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later episode that we ve got something pretty interesting for you today ass, yet very merry out there listening. This is something that I am just learning about of benefits. Had seen this before in whispers on the internet and in books. But it's it's a fascinating happening that occur way back in the eighteen, hundreds that may be an encounter with another species and other civilization right. You ve heard of this before we have often over the course of the show explored aliens and inexplicable history. Are we found numerous examples of weird, weird stuff allegations of loss, technology, entire lost civilizations and of

worse at some point. What's a guy's name, George slew coast, sucralose yellows that entails they had some point aliens, extraterrestrials or allegations thereof. We do want to point out that we in the world at large has found no universally agreed, solid proof of any sort of alien encounter. That aspect begrudgingly true, but we have seen some incredibly strange stuff, none the less and as much as me humanity to admit this. We may well never knew the full story behind some historical accounts and vets adds true. Both a lot of times written down once by one person and we can find that. But that's all we have to go on end we do know that at various times called unquote historical accounts have been act, all suddenly biased written with some. So strange agenda in mind or

entirely made up passed off as the real thing tat to make make the limbs of some king or some yo could be monarchy. It could just a government could be a single influential person a increasingly it could be a corporation. Oh right, what happens when they read the text books they know it episode, perhaps for another day. But we point this out because we want to thank all of the historians in the audience. You are probably, as we speak, going nuts over figuring out some detail that other people have overlooked misinterpret in more even purposefully, Miss characterized and you are historians out there who are just scouring the web on your own time. The work you do is important and you know nobody else is doing it. So thank you,

right and history. Our understanding of history is nowhere near as clear cut and concrete, as some people would have us believe, and then also you know, this sort of confusion persist in the modern day, we're not so different from the earlier again bowls of our species, so today were looking at one such a counter. Strange historical account will call it the legend of the wood Suru Bunni and before we dive in here. We want to be crystal clear with this You dont, speak Japanese. I am unaware if I do. Hence, I will also be surprised if I start speaking: japanese we're safe this because we do want to be respectful to different cultures, and if there are any,

Miss pronunciations were Miss characterized Americanism sweep in in regards or accents. Then we hope that it still close enough to get there yeah and let us know if we do make any mistakes like that you can reach us Jonathan DOT, Strickland at how stuff works dotcom. We we welcome all feedback. Our complete department is open twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, so we're diving, or better yet were floating ashore to Japan and the dawn of the nineteenth century. Our story is called, we settled, top Latour Abou, nay, but you may also see it some, whereas with zero funny with an f or Buena kind of putting them together, and it refers to this object, a ship of sorts that allegedly washed ashore in aid

keen, zero three eighteen o three in Hitachi Province on it s on the eastern coast of Japan, in its located mere, where modern day Tokyo is not quite but near there, which we will. We will explore that part of the story and a little bit further depth. Accounts of this tale appear in multiple tax. Three of the most popular examples are also from the early to need nineteenth century, so there's one called the towing show set to which translates to tales from the rabbit garden published in eighteen, twenty five. This has the most detailed account or detailed anecdote and their similar stories dissimilar enough that we pretty much know their retelling of the same thing from

They were called diaries stories of castaways in eighteen, thirty, five and dust of the Africa in eighteen, forty, four zero. What happens? Well all immediately re area. The point on the top has even talking about history and things being right, written down we're twenty two years ever be recording of this is twenty two years after the alleged event right, which is already a little suspects, but perhaps it was. It was more of a story told by word of mouth. That kind of thing sure wasn't necessarily recorded in any history. This happening, but just keep in mind as we go through here right right right. So, according to the legend of wood, sorrow bunni, there was this young woman. She was attractive. She arrives on a beach aboard this thing that they referred to as

follow ship because they had new words to describe this thing. Yet an error. There are local fishermen who who brought her in they wanted to know what the what the Hell's going on here and they found that she was unable to communicate with these guys, because she spoke some other language that there Familiar with and the fishermen ended up returning her to this ship, this hollow ship that they found her in and then he pushed back out to sea and accordingly legend, it drifted away. That's the gist in sound like there are a couple of are the other some styling on it. Yes, excellent summation met. We can already tell it sounds like there are few things that have been closed over it. Story, o furs, sure that's definitely the crib notes version when you see ran down like

and we have some images here of the ship, or do you want to get in that now? Where we come back to that later islets, yet we can. We can go into it now as soon as we said February. Twenty second, eighteen o three: that's when these local fishermen see this ship drift in the water they towards land and they take measurements of it, so they find that it is almost eleven feet. High three point three metres and almost eighteen feet wide five point four five metres in her and to be more it's ten point, eight three feet high and seventeen point. Eight eight feet wide, that's kind of weird why we have such apparently specific measurements, mothers and answer there is because the

These measurements and meters and feet are conversions from the measurement system that the japanese community was using at the time. So what may have been a more rounded or approximation in their original measurement system wing converted into the measurement systems we use today, it's gonna come out. It's gonna come out. Walking was like the important part of this description is not that they were measuring in feet. A meters you know they were, they were going. Ok that seventeen point eight service may put your thumb. Somebody put your thumb on the on the tape you hold. It hold it down another the shape. Of this thing specifically reminded a lot of the witnesses of something

They knew of that. They saw him in their everyday lives as part of ritual in it was in incense burner a type of incense through this specific, rounded shape of the boat. Yet that silly thing this this is not a box, it has like God, it has a dome top to. It assumes its little that wider at the top than it is at the base. Almost like GAD similar, cupcake shape. That's you know, that's kind of what I'm saying too, but the bottom is almost more pointed in re. Weird way like a ship would be where the the weight is meant to be at the centre and right and then water displacement occurs as you move to the outer edges right yeah, so it seems like it could have been a meant to float like an actual boat and from the surface. This would have looked like a flower disk or a bubble. My floating on the surface of the water, which has led many p,

more on them, the fringe conjecture side of stuff to ask themselves. If this work, a? U S, o, perhaps write muted You turned me onto a long time ago and identified submerged object, but in this case would be you? It would be a? U! I felt that it be a floating right right right and as long as it's not a sinking object. Oil just says yes, because there are some artist, a picture. Because of this that you can find online, if you take a look at them, in my mind, just when I glanced at it. It looks like some kind of escape cap

or maybe from an early space ship early rocket, devereuxs. Let's say NASA would have sent up the module that comes down and returns to earth. That's what it looks like tonight, some sort of re entry yeah exactly well! We do need a little bit more about the craft itself over the ship. The upper part of the vessel appeared to be made of a red coded rose, would, while the lower part was covered with plates breeze and plates, either people conjecture were meant to protect it from sharp edged rocks wooden pierce. The shipping compromise its ability to function yak, as it didn't seem to have any kind of control system linking it just kind of floating there in the ocean and you never know you're in a run into in the upper part, allegedly ads.

For windows made of glass or crystal covered with bars and clogged, with an unidentified resin that they believe came from a tree. The windows, however, were completely transparent, and this is important because the fish and looked through the windows and that's when they saw not only the occupant vessel which will get to in a moment, but also base text written in an unknown language decorating, the interior of the ship. Then there somebody questions it go through my mind when you start thinking about. Why would there be texts in I the vehicle, and we will get into that a little later as well, but they also found it nothing there. There were bedsheets who, though, apparently the occupant was in our sleeping in this thing, or at least, would have been sleeping in this thing. There's a bottle with some water in it quite a lot of according to legislate,

three point six leaders and we get back into that in the whole measure. Writing I right. There is even some take in some meat that was prepared, so we know that these we know that these witnesses were able to identify items of society. It's right through the water and then also betting on the woman that they saw inside the ship they supposed tat. She was eighteen to twenty years old. She was said to be about a little bit less than five feet tall four point: nine two feet or one point: five meters. She had red, hair and run eyebrows, which was very unusual rice or her hair was elongated by artificial white extension. So I'll, let me check with you guys are. This does not seem a little weird because

the sudden weave makes an appearance and in eighteen, o three. You know I say that I'm any kind of experts on the hair style things of the eighteen you're, not a hare story of her story at home, but that does seem a bit odd, especially considering we're trying to figure out what they were made out of stories in his written down that perhaps they were made out of some kind of fur or some kind of powdered textile leg just some strange substance that was a long getting her hair and then they go the saying you read this multiple accounts and other videos on the subject that you can find out there on the net. This hairstyle cannot be found in any literature whatever that means ha. I don't think that's I'm not so amazed by that you're, because it's a big world lots of different hair styles.

They don't show up in magazines or are, you know, have illustrations from eighteen hundreds. The lady skin was a very pale pink shade. She wore long smooth clothes of unknown fabrics, okay, known fabrics, no and in here's, where we would start asking were we like investigative lawyers, were this trial. This would be the part where the defendant story breaks down. The witness who say that the woman began speaking no one understood She did not seem to understand the fishermen either. So no one can ask about her origin. Although she appeared friendly and courteous, she acted strange and she was always holding a pale box a little bit less.

Twenty four inches in size should not allow anyone to touch the box. The fishermen disassembled apparently disassembled the ship, and then they started conjecturing. They start asking themselves. Who is this person? What is this person doing? Is this a person there and will explore that is well right now, in twenty seventeen in this episode, after a word from our sponsor this episode of stuff. They don't want. You to know is brought to you by native hey, you guys I'm sitting here, looking at my wife's native deodorant that she loves It- is Africa caught and white peach? She uses this thing every day, she's trying to talk

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Join now and save up to twenty five percent off your first year, just gotta, lifelike telecoms. Last conspiracy, that's lifelong dot com, slash conspiracy for twenty five. Set off we're back, then I have to go. Let's I'm doing the minus ten seconds thing on my ipod right now going back yet so I want to get to a group of local fishermen on the coast of Japan. Meeting someone who they can't undressed the language and there's no immediate translator there, for whatever language is being spoke, doesn't it seem like? Maybe it could be a traveler from any number of other places, sure Burbank I don't know somebody on Burma, gotten Bishop, would be. That would end up, of course, being a time traveller.

You're right, we have to mention their lot there, a lot of places that someone floating in a ship that doesn't have any kind of controls could becoming from. However, it seems like you would have had to be ass, a short journey in order to survive in that thing, unless it was poor full of food and water, imagining a bunch of local fishermen not being held understand many I'm just imagining a bunch of local fishermen not being held, understand many languages. I know if I was one of those fishermen and I only spoke japanese- that's it. I can't understand anything you're saying to me: I'm sorry yeah, but there is also a situation where you would think through hand, gestures, right or or trying to communicate would be possible to to have some sort of two way: communication I dont have you ever been in a situation where you're talking

Someone who doesn't to have a common language with you absolutely yeah in a lot of it. You right can be solved in those ways. I wonder if there was any kind of panic going on because of the somewhat mysterious, the haitian everybody was in. Maybe that lead to even her communication being available in us. So that's it. I mean. That's really that's really a point and we You are probably never going to know what this person was saying, I'm pretty sure they're, not from Burbank other than that we don't. We don't know what correct. We do, however, have in these accounts. We have people who claim to be eye witnesses, one way,

the older man from the local village, and he thought he didn't think this is strange, alien, Rapture terrestrial. He thought that this passenger was a princess, perhaps of a foreign realm and that she married in a homeland, but in this disguise he's only earlier. Futures screenwriters go and full backstory, careful backstory says whose she's probably princess from form relevance married in my homeland, but when she had an affair with a townsmen after the marriage, it caused scandal and the lover was the acute it the princess was banned from home. I just have him this idea of him doing it like a tv pitch, oh yeah, sure that in the princess right is banned from home she is she had to go, but should they couldn't killer because every

He liked her in the shed. A lot of sympathy is big fan club, so they said. Ok, we're not gonna we're, not gonna kill you the kittens we're both yeah, he was where he was working on a script for a play that he was be putting on and man he just went full on so under hazy count. If this were correct, then that box would contain the head of her deceased lover well and here's something also in the past. This wasn't the first time. This kind of troop turned up in the past are very similar object with a woman patently washed ashore on a close by beach, and this time there was a not a box, but there was a small board with a head pinned to it cheese. So then, again, this person's conjecture is that the box will probably be the

and that's why she protected it so fervently- and there are other legends in japan- has to do with something kind of similar where there's a a box, that's given to a character and the characters will never to open the box. Right and I'm sorry they're not giving some specific, because this is a firm cursory reading, but inside the box is something very special you're not allowed to show anybody when the character returns to his home. He realizes that no body around that he knows. Is there any more and turns out? It's been three hundred years since he was last in his home town, even though he doesn't think it's been three engineers who any proceeds to open the box and inside the box was actually his

age like is the all the time that things him yeah, there's gotta saved. Him was actually inside the box and he became an old man when he opened it right. Ok, that's a new and me and another similar anecdote from the folklore perspective of the the forbidden access concept. Would be. The famous story was a black beard. Ok, yeah was Bluebeard Pirate Captain who will Mary somebody who married lady, and then he said everything you want is yours I'll go in this one room ever where she goes in and that's where He is killed, all the other women who married because he told them not to go into the room she is. Creating its own problem. I think I'm not really sure that's what's happening here,

you know I've. I I dont Taiwan Priscilla too much, but I've never been in a situation where I had a dead body room that I wouldn't let that I just feel like. If you have a room, we don't want people to go in to then you should just lock it and you pointed out all the time worming clean up after yourself, the silly you know, that's the boy, but this was also a different period in history noted in every plastic tarps next, trusting like but yeah, yeah boy would wooden planks. Ok, but before we vote to foreign folk were let's take. Let's take a look at the rest of the store knock out, so so the Fisher folks say he would take a lot of effort. Essentially, for us to investigate this woman and figure out what someone

but we have a lot of fishing to do now. They thought. Maybe this was just a tradition that some other group of people practice. So they said, okay, watches foot this craft back together. We don't mess with your stuff, so will leave your water will leave you live and will help push this. Back out to the ocean in safety.

I leave you to your destiny, lizards and then the older man whose giving this account has a great quotation here from human site. It might be cruel, but it seems to be her predetermined destiny at Sir Guy called about. You know I get it. Maybe this is what she meant to do float around until she finds the rightful place so February. Twenty second eighteen o three, as happens in eighteen O. Three is not that long ago, it's a little over two hundred years, yeah, which in the spanish time is just like that new right eye. So that's why you all sometimes hear people described this as the first quote: unquote: modern UFO, citing. Let's look at the analysis. Alright, folklore

work. Similarity has, as you know, I extensively mess around with folklore. Yes and folks, like a lot of our love, you listening now also do extensive folklore. Research right at this stuff is fascinating and great, and one of the things that we find in any kind of investigation of anecdotes or legends is that aspects of stories are contagious and they mix together right, especially when they cross cultures, especially when they cross cultures, and then they start to exist in a different framework, we mentioned before that stories of Faye or fairy abductions right within take care, a human child, a human child and replace it with a change lean like sick baby. This was

This was kind of the dna of what would later become alien abduction stories and, of course, we saying that people who believe they have been abducted by some kind of actual dressed entity or government agency or extra dimensional thing. We're not saying they don't believe. It were saying that the two types of stories culturally, have a lot in common, the others, a precedent to the belief of being taken away. Taken away by something unknown or unseen and then return I always wanted to. Why is it kid one of my favorite folklore stories was their winkle, oh sure, where it falls asleep time passes, then he's playing the bowling with that he he gets wasted yeah. Why not

any plea egos bowling with that? It changes. Sometimes it out. Sometimes a nome, sometimes adjusts sketchy mountain folk, daylight, carnies they or court carnies bowing with carnies bowling with carnies sounds like fun. I it sounds like something I would watch red or listen to thy idle Nero. That great a bowling. Ok, a curse, sir! You you might get tricked abetting a little bit then a little more o thou? Is it I only suit? That's it. That's a fascinating soreness thinking when you brought up the idea of someone losing time Finding their age in those two stories most likely exist and were created in the

deadly her. I mean they may have had more talent. He is a heck of a mode of error, so that probably separately inspired the authors of those stories, but for the purposes of this exploration, what that means is that there may be elements of the pseudo bunni story that. Either come from another earlier story. Or were later transmitted to something there is also we'll be remiss if we didn't save ii. Ufo. U S so angle, right, chore, floating object, fine objects, submerged object, ah pros and cons for it being one of those types of opt. Ok! Well, let's start off with the issue

meaning made largely out of wood, yes, that traditionally not a space varying material, earliest noddy, ideal space, varying material, okay. So that's a con I'll. Do some devils advocacy here and say approval would be that they had never seen this type of craft before ok, yeah, that's it! That is definitely up there. I know that the type of boat was similar to something that they would be familiar with with e eroded the rat. No, the rounded bottom was a boat shape that there be used to buy hop. Part right was completely out of out of the elements. I would that be their nother pro the eye, usual appearance of the occupant which she then in this period, would have probably would have been alien,

you have no eight, an alien extra terrestrial sense. This very very strange, licking person, everyone, a bridge kind of the folk lore aspect and the UFO. You are so aspect we ve looked too some stuff having to do with the dragon God of the sea region- and this is there's a place called the Dragon Palace Castle, which is a translation of course, that is at the bottom of the sea, where this God lives in a high a servant. Sir, the God has servants, do are. Let's see is built out of solid crystal which might bring in you know what they believed the windows to be created out of a lot of legends about this place and one of them This has to do with the inhabitants who had to guess what red hair pink skin. Ah so it feels Maybe if you see this- and you know about these legends,

you are aware, will of religion and the denizens earth she's me the inhabitants of the palace under the sea. You may think: well, maybe that's what this is. Maybe this is an emissary. From that realm from that area, or you know someone trying to escape yeah. You know and that that's great point, because We know that having some pre existing information, even if you're, not even beside the front of your mind right, we know that it, it can be a very powerful priming influence it's a lens that you and I see it or even though you don't realize the lenses. Their other acknowledges in historians also took a look at this case. Often

before it became came known in the West, because you, you won't find a whole lot of information on it in English. Now, there's a lot of blogs are so if you do speak, japanese speaker me, japanese, and you have some japanese sources- that you would like to help us to them. Please send more way give me: what do you think the best translations are? I would love to learn more about this. Absolutely here's what we have now in various in various decades after this event February, twenty second eighteen o three other experts or scholars investigated this and one fellow named-

Gaeta Cuneo really went deep. We were hard on the pass and he emerged a little more sceptical. So he points out that the circular boat shapes, as, as you said, Matt we're, not unusual in Japan. They ve been around for a while, and he said that the really weird stuff for people at this time would have been windows made of glass and those breeze in protective plates. So they would make it look exotic tat to people like seeing a modern car. In the time when you know the model, T is the thing that you see rolling down the street with with all of the glass products and other things, and it would just be strange. You couldn't really understand what you're looking at

yeah exactly exactly and it would be kind of a. It would be close enough that you would say that some sort of cop yet another like that's some sort of boat. He also points out that the oldest versions of this not necessarily most popular but the oldest versions according to Yanina Gaeta, describe humble circular, open log boats without any dome. Ok, and he argues that these details, these plates in these windows and stuff were added afterwards, because people would inevitably ask How did this log make it across the open sea? Oh that's a great question, especially in open Lobo like that susceptible to any kind of weather

to waves. It's just it's going down, but it enclosed a yes. It makes a lot of sense. So in this way it's almost like adding on details not necessarily to a lie, but to a story. You know that you're making up as you go and you had more details to make it seem more credible, embellish, yeah the I ceased to be a dangerous place in some of that me hinge on the shape of the boat, because, if you're imagining know something we're like a lifeboat or canoe. That would be that word. Probably have a better chance because it is slightly better shape, but no, this is just a thing. That's spherical! At the top and rounded at the bottom,

and in along their just moving where the ocean takes it. Peyton tackle you're. A little strange. I saw Yonah Gaeta also points out that most legends similar to that of the pseudo bunni sound like some finds a strange person, almost always a girl or young woman inside a circular boat and either rescues, though, or sends them back to the ocean ha material. Is all this time scale Oh, I was going to break into song. There. I mean there are so many legends about that kind of thing. And you can imagine the stories that mostly male sailors would make up while out on the high seas in your probably with familiar with a lot of them. Know. I'm glad you brought that up now, because it reminds me of one of the strangest.

One of the strangest cases of sailor stories, they're out about we use it safe for work. Yeah, ok, is well will tell the safe for work version. So for a long time since people were sailing the ocean tonight, there were always legends of sea Monsters and of aquatic creatures are very close to people. A Murphy, mermaids and sailors would talk about seeing mermaid from a distance on ashore, I mean this goes back to the Greco Roman stuff with siren singing and then the best guess that a couple of people have

no, and I know that is that they were manatees air. That does it. You know, that's the thing he gets me. It's I keep thinking. How long did these guys have to be out there on the ocean to to think to mistake humanity for a person, and this dismiss identification? It was through meal seeing a seal, a man, it's here, another creature, that what kind of like Lounge Alger me, I guess maybe a walrus, but the tusk would probably it is hard to mistake. I guess depends on the distance exactly I am going away if these people were hoping to see a human of some sort than the wrong kind of primed to see it and if people were familiar with these sorts of legends, then they were

up in the in the Tele specialist or all recounting memories so treacherous they might end up accidently, adding details, as somebody else misunderstands the add up into something else there were a great story, the your retelling YO at a tavern somewhere. I mean why did you say now, just a walrus, that's no fun to say that all this and all his son, who is it was a beautiful mermaid yeah and the person you found adrift in this boat had hair extensions. I'm not discounting stories of Morocco, the saying it's unlikely battle. The ocean is a big place I am from our previous episodes. We know that if there are any large undiscovered creatures to day they had, the odds are highest that they would exist in the ocean.

So maybe they're they're gonna ruin that for anybody you know, but I do have to say they are definitely weren't discovered by a certain channel on television in the sea, called mermaids. No man can learn that the absolute I would never play play ball with that notion, but I'm not gonna act like I'm, not gonna, go see awkward man I'll check for sure diverted as the UN. The point here is that there were other scholars were taking rigorous. This one is named: Doktor Carr, Zoo, Tanaka. Yes, a professor for computer and electronics, engineer the university in Tokyo. He investigated the original texts, the the three texts that are you can find. Now they actually exist in real life right now, in museums, you can go and pick them up in this. He did this research and ninety nine

seven and he's considering he's really looking at the popular versions of UFO sightings, the more modern ones, but there they read. Out and then comparing those to the zero bunni event. Let Zaire they re telling of it, and he points out that. These legends of tour Bunni, it never never flies they had never yet drives like. We said it has no control mechanisms, at least not recorded. It doesn't show any signs of technology besides being a boat and may be having some windows alike extraordinary technology, yet nothing beyond what could believe GDP as snow razors know. What's that thing in STAR Trek where it will just create any food or beverage, you desire o of the Ets

food machine. I don't know what it's called a bright eyed or try quarter. Didn't she didn't, have a tricorder with right. That's a good example of it. Just ammunition this ship just drifts, it just drifted across the water had drifted to the fish meal. They didn't, we drifted, Amanda, go, get it and real it in and so Tanaka concluded that this tale was a mix of folklore and imagination. He also based his assumptions on ya gonna earlier work. He had one more or he had a couple more holes to poke in this story. Trill examine, after a word from our sponsor, though we're part, these days was sharing more so at Geico, we'd like to say thanks thanks for sharing your savage dance moves thanks for sharing your d, I why haircut fails banks for sharing your inner lips ink star

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and that's the location of where this event purportedly happened. Yes, according to doktor to knock of locations that have been referenced in various accounts of this are, in fact, thick tissues specifically points out how return a hammer and horror Yod Dorie to make the anecdote sound credible. He believes the author, invaded the beaches as personal ache. Ridges of a local landowner named August, Sawa Naga she gave in this this character did. This is real person. Yes, it lived during the ito period. But his land was in in the heartland away from the water right put in so it seems pretty definitely least according doctorates knock at this fellow I never had any contact with the fishermen on the pacific coast. The ogre- so

a clan, serve the Tokugawa dynasty and they add power over most of northeastern Japan until eighteen, sixty eight and that's a long time after this third right and there Their main landholdings were in the hotel she province in geographically, that's very close to eastern beaches and so doktor to knock. I found it very odd that such a strange incident could have occurred,

and it wasn't commented upon in any official documents. Rare you'd think so, if something this strange and seemingly important occurred to an individual whose that closer proximity to power occurred, you think it'll be ran down somewhere somebody somewhere as being told this and they would go ok. The strange thing happened. Perhaps there is some kind of invaders going on with this. It's at least worth documentary yeah. What's also keep in mind that this was during a period of isolation, national isolation, right aware in Japan really limited. Really limited alot of international interaction so near The all foreigners were barred from entering, except in a very specific circumstances. The com in olive oil

didn't of Japan like the normal, no Jane or John DOE of Japan, but you and I very little chance of ever leaving the country, so this would have been beyond unusual night and there is a remarkable incident that is documented that doctor to knock a found, and it happened in eighteen, twenty four, when a british whaler was stranded on the north eastern coast of they Hitachi District before you ask no not show up in a weird cupcake licking ship to knock. I also found out that during the ruler ship of the took our clan, the ogre savoir faire, and undertook a started, mapping their territories and is important because the names of both of the beaches mentioned in the text are missing. They also do not appear on the maps of the whole of Japan

She came out. Nineteen o seven, oh boy, if the name of a village city replace a change in history, this would have been noted right so because of this doctor tonight, things thinks that this is probably just a legend of folklore similar to similar to the stories in modern urban legends right here. The nine hundred and trace the call in the phone call was coming from inside the house, and it was in this town and it wasn't my first cousin, but it's someone that knows my first cousin and they live a few towns over and there is a hook sticking out of the side of the driver window yet and I'm pretty sure it was a Pontiac. The Pontiac sat around anymore. This happened to someone's older brother who went to school a couple districts away there. I think I know

There were few grades above us always just a little bit a little bit too far to react in its tantalizingly passive, almost go back into this eighteen, twenty four account of the british whaler who got stranded and gave the first accounting of This is recorded the next year in the first, the first one, called tales of the rabbit garden. Eighteen, twenty five as when that is officially written. So perhaps

so there's little styling going on there of something and actual occurrence, and then you bring some folklore into it. I mean that's as at least a great tale to put into your book called tales from the rabbit garden. That's a good point! So we know. There's nice lesions place where this sort of incident would have been reported immediately right and also these acknowledges and historians who will look back at this later in the modern day I e they pointed out something really caught me, which is that originally aliens ufos were not part of the conversation. Ok, though there was like a term for flying saucer right. None so were extra terrestrial. I guess that there might be a term, but it wouldn't be applied the same way. We use today a visitor of sorts, but not like that. So there,

lean over time. The UFO thing got retro fitted onto it. You know what I mean. I the particularly european appearance of the woman. Yeah pails gate, skin red hair, the upper part of the reboot and the unknown writing rather the language that the Fisher men could not identify lead. Both not got an Yonah Gaeta to the conclusion that the entire story was based on this historical circumstance: people if the of the period were totally insulated from the outside world, so that this was more a tale reflecting a fallback cultural attitudes, wow sort of the same way again that modern urban legends reflect fears that are already in popular culture rightly

in the ninety nine ease, the satanic, panic, replayed, eighties, nineteen only satanic panic thing ripped the nation in these people? Every every region had some sort of tail of a sea. Really cool thing going on and in some cases are gonna record, saying it yeah. In some cases they were probably true not that, like dark magic worked or anything, but there were people who can did ritual murders and it may not have had anything to do with Satan or anything like that right in the eight but

that's happened, just didn't happen near as often nor is widespread, as people fought it, but there is often a seat of truth in these sorts of stories and if we look at it from a structural perspective, the construction, the story, it's ultimately like a lot of other legends itself explaining the woman disappears, no knew what she said. The boxes goes with her now, there's no artifact, there's! No. If you happen and another thing which was new information, as is that the people of the period here apparently had great interest in paranormal things loved ghost stories, monster stories, bizarre events, sue

be surprising to find these stories of the strange, an inexplicable in these books tat. Those are the best stories, in my opinion that I think one of the big reasons why you and I know- and trust in our interested in these things, because it so other outside of anything. We experience that you get to give live in that world, where monsters exist in ghosts in remain after the physical body leaves. I think we're going to have to differ here, met you eleven, the monsters do exist. I think, by like, like Crackings are we talking about human monsters caravansary talking about werewolves, so when we bring it all back together, what our conclusions could this be nothing more than a popular legend recited over and go

changing a bit. Each time is pretty clear that in the years following the initial reports, a large portion of the population excepted this fact believed something came ashore, but does that mean it actually happened? I mean the fictitious locations are real obstacle here and as far as doktor to knock I looked into it. It seems that those locations are indeed its much. Likely that those locations where fictitious, rather than renamed, that, for me, it's more more feeling, like a version a re telling of an older story that had some new details put it. To it, and I really, I really think you're while their analysis and then our going over the idea that perhaps it was a more It was a morphing of these. These folklore tales dealing with

the isolationism in the area at the time in eighteen, twenty eighteen, twenty five, when the story was written, And then later on kind of doing the same, except for a more modern times in the nineteen nineties tale of alien spacecraft that were very popular then get morphed like this thing gets where they get pulled into this thing right. So then it's just kind of just been changing over time little by little, but there there's some other questions, and I think we can in done some questions here. How see worthy would a vessel like this actually be, as he said, no sales and steering equipping the oars etc? Where did it come from? Could it have come from

sure. Perhaps if you look at some of the ocean currents around here not round here were not right now, but a round the land Mass of Japan. You see here on the coast, the there's a current that goes from sort of south West. North east along the bottom and then layers of the eastern part of her hand, but at the top there's a current in in the North EAST, there's a current that goes the exact opposite direction. So as easy, if you, if you look at the way these currents well, a swarm around, it looks like it's possible that something with no steering could have drifted down sure, but you're. The best way to find that out is to build one of these ships

put out the water and see what happens worried. What are you doing? What were you doing the summer, I'm building around a ship, less, I'm brazen sides, upper windows, a vote that you know the one last thing we have to get into is: is it possible that there's something even crazier like the here's, where you get it gets crazy moment? I could. This have been a person that was Pull out of time, perhaps soon out of some other dimension out of some other, you maybe a time when ships did look like that Internet dimension yeah. I know I know that's new again into the weirdness. I mean probably not right, especially Khazars me. In water, like some kind of container water bed, I recognisable stuff yeah.

Oh yeah, the language could have just been cyrillic Russian sure you know, and if there's nicely policy. Then there could the chances of people, no Aigner, even without lakes, bigger reading, just recognising another written language and be able to say: oh, that's russian, oh that's, french or something those chances are pretty low and the very last square in the one it stuck with me. I don't know about you that, but one that stuck with me, the one that has are producer shrugging in inhumane and frustration what happened to the lady in the ship, what happened to the woman on the ship? Well, she went back down to a dragon palace and you know she got. She took a bunch of notes. She wrote him inside her ship, that's what she was doing this. Why there's other writing there?

there were like. Do you remember the box, and she said that doubling the question is: what was its function? What was it doing? Maybe with some kind of sound recording device. Maybe it wasn't any s classic people again then weird stuff, Maybe it wasn't any s classic people again, then weird stuff, dear those is that is that how Nintendo it was a brilliant marketing campaign that started centuries ago. I know for video game. I just found out that they are making cards in the eighteen, hundreds, which is pretty awesome, Nintendo good on first making that switch. Allow yeah, I didn't even expect that went into his eyes was this, and we would like to hear your opinion about this in the additions,

We would like to hear other historical anomalies that you have found, because whether this is entirely a legend weather is based in truth, whether something even weirder, then the various theories we explore today we'd like to hear about it in your part of the world did a ship like this show up in. A little bit later in eighteen. Oh two! Eighteen o three! Maybe this you know matches up somewhere else in the world where just floated to de jure parents, grandparents or ancestors meat when one of them washed ashore and mysterious craft. If so, have you taken it? in a test, love to hear about it or just send us some dna, and you know what it care. You can write an email which reminds me it's time for our chat. Con asked our first shot out comes from Sidney,

He says, hi guys. I was listening to both episodes of your serial killers series loved him. You said You might do a third one I was gonna suggest. Maybe the West Mesa murders from Albuquerque New Mexico. I live here and people are still talking about them. Pretty often, I don't know get out. If you want thanks for reading. Oh, are you Sidney? I don't know much about that Ben. Are you aware of these at all the others was absolutely news to me, and I think we should do a third episode earthy instalment of that SIRI. So let us now We would like Matt no eye to eye to investigate this in future episode and send us just take a page on Sidney's book and send us your suggestions. I thank you for raising Sidney. I am glad that enjoy is not the right word to use, think betide about it and that episode, but there's something can pass

and fastening, especially when we consider how many of these crimes occur, with relatively low fanfare outside of their region. During the highway of tears. An active hunting ground for how long only got accounts and just two. Add a little bit of mystery here to the end of it. I just looked it up, then. In two thousand nine, the remains of eleven women were found, buried in the desert of West Mesa and no suspects have been arrested and a serial killer is believed to be responsible were on the key.

Our next. The next shout out is a little bit unusual. Something and we we haven't always done, landed something I'd like your help with thoughts. So I went on twitter recently for attend generally related thing to ask a question, because I spent part of an afternoon trying to figure out the proper plural of big foot. Is it just Bigfoot like sheep, the other? There are several made more and there are some sheep or is it a big foots three big foots were on the road that day or is it big, beat me I'll, even know how many big feet I was here and walking around. These are great examples met services. This is a gift, so I would on Twitter, we asked about it and we, We got a lot of responses, we're just gonna review here.

Oh man, yawn, has create one. This is my favorite, I, what is it a heroine says I believe it's like. Regions and attorneys general biggest foot, Aye aye and then Stephen even says one big foot, more big foot and big fullest ha. Evidently Kyle. Sherman says. I wonder if you can call group of big for a trample trample of big foot, you can now remained worries. You gotta is still say some that were a trample of big foots, see here's the thing. Ok, I was thinking I spoke way too much. I think you wouldn't say teeth brushes. If you had to chief precious. That's very true, I saw all also yeah you're, never brushing a single too well. I guess. Sometimes you are no due to circumstances via the teeth brush its teeth: bread,

So we also had a body for the show Josh Clark, chime in the garage lark. I know that you know take about the issues important issues at hand. He voted for big foots, really, which is sort of what David Kara Philly data be care from our earlier Bigfoot interview. He Please lose was big foot. Do right in and let us now because I still can't let this go and it seems like there's not really a consensus. We have time for one more sheriff Jeff from Ontario shut out to you. Jeff says: hey guys. I just listen to the pyramids. Episode I was into the whole thing wondering if you were going to mention the pyramids on Mars by the way that is pyramids of Mars. I'm gonna glad you didn't go there. It would have cheapened the sincerity of the subject. Okay, we did mention something that act.

I can any de correct, I say had a monolith on one of the moons of Jupiter. That is incorrect. It's on one of the more moods of Mars who without but we did mention that let's go back in here Jeff also. It's you were right about seduce proceeding, Kung FU panda by quite a bit, I'm a big gables fan and user of seduce as sort of an exclamation point enough so that it was one of my niece, a nephew first words. Well, congratulations. It brought them a ton of joy and it was super cue to see their smiles peak out as they struggle to see it through their passive fires. Thanks for the great show, Jeff will thank you Jeff just you know, I think pyramids on any other planet is just an awesome topic, because if it, if we did find that, I mean the implications that right,

But again, going back to their episode. Is that a pyramid or is it just sort of appointing mountain? It's probably. Pointy rock just anyone, the Higgs discover it to get here and then also- and this will warm knolls heart or warm our colleagues heart, to hear your information about seduced. Thank you so much writing. This concludes our eyes, but not our show. We will return next week with something just let's see what we have lined up or we have some your views? Oh yes, and we have another one coming up the can we spoil kind one deserters, let it come on you think it has to do with what have

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