all year, that's line, but the pigs You got to let him be for a while. I got to wonder how much actual pork is in that Mcrib. To I mean, like I decide what I'm not. I have no proof or answer this. that is, for some reason, have a feeling that gets a pork composite gonna situation. Oh for sure, yet the ears, here's the thing You can find some work on this by economists who are usually arguing that there isn't there in a super strong correlation between the MIC Rib import prices. In terms of like a causative relations, right there and there were not saying most. Economists will argue that the MIC rib itself,

doesn't seem to be swinging, the needle on global pork supplies, but maybe there's another really, maybe there's a different relationship. Maybe Mcdonald's is following the curve right. So maybe, when pork prices drop to have some threshold than they say, okay, it makes sense for us to make the Mcrib again that makes so much that I mean the lights and more sense idea that Ronald Mcdonald is somewhere steepling his clown fingers and saying it's time to punish the port. People they'll, learn earliest only read you know what I mean. I don't. I don't think it's quite that long there is somebody in some office that hits the MIC red button, though, and it just color that goes out to every franchisees. Don't move. Is I like the idea of a red phone?

like an old school landline phone with no number, it's just a red phone like the boy phone or Sunday there's one person whose entire job is to every so often just pick up this phone and then say like do it in all across scoop: workable and they do or do they pick up we're Owing to make apple fritters now villainies, they say to save a new thing. Is I love it? How do you get that gig? That sort of like think dipping you're too in the fast food conspiracy kind of thing right, as it sounds ostensibly possible, if not plausible cells possible, but stories. Weird so quickly, guess member that before ninety ninety one KFC to be called Kentucky? Fried chicken Diaz. Remember that here all signs there were just huge would so

many letters, and then they went the way of many brands like that, and you know one or two to simplify. go for a minimalist approach, can see tee, Elsie The implication. Why is that the German? The application in the conspiracy circles, perhaps, is that Chicken no longer was in play, no assistance, the ideas remember when we used to make a show called stuff, they don't want you to know, and then it became studded with the familiar. I do it was a golden day. A pr agency was worth every penny. So yet The idea, then, is that there is some sort of dilution right either. The EL. The tale goes something like this over the years while selling you buckets of chicken cave he was also paying scientist do in seeing experiments on on poultry.

and they were genetically altering these poor unfortunate birds to the point where they weren't they might not even have heads anymore. They might just be somehow some kind of like chicken equivalent of a human centipede right. It's just. They figured out a way to just grow the breasts, the wings and the drumstick. Cetera, and now this could no longer be, as you pointed out, no labelled as chicken whatever they did. They did it. They took it too far. It's not chicken anymore to be fair or foul, her k of sea actually responded to this when the responses a lot of these theories are classic, but imagine you're the pr purse

for K of sea, and you have to say, ok, we still use chicken we're not at the dark for front of evil. Gotta go like genetic experimentation, but there the response to this there come back. Is I don't know it's believable, because they said we did change the name to get rid of some words. The government didn't tell us two weeks: stop what people to hear the word fried yeah, because for quite a while there, and even now the word fried comes- comes with it. on of super unhealthy, like don't eat that ever that's the way, Please do your body don't do that which is it ass, true, but is also not wrong. Certainly at until you, what is one of the worst things you could possibly put your body as the amazing Lee Unhealthy can see menu item the double down. Do you recall this is essential

play. I dont know if it is or not, but it was certainly was around. I was Zeno by for Bali, kind of fiend, menu item that debt substituted, fried chicken paddies for buns, so again we're chickens, Harry's, those were breasts. My friend now and they were added as bacon I I I never. aided. I think they still serve by. I got close one time, It was one of those. Do I dare disturbed the universe moments, glad you're disturbed the sleeping elder beasts slow. Now is redundant, but you get where I'm coming from. Have you guys seen v Lightfoot New Hulu Reboot of the show Anna Maniacs lies. I know you're the first episode, ah it's great and they and the first episode it's all about. They ve been like away

I remember they were exiled something in and they do. This amazing song called the catch up song that all about everything. That's happened since the nineties when the show ended in and then since Now- and it goes through politics- it goes through like Bizarre and drones, and all the things there's a really great were they we don't know, what's gonna happen in the future, because the writers are writing this in twenty eighteen, it's not going to come out till two thousand and twenty, so we'll just use our imagination and there is a amazing verse that goes like this. We have chips our brains, we no longer you'll pay, there are worsening climate disasters. Now we live ground, and we can't make a sound less. We anger, are polar bear masters. We burn birds without arms on our factory farms and we live in aluminum bunkers. We sent humans to Mars, all the food comes in bars and the top rated show is called clunkers and then, It's about a talking police car whose and is also a time machine. While here comes this our clunker? I travel through time following crime. Does

but I just love the factory farms, birds without arms, Leinen in food and bars of that. That was appropriate for this episode. Dago man, Anna maniacs Steven Spielberg made that stuff. You guess Lee still involve the very, very good. That's all somewhere! You know it. You know what you have to do. A lot of a win win you make an animated series. Was that you gotta do care, baby. Well, some kind of upper drink, yeah, yeah, the actual say grey matter. There is a very pop, their chains. Familiar to all our canadian listeners, it's called TIM Hortense of our friends up north will gladly sing the praises of a delicious cup of TIM Hortense com coffee gardens was not a sponsor. This coffee come I've. Actually. Never try to this coffee comes with a free conspiracy, theory of its own, their people who,

seemed to refer to some degree believe that TIM Whartons was spiking its coffee with something else, and people were becoming physiologically addicted to not the caffeine necessarily, but whatever that ingredient Ex was referred to collectively as crank, they will said that they thought, like the popular theory, was that Morton was adding nicotine to the coffee and tea. we're getting addicted to nicotine any realize it because they were, they thought they just really I have my morning cup of coffee, which probably already do if you are into Cathy, I'm drinking my second cup of coffee right now, I dont know if there's Getting in it, this episode of suffering, one she knows brought you buy iced coffee, home, brood or otherwise, it will keep us going and then again

our manager for two importance had to respond to this, which is a fine response. This I liked way. Michel Roby Show, put this. She says there is in fact nothing added to her coffee. We believe our guest are addicted, consistency, sir. pr burn, really put those concerned seafarers in their place yeah, but this is the only time we ve heard about this. There are there other instances in the past. Mcdonald's, for example, was accused of. adding nicotine to hamburgers damning its nicotine. is the addictive thing like you, wanna get addicted to something. Try. Nicotine you'll get their real fast, so that that is one of the. I guess they go

is the go to chemical. When it comes to you something feeling like its overly addictive or more addictive, then you expected it to me right right, has also nicotine is legal, it's, not as if the accusation Now somebody was a pudding Obiang Lloyd's in food wooden make, as much said says, seems like a lot of risk for very weird gamble that you can see already that a lot of this stuff upon further examination me have a grain of truth as its cornerstone, its foundation, but things get carried away pretty quickly we wanted to give you one and one very real one which may not have heard of, but it's called shrink flee. Have you ever noticed a we're doing a lot of anti Rooney like area, however, but have you

renewed, is a sudden change in the packaging of your favorite. Food like that. Do you go to buy some Cyril All that you loved during childhood. Out of Tal Journey, say: hey whoa. This boxes her his boxes, weirdly small you're, not crazy. It's not the Mandela that you are experiencing shrink fallacious, just the other day. Really I bought a box a lucky charms out of that exact impulse, you're describing pure nostalgia, but honestly, it's one of those things words like do. We really want a giant bag cram. full of sugary marshmallows morsels. Or would I be do myself a favour by having a half filled bag? I would go with the latter personally, but It is a phenomenon that we ve seen over time idea, shrink flirtation yeah, it's a kind of inflation rate, but it works because of

way that human beings encounter a product. It doesn't just applied a food and beverage, but it's pretty common in those respective industry, The the idea is that you can slowly reduce the size or amount of a product while maintaining its sticker price, because thing consumers will notice immediately when their buying something is not necessarily the change in what they are buying, but they will not The change in the product price, which is why I like moot, that's the number most people, Attention to you might shop at some grocery store where they have the full price of something like links for ninety, nine or whatever, and then they have broken down to cost per out, but very few people actually read that part. they just see for ninety nine or five, ninety nine or three. Ninety nine. Makes a huge impact on whether or not they buy that thing. There's a

gives the label looks familiar. This is what I always get its the same price or maybe a little bit more sense or a little bit cheaper. I'm good and in manufacturers realized Do this thing skin just a little bit of taste more little bit more retain the same price. It doesn't happen overnight. You can see it in things like the Indy, tations at the bottom of cups that that that little half sphere, that just gets bigger and bigger I? U can also see it in boxes. Like your experience of liking, charms just a meal, orange juice, orange juice, I went and what's the just there or like? If you remember, is anyone familiar with a gallon of orange juice or milk or something you just a full gallon was very common or a half gallon, at least here in the? U S, that's how you would for a long time.

the kid that are used by orange juice and then you a lot of these other companies creating new new Orange Drinks or Orange orange juice products, like we ve talked about simply simply orange, I think, is one of the major ones. The packaging became very differ their these specialised bottles in those bottles. Over time began to get smaller and smaller, but it was the same type of bottle, but they would get smaller and smaller, and it's got into the point now, where several brands I have seen actually say you know still one gallon were still still have many fluid ounces, or still you know this many millilitres aid. It's really interesting! because it's become a marketing tool, Just to say, hey we're not doing the shrinking over here. Will you still could you could just safely? can say still sixty four ounces and the next year you could say still fifty two ounces,

Have you guys ever notice? Those like indentations on the side of gallons of milk or orange juice is like a big circle. That's an invitation it things real see these liked silly kind of life hacker. Whatever lay you bet, you know this about thing that you ve noticed every day of your life or there is actually a story behind it. The initial version of that I saw was that button will pop out if the milk has gone bad producing more gases and that button will like pop outward. But the real reason is it allows The milk de Gallantry lacks a little more so it doesn't hold this rigid shapes of what happens to fall off a truck or get dropped. It won't just explode gives it a little more give because that button is is flexing outward be now as opposed to it being rigid walls container brilliant me that just seems a good product. Does it really engineering baby? I am fascinated by the concept

of it. You know you see all this clever packaging that works like like you to be you ever. perfect example: their knowledge, it's what seems to be very simple solution, but the holy smoke that scan be a game changer for the dairy industry, and maybe that's where? Maybe that's where in just on a slightly more sinister no packaging, we talk little bit about it will shrink violation, which is very, very real weed to hear your favorite or most infamous examples of shrink relation. But let's talk bit about packaging. What happens? What happens to all that stuff? You o o yeah, that's it that's a great thing to bring up by the way. If you wanna talk about packaging and intelligent design. Somebody came up a long time ago in with the pouch, the food

ouch, the food product pouch now and you say, intelligent design. Are you referring to the notion that God is in control of our destinies? Yes, ideally of some sort designed these things. Yes, these things pouches of food, twisty top. I love those well anyway, that is ever had a child or is just a fan of you, know, fruits and vegetables that our period down into this consistency. That can into a bag like this, I mean really is a brilliant thing, because There is not a time to this, its super simple and you can put anything in there and the problem is instead of you know say back in the day. This is old men Matt talking back They were used to get our applesauce it. A big glass jar and nudes pointed out and ate it individually, like that. It was delayed,

but now at a little serving comes in something like this when, like minute now when you're eating applesauce or something like that or comes in one of these little individual. I apologize to anyone just This will. This is obviously going to be. The huge club was made a note of If you don't mind, this is gonna, be those that show Intel portion of the pot, guess I'm holding up just one of these individual little plastic cups filled with this one I think, has peaches anybody would be like applesauce or something, and every time you soon, one of those all that becomes trash, and even if you are recycling it. We ve talked about the pitfalls of recycling. It is probably end up in a landfill somewhere or in an ocean somewhere and think right now, going through the times of covert in twenty twenty. Just how much take away you're getting how much carry out you're getting in all of the just the stuff that you end up through the way. Every time you eat a meal like that, it's whore

I know my family we're. We counted up the number of plastic Minos, low packages of plastic, for sincere plastic. Where that you air, we actually saved them over the course of a month, and we too frequently get take away In just looking at it in quantifying in that way was a horrifying site together. It's also like something you would maybe potentially by four like picnic. Surfer lie you no more Loki gas situations where you may be dont want after wash dishes. So those if you, if you take a little bit of care with those kinds of profit, and you you you stockpile them, they can be useful and it's not always it's gonna be waste eventually, but I am annoyed when, when those things are provided when you they're not asked for it's a? U million like this and all the app those who is always ass back in how many of these have you thrown away? Sorry, I always keep.

With the intent of using them. But then am I already have a giant bottle of soy sauce. What am I going to do with this little tiny, single serving of soil us? You know I but then I never use them and then eventually purged them yeah I am sorry uttering and be a big downriver thy now he's just these are things we should think about back to our plastics discussion at the very top of the show. These are. wouldn't things and Ben Damon Micro Plastics right, wouldn't be a thing that you need to consider when it comes to forks and when comes to soy, sauce packets, overtime, wouldn't those packages degrade and potentially cause you to ingest those micro plastics, absolutely yeah yeah. Unfortunately, this has been proven. We just don't know me extent of the long term consequences now, packaging is packaging. Is

huge deal. There are companies that will use which called biodegradable packaging or sell you stuffing glass bottles which is cool. Could you have a useful container at the end of the day, but the fact of the matter is plastic checks, all the boxes for a durable thing that is, cost effective, that ensure inflation or two very real conspiracies one last shout out I know everybody's be worried about this, for the entire hierarchy of today's episode. We can confirm that our backs, This house has denied their tie their alleged ties with the Illuminati God, so everybody relax, we gotta do we can equal- or you know, get more in your toes because there talked about it. So I mean- and that was in twenty nineteen, so who knows, I'll think juries out when it comes to the outback Illuminati

This is this is a real story. We don't have to it's time to get to do it by a while back someone on Twitter did. It did a conspiracy map and they mapped out local. shut up out back steakhouses in Arizona, Georgia, Illinois couple other places and they said look at this these all. If you look at the arrangement here, this forms a painter Graham, is out Backstreet House a front for a say. Ten colt thou back stake out said it another great pr statement. Outback stake house said they have no lake world conquering plans other than to bring bold stakes and bloom and onions to our guest. Don't ever eat the bloom onion. Why? Sir? It's

it's got an insane amount of calories. I owe you search for sharing mad for sharing. Oh no, it's not it's for personal consumption. I know this for a fact of I've been there. You blew so so that that's that showed today we covered a lot of things. We hope that you enjoyed it and Australia listeners. I've always wondered what What do you all in Australia? Think of Outback state House? Is it a virtue, it like high, is it like too much of a caricature God under it, and then there's what fosters strolling forbear? Here's my question: do they have outback steakhouses in Australia. I think yeah figure is it. There is one in Australia, but you know we can talk too much trash about, because here in the U S, we have a mirror in Delhi we do. There are everywhere. So that's our show, folks, we hope

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