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Betty and Barney Hill caught lights in the sky. Two years later, the underwent hypnosis to try and recall what happened. Some took. It is facts. Others thought it was a fantasy, but what really happened that September night in World New Hampshire, join me. Toby ball for the inaugural season of strange arrivals, a co production of Iheart radio in grim and mild from air monkey. Listen to strange arrivals, and I heard radio at an apple pie casts or wherever you get your packets from you at those two psychic powers and government conspiracies history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn this stuff. They don't want you to know hello. Welcome back to the show my name is met our

no only on some adventures, as we record today, they call me, then we are joined with our guest super producer rams. Ram gems, yawned, so say hello to him when you get the chance of. Most importantly, was but you you are here. You are you that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know. I really value starting about me that time does he looked right at me when he said that this year, There should be nothing without you met as numerous, bull, music or pie. Cast reviews have assured us, oh really, I don't know if that's true, but I agree with it. Well, you know what none of us would be, who we are today. If we didn't have a certain playwright, a man that we all call back too, then we all imagine as perhaps the father of,

play his father is at least when I was growing up. I always imagine him is like the way down, one, the one from which all other place that I was reading. Kind of sprung from earliest were were heavily influenced. He's the most well known. That's that's a fact. We are talking fellow conspiracy, realist about Shakespeare, William Shakespeare from star. Further uneven. Do you did you ever acts in shakespearian production? I was never in a fall in production. I did many a scene. Ah yes, yes, what my favorite, I would have to say, came from the tempest It included just a line that has really influenced my whole life. I think what is it? I might paraphrase here, but it is hell, is empty you and all the devil's are here or something to this effect, because all the devil's here, I don't remember exactly his language but I know the paraphrase the path

phrases enough to take convention will take us to that line. I did some Shakespeare's stuff as well. In high school and college, I believe butter passes her the rain. You know things know things were still pretty sure. It happened today, Playwright Williams, sport is widely acknowledged, as one of, if not the most info writers in the english language is, plays, have been read or performed whether in part or in whole, numerous points. Millions attacks across the planet over centuries, yet people are reading this. Their performing parts of it are performing entire productions here in ITALY, to where this podcast is based. There's the Shakespeare Tavern, which we can conventional But later I just want to drop that seed here. Shakespeare was also quite prolific between about Eighteen, ninety and sixteen thirteen he wrote at least thirty seven plays collapse,

it on several more, but who was this man? who is www, shakes? Really and now we're just gonna go ahead and push this little button. It's I don't know who left this button year, but let's just less presence you happens. Guys. I heard you That's gonna Shakespeare was o Jonathan strictly high. That's what But- and here I see- is labelled Strickland yeah, yeah Ngos. I marked out quizzed Eric, as I am sure that both through yeah yeah, so I we have the honour, maybe otters too strong, word too to be playing William Shakespeare at the two thousand nineteen Georgia Renaissance, accessible so as might imagine. I have done my fair share of research into this subject. Well and there's a lot of stuff. I could tell you, but I feel like to really

grasp on. Why William Shakespeare is this person? We we still talk about four hundred years after he last road anything I a recite to you, one of the most famous speeches from Shakespeare in theirs. And right there's to be or not to being, there's two to solid flesh. Those are two speeches about suicide for the same play: famous spirits, but now I'm going to recital one of my favorite speeches in all of Shakespeare from the history of Henry the fifth and it's called the Crispin day. Speech in this is to say the scene. The english army is in France. They are outnumbered five to one. They have been spending the entire previous day, marching their exhausted, whereas the french troops are fresh and just as

the lords of England are are looking out in their feeling a sense of dread there talking with one another about what is to come and one of them Westmoreland It says that he wishes that just ten thousand more Englishmen who are otherwise laying in bed back in England had joined them and the king happens to overhear him, and so this is that's to set this here's the speech I, when, how could we Paul Ramsay till we get? Maybe a nice sound design. He arousing music, what's he that wishes, so my cousin Westmoreland New Home, my fair cousin, if we are marked to die, we are enough to do our country lost and if to live the fewer the men, the greater share of honour crimes? Will I pray the

not one man more by Jove. I am not covetous forego nor care. I who d feed on my cost billions me not if men, my garments where such things will not in my desires, but if it be a sin to covet honour, I am the most offending soul alive now faith. My car's wish, not a man from England. Ups peace. I would not lose so great an honour as one man more methinks which For me for the best hope I have not wish for one more rather proclaimed West Millet through my host that he which had no stomach to this fight

Let him depart his passport shall be made and crowns for convoy put into his purse. We would not die in that man's company that fears his fellowship to die with us. This day is cold the feast of Krispijn. He that outlives this day, and comes safe home- will stand a Tipp toe when this day is named an rouse him at the name of Krispijn He that shall live this day and see old age will yearly on the visual feast. His neighbors and say tomorrow is Saint Krispijn, then will he struck? his sleeve and show his scars and say these wounds I had on Krispijn Day old men Get yet all shall be forgot, but he'll remember with

vantages what feats he did that day, then shall means names familiar in his mouth as household words Harry the king, Bedford, an exit or it can tell but Salisbury and Gloucester be in their flowing, freshly remembered this story. Shall the good man teaches son, and Crispin Krispijn shall never go buy from this day to the ending of the world, but we in it shall be remembered. We feel we be view we

and of brothers for heat a day that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother, be he never so vile this day shall gentle his condition and gentlemen in England. Now a bed shall think themselves a cursed. They were not here and whole bear manhood's, cheap wiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin stay Now here's the by God, here's the thing that really really brings that backs the guy's lead you get a hold for applause, as it has a little bit more power category. That speech, that I mean those Shakespeare, not me that that that speech was all meant, I and roused the troops to fight, and in fact, Westmoreland himself says he turns Westmoreland. As do you want to have someone join us now, investments as if it were just me and you will

take them off as the story unfolds, the French lose thousands and the gosh number there dead at twenty five twenty five thousand, not twenty five hundred twenty five in historically accurate, more or less yes, the battle of asian Corps was: phenomenal battle, in which the English faced overwhelming odds against the French, but they use a lot of interesting tactics, including using the long bow and and hiding essentially kind of guerrilla warfare in the woods to the sides of the battlefield to kind of show her, the French with arrows the layer Everyone has now has yielded turns out a really useful tactic. But this speech, I think, is one of those that, to this day tends to be one of the ones that in England is referred to as a truly patriotic speech. This idea of that

because there are so few of us that actually makes this even more of an honourable action and for those of who do live? Just imagine the stories you're going to be telling your children and there children, and how every one from this point forward will remember that you were here like that's an incredible yeah yeah. At the time will cease to Henry angry. If was written around fifteen denying the iraqi I was it was then, these sectoral second Henriette for Europe the Henry at which is the second for play. Series in his histories and the battle were referring to occurred in fourteen fifteen. Yes, so this is at the time of the first time at stage. This is an historical work. You know what I mean. People were regarding this: in some ways, civil to the way modern audiences regard, things like a world war to film

or maybe the patriot, with MEL Gibson or brave heart, Well, you know something, but not necessarily with no gets envy the english history place from Shakespeare that spans eight plays from Richard, the second to essentially Richard the third yeah, that's that's, oddly enough, Richard the second original third, not back to back, there's a whole bunch of kings and between so the that's where is actually the war, the roses men, their entire sequence of place, and interesting thing to me is that Shakespeare wrote the four plays that represent the end of that Henry, the sixth parts, one two and three and rigid the third. He wrote those earlier in his career and then he wrote the four plays that represent the beginning of the war, the Roses Richard the second Henry, the fourth part one and two and Henry the fifth those he wrote later seek it think that kind of like Lucas, he went back and wrote. The frequency and

like Lucas. We also knew where, where the story had to Indaba mean this was history, although he takes great liberties in his history place. But it was this. This eight series of plays tells you the full history of the Lancaster and the works from the point where it the second abdicates his throne, and gives Henry Bowling Brook who becomes Henry the fourth control of England all the way up to enriching. The third loses the crown and Henry too, The Father of Henry the eighth who in turn was the Father of Queen Elizabeth, his monarch at the time like that that was that full story. So this was a story that allow the English knew very well, and this, this is an excellent set summation or, I would say, a slice of the pie Shakespeare wise again. We have to thank you for that excellent recitation. I we do.

To recommend, if you happen to be in the area that you check out the Georgia Renaissance Festival, Jonathan, I know that I give you a lotta guff affair, because it makes to do so, and I am not going to stop. I can't run around in Georgia or whether all right, I admire that bar in just by way of a poor grown. Very honest. One. Nine took my my son last year and he absolutely adored it it's the sort of thing that I loved ass, a kid and honestly as the interactions with kids, they still enjoy yet runs MID April through the first weekend of June, and if you do go, there will be when auditions with William Shakespeare, I'll be auditioning parts. So, if

if you ever wanted to stand up on a stage and recite I'll, have lots of different speeches on hand of from all the different blaze so that we can we can cast. All, though I mean I'm gonna, be performing all the shows, a gotta cast every single part right. Yeah I'll I'll go get moving elderly I'll go out, but I'm I can't wait to hear the rest of that. So I am waiting for you to tell me that Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare, so I can lay the smack down that Malaysia, because the ridge only. We examined this this group of of thoughts. As a video in our Youtube video Series and it was fascinating because off air we all worked together for years, folks area off off air. There have been times where, more than once, actually, where you Jonathan, I don't wanna, see quite out of the blue, but you have come up to me We were talking about anything particular too

you tell me how much this idea has bothered you and bothers alot of people, the concept that the Anti Stratford and anyone who thinks that that some, other than William Shakespeare must have written the plays. I find it infuriating and perplexing the same type. Was there even a real, William Shakespeare S, silver legal documents that have his name on them? I've, specifically out USA, have seen a few so with that excellent introduction, let's dive into the life of William Shakespeare, let's also just Jonathan Let's go ahead and kidnap you sure you work on several other shoes work on tech, stuff. You work on the brink. You have you're, a man of many hats, yeah, I'm wearing them right now. You are well you. It must have been of the Jews, the one zero gimme, a porter yeah are we're cooked theirs

there s? No we're going to we're going to kidnap you absolutely right. We get scripted you to be a guest along with rare, on the shoe today. Let's explore William Shakespeare, the boy in, as I believe you had established earlier, fifteen sixty four issues, wrath sons come on their. We don't have the actual record of his birth. We had the record of his baptism right and that's a relatively common. At this point historical record. He was brought up in Stratford, honey Yvonne, and eventually he was buried their course. He made a couple stops London right and he maintained his household and Stratford for the duration of his career in London. But other than that. The things we know for sure about the individual, the human William Shakespeare, are losing relatively scant by today's

terms, especially for someone who was so influential in did so many things in his life, we don't have as many details as we would. What are we do know someone of pretty much the same name, the same guy again the person married and had children in Stratford, because there is, as you mentioned, that baptismal register ran the one of the problems that we should establish from the jump here is that you can find contemporary written records with Shakespeare's name mentioning him. Even even a few with is confirmed, agrees on signature, but this spelling varies and so for people who have an issue with something about shame Spear they'll say. Well, why does the marriage bond have shag spear

is the Shag spear TAT Day the same as shacks pair, oh yeah. That was another one. Isn't it s age, a ex p r e spare yeah actually actually have answers to these, but I don't know if you want me to give them not yet there was. There are answers, so we do Oh that William Shakespeare gave evidence in a court case sign some documents. He went home to Stratford events. He made a will and around sixteen sixty he that apparently, possibly on the same date that he was born on the current apple, twenty third, that yeah guess they, the hills based as a baptism, yeah still still guesstimate, but. Well written just structurally NEA tribes of beginnings in India. Now, if you're, going to, if you're going to have a mysterious life being born and dying on the same date, not the same day, but the same date is, it does add to that air of mystery doesn't

Samuel clemency came right. Whales, romilly I'll, bring me back out again yeah Shakespeare's Shakespeare's work in his career. I'm not a lot of. It starts obviously in London who becomes an actor and then a shareholder in what was called the Lord Chamberlain's men then the gnome leaders the kings men network they kings when they were. They were the playing company that on the blue, bright yeah. This is this is the part where the Globe Theatre the world Renowned Glove Theatre comes in. If the also the Blackfriars, that would be later, but yeah that was, there was one of the first indoor theatres in lieu, yet Jonathan tell a little bit about the Lord Chamberlain's men,

sure yeah, so you had theatre companies that typically had a patron that supported their work so that they can get the up front costs. They would need to put on a performance and they would recapture those costs through whatever means like ticket sales, once you got to the theatres theatres in London were brand new when Shakespeare Guy, there. They had only been around for maybe fifteen years before that you would typically see a play performed in the courtyard of an in house or maybe in some frill fancy persons. Waiting room that just happen to be as large as a theatre would be. That kind of thing right, but this was this was a time where theatres, ass purpose built structures were brand new in England, so Shakespeare is a part owner with this theatrical group, which means he gets a percentage of the boxes produce work that could be performed in this

Very much money publishing a play because you didn't published plays you performed them Shakespeare in his lifetime. Never published any of his place. Some of them got published, but it wasn't his decision. He was making money by helping produce work that can be performed in this theatre and then getting proceeds from the ticket sales and he was making money out of his own work, because I think the kings men had the exclusive rights to produces, plays yeah They have a period of time, fifteen. Ninety four yeah he was ready to essentially ascension. He would write material for the theatre that he had ownership in any would also we think perform in those shows. He was often listed as one of the actors that we don't Oh, why Heartsick played by you think I ever did a one man

did you have later Romeo and Juliet all the heart. Do a production hamlet, accept all the key actors. We do actually think that you may have played hamlets fathers ghost in hamlet, but there's there's not a lot of theirs not really any hard evidence to back them up. So so you ve got really a guy who owns part of the theatre and he's a gifted writer assuming that we're going with the story that Shakespeare wrote. Shakespeare he's a gifted writer who is, supplying his own theatre with material to attract people. You'll have to remember The time. Let me set the scene here in London. You have Puritans you are very powerful in the sitting They do not allow theatres to operate within the city limits of London, so The theatres are either north of the city or south of the city on the start across the Thames on the south part, so If you want to go, see a show and you

the city? You have to find you have to pay a ferryman to get across the river or you have to travel all the way to the London Bridge, which has not close to where the theatres are making way to the theatre: pay your penny, if you're a groundlings to stand and watch the show, and then you have to hustle back, because the city gates of London were meant to be locked at sunset, makes sense, because a vampire smee exactly right, nearly don't invite demand great. So yet a rush back to London to get back inside and times, let's go to bed dry up. The theatre district was in the same district as all the brothels. The bare baiting arenas- the gambling houses and the ends of ill repute, too, is sleazy. It was considered a sleazy profession, yeah and a sleazy show to attend. In fact the sleazy professed

is what lend some people to suggest others who may have written for Shakespeare because they wouldn't want their own name attached to so lonely profession. Ah, there we go okay, so now we ve hit upon it, the other, Another thing we know about Shakespeare is that, eventually, in after one thousand five hundred and ninety six, he became a gentleman because his father was given a coat of arms which Shakespeare paid for We did have some money involved and we can we can talk, for hours and hours and days about probably each place specifically because there is such a depth and wealth. Of connection and river act now in modern society. Sure yeah in just a put South there talking mother ripple effect, my wife just the other day.

Went to the Plaza Theatre, where they were showing a version of Romeo and Juliet as alarming the exactly and still still today and twenty nineteen, the the effects are seen like in those ripples as they you know as they affected basil ermine as they. Acted, even my wife when she watched it and now all the other people who Roger one than you have all the adaptations like West Side story, which is not a it. It's is essentially Romeo and Juliet, but as a musical on its changed the location and change the two warring families to two gangs, but we we still. We still see these ripples going just as strong. In fact, I would even say that they have weakened overtime. We might see them in cycles. It's also interesting to see which plays are, are popular during different areas. Right has you'll find one era where hamlet is considered than than the height of of Shakespeare's genius, and then after say, nineteen sixty or so it seemed to shift

King Lear and what it really tells. You is more about the society that is currently enamoured of that specific play than the play. Itself right, lay cow the remake of adaptation, Titus Andronicus, please! He carried me for your eyes. Please carry of effort, police Academy for what's eating, you attend syndrome, adaptation. It's true! I saw this guy this individual. This plea right. Is so prolific, especially even even in a modern day. Setting writing thirty seven plays that aren't garbage is phenomenal feet right there, and this guy did it without the access, the wealth of instantaneous near instantaneous information we have today without a word. Sesar, probably without We with it will explore their side of the story after a word from our side.

It is a huge body of work for one man and it's not surprising that many many people from various walks of life disagree with what we just gave you. We gave you the official narrative, but what about the people who don't agree with it will explore their side of the story after

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for seven will its taste the rainbow so math? Why? What are these people? What's there? What's their stick? What's their think? Oh yeah, it's it's groups of people who, over the centuries, have come together and agreed that they do not agree that William Shakespeare wrote all of his place or at least made some of them. Believe you run any of them in some believe that William Shakespeare, wasn't even actually William Shakespeare report. And necessarily end. It varies very. It varies widely. Yes and some people disagree with their own disagreements. Yet I mean they're. The Anti strap We are not a monolithic group. The one thing agree on. Is they don't think that William Shakespeare did everything? Yes and they they have some beef with each other within their community

you actually right? There's the idea that someone else route the place there is the idea that Shakespeare's may be an umbrella term similar to the theory, banks, E street artist, probably one of the best in the world right now. There's the theory that Euro that's actually a collective rights operating under a singular identity. Exactly and to enjoy that idea. Yes, yak interbank see, but one things for short This particular genre of conspiracy theory has a massive staying power. This isn't like it, A Jane helm thing where it comes up with an expiration date or a world will end in twenty twelve think. You know this concept has persisted for some time, but now

it's not as old as most people assume. I would argue because, contrary to popular belief, the idea of a Shakespeare, shakespearian conspiracy, nor a question about the authorship is historically speaking, somewhat recent near there some summer nineteenth. Century thinkers who were proposing that you mentioned Samuel Clemens earlier Mark TWAIN. Mark TWAIN is one of the people who suggested that perhaps Shakespeare did not write. Shakespeare attack as such. Through the air as well. No, I mean you know, Mark TWAIN was pretty much convinced that no one was ass, clever ass. He was I used to I used to love their author, true story. Until a friend got me a copy of his woefully on edited autobiography they just goes on, and I am I feel like I'm done with Mark TWAIN to about twenty three bullets.

LEO one should go. I don't mean to take over your show vote. We can adapt. You well I'd, love to hear you guys sort of lay out some of the the usual suspects short ones, who are often proposed as the possible people who actually roof. Those shakespearian brochure will be the best way for us to get. There is to explore some of the history. You mention nineteenth century thinkers who first, oppose these alternative alternative, very safe word. Yes, that's the eighteen hundred everybody studded with Samuel Clemence would be so No one really seemed to doubt that Shakespeare wrote these plays until around the eighteen fiftys, the first public Anti Stratford The queen was written by an American Delia Bacon. She had an Oracle impotent magazine in eighteen. Fifty six hauled William Shakespeare and his plays an inquiry concerning them

which is, I know what a we need to talk to get a message but what was in this way. What was the gist of this article? I mean it. It's an opinion. That is correct. Valid in a couple of ways and then just silly and others. She saw the plays were were more than stories a historical stories that are being Rita old. She thought they were deliberately to spread ideas about about enlightenment, about maternity, about progress of of humanity and she thought the place we're essentially like I use a form of propaganda, and it was written by a secret committee essentially of people like Illuminati of sorts, whom I mean it sounds kind of silly, but at the same time it's an interesting thought experiment. If we go into it and she cryptically hidden,

that there was a different person that had actually written the plays, or at least had had a big hand and rang the plays a certain sir. Francis Bacon, knew no relation to the earlier bacon yeah. She she said that there was a secret collective in the bacon. Obviously where's. The was the leader of the group, Delia Bacon, never found any any smoke gun evidence were her belief for or anything beyond, terribly vaguely circumstantial level

Now I know you ve got some islands in the fire on this. We are, as I say, I might, albeit really want to know where we want to know. We want to know where we want to get you set up in the ripe handsomely. So a lot of people will perhaps unfairly cast aspersion on Delia Bacon because she had a painful private life as well she'd when she passed away it wasn't an asylum which was a brutal police to be in that time and era. But just like Shakespeare, just like Shakespeare, she had ripple rip social throughout history. Absolutely this single article I lit the fuse elude the fire for what would become an exclusively controversial,

line of thinking and one that very much, even in the modern day, aims to be considered a serious academic discipline. Much to the Mai, of irritation of people who are strap. Forty unseen right exactly and I love academic beef. I think it's, I think it's so fascinating, but your question a little bit about a circuitous way to get there, but to your question Jonathan, if it was not William Shakespeare, Shakespeare was not the Author, wherefore brandname for bunch people working in secret, who would the actual author be candidates include Francis Bacon, Christopher Marlowe, been a tricky one that would have been a tricky when just timewise yet cause he died in a bar fight, while several plays were still being written. Although there have been theories that stated that the place we're already written either

place had already been written and then were published regularly or performed rather Kissingen. They weren't published right formed regularly after moral is death or the even crazier idea that Marlowe faked his death in a bar fight and secretly was in writing the plays because he just couldn't give it up. Oh my gosh: did he moved like Cuba? Can I to park No, you just sort of moved to Southampton and put your got some day. Claudia Music, the really and a fake knows list over who Chris from always sure, yeah Marla was another writer and playwright of the sixteenth century, England also was a spy. The actually did work on be half of of of Queen Elizabeth, which was not the safest of professions.

I dont, think working for a royal family at that time is ever going to be an inherently say, profession. Honestly, Elisabeth in England, any profession was an unsafe profession. As effect they fell to go. If you were a Catholic, you are all that was that was dangerous by itself and Shakespeare's family by the way Catholic. So that was but that's another Sang revert tidy up here, so so you ve got. God Marlowe, whose wrote fast so faint play, he's only wrote. A couple of others is The well known for writing drama was not known for writing. Comedy witches possibly why some people say. Maybe he contributed some of the place, but maybe not all of them, because their just wasn't any evidence to suggest that you could write comedy. I would argue that, based upon some of Shakespeare's comedies, there's not a whole lot of evidence. You do it either. No, there is actually a very funny Shakespeare comedies, but there the Humours lost on us, the modern audience, because we no longer have those

and so they don't really make sense to us anymore, but anyway, so Marlowe, very dangerous kind of individual, whose also prolific writer also comes from a fairly humble background, which will be born later. Exactly so we'll get into that later. But but he ends up trying to come to the defence of a friend in a tavern as a result of the fractious that breaks out, he sustains a critical injury and dies. And this is in the middle of Shakespeare's productivity, right so that that again, assuming that the death logic and it wasn't Marlowe trying to fake his death so that he can live out their his golden years, which would have been many. He was not that old when it happened,

and he was. He was of an age similar to Shakespeare. They were about the same age. Assuming that that didn't happen, that he didn't think his death. It would have made it very tricky to continue writing side no unrelated to suggest a fact. I found, and I think you guys would enjoy it if you hadn't heard it before. Oh, did you I'm just reminded because of the idea of literary buddies, reappears, create appears, Ernest Hemingway, James Joyce, solid there's been very fair and solid writers notorious drunks? Yes, do you know the story now, apparently they were known for getting into bar fights, doesn't surprise you place auditory. Maybe you just have to read fitting its weight No, that's the guy runs on at the mouth bit, but apparently he was somewhat of a never wish character somewhat of a of

I was aware not another word for knavish milk toast. It's really good yeah. I was useful, but more you didn't come across as masculine the personified the way Hemingway, so they will be a bar fights allegedly James Joyce was fair for running his mouth and starting a fight and physically to hide behind Ernest Hemingway, while yelling like take care I had crimson his face. That's perfect I saw that notice. I just use that is cocktail trivia at your next James Joyce. Ernest Hemingway themed. Worry. You know there is a conspiracy that the bar five Chris remarkable got into was actually or there's a theory that it was a conspiracy to assassinate Marla. That's

yeah a yeah that their love stories about. I mean that was fifteen. Ninety three, which in Shakespeare's timeline, would be right at the very beginning of of his rise and those would still be the place produced in the early. Fifty nine is we're still considered the throw the juvenile Ex of Shakespeare, the ones before he really found his voice right ray and that's that's like maybe just a year before the exclusivity agreement comes into Other other candidates include the fifth Earl of Rutland. That's all you need to know about them six thrill of derby the seventeenth Earl of Oxford know too that there are a lot of aristocrats be named. Oxford is why the big ones locks aliens are as one of the larger camps of Anti Strap, Mauritius, yes and then even Queen Elizabeth One, as has been proposed. That's you

out there right. It turns out there more than eighty potential Real Shakespeare's in this. This is weird Why do people believe this in the case Bacon, Dealey, beacons. Original argument see there's a little bit of classes. I'm involved because Shakespeare at at the time at which Delia Rights this article Shakespeare is there much deified, especially especially in his homeland, he's depicted as as a person being a relatively uncultured town right, a yelled neighbourhood right and people see as new. Formal education because they ll say there's not an exhaustive written record widen attend university. He didn't attend university modeling, someone like reading Johnson Rights, but he sure knew a whole lot about histories,

He here he wrote. He wrote a lot about history as if you were correct. Yeah is the better Wait a second here. So we had the time, though this is antistrophe. Fourteen argument is that, based on what what the play, these have in terms of content based on the various. Storing literary illusions and the extensive vocabulary they say well, there is not really a way a guy who didn't go to college could do this. I mean, if we're being on a rough which yeah There is a very common argument: the idea that how could someone from essentially the sticks right as the effectively years they had some some hick from the sticks, son of a glove maker

and an amateur actor. Who then turns pro? How could that guy end up creating what many people believe to be the pinnacle of poetic language, particularly and play format ray and another part. You know you you're thinking, not just not just that these are cracking good stories. These are characters who seem to embody much deeper represented. Sharon's of human nature than what you would see in contemporary works. Now that stricken They are not a lot of contemporary works that actually survived that era, sure and has a lot of stuff and general there's a couple of Shakespeare plays, though that may have existed, that we don't have it more loves labors one is one of them and the cardenio. Those are lost, plays we dont know we ve got a.

Adaptation of the cardenio that was done in the nineteenth century, but that was a heavy rewrite which was not uncommon. You often had it is re writing Shakespeare to perform it later on, especially as different value arose in society, where certain things were considered taboo. They would rewrite Shakespeare's blazed rid of anything that would revert to that, and so Shakespeare's plays went through a lot of transformation, particularly in the nineteenth century. Eighteenth nineteen such ass. I love we are pointing out, though, about one of them and the cardenio both of those are lost, plays we dont know we ve got a an adaptation of the cardenio that was done in the nineteenth century, but that was a heavy rewrite which was not uncommon. You often bacon. His writing this and at the time in which Shakespeare was performing popular thoughts of war. Regarding what could be considered art like a b

Zira higher form of war or lower form of entertainment, the popular, drew a sharp distinction between various forms of the written word. Poetry was a manifestation of high culture. The best book was and always will be, the Bible and you will die if you don't like the version we have, especially once James came along, and presented his version. I dont, which was so colony of him light, but theatre, on the other hand, was seen as a vulgar entertain. Met, the groundlings. That phrase comes from the the Marsh pit

Yet you would stand in this in the space that was right in front of the stage and for a penny. You could stand there and watch the show, and if you had sixpence, I think it was. You could sit in the galleries, so you would be in a seated position further back with a full view of the stage and that, but it also spoke to the popularity of the theatre, the Faro they could get commoners, who, even when you sit there and say it was one penny for a show for some people that was that was the equivalent of two days pay Reimer about so they're, paying their paying two days worth of labour to watch a show, and these shows are cheap, deep d play they would perform, would change every single day because you don't do on show for a run? Because you are, you have to constantly be filling up that theatre

because people say why would I spent two days worth of pay to see the same thing again right and there's only two hundred fifty thousand people in London and the theatre fits twenty five hundred Mr do the math and you think, if you want to stay in business, you gonna change that. That's why you had so many plays being pretty now, then being Shakespeare's, it was absolutely and pay from a business standpoint. So, let's, let's get back to the idea of the theatre industry yet cause for Antistrophe forty, and that tends to. Paradoxically enough be a piece of evidence that they use against the Ark, that Shakespeare's Shakespeare, because they would say you know what the owner is relatively low. Brow right. So one thing we do know about this William Shakespeare, fellow, is that he was a professional,

and that means that he was associated with each other which, by the way, was right. Next to the brothel ride, rambling houses Zoo there's no way, someone from the argument is from a rural part of the world in a very seedy profession, and what are the sleeves use? Neighbourhoods of London? There's no that guy could have written such amazing poetry, poetic, prose is no. It was obviously the sixth Earl of Derby. Yes, who has bestowed his brilliant work down upon lowly act like could not possibly attach his name to the work right would sully, has otherwise spotless reputation, and we are talking about the six, not that not that the general at the seventh so yeah, it's it's true. They all. Question. We mention this before how Shakespeare, with new record of education or cultural background.

Could he know all the things that the author of these? Please knows vocabulary calculated to be somewhere north of seventeen thousand five hundred words, and the max would be twenty nine thousand different words. There aren't any signed manual. It's written by Shakespeare around today. We don't have anything where it. You know, you can't go The Smithsonian and see under glass the hand, written draft of Hamlet and to be fair. London has gone up in flames a couple of times Revere wrote so in again. Also to be fair, not a lot of material from that era, survives in general, right also so's sing,

our Shakespeare's work as little as a little disingenuous. Only because it's only in hindsight that we see how valuable was right right, that's agree! Point you! No way. We see the class ism called again here with the ETA Strap fourteen argument, so Shakespeare S, six signatures that have been authenticate. People who don't believe Shakespeare, wrote this stuff who do believe he was a room. I they say that, these signatures. Sure this may have been some guiding, William shags pair or whatever, but shags would he writes like he can't read he rhetoric ease. He writes scrawl. This means that he was either illiterate or functionally illiterate. Someone who can just no right there name, maybe do some simple sums, but the spread of conspiracy theories by Shakespeare. International dimension to it right like both them both,

again in another anti strap. Forty in heart were Americans, and these different candidates for authorship continue to find their supporters in the? U S: people in the: U S, love this story. The history channel probably loves the story. Right PBS loves the story. They produce documentaries about this, usually every five to ten years. There I didn't really oh yeah cause- I I've done quite a bit of research like failure which to be fair for small. I say this in college when that was more than twenty years ago, not that Shakespeare's written much sense, but it's been a long time since I was actively studying it, but now that I'm taking on the role I wanna be to answer people when they ask me certain questions about Shakespeare. As best I can incredibly challenging because been, as you have pointed out. We know, sir very little about the matter.

Very little. Information exists about Shakespeare's life. We piece together from scant records and and various things that were written Bout Shakespeare, typically after he had already died, so it is hard to piece together, but the same is for whom the Elizabethan era, with the exception of Elizabeth NEA maybe some other mayors of of the elder corridor. But it's it's true. This lack of this lack of knowledge allows alternative use or arguments to proliferate. There's nothing wrong with that, but we do have to look at the end so we have presented the broad strokes of the anti.

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I think, perhaps William Shakespeare was in fact a group of some other people or why another person nor our Gruner version, it just a whole bunch of that person, new guy, ok in some kind of multiverse, let's, let's really sorry are the reasons why Shakespeare probably was Shakespeare: ok, yeah yeah, so its first off its fascinating. Of course we want to be in in such an intriguing historical who done it. Imagine how such a revelation could change history. The problem is, Something isn't true! Just because it's interesting death, that's a fact. We all run into at some point our lives, the vast majority, by which we mean virtually all serious in accepted working, Shakespeare scholars, think these claims are malarkey. They think they're nonsense, and on their side they have some pretty convincing arguments. One of the first hinges

the timing. You see if Shakespeare didn't write this stuff or everywhere some secret gang of people. Then, why didn't anybody talk about it this. Guy was alive yeah. Why did no one call m O plagiarists wide did none of his contemporaries who who probably at some friendly rivalries, re, why your Johnson definitely dahlia I didn't need. Why didn't they say? Let's expose this guy and immediately after his death people knew him I was alive also didn't say that and came forward after he died say so. Is me also the place stopped Andrea tight. No one, no one wrote other us amazing place that are held in the same esteem as Shakespeare's after he died even just by inventing another name like you, you would think like what. What, when motivate someone to create the stuff in the first place, keep in mind again. This wasn't meant for

location? It was meant for performance. You did not make money selling your play to a too ethical company may be made five pounds, which was a significant sound, but you couldn't live off of it perpetually and considering one of labor. It takes to write a play the amount of money you would get for selling the play that that's a losing proposition so not doing it to make money directly. That's why Shakespeare made his money by being a part company owner, neither the selling of his place you're not make money through publication, because nobody until Johnson came along bothered to publish their place another. Yet another point: we mention Johnson a couple of times here, who's this character. Well! Well, too! That's that's! That's a great question: because we know he wrote stuff, but we don't when or where he was born, it is not especially unusual for us to have very, very by biographical information for people existing at this time from the bottom. To the top of the social

you're, not counting the royal family. Also speaking of Shakespeare's peers. Not only did they not say he was a plagiarists. Not only did they Nazi was a fraud they at multiple I confirm that he wrote the stuff yeah. There really are yet hamley. I know that guy and sometimes they distant bore it. Yet again, the ruling much ado about nothing was a sting area where you had Robert Green, who said this upstart crow. We has beautified himself with our feathers saying he need never specifically says shakes Your buddy drops every single hand that it's gotta be Shakespeare, so he's dissing on Shakespeare's largely because he's got the same sort of elitist leaders view that this this bumpkin, suddenly getting a whole lot of attention and he's like. Why are you paying attention to this guy? You should pay attention to me. I'm much more important. Of course the Elsa was dying at the time it Johnson wrote after Shakespeare's death that that

He was not known to block any lines, meaning he wasn't known for marking out line and changing it or editing it in some way, and then he said would that he blotted a thousand This is essentially the he should he needed. A better editor is what Johnson was saying, so you had you had contemporaries not only give Shakespeare the credit for writing them, but some saying like he wasn't that good of a writer right and it wasn't until after Shakespeare's d Then a couple of his his colleagues got together and decided they wanted to gather as many of the place as they possibly could and publish them. As a memorial to their friend. So these two guys get together and they put together was called the first Folia which that's night and all of the place, but its most of the surviving ones that we know about and

You also had some plays and publication already, but not through Shakespeare's permission called quartet. Some of them were not greatly might have been written down by someone in the audience who has just trying that are best to remember the gist of a play. Those are what we call be. Bad Quarto, soon he or not to somehow so I, spare log where it is here that will live there me. I hate that smell like plague to you this. This kindness of this domination, can continue for for quite a while. At this point we At this point we are going to have to close the curtain near on today's episode, but

We. We thought that night that there was no better way to and then to point out a quotation from David Thomas of Britain's now Colonel archives. Yes, I'm gonna. Just do a quick word here you can try to time in a way, I guess for you right now, ass Shakespeare, lymph nodes afterwards recommendation, Verve William Reflex, bearers exactly what you would expect a version of his position at that time. It seems like a dearth only because we are so intensely interested in aim someday you exit pursued by the bar Sundays bar eggs, is pursued by so that I mean that's agree point, though, because its

in saying that title Shakespeare seem more mysterious than the average person just be cause we're looking. I am, I think, it's largely also because the amount of it's not so much the amount of work he produced because there were playwrights who wrote more then he did, but it's the quality of the work that was produced once you get past the early juvenile efforts of Shakespeare, the Titus Andronicus you, the comedy of errors, that kind of stuff you start getting into when he was really coming into his own just play after play. He was writing things that still resonate with us today and something that special, I think, is what really drives our desire to know more and it is so unsatisfying to come up against just a dearth of information about this person and at this point, with the information we have,

standing. We have in twenty nineteen, it does that. The answer to this question is similar to her old riddle, about whose buried in grant's tomb so who really route the pleas of William Shakespeare. As far as the evidence indicates, it was sky named William Shakespeare, when he was from a town called Strafford upon able was born, there he went to London. He worked in London and then he went back home any died and he was a filthy actor Associated here was a note actors sympathiser. Unless that is there still centuries later something day. However, they are don't want you to know, and we want to hear from you. Are you still convinced that there was more to destroy. Do you believe that their truly was someone behind the Shakespeare curtain? If so, why, and if so, who is that person you,

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