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terrible idea, you out no stop. How are you are? You guys may have noticed there. Last week we did a little episode on political conspiracies earlier one of those things I think its politics, religion and money. Those are the three thousand very shouldn't talk about a dinner oil are what we found out in our Youtube comments section in our videos. Specifically in this one comments, alot of people just attacking each other, arguing with each other, and it cannot be made us want to look into this further. Yet exactly it's a great point, we do want to say that we really appreciate, every everybody who took the time to check out or Youtube video ended. Ago out earlier, audio episode We were surprised you guys, we we thought we would get just excoriated in common system, how about political things A lot of people seemed pretty on

were gather alot of people just disagreeing with each other in what they writing in the comments, rather than what was actually in the video which you we do try to be as unbiased as we can or to be biased towards the other than our own opinions and swear spectacularly broke the rule, our reality? I think that was the first videos resilience, think it was a first by but be there as it may met. The point you make is excellent and we're going get to some listener feedback later regarding our political stuff, so stay tuned for that toward the end. But the point that is making now is We saw arguments We saw a lot of work and we started thinking why Do people argue online? Where is it like they were always a couple. People who are no matter what the video is. What historians is always like? One or two people are fighting and it could be

These are as like. A cute overweight cat who is pushing a cop off the table, or like a puppy that is booming. Another puppy and there's. Somebody in the comments is always going like hey you buddy exactly The river ranges pretty widely and it's a weird thing right. You know where I found some of the most just completely They had cantankerous arguments online, where's, your on local newspapers, websites, so especially in the south, as people have attendance, To really are let their confederate flags fly shall we say here? That is a weird thing. I noticed that in looking up a couple articles in in smaller newspapers online, the comet sex That you have to go all the way down the page to find our just filled with people, yelling and saying horrible things to each other. Trial are honoured I mean who goes there too? Like have a discussion? Will it's like you

Spoke a word open MIKE night, the only people who going to watch are also the people who want to perform. Ah people, very, very good, announced its kind of cruelty spoke. Were I M a fan of spoke a word that MR reality, much true of any kind of open like night for the most part, I mean, if you ve, got tat someone playing acoustic guitar. Sing. A man governor, I may a sort of a contract. You know you ve got it so the other, the other people during about doing covers, would for you get your turn. Do you? ray and stand up open magnates for comics are tough, because you know comic hate to laugh at each other's jokes on it's funny. It's like into a church where everyone is angry how wonderful together, so why? Why why? Why do we do this? Well, it's question this makes us think, because we must explore the sure of an argument itself before we get to the strange world of arguing on? Why so then,

Your argument is this Matt know me are, every guess tells you ve ever had you listening here and every single person you have ever met from Thirdly, a ninety nine percent, certain everywhere you ve ever met is hard wired to cries incorrect over incorrect, yellow very important distinction right there Chemical reasons for we're going get into biologist is a. Then you need to know in evolutionary reasons as well, so everyone's had some sort of argument. It doesn't matter who you are. You ve had some sort of argument. One of the nicest people I know is a local, Alina, improvised, nay, more Kendall Super nice guy, but it doesn't matter if he would never himself start an argument. He lives in an argumentative world right. So I think of you,

the nicest person. You know we're probably had an argument at some point right here in my roommate Frank for example, and the funny thing is, is he and I both used to live with mutual friend of ours? Who is just Yves DE lives for arguing? He will he will make his point. We'll never back down from it, no matter what information you throw him he's, never wrong and he's good at it because he's it makes you feel like, You have to meet his burden of proof, and then he constantly is just like raising the bar flattened, it's very clever and its infuriating, but you can't but engage when he when he does the new players Ranger Games, you, and so you know, Frank's got a little bit about every now and then we'll begin anything I'm afraid as he will back down, but sometimes it will be like you know, maybe something missing. This is the link to the song. I might not have rightly african and coming back and forth around that, eventually someone a look it up

and that history hinges on history, hinges on arguments. Arguments have caused wars. Arguments have caused changes of government arguments have propelled some of the great. Innovations of our species and those those we can group under rivalries- more so rightly Edison in Tesla, for instance, if they didn't. Such enormous abiding can, for one another? Would they have explored acknowledging the way they did. I think the answer is no. I think they would have explored something differently argument is not necessarily bad. Every has it. This is we haven't you recently when you were when you doing something else between the time you listen to allow show in the time ever see now you may have argued over something less pressure. So what what do you do? How do you handle this? When this happens? Do you embrace conflict her or does? Even the thought

of an awkward social situation. Send you into anxiety land, like our mark core again on peep show. No, which is again, I think nor mentioned did earlier Maya he's. My speech. Is your spirit at least you're, not just so. Despite the name homo sapiens, modern wise person, we are biologically ill equipped for the times in which we live. We are bade him axes in Blu Ray world, which is totally inaccurate. I just like it sounds. Today's episode is brought to you by IBM for businesses around the world. Today is an a restart. It's a rethink! That's why they're partnering with IBM retailers are keeping this. Up as millions of orders move on mine Hunters are using IBM Watson to manage an influx of customer questions with a sigh and solution. Built on the IBM Cloud- are helping doctors care for patients remotely today were rethinking how business moved forward. So, let's get to it. Let's put smart towards

is it IBM dot com? Slash smart to learn more though we're part these days was sharing so Geico we'd like say thanks. Thanks for sharing your savage dance moves, sharing your d. I why haircut fails thanks for sharing your inner lips ink star now it's our turn to share with the Geico give back ten percent credit on car and motorcycle policies for current and new customers, because we committed for the longer the fifteen for credit last your full policy to visit guy. That comes less, give back for more info and eligibility. I like it runs out The technology is outdated. Hurry. The funny thing is, I mean they're, almost both there's a visa to give a blue razor, also outdated, guided. Yes, the thing is that the

evolution of our technological capability and the evolution of our social dynamic across the world. They leave, they ve outpaced the biological, evolution of biological adaptations that made human beings. So suited to that fight or die brutal. The ancient natural world in which we live. We evolve hardly an physically to outrun. Outfit with predators and monsters in the world around us. However, now in a different world, the threats aren't so much. You know tiger coming. Yeah, let's say or a bear, that you have to fend off to say family or something there much more slow there. They're, more existential there on paper a lot of times. What are some of the terrors of the matter, oh for people in developed countries. We should say there there.

People are well off that things are alike. Leaving a legacy? I didn t right. Do I have enough he's hoodies that I like me now move on and have to wash them all the time can I get the tickets for that answer. Are they only that? Are there only bad tickets left? there are real adds to the ones that are coming up like in the current political move, what they were saying in, like how'd, you get its function right, even though it that's a large costs. And is something that affects all of us that we have to think about. But it's not something that we can. Then you can fight against that you can fight or flight It's also than anything is becoming more and more part of potentially part of. Only concern is threats of you know it. Staring resembling I'm assuming do them our culture for a long time, but for me personally and also having

a child. I feel like it's definitely more in the forefront of my mind, like ours. We political events last year, standing in line and the thought occurred to me going in, like you know what that someone could try to slowly up. This could be it Very strange could never have I thought before, and it was very like a marked kind of moment like ok, I guess this is brain works man, but that is how our brains have always handled old around us as a constant as a cost background noise of threat music unit. Music that plays in Kill bill right before the brow. God knows anything. Your brain is always on some level playing music at a very low level, but it's because our hard wiring, however antiquated it is, God is here. I been that way, so it was Very very useful in the past is still used.

Otherwise we wouldn't have it. What this means is that brains, treat every Innocuous argument like it could potentially be a fight to the death. So so. For instance, what's what's the most with emotion, iqs argument, like the domicile thing to argue with someone about like if you guys were arguing, had an argument one time about shoes, I was I d say: shoes, yeah I'll fire that was later that was them was the knock your argument. I could have thought of mutual friend of ours brie, and I got into a huge area one time about the need for new, like really pensive shoes. About how I only had one pair of shoes. That was exactly the thing that I was going to say. It will see the ego. That's weird as a group mindful models, give you a hypothetical, oh gosh. Have this argument, but really gonna be what it was version.

Also, okay. So even if it's this question about new exclusive Jordan's or if it's a question about what's, shoes are best suited to what sort of event writing I, ultimately, if you have horse in the race for ever badger in the bag. On this, when then you, you are rain is going to treat it as though it potentially we'll be a situation where one where you have the thunder dome it, and one of you is going to die and it's an unconscious thing. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why stuff they don't want. You to know is covering the topic of argument, because it's not the kind of thing we would usually copper right, yeah. It's I think, falls in line really well with the deceptive brain series them yet, and that's because the question is always who are they in this context, well, friends and neighbors. Ladies and gentlemen, future potential, our foes. This is the video how you feel about Jordan's this

situation. Where that they are you release, you bring your brains and the ancient Eldridge processes that compel us to mistake our programming for free will and now we know that the game is rigged with regular arguments. Let's take it a step further know anymore the technology. What is it like when you argue with someone that you'll never have to mean real life. Jim together, the story really quick story to tell and it I think, matches up of the real world and then the avatar that you are when you are speaking or typing online. It kind. So there's a scheme and ninety. Ninety seven, when I was a middle school, called Ultima online and it was because a new game- and you do all these things. While I spent way too much time playing this game, a character to seven ex gm wish

mean is seven times grandmaster you have on. You have seven skills that around one hundred which takes forever, and I, we're talking six to eight months that I spent on this one character and about a boat I got all this house as I was right and high back in middle school. They all man. This is awesome so anyway, they made a change to the game where answer spaces, you weren't, safe anymore. Someone could take things from you pocket. You write more even attack you and the guards com or anyway, I have picked up. It and my boat got stolen with all my stuff. Basically was gonna rage quit the game there is. This function is inside the game, where you could call a a gene. The game master. Also, GM, that's weird but anyway, you could call them and it was a human sitting at their computer. Who is right, hoping roamed the game. Who would come the character and talk to you and this

Roger came up, and I basically as little kid was arguing for about twenty five thirty minutes, yelling with vitriol. How could this happen? I spent all this time. I love this game. Please get my boat back. Help me, this sucks and then I said awful things that this person, because only so furious died. I don't you remember exactly when I wrote to the guy, but it was just in time Coming up in a little bubble above my characters. Will that's important. Remember too, is do you, there's no context in text seems funding to say I mean you know it's like you just comes, like you, you have one side of the meaning of the words because you're missing an entire incredibly important component, which is your body the tone of your voice, the sound of her voice, the aspirations of your volume up and down things like that, and what have you been talk with their hands in the event of a whole? New ones is missing from online conversation and it can work both ways it can either.

You come off his extra mean more in older people get confused, maybe you're saying something was meant to be a joke and if you heard her say it in their voice, it would be very clear. There are being sarcastically was a joke, but when you type it down and there's none of those nuances very easy to mistake it as someone Vienna, jerk. No, that's one of the primary differences between starling interactions versus real life interactions. Another one would be that everyone in an online interaction, has the ability, pretend to be more knowledgeable than they are by opening another tab. You google your fingertips, especially now back when I was on dial up on a well, that's how I was connecting to getting both back here too. No, I didn't I get my back Indeed, I a lot about like you

I was in an area that Burma has been hiding for that, but it is forty, though, how I transferred my anger in my range men from that guy from the person, so myself to this game, who had nothing to do with a yak really is Evelyn of yelling at someone Like Comcast customer support is exactly that actually has nothing to do with it. It's just my job to help out, but you're view. I can't deal with you then I would say that's a little bit different because the person who is bearing the brunt of the frustration was paid to be there and was not currently telling you that you had to have better shoes or something absolutely so, what because we are, as we said, hardware for survival. Let's look a little bit at what what happens in these online arguments. When you situations with high stress fear or

suspicious there's a woman called quarters all which floods, your brain and when this happens over all the cool cognitive hoods in the front, your brain, like all the other, hit new up and coming areas, evolution, airily speaking, they don't function, well. These are the executive functions there like strategy, trust, building, empathy, compassion and instead of no favour parts of the brain kicks in matters the amygdala this is part. That makes a choice about how best to protect the body. In this thing, which is very a part of your brain is the one that as our look body. We are very close to lose it all this and is dangerous. Dangerous game of russian roulette they'll be confused with a pleasant conversation

we have several choices. We can fight, possibly through the death. We run as fast as we can. We can freeze, or we try to kiss, thereby, I don't know why I don't know it all work better. For you, for your brain, usually is gonna, say, fight or flee lady. I like that idea of a strategic but kiss that your brain decides to make and in this is just for arguments when you, when you're arguing with someone you don't know that well, you don't have that much of a stake in there. You know it's this, argument were made no meet some in line to grab, lunch or something just say something very offensive. Then you sail the hold on, though that's that's not that's not true. Actually, because Papa I go there

birdy over here the pants on this guy. We give the pants on this guy big boy pants. I love the idea that all the sudden everything just stops in time, nor turns around and ages here that and also needs a fight to the death. What is that STAR Trek either tells me calling all my bearded compatriots a girl. I knew you guys travelled impacts. I ought to say exactly what a prejudice, the Ito open with my prejudices, Exchequer that ITALY Are there always those other eleven guys hang in there waiting for you can't tell I've literally never seen you walking in a pack of less than twelve bearded men. You know their safety in numbers, my friend, I guess so more slowly than it looks good idea to find more out here, will have dared to different just what you do. You describe your beard out a little bit in the Navy. Welcome you in I don't know. Man alone, over many ok go trader

so but let's say legal and act as a political situation. No, let's see that you are in a long standing argument, a deep seated rivalry. Those arguments with that has contain for some reason for years and years and years and will never reach a conclusion fact its further and further away from a conclusion you have liked Edison, Tesla kind of deep seated, deep, seated discussed for one another. Well, It turns out your brain functions in an even stranger way. At that point, now your brain, has gone from sort of betraying you by making you a little bit dumber to a little bit less rational, more fair way to say it. To give you a little bit of something might be like a mad mad genius superpower. So, in this Eddie at University College of London, a guy named professor simmer Zackie, and the brains of seas, test subjects as

Looked at photos of someone they hated and I still don't know how they got these photos, you, yes, the birth. I hate this person must have been celebrities or something like that. I don't know they hate. Well, I mean the method, Energy is in the study very sound, so professors he found that everyone's brain her. What he called a hate circuit, and it takes three regions, disappear frontal gyros, the Putin and the media will ensure the active in these regions correlated experience of hate. So if someone says you like, oh, I know who celebrity Ryan Gus. Ok. So if someone says you know, I don't hate Ryan Gosling, you can check to see they're telling the truth by showing them a picture, Rang Gosling and seeing if the superior frontal jurisprudence and the media insular, I have a higher level of activity. That means they hate this guy. I really want you to someone in the three really do you

Brian Gosling known or no hold on all the necessary equipment, and in this the circuit is distinct. It includes parts of the Cortex sub cortex. Generate aggressive behaviour and translate this into action through motor planning, which means like A very small individual size version of war games were, you know, modeling strategic modeling. If then, right, if they swing first, I'm an a duck, the other, put our foot up in their growing or something like that. I have that with a couple kids in middle school because of my darkness, like the Euro area, kids, the that you you think about. How am I going to react if you, a boy. I guess somebody that due to guess ever have something like that were year. You have planning on. How am I going to interact with this person next time and if then, in order, you keep yourself,

and being bullied? Yes, yes, like a good singer together, like I guess, what a Y a comedian words to be a comedian at a young age right, that's the kind of thing! Yes, this This is something I am sure a lot of people do and you listeners we're collectively a pre, diverse group The three of us here in the studio everybody out there, listening in writing in helping us find the next episode of a show. So some of you are doubtlessly in middle school right now, we're high school right now, maybe I don't think there's any by younger than middle school age. Listening to the show, so some of who are in maybe middle school. I swore right now and in Europe, where you ve seen this kind of stuff happen before I hope you, bullying. Anybody else. Have you not being bullied, but It is a. It is a true still and it's one of those abstract

cognitive superpowers that separates humanity from most, but not all other animals in here thing about when you really hate someone we did this in a desert Brain Series. I, when you're in love, you have learned activity in the parts, your brain they have objectivity and judgment, so you ve seen what are your friends date? Someone who's The absolute peace, a garbage Oh no, you know down of inner Samir their whatever is just go. July there they need a little money, but their hearts in the right place in you know they. They love their three kids, but they can't talk to him because there actual, and I give you Donna, Mynors Mather whomever doesn't sell the most open up character right now. I don't know I love him You know I love her or whatever I think revolving in those situations

and was another copy mechanism that your brain sort of you now circumvents common? a rational, rational thought. By allowing you explain away some of these. Should these pretty deal breaking shortcomings even though the circuit for heat is distinctly has little bit in common

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a song that change the world. That was the Tipp started me on the story, and it only got crazier from their listen to wind of change, a new original series for Pineapple Street studios, crooked media and spot. Brains experiencing hate, retain activity in the objectivity and judgment areas, which means you are better prepared not only to plan your next move but to calculate the next move of your opponent. This does not happen when you are, arguing with some random stranger in the internet. This happens the people that you hate, so if you have this kind of experience, it can keep you smart. Which, in terms that maybe cunning Isabel word right, so Does this apply online? We video earlier we talked about why you cannot win arguments online. You know, I'm sure, they're loads of works out your listening everything

like I used to think well, I did actually when several arguments online then so you know you about it check out euro check. It email right, forget this thread However, I know you named one of the biggest reasons that its difficult argument on line when you said a body language right sure, body language is missing, yeah house, I think that let me that there's no moderate moderator in an online arguments till I mean everyone kind of walks away feeling the same way as they did when they went in and out like. I I'm whenever really gets their mind, changed and there's no neutral third party through to say you know, acts or why won the debate is not about mudslinging did, it devolves usually entered his personal insults because essentially you're missing more than half of what people are actually saying when you cut out the ability to enter.

Their body language, their intonation, the sound of their voice, like I was saying her, oh yeah, let's get into this because there there's a little bit of myth pursuant we need to do, but there is also a little bit of regulatory stuff regained. We need to show people Europe, because we have some numbers on this thing. You ve probably heard this before, research shows only about forty percent of what we actually saying matters. People are paying more attention to your body, language cetera. Lately, that's actually been amended pretty significantly to say. Fifty five percent of communication is actually body language. Thirty eight percent is the tone of voice and seven percent, while you are usually seven, the actual word, so I guess it is this measure up. Let's look at this. The history behind these numbers there often quoted and the percentages are often misunderstood, they come from. A guy named Albert Nairobi in our new European is responsible for

this breakdown right and if he were He did a lot of research detailing the importance. Non verbal communication channels rate, because we ve seen people who speak very. Seldom leave what the rest but they are still being very talkative for lack of a better terms. And in the ways in which they carry themselves right. We we have a couple of co workers who speak rarely lag is still communicate very well This actually comes. This number comes from two different research studies, both in the sixties and they combined together to mine by that sixty percent nonverbal forty percent verbal thing into the fifty five. Thirty eight and seven

because they figured out that intonation does matter that much sarcasm still is very difficult for people to read books. Text alone. There are some ways that you can get around some of this or chasm in some of those things now. I know on like twitter particular they have actually come up with emotion. When you're being sarcastic, you throw the emerging somewhere in the message which is kind of. Interesting way that communication is being is evolving. I think eventually there will be something that you'll be able to denote Sarka. Simply by with a click or slightly lily, I mean- or you know, for example, using an exclamation point where an exclamation point was missing. A second might come off his demure or, like sounding like Are you not very enthusiastic about something? But if he had that exclamation point, maybe two or three that you're chatting with their texting live in our nose,

you're being a bit about something I mean, there's all kinds, little workarounds, not to mention all the emerges that now we have access to just like through me now androids in life but that is that is, if the other person that you're speaking with understands those symbols and those messages that you're trying to get across because ultimately is just characters, and this leads into something interesting bit of history, which I'll probably pitched too hot, and trace your add, stuffy missin history classroom are pure podcast. There have been, numerous attempts to create punctuation, characters that denote stuff like an inn euro, which is a question mark Also an exclamation point. Irony mark or a more to donate sarcasm. These haven't really caught on. So at this point, we're stuck with clarity of communication, the big missed

standing about this fifty five, thirty eight seven rule is that it is hard and fast rule all the time. That's that doesn't make sense, because people community, so differently across the world. What, does show us is that in any instance, I do what, How you're saying what you're saying? What you're doing your body, while you say it, matters way more than people may think. Also intent has a lot to do with their like freezing an internet troll is is communicating for the sole purpose of rising people. Up, though, not only will they use language in phrasing in such a way that will ruffle people there actually being very pointed and targeted, and in what they're saying in creating these humanity threads and a lot of times, you'll see message boards were in others. Somebody on there and, as I later identified as a troll. Only after like people kind of react and say: oh you Eddie above, and why are you so full of about and then someone we like guy old and x Y see,

thousand sixteen got share whatever in earth. Meme it's a thing. You see it all the time and there a little bit different. In there in the chemical processes that occur in the brain during trolling, because it's not the point. To win an argument the boy is to derive some There are sort of cathartic thing, that's true italian! Do you think people enter into my arguments really believing that they're going to win like did? Do you think we deluded. Those into believing that were actually have a chance of changing someone's mind, sometimes sometimes one thing that I think leave and be more common is when people are Ok, so imagine a person is like a cup and the fluid that a person is filled up with is a belief it may be. That belief is something like the best. Your game ever was gta or that

jazz music stinks, except for this one hour right so were that you know my religion is right. If we want to go to that point, so this person, this culture is filled with. This is fluid of belief. This fluid you know, like any other fluid, adheres to the conforms to the shape of its container and then when it overflowed Being a that happens in the news. That's like an ice cube person dropping in raises the fluid, and then it starts to pore over into the outside world. So I'm trying to be very kind when I say this, but my instincts says the often people just who expressed the thing they already believe then think critically about it. So maybe maybe you ve grown hearing that The only real metal is cradle of filth, right. Ok,

I don't want to get in trouble the metal audiences. Just your of argument, so you as a cup have been filled this thing this is only metal is cradle of filth. The only metal is cradle of filth, sort or another murder fluid. Yes, he had in and by going out and saying it Langdon proper, like just go out in the world and some even a vicious on a little online. For some are saying that is it's almost like you're trying to reinforce your own belief Yes and you and your team, The fine, like minded people, see guys crossed it together and say the only metal is greater than the only metal is cradle of filth and The reason this the reason is happens in this is a very crude analogy, but The reason this happens is because of kind of a try, ballistic pact mentality, and we much more like God we're much. More the sizing creatures than we are. General thinkers, so we take stuff. That is all

existed in our cup, and we just let the cup overflowed with you. I mean we are not actually making the thoughts in many cases, so You can also see these online arguments are very impassioned as proxy wars because someone who didn't actually event the thought just heard so much they believe was true heard it so much? They believed it was true. They they end up. Just being kind of allow puppet of a pre existing opinion to another puppet of a pre existing pinion and it's a sad thing, but its reality. Another reason you can't win a lot of arguments on. Why is that the act of arguing tends to reinforce this pre existing opinions, So if I am a copy, I'm overflowing with the only metal was cradle of filth and then make you or you know, all you listeners say well technically, I looked up the definition of metal and why, cradle of filth. Maybe your favorite of this gene,

and its many sub genres, it is factually it you to say that it is the only example. So confronted with the facts, what would I do. What we have those those three options from earlier the night for actually raise peace. I don't know people who peas, it's rare, for people to roll over and show their belly and online and ragged, because she'll, be there such anonymity and workers what brings in my hand, and a guy named Jason Rifle discovered. They discover something they called the backfire effect, which means that. You guys had like a medal intervention with me and said: here are several other betel albums. Furthermore, here's amalgams, if you like cradle of filth, Europe, oddly, enjoy immensely and if I still thought that same thought just running like at your word through my hand,

then, what I would end up doing is saying no now goes wrong or not and you don't know what you're talking about your offensive you stupid down vote. Like I said in the fighting, It is like you know you get over that stuff online. I guess you'll enjoy trying to be a friend by you know if a body of yours cap having that way, you probably find him buddy. You know in December that same everyone has to be the same, but when people disorder Aren't we close binding clause To any other possibilities other than what they believe to be the case, if it is not only find to talk to you know, it is not and even if, your and arguing that killed, your quick announced by certainly is arbitrary, is the cradle of filth. Is the only metal. It's me we think of a count. The concept that thoughts, can be viral or are you know, aid in Rome, irises mimetic, yeah yeah?

some of the kind of takes me back to the invisible and filth, and some of them were Magritte Morrison, just some of the ideas, if you have a father is dangerous enough and you are able to spread it. The thought itself is a thing that is dangerous, not whatever comes up right does a thought. Function is essentially in being yeah. It's it's it's an interesting idea, something that we ve talked about affair, which you know I would love to. I would love to explore and future episode to because we're all we're already at to sit in this situation, where the evidence, the truth, whatever something might be, doesn't sincerely matter. The backfire effect is related to confirmation bias. Confirmation bias, of course, where, if you think yourself as a sceptic and you say: did you think of self sceptic, then you should be saying. I I am interested to hear about this. You have a report, will see what

anything is anomalous about it, many people who can. Views themselves who sceptics practice, confirmation, bias and say aliens real. Where I heard the term conspiracy. Theory. Therefore, whatever follows after this is automatically wrong. If anything that the opposite of scepticism so in a situation where the evidence the truth, doesn't necessarily matter when people on it conversation from closely held personal values like religion or politics to vary. Literary stuff like Anchor May one verses: income, IRAN to or Pepsi versus Coke or whatever. What we find is it again, our brains are hard wired to pray, feeling corrects over being even their night. Even. There is not really a correct answer, lay guy, I don't know yet. I feel that if it's a soda, it's a soda, it's a soda. You may have your favorite, but I don't think there's an inherently

superior one. What's he said at the beginning to it did for different keen argument being this function, all kind of fence mechanism, where you are actually protecting yourself against something now it's almost more like a sport. You know and that's certainly, how people treated online a lot of time in its definitely, you are trying to get that I guess dopamine release that comes from the satisfaction of feeling like you have one or you are right now, even if you are an almost do its benefits you submit ignore. The fact that you're not right here then uses only a video there. I thought was fantastic. You're like this the idea of being right is it is addictive and so much so that it is a drug that you the feeling of being All the time would be such an all, encompassing feeling that you would want to chase and chase and chase. You said it would be like if your cornea west, like that

of everything I say I believe, is right. And it doesn't matter what aerial says. I believe that he's right now, so I was trying to imagine without feel. Like leaves you constantly. You guys are both on point way, we're getting to this very important thing here that we can become fizzy physically addicted to this dopamine and adrenaline rush opening triumph that occurs when you think I am right There are no, you listen at EU level is cradle of filth, doping. I mean I mean dizzy, it's it's a strange thing and again you know unjust, mentioning cradle of or metal for the sake of argument. Damn you were all stars now, the Dover meter. We need saving face merrily Marilla Manson. So when

Yes, when you argue when you play ear, brain rather floods with these different chemicals and they even make you feel invincible, the next time you were in a tense situation. Your brain remembers right. Your brain says: let's fight, we all need, If we run we'll get the rush fight for the rush, yet, let's say. I must say that all of us, listening to all of us on the show now say that each of US as some sort of amazing revelation We are able to transcend these things, and we say you know what you guys I'm sorry! I was being such a piece of crap about it. It was cartoonish that I believed there was only one metal banned in the world. In retrospect, it's weird, procedures for being so honest with me and listen,

to me. I apologize. Let me take it I out to David Busters, see that we were all capable of doing that. Well, There's still another problem. Another reason that you may not be able to win arguments online because chances of finding an argument finding a contradicting opinion, even if its correct lowering continued rate, we're talking about something called the search bubble. So what what this is a thing you may have noticed recently. When you're just on Google or really any other search bar on Facebook or some other social media network that use what skinning supply to you too. Feed, or to your search results more and more its being customized for you for what you ve searched for in the past, for what you like,

On Facebook in particular, or what you, what you by even a lot of times, is matched up with her. Cards, which is a little bit creevy in it. Meaning because mostly advertisers won't you to have what you want, and, no in that's getting into maybe even places where your new sources, its of new sources, underneath feed are going to be different, he say even non sponsored posts like just normal things that you like that, come up in your feet, reorganising, we ordered based on your browsing day yes, that's really creepy They are that's. Why you're that's why you're signed into Google I in Europe? chrome or something like that? You're results are going to be different than if you are just not signed in anywhere and using do oh using Google Chrome I on a different future and hear how dramatic these differences can become. You can use a search engines that strip some of the poorest

information that Google uses there's doctor Google and you'll, see The search results you get do differ almost regardless of what you look up. Yeah do it scares me sometimes when I type in stuff somewhere. Computer and then stuffing. I want you know, show some also man, oh wait. Oh I so dizzy TED talk. You can watch about this if you're interested in learning more by Fellow named Eli, Paris, surprise her author of a book called the filter, I'll, take others personalized search. So, as they say in excellent article on you are not so smart dot com, the media of the future may be delivered based not only on your preferences right. Whatever you looked up, yes Eve. An incognito mode. He'll, it will be

to be based on your voting record your medical records. Where grew up your projected mood the time today the time of year, maybe even information glean from your text message conversations right, even public records like Perhaps how much you make if you work in a public has, as you apply for a loan recently getting dental work. Why yet did you make an usual purchase the biggest one. Are you to have or have already had a baby recently I don't know man, another big one that makes me uncomfortable is when I see when I'm hanging out with a friend. And for some reason it almost always. What are my female friends is isolated. You have a lot of ads for engagement rings and islands in that it seems to me that so unfair, because we already live in a society that tolerates pushing people to do

ritualistic things that may be don't even applying our society. This point it is a form of, is it. As if how from space out to see two thousand one decide tat pastor you to the point and bullying Let me crazy. I know it is not the best but hey. Maybe it's all wrong right now maybe we can just maybe we can be better. Maybe we can have rational this course throw those old. So dynamic rules. What do you think, Maybe it s not? therefore, in our eyes are pretty abysmal. You think we can avoid pass the physiological limits of the brain and break free of algorithms that keep us from discovering things that may change, your view of the world has we're all made of star stuff. After all, I don't know you right, maybe your odds, don't look good, but I think there are

there are older pieces of our you I'll, take a page from run, Hubbard spot and call it cognitive technology. The socratic method is an excellent way to explore differing opinions. Of course time. One of people have a lot of people. When you're in an argument online. I don't know was, there is a fear of play. This game is kids, where you're like yet invisible guns. You remember this this game check. Oh we're, gonna pick two. Whatever the thing that happened That is like a fair play in this, If you're not in a family like yours, met and your play, visible guns when you notice a lot of people say. Oh you and then summons. I didn't know you didn't yeah, that's what internet argument is its imaginary bullets, Waggery weapons and people are expecting lay the honor system on who got shot. So, of course, I don't think it's gonna work out

These are things to keep in mind, and we would like to hear what you think about the strange ways in which our brains deceive us and forces to think that we are living in a different era, the way which one of the main conspirators in your quest for any actual thing. Any truth, maybe and inside job. Maybe the person in between your ears, all along, then it's not your fault, these are processes older then, civilization dear We need to find a way to suppress the amygdala then, but I feel like that, terrible would be an awful world to live in No, I don't I'm sure people have conducted experiments like that. You are we. Do you know that it does change brain? showing you reduce electrical activity, one part of the brain, even using external source like tedious,

which still is somehow it's not illegal guy, will sell me Y know I'm an after just build one, and we can do and probably gonna get myself brain damage, but I'm gonna do it. Anyhow, Owen if you know of a t, see tat he c s advice please yes, and what our way right somewhere away, but before we go it's time for some food, and some listener male listener may listener. Man now is tambo. This listen up, so we had a lot of feedback from our plan. Conspiracy episode and we had some differing views that we wanted to share with share with nobody else listening, and there were also a couple things that I won't to amend or corrections which were grateful for all these. So Kelly M rode into us and read a portion of this letter, because

I want to take a look at. This tallies talking specifically about them where I can win on a red button personal opinion I would again Nolan we thank you for full him back from the ledge are now and so Kelly Kelly, says slice show, I don't usually have a reason to write into pie cast, but something was said during this episode that frustrated me. I apologize vote later in the pike, has felt the need to separate the email before finishing the pie cast causes Frere forget. If I waited, it was stated that should be a law that, if someone in your immediate families in politics, you cannot the same or similar office, I think that's just what was said Correct me. If I'm wrong, my problem with this is that the way it was discussed in the Pike Ass was from a very white male viewpoint. Historically, those rules, Political office have been white men all parts of the World Certainly? U S, Canada, Western Europe Fisher. So if

proposed law, where an actual law in this country, it would disproportionately affect women who are seeking public office. It would be much more difficult for the all of a fifty fifty representation, the house in a White House, etc to actually happened. The women who are using familial connections to get into these positions of power are paving the way for other women who do not necessarily have these connections. Why I agree with family dynasties do not line up with the idea of America being an autocracy meritocracy, let's be real. Can we really call America a meritocracy anymore? And I thought you that's that's just a piece if Kelly's letter, but we talked about this affair, and I wanted bring this to the rest of our audience in oh ears Thinking overplayed strike because, in my opinion, it was that the argument is that the evil of, capitalism is a lesser evil in comparison to the grave.

Evil of massage any and prejudice against women in the positions of power or equality right, but the the assumption I see here is that there is the idea that, by virtue of being women people who are women in our like tv and this means will in apparently or inevitably or necessarily help someone who is outside of that circle. I dont know that's a lot like trickle down economics as I while I see I see the opinion respected, I'm a little, I'm a little more sceptical of how How well that would work, but again one of them things that everybody pointed out, including not nor on the pike ass? My tight about this everybody here you two covered we're like well. Where'd. He go with this law, then, but there's no way to enforce it. To sum up, a moot point, or in I am I

Lee in in after us came out of a long time. I slightly disagree with the law. But I was gonna put forward, one that you have talked about before that I think, is even better. What's out there, set of eliminating eliminating nepotism, familiar means. I think we is to eliminate the ability to hold office if you have ever been in a secret society, Oh yeah! I remember, though, and there was one of those three laws. Where do you think it? I know on the third Sydow depends on how much weight you put behind the particular secrets and what is a secret society, a society which is made a secret from the popular grubby membership. An australian duty, ok seems there like a go without also. We have,

a another. We have another sleigh correction here I had said. I think this was me. We talked about the difficulty for felons to vote in the. U S, It is not true that no felons every vote. In U S elections! It is true that goes. By state, there are eleven states which do allow which are richer how much do not allow those low. However, there are two states that have unrestricted. Heading for felons those are meeting in Vermont where felons can vote imprisoned. Nice work. For my I didn't another and the person to help illuminated, and hopefully you as well sisters with that with that slight correction is drew so you're gonna shout out as well drew. Thank you so much for your time and thanks for checking out the show and. Importantly days for keeping his honest and when

Mention here. I wanted to say thanks to Kelly D, for putting us onto the democracy now at called dark money, that's kind of a deep dive into the brothers and where that money goes and super backs himself, it was. It was cool right now we got anything else? I think I'm gonna goes right. We are going to head off and argue with each other out with all away in real life, I'm already shaking my fist at you are you're, and did you know that and you mad now there's some evidence. The shaking your fists in skylight, better holding it in that Darth Vader oppose increases, pain, tolerance story for it their day. Long women at rather later today still trail today and report back and let us know if works. I do have one thing in Latvia, others where we had Julie Douglas on a couple weeks ago, lessening type boast of life and yet others show has launched an episode that just came out today. According rather

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