Hi there I'm sack wrath and I'm gonna phase on we're real life best friends. We met playing fake life, best friends, Turk and JD on the sitcoms grubs. Twenty years later, we ve decided to re watch the series one have pursued at a time and put our memories into a pod cast. You can listen to at home. We're gonna, get all our special guess. Friends, like sour chalk, John C Mckinley meal Flynn, Judy raise show create a bill. Lawrence editors, writers and even prop masters would tell us about. By the series and how we became a family. You can listen to the pond cast vague doctors, real friends with Second Donald on the high heart radioactive apple podcast, and wherever you get your mind CAS one night in nineteen, sixty one on the side of a dark highway.

Betty and Barney Hill TAT lights in the sky. Two years later, the underwent hypnosis to try and recall what happened some took. It is facts. Others thought it was a fantasy, but what really happened that September night in World New Hampshire? join me Toby Ball for the inaugural season of strange arrivals, a co production of I hurt radio in grim and mild from errand Maggie, listen to strange arrivals, and I heard radio at on Apple pie casts or wherever you get your pact. From you at those two psychic powers and government conspiracies history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn this stuff. They don't want you to know a production of. I hope we stuff works,

welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. Knoll is on an adventure, but who are you? Are you a call me Ben? We are joined with our super producer, Paul mission Control, deck and, most importantly, you are you you are here, and that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know this Weird would met. This is never so that a lot of our fellow listeners had asked us to cover in years past years. It's it's a call back call back, it really is, and we did we. We did an episode related to this topic way back in what twenty sixteen. So, looking back, it's strange to recall that the twenty sixteen presidential campaign happened. Three years ago yeah. It certainly doesn't seem as though that much time has passed, but in fact it has a three issues.

Years were not quite there yet by dint of, but still I it's, it's crazy- that much time has passed, and you know, since especially presidential elections in this country that they bring out the best and the worst of us. I think I think that's incredibly optimistic, and I appreciate that I needed to do here some good news. Tat, you're, you're, absolutely right. My friend, I agree with you we back in twenty sixteen when we first did some epochs. Foods on elections. We figured that the most fact based and the fairest way for us to some

all the allegations conspiratorial accusations that we had we heard of was to do one episode for each of the political party front runners. So he did one episode on conspiracies about the Trump campaign and we did one episode on conspiracies about the Hilary you campaign, yes in Bernie, didn't even make it in there. Actually, that's not true. Bernie made an appearance in the clean episode oh yeah, along with your your pal Washerwoman Schulz re everyone's PAL Waterman show. It was like this both of those episodes together like this avenged. Infinity WAR team up of horrible people doing a horrible thing here. Firstly, equal. And whether we like it or not, we contributed whatever it is that we are in right now, whatever this is we gave a little bit because We won involved, like you said, was all day every up to no good

in their really wasn't a great choice. It seemed at least in my opinion, because we had. We had a situation where, in mass Media was being leverage so effectively media was around another elections, but it Hatton quite reach the fever pitch that it reached in the twenty sixteen presidential campaign and like most presidential campaigns here in the sea, It's the one in twenty. Sixteen saw the rise and fall of multitudes of politicians is I was the sudden rise and candidly, the disappearance of various scandals, know what I mean. That's correct, absolutely so to de story starts with one of the famous conch versus or shall we say, infamous controversies in that election, known as the Hillary Clinton email scandal or email controversy. The word choice there too. Hands upon which which side

of the aisle you fall on for a lot of people. How much do you want to downplay you re right. So for some people this was a case study in our control media grasping at straw, us ripe and those were generally people who were supporters of the clear campaign for others. Generally opponents of that campaign. It was a case study in how the powerful can sweep their political dirt under the figurative rug. Let reality it. Somewhere in the Middle right right right in Nowadays, people still use the phrase. The EU, so first things first. What are we talking about here, then Hannah Phrase, but the aim it's kind of shorthand really and it's a bit of a joke, and it's I don't know it's pretty crazy goes back to the series of really security violations that were undertaken. How are you are you

that that they were, they were violations that the Clinton campaign did while she was in this as secretary of state and it were. It had to do with pudding bills on a private server or, emails that should not be on a private server on a private server right there, and in the big major scheme that's what it is and ultimate you're talking about the classification of certain email and information within emails that maybe shouldn't have been on a private server and I know that for many of us listening today- and this is something that you you may feel that you ad nauseam three years ago, I you think you well. Why should we show is in this? We have a plot was coming up for you. This is not just an episode. About emails, the plot thickens pretty quickly, but to get there, we need to walk through the

the email scandal, the email controversy it is exactly as you described. It met a series of security violations. Think of it, as you know, what think of one server as a an old school filing cabinet right and then another server right next to it, another old school filing cabinet and in the server to you were right that's where all the classified stuff goes. What's up with North Korea, what would her or RON and various other middle eastern powers angry or cranky about today? That goes into this one file cabinet in that followed and has a crazy man of locks on biometrics scanning in order to get into it its intense stuff. Can you have the other file cabinet on your left? No locks, it's kind of a junk drawer are you know, they're like old recipes, maybe some pinterest things in air, but then

one way or another through accident or through intentional action. This stuff, that's top secret. Worse just secret ends up air with the recipes and the hey. What are you going on Saturday? Let's go to what's a chain restaurant o Charlie's out he's gonna kill us. If we don't shout Apple Hansel, we will be sorry, sorry, ball, Applebee's, cheese closely. Here's another major distinction. We have to make yesterday server on your right, the one that has all those locks on it with all the classified information that one can be seen by the sea, department by a lot of other intelligent age, he's, there's, there's, there's accountability on that one right: right: government, the private one that one the one on your left, its come,

lately controlled by the queen campaign and people who are contracted to work with the Clinton campaign on that e mail server, thats, a huge thing that we have just remember absolutely great point: there is a chain of custody in theory for everything in that right hand filing cabinet. This controversy, as it is here is a security violations. Miss filed emails deleted emails, and that is another big thing done. Aided e mail deleted emails yet, and this started both for Clinton became the democratic candidate in the twenty sixteen campaign, but it continued during the I'm paying. This didn't really become a national story until March of twenty fifteen, when the New York Times ran a front page article on the subject, the article said that the system quote

may have violated federal requirements and was quote alarming, unquote to current and former government archive officials. So that's what that's what the glint campaign was? doing Clinton was found to have used her families, private server for official communications instead of official State Department, email accounts. This happens to a lot of people on a much smaller scale, let's say that you have multiple social media accounts. Let's say that, like our good friend mission control, you have one account: that's Paul, something or other, and then you have another account that is Applebee's facts. Tat happens, Didn't you forget it? You know you forget to switch your profile over, and so Europe's earlier read it using its eyes. It sounds like a great red it uses and then you know all the sudden things that should be said by Paul are being said by Applebee's faction and vice versa.

That's a much smaller level down because Applebee's facts in this is not a knock on. Applebee's faxed all usually doesn't deal with things like GEO political tensions in the Middle EAST. Yet not yet I mean those acts are coming a parallel quid quid pro quo things having to do with the classification of emails. Whenever that, whenever I hear quid pro quo, I cannot. But think of silence of the lambs. Oh really little quid pro quo, Mary was what's your name which broke well carries his yes, yeah did you know completely off topic met the renowned actor Anthony Hopkins, his character, Hannibal Lecter, there's not a spoiler is only actually on camera for play, ridiculously small amount of time like fifteen minutes or something all told yeah, and he won T win. Oscars galore that you're, a we in

Mozart, Zodiac killer. We actually mention that that year, that movie came out, they tailor the entire Oscar ceremony around his character. Essentially, in that movie, it's insane the: U S does glorify serial killers I found a another ancient serial killer. I think I'm building a pretty good argument. Like two pitched, you live Well I'll, do it now. What are we doing episode on serial killers before the eighteen? Hundreds or ancient serial killers, woe of a treasure trove, really a lot that will be new to people. Yeah documented serial killer, yeah, ok, that's only wholly podcast, who was policy, will give it a go so before we split the lives of those ancient serial killers. Let's continue exploring this strange story of emails right now. We ve outlined the

The gist right bless, walk through a little bit more of it. So shortly before she was sworn in as secretary of state in two thousand nine Hillary Clinton had set up an email, at her home in New York. This was home to an email address. Each d are twenty two at Clinton, email, dot com, and this was for all of her email correspondence, work related personal stuff during a four years, and This should also set up email addresses on the server for her long time, aid State Department, chief of staff, one Cheryl Mills whom Aberdeen whom inhabiting yes, yes, was long time aid she did not use or even activate a state dot. Gov email account which was a big deal, would have been hosted on servers owned, managed by the. U S: government. The reason that's important detail

necessarily because people fought the Secretary of State was a criminal or doing criminal acts, it's more for operational security or object, because other other countries, no matter how friendly they are, would love to know. Let's go nine in the? U S when the doors the halls of power closed, oh of course, and if you're, perhaps some like a Hilary, Random Clinton and stand out that you know that much as a name as a powerful person with within the all of that power, your private, mail server is a major target for anyone in every one who may be looking to find some information. I guess so So the F b I end up getting involved a little later on and what they found. Was it over a hundred emails containing some version of classified information were found on her private servers. There were six

I'd be mills. There were considered secret classified secret. Twenty two were classified top secret. It doesn't get much more secret than that another two thousand too thousand and ninety three emails were not initially classified, but then they were retro retroactively classified by the State Department itself kind of like upon further consideration. This has since then mace it's important to know that that is the state department that is doing that not all come into. A little later and there's a side note. There are things above Topsecret like compartmentalized access, your eyes only s lights, but that, as far as we know, these emails just went up to secret, which is still a big deal that shouldn't be sitting round on your your Yahoo account or something but you're. Absolutely right so is something

is amiss here when it doesn't matter where you fall politically. Various critics, including republican members of Congress, argued that using a private messaging system and server violated state department protocols, and furthermore they said this violates federal laws and regulations. The FBI is on the case as early as two thousand nine officials with IE in are a the national archives and Records administration expressed concerns over these possible violations of the standard operating procedure of record keeping at the State Department December of twenty twelve near the end of Clinton's tenure. As secretary of state a nonprofit group with a pretty neat name, citizens for responsibility, now, ethics in Washington or crew- oh yeah, they filed a freedom

information act request to get the records of the departing secretary of States emails. They received a response in May of twenty thirteen said no records responsive to your request were located. That's government ease for forum for you should nothing found yeah. Then you and you get a look at the surname there were sent to that whole Clint. Email, dot, com address, which is terrible to read, because it looks like Clinton. Mail just doesn't look great, but they were discovered in March twenty thirteen when a hacker who called himself or herself whoever was goose. They distributed. These emails that were sent to Clinton from Sidney Blumenthal and this dude goose of her up. In them by illegally accessing Blumenthal, email account, so this hacker essentially goose of her broken

Sidney Blumenthal female found. All of these private Clinton emails and goose offer is a portmanteau of Gucci and Lucifer so as to achieve for gucci fur excuse for a voice heard use of yeah, I just liked wordplay guys criminal, though in, The summer of twenty fourteen lawyers from the State Department noticed several emails from planes personal account, while reviewing documents requested by the House Select Committee on being gauzy, which is all another bag, badgers her boy and then, as we said earlier at twenty fifteen New York Times, He comes out. It breaks the story that the Benghazi panel discovered Clinton exclusively used her own private server, rather than the government issued one throughout our time as s o s secretary of state and that further were her age, took no action preserve emails that she sent or received from those personal accounts. The state department,

the intelligence community inspector General discover four emails that had classified information- and this was out of this- was a spot check out a random sample of forty and when they saw that they said ok for out of forty, that's one out of ten. We need to refer this to the FBI, their counter intelligence off. And so they alerted the authorities that this classified intel was kept on. The Clinton serve and by her lawyer on a thumb, DR injures too. Then the New York Times runs a story on July, twenty. Fourth, twenty fifteen with the headline criminal inquiry sought in Clinton's use of email here in the lead sentence from there story was two inspectors. General have asked that the Justice Department to open a criminal investigation into whether Hilary Random Clinton miss him

sensitive government information on a private email account she used as secretary of state senior government official said Thursday. So that's the again. That's the newer times You ve got them citing senior government officials saying that Hillary Clinton, mishandled sensitive information or her That's really all you need to know. That's a big deal. There of course you have all of these large As for innovations to deal they jump on, and they correct lakes correct the New York Times, stating that quote an important distinction, Is that the I I e the icy algae did not make a criminal referral. It was a security referral made for counter intelligence purposes so to get back through that government tease What they are saying is that we you were not. We were not giving an order to book em dunno,

yeah. We were saying this could be leverage by unfriendly foreign powers, yes and the times made to other corrections right. First, point was not the specific targeted referral and then there was not a crimson in nature. But that's the funny thing is with reductions, corrections things like that, even in large papers of note, the they legally correct the record, but they do nothing for the court to public opinion. You know what I mean the absolute you remember the first thing, especially the first headline. If you see Clinton, email scandal in a headline somewhere or when email referral or to some other combination in that, where you ve got a person a bad thing in an object. That's what your member it. Doesn't matter if, a week later, two days later, there's a correction on the original article, even if they tweet out

correction, this was not what it was. Nobody gives a crap yeah, typically typically nets. Drawing on anyone's intelligence, such as the nature of psychology for most people. Precisely so, how did this initial investigation? How did this all shake out will tell you, after a word from our spots we're back. So, let's jumped to July fifth of twenty six teeth. There's this gentleman named Co Me James Covey. He was the dream, Sure of the FBI. You may remember this name, Instead, the name in a long time are used to save a lot, but he announced the I completed its investigation. He was going to you know: they're gonna talk to the state Department with a certain recommendation in that region, was that no charges are appropriate in this case.

Great news for the Clinton campaign and all the supporters. He went on to say that, although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our Judgement is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Now in this, This initial messaging, that's coming from the FBI from call me the director again July. Twenty sixteen exactly two They just it seems like hey. This email thing happened, it's a little bit of carelessness, but you know what we're ok. Nobody did anything on purpose to hurt anybody else. It was just they used. A private server slept the hand, let's move sloppy, but not sinister Nager. So, but that changed the thing. The changes, the there's another is another investigation. On October Wendy. Eighth, twenty sixteen,

call me tells Congress that, in connection with an unrelated case, the FBI's learned of the existence of emails that appear pertinent to the investigation were going through. A lot of context here so, but we will get through it all be worth it at the end, this unrelated case to which they referred, was the FBI, investigation of the famously and hilariously tragically named Anthony Wiener hurry us from the daily show famously from the dew, famously from the daily show, this guy Despite you know, his name might make you think he has a sense of humor, but he got busted, sending sexually explicit text to a child, a fifteen year old girl. Yet I discovered emails from his estranged wife, who was working aiming at the aforementioned humor Aberdeen.

Whom Aberdeen the Vice chair, the clean presidential campaign, and because of this they considered the these emails might be relevant to the investigation. At the time call me said, the FBI would take appropriate event the gate of steps designed to allow investigators to review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information, as well as to assess their importance to the investigation. The time we talk about government procedure, an old can feel increase she lay like a snooze express acronyms. An initial isms fly Willy nilly everybody is talking like someone from the DMZ wrote their speech yet talking around things a lot of the time or of the procedures and the procedural nature yeah pretty crazy. Will. Then that's there's a reason for that rape because you want to make sure you get every letter every syllable, perfect. I'm just a champion before we're going to such a good idea. We were,

seeing as we are going through the whom Aberdeen stuff with they have any wiener. Just let us take a moment to say discussing. That is that he was sitting inappropriate pictures to a fifteen year old, yeah, really awful we are not making light of that. It kind of slid past us as we're joking through this testing Right Loki. I think. Ok, we can move on so yeah, I oh tat, was never a question for anybody by yes, just to be Crystal clear, bold underline its stamp that gross perfect. So on November, six, twenty sixteen mere days before the election combing senseless, the Congress and he says: look we worked around. The clock were thicken with our guns from July, Sorry, everybody this was careless, but we do not believe it was a crime

literally days before the election, as you said, and furthermore, despite criticisms that this was a superbly timed October. Surprise, one of those last minute things that can happen. They can swing the needle toward one candidate or another call me claim that both the investigation and its conclusions were a political, nothing do politics. The FBI, we have a job, we do our job, their job is to try to get elected. Our job is counter intelligence and fighting crime, and we did it. No surprise spoiler. For anyone who has caught up with the new since the Clinton campaign

he was unsuccessful. Donald Trump became the president of the United States and people who oppose the Clinton campaign or thought there was something rotten in Washington. We're not persuaded by the FBI eyes to investigations. They said it was like its cover up its rotten from its fat cats at the top on weight of fat cats. Given reports in Congress, these cats are just obese dear to many and too far too many in too fat. They said, yes, that's a quote: it seemed that, despite despite the FBI's claims that there were, there was nothing wonky about their timing. It seem to whomever had managed to orchestrate this Torreon narrative of private versus government emails, who managed

turn it into a chance in a rallying point of four oppositional media had done this masterful job. I Hillary Clinton herself cited this as one of the factors in losing the election. I would a thousand percent agree that this was a huge factors. What everybody was talking yeah I mean it could have been. The only factor know, though It was still the thing that if you thought about Hillary Clinton right around that timely October late October, early Remember it's twenty! Sixteen! It was Clinton email, it was the you do. You mean like it was the first key word that piled up in but mental Google. Yet, even if you are a supporter, something I guarantee you that was happening it was like Clinton Emails whatever will the calls for

a to this matter, did not cease. This association was prominent in people's minds even after the election and, furthermore, the they felt that justice had not been done or something was amiss, and these calls for investigation continued, even as the Trump administration floundered several times, both on the domestic and international stage, the White House itself increasingly called for more investigation into the Clinton campaigns. Classification. Female they went so far as to fire. James call me for this and some other, fired him for some other reasons which could be it Those are the room one day to day this subject. Means a rallying call for some vote

on the right of foreign intelligence agencies who pretend to be routers, are also very ardent about this and politicians who will go on record today saying that they feel there was a cover up now, let's get the rumours right. It's trekked, just like the ongoing arguments about the release of the Molitor report. The FBI's conclusion on the Clinton emails left, lotta people feeling lankness is not. This is the yacht. This is the edited version. The rejected version with the directors cut out the theatrical production tell me what actually happened, because for supporters of the FBI's conclusions again, typically, these would be supporters of the Clinton campaign. This was all pr sound and fake news, fury smoke with no fire mirrors with no reflection, a manufacturer crisis that accomplished exactly what it was created to do to remove Clinton and therefore the Democratic Party from the elect.

Game, of course, food for the people who are opponents of Hilary someday. Generally supporters of the term campaign and twenty sixteen people thought that this story was itself swept under the rug after she lost the election like per. Something else should have happened. We you may remember chance from rallies that you would see on television of lock her up? Oh that's right has because some people truly believed that there was such a mishandling of the stuff that it was criminal. You know whether they that because some it was talking about it or because you know some new story came out that was bred in actually, who knows, but people certainly felt that way, but they were

and that's because they thought there was even more to the story than what was being represented by the FBI's conclusions within their reports they thought that maybe it was a bigger cover, a cover up of some bigger thing of perhaps further corruption than just using an email server. Perhaps there was something deeper as in a deep state within the the? U S: government there was operating outside of the control of elected officials, a shadow government. Here's where it gets crazy. First, let's define what a shadow government actually is is not always bad. In the world of british politics there's the shadow capped at all. That is, is a group of people from the opposition party who for a different cabinet mirroring or wait for it,

shadow in the positions of each member of the real cabinet, so there's a there's, a person from the opposition side who will scrutinise the policies and actions of their counterparts in the Rio Cabinet and they'll present alternatives. Net vote for us they say because this is what we would have done. I gotta get Teresa may and men shadow Teresa may, with a mustache like black hat or something exactly see, see you ve seen. I have seen so in this case. People talking about the other, all the other definition of shadow government. It's not near his knee, nor as helpful as the british shadow government and the? U S, the term shadow government refers to two or three things: the first one is absolutely legal young eat it. It's the continuity of government, the pre planned order of secession,

in the event of one or more deaths in the executive branch and Congress, the President dies who's in charge now was vice president, the vice president dies who's in charge and on and on and on one of the most interesting questions me when I was when I was a kid was a very, very strange answer me to ask that question. When I told her to ask: do you think I could be president and family member, I'm not going to reveal who and their associates said. Well sure you might be president tomorrow. It depends on what happens tonight That's how I learned about the line of this shit Well, are you up there you in there? Like thousands, are you know you must be in the though it would have to be the millions Reed's of millions of people would have to die? We got to change that

it gives you hire financing, I don't know, I don't think so. I appreciate that, but I would nominate you instead nope This is the right path. If all you have it's all. I see him he's nodding. He would take that he would take that soap. That's that's the legal one, but then there What you mentioned earlier about the deep state! This is trenched, allegedly entrench network of unelected bureaucrats. There thought the wheel, the purse strings influence. Power needed to actually run U S and therefore a lot of the world behind the scenes. So ah ha they say you ve been elected for what for years, yeah you're the flicker hammer in the eye, some people in there really are positions like that that exist within Washington. In the structure it doesn't s necessarily mean that they're all working together for one big thing, but they exist in

arguably more powerful in a way than anyone that holds any office for four years within the president even in any large organization. In the U S, government is huge. Most governments are in any large organization. We see that communication tends to break down and people become gatekeepers of information. They were on their own, fiefdoms us, so the Third, just for the sake of argument that the third possibility is the massive amount of private influence wielded by billionaires or other governments or foreign businesses that want to push their interests domestically and abroad like foreign tree consortium.

Puts in hundreds of millions of dollars to toward U S lobbying to get more favourable trade arrangements right once, let's kick off the tariffs on these plush Garfield crises that are that were pushing, I don't know why? look. That's not my best example, but you know what I'm talking. I do get an exact another example of this on the domestic and would be the Coke brothers who have for decades in making in roads to push the? U S more toward the kind of governance that they would like to see, which is alternately described as or libertarian government and NEO feudalism. The money were really we're talking about the power if you're talking about the entrenched deep state and then with these private enforcers were really talking about the money right right and these things can all happen concurrently, that's the best part

it gets complicated. But usually, when you hear about a shadow government here in the states, it will come from it. It'll often come from the political rights they used to be a used to be, in times past a phrase used by the far far left and the far far right, who often agree on things more so than perhaps the media would have you push right here, but this always hinges on that notion of the deep state for people who believe in this kind of shadow government. The seventh floor group was proof positive that something was wrong in the beltway and what the

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so the seventh floor group or the shadow government promised that the sea male stuff would pay off yeah in the third the last last, thereby despite allow the stuff of interacting about really. You have to remember that in no that stuff before we get here, yes, a bit of a circuitous route, but we want the most direct way possible. We mention that the FBI investigation both of them, found what his eyes, no evidence of crime ripe and a lot of people real. Took that on the chin, because they were certain that this would be hard evidence. Smoking gun However, they did find some stuff because they dug deep in October twenty. Sixteen, the FBI release for sets of documents, including notes and interview summaries, and in this summary, in the fourth part of the release they found a reverie.

Ok, so just to set this up. Do you understand what it is it through? The FBI's vault, the vault? That's where you can find these things however, they ve been removed these these species ones relating to the Hilary Glenn campaign have been removed from the vault the FBI's website. But if you go to the archive dot. Org Wayback machine and you put in the url you can find this is difficult. In their global boys, you get to it, but it's called hill. We are Clinton, part four of six, that's what it's called you can find it and Essentially, these are just as been said, summation of interviews that they that they had with people just individuals regarding the Hillary Clinton email campaign, skin, or whatever was talking about the private sector what they knew when they knew it, and all of that and inside here you find one specific.

There are several specific things, but in one of these one of the document came from an interview with an unidentified person who suggested that the f o I e the freedom of Information ACT, requests related to the cliff to clean anything related to Clinton who went through a group that was some time sometimes referred to at least internally as the shadow government as literally the shadow government. So you know the first volume to say. Maybe this is the kind of an inside joke right, baby shirt, Let's keep listening in here According to this anonymous person quote, there was a powerful group of very high ranking state State department officials that some referred to as the seventh floor grew. Or the shadow government met every Wednesday afternoon, to discuss the freedom of Information ACT process with regard to Clinton we're talking, rational records and everything related to clean and

information act an congressional inquiries, so this group, literally they were the gatekeepers for everything. Could related and new were a. They were a powerful filter right. Yes, so this, oddly enough sumptuary crazy. Oddly enough, this was not a primary focus of mainstream media coverage. It did receive mention across the board and those opposed to the Clinton campaign. Quick, to this end ran with it. I mean you can't you can't blame those people, because if you, if you object to a politician or group, what a what a gift Dad this Sab, somebody in their foolish enough to call themselves the shadow government, my very own state department, shadow government, that's like the guy, I don't care who you are in politics or who you wish to be that's up there with open in a golf club called Illuminati only no I mean, even if you say it's a joke, no

everyone is gonna, be on board. So here's what we know according to the FBI some marine again. These are not actual transcripts. The group argued for a clean document release to be conducted all at once for what they called coordination purposes instead of on a rolling basis. That would normally be the case that again, your point Matt something more procedural than than a super big deal, a spokesperson for the State Department said. We categorically deny this claim. These related claims said. There's a big one coming up and they said these out patients are inaccurate. They don't align with the facts. To be clear, the State Department did upgrade the document. Whilst the FBI, who will be released, at least speaking with specific document, will get too, but let's look at the players, so the seventh floor group was believed to meet on wednesdays on the seventh

right of their building and the meetings were attended by some real internal power players under Secretary of State Patrick Kennedy, Secretary of state. At that point, John Kerry, deputy chief of staff, Jennifer Stout Deputy Secretary of state for management, resources, assistant Secretary Julia fulfilled field and anew the members of the office of the legal adviser, no ass notice, how the lawyers got away Somehow I just a bunch of attorneys yeah, which Europe

we're going to be wildly speculative. Can't you can't you easily. Imagine someone saying I'll tell you about the seven four, but I want full immunity, yeah yeah! I can actually see that very much so well. Is it a big deal? What why what's the big deal here? The big deal here is purely that the shadow government or the seventh floor group asked the FBI to declassify semi males, so they wouldn't be thought of as security leaks and smoking gun for poor people who believe that this was sinister. Oh was the alleged action of under Secretary of State Patrick Kennedy. According to the claims in the interview he contacted the FBI to ask for the church in classification in exchange for a quid pro quo. Isn't that crazy old quid pro quo Clarice and again this this guy's important? These also Kennedy doing ok

Kennedy Kennedy, Petra Kennedy, I honestly don't know who cares. Check this out. So if you go probably care, C4 Hebrew Algiers, ok, so on, age. For of that FBI, vaults document that you can find on the web dot archive org, it says that there this big meeting there talking about with the state Department with they called it in all agency meeting. And this person, Kennedy? They were speaking about. He presided over the meeting and during the conversation one of the people. Specifically asked whether any member of the emails in question were classified making eye. Contact with Bird acted Kennedy, remarked well, we'll see, and this is a purely while he was making again making eye contact with somebody like our hey, maybe we'll, find out what's going on, and then he went on to discuss a centrally. A quid pro quo about perhaps putting FBI agents in countries.

Fbi agents are generally not allowed to be like. Maybe if you can change that vacation will do something for you some. Beyond what anyone would imagine. It would be possible this gretchen, their backers, gretta your back gap. We'll get FBI agents in this country where they're not supposed to be that's a huge deal, yeah yeah, so worthy the eye, the F B. I said: ok, we're here Was he heard tat? You know, What had happened was that the FBI determined address there was an email, senior state department, official requested the FBI to quote review this Look at it again, just make sure thee You know, do your job, but do it again is classified are you sure you I wish you'd have to look at it. Can you be sure right? That's basically won't down, and then they say that an FBI official who is not part of the leader Clinton investigation, told the state Department.

The guide states varmint. Well, you know now that you mention it. Ah, yes, I could look at it again, you would really help me look at it if, if we, if we could maybe who addressed or just while got got you on the lying here, while I gotcha on here pats, if we could also address our risk, would that request to keep putting it in for Spain for additional FBI employees assign abroad, because you have sent you several emails and tried to call multiple times now. You answer the phone or you know what I think. Maybe we can take care of it. Some of those emails, you know, ended up being unclassified written. That sounds like a good deal to me. Sort of a cloud of about one thing, and I thought no, no, you hang out only covers are easily

you still there, you gotta hang sorry, that's how they had discovered. They should surely men and they are both recording the whole time regarding all Dr Weir being a little big lived, but you can see its it somewhat. The FBI is making valid distinctions re us, but of course people would deny this kind of one hand washes the other sort of stuff so Following this call, the FBI official snow retired got with a senior FBI executive who was responsible for determining classification, and they decided that it was in fact classified secret. The way it was supposed to be so I fear I guy goes back to the state department. Contact yes, and he says, look it's classified. Will we looked at

twice and exposed to stay secret air. We can't change it and it wasn't. Change remains classified today. The FBI concludes, and you can see this on their own website, although there was never a quid pro quo. These allegations were nonetheless referred to the appropriate officials for review, so they said, look we know nothing went down, but just to keep our nose clean. We asked some other people to look at it because, with the FBI were apolitical, we do our job. They do their yeah end to be fair. There was no quid pro quo in this instance of these, changes there. We that became public, be very careful that that I, by re nobody come on. That's that's always proven right worries, that's all the F b I says

right. There are other alleged activities. Other allegations, the same group, the seven for group or cooling foreshadow government has been accused of censoring official reports of interfering with special investigations of providing diplomatic security or protection for certain individuals, shielding them from criminal charges and a lot of this a lot of stuff once you get into the providing protection and diplomatic security and stuff. Controversial people, often those are going to come from, buys source, strict, see the Washington examiner examiner. If you wish, you can find something on that and if you search for Hilary officials cut criticisms out of State department reports, you will find it and you can read all about it- You can also why you re in those reports. You can go back to what we have kept going back to

which is the FBI confirming at least maybe not seeing that they believe this exists by confirming that they spoke with people who do then it exists today. Who casually mentioned that it's the seventh floor group know it's the shadow government, its fine, it's fine! Why is the Irish? No, I don't know what happened. The fact that I have heard so their target of our. So this is. This is not quite where it ends, but we do have some conclusions. First, goose offer swinging directly to Guccifer, maybe maybe for maybe maybe two into the podcast would love to hear from. You According to your time, the hacker who use this name, Gucci Fur coined the coin: the moniker to combine the style of gucci in the light of Lucifer

turned out to be a guy named Marcel. Their whole lives are forty three year old, former taxi driver, as at the time when employed, he did not have expertise in computers. He didn't have any fancy equipment or attack. He just. Had an old Samsung cell phone and in any see desktop and all the skills used and hacking. According to the official reports he picked up on the web, so he was not as far as we know, some high level secret state actor near yeah. According to the official sources, laser is not about net king or whatever, but most of the emails providing the impetus for that. Second,

investigation turned out to be duplicates of stuff. They found the first time around so in that second investigation there wasn't apparently that much new stuff, and that lends a little bit of credence to that October. Surprise theory: cuz, he's getting the timing, you couldn't have planned it better right, but the group appears to have been disbanded by Donald Trump's administration, this infamous seventh for shadow government group on February 17th, two thousand and seventeen CBS. Much of the seventh floor staff who work for the deputy secretary of State for management and resources. These titles, man and the counselor offices were told today that their services were no longer needed, so be greeted in other articles of the time where the headlines, something like Rex, till her sudden kicks out seven for group or fire, bunch of diplomats and the State Department did encounter approach that yeah, but who knows of their v v seventh floor group right or word,

maybe the people just met up on the seven. For me, They lived on the fourth floor. I hate right, it's weird because some of us listening are convinced, there's much more to the story. Some listless near a convinced. It's it's! It's just media theatre solely men to discredit someone ripe men. It was a very divisive issue. Then to a degree it store divisive issue today. What's, oddly enough, several of the original media reports have been deleted. The f, I vote. Files literally don't exist unless you go to the Wayback machine right, but is not to be too much for devils advocate, but Couldn T Fbi clean out the way back wishing if they wanted to.

Maybe over those hours, DNS acre do probably Gucci for the Wikipedia page was also scrubbed. If you go in the talk is really interesting thing about Wikipedia witches, maybe not someone, articles themselves. But if you look at Wikipedia you're going to see, two taps will see you tab at the top left with the article and a tab. Just to the right of that called talk right and talk is where the editors of Wikipedia the contributors of Wikipedia argue about whether or not something should be an article or something should be included in that article. Wikipedia is a world at war because numerous numerous debates of geopolitical sandwiches, you know, tragedies the

All sorts of things are currently being furiously edited by one person or another, with differing views in the case of thee, Wikipedia page from what we found The reason given for its deletion was that there were not multiple primary sources, so they say I need any more than one source near for this day, even be entertained as the truth, but you can still find it in that Fredericks Trusty way back machine. That's right! I think that's agree. T shirt idea by the way is now mine is archival. Work it's true answer, so the FBI does appeared, confirm the existence of this group, while not confirming that they cooperated with him. There is. There was a real shadow government, or at least a real group, referred to as the shadow government and

currently no longer work for the State Department, but it leads us to the end of today's episode and a question, a disturbing question. Even if this wasn't that big of a deal there are still a group of people there, we're not elected officials. There were handed the hanging out in you know, someplace, making decisions about why you and I and everyone, listening as the public. It's here or know about an elected official. How many other groups like that exist that are gatekeepers of information for the public that are maybe making bigger decisions even than that about geopolitics, about foods, we'd about the types of polyester, mixed clothing? We get aware how much your dollar is worth, who that's a big one

there are more important than the type of clothing we get to where these all seem pretty important right. Thank you so much for checking out this episode. We we know this would be a little divisive for people who have really dug deep, and this we did give a high level look because we wanted to provide Enough of the view of the forest for us to understand what the seven for group is now why it matters? Why would you would you call yourself a shadow government just even for funds ease Oh, let's see the seems a little danger only. I guess we could do it, but everybody would probably that we're not we're not making moves as representatives of Uncle SAM or for

our exactly in, I would say if you want to keep going down this rapid whole. A great an exciting fun thing to do is to go to the Wikipedia page for the Hillary Clinton email account Diversey and then go all the way down to the bottom and just know after looking at. Talk and all the other stuff go away down. The bottom inch start clicking through sources down their cause. It's crazy! just the amount of media was generated through this scandal. The amount of sourcing that exists on that one wiki page its intense log, Good luck to you enjoy yourself major! You get a drink. And let us know what other examples of shadow governments you have found, not just here in the? U S, but in other countries or in other groups of countries right we

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