Beekeeping as you might think of it today, with square hives and and a beekeeper in a white suit with a big veiled hat, is a relatively recent invention. But beekeeping has existed for thousands of years, basically all over the world.
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continuing the theme of of wanting to do some episodes that feel like they are not catastrophically upsetting. because of the state of the world I really like bees and beekeeping, as you might think of it today, with a square hives, and the beekeeper in the white suit. With a big veiled hat, I mean that's a relatively recent invention, but beekeeping The practice has existed for thousands of years. Basically, all over the world, every continent, except an article, has native, be species that or at least some honey and their nests, and almost without exception all who have lived near these bees have developed methods to keep them and manage them. In their nests out in the wild or in hives that are made for that purpose. So this is really a global story as one that have up he says that overlap and lots of different methods being practised at the same time. So, for example,
listening to the episode and we're talking about methods of tracking wild bees that are about two thousand years old in your thinking, but wait workpeople keeping beads in hives. By that point, we will get to that part two also using the past heads for a lot of the episode, because we're talking about techniques and practices that started way in the past, but in a lot of cases, these same things including King bees than keeping these out in the wild, like they're all they're, still practice today, they did not go away somewhere of humanity's. Beekeeping efforts have involved social bees that store honey in their nests today, that tends to be one of various sub species of the western or european Honey Bee or apis smell fairer. But there lots of other bees that also store honey, and they are part of beekeeping history to the job honey, bee or atheist or saga is native to southern in Southeast Asia, most apple regions of the world have their own native species of stingless bees that It is something of a misnomer more,
sting was bees do have stinger hers, but those stingers are smaller, Don't usually have structures for injecting venom other bees. including Bumble bee ease also store some honey, but in much smaller amounts and there also honey, storing insects. Besides bees, including some species of wasps and aunts, people have harvest id and used the honey and other resources that all of these insects produce and storing their nests, and in some cases they have kept these insects in one way or another, but further moves. today, we are focusing on honey bees, giant honey bees and stingless bees, which have historically made up just the vast majority of beekeeping efforts around the world.
I am thinking of the eddie- is our line. If these make honeydew your wigs make shut me, bees have been on earth for longer than humans have fossil evidence shows that flowering plants existed at least one hundred million years ago, during the cretaceous period so did insects that fed from the pollen and nectar found in those flowers. The old, fossilized be honey, is about fifty million years old of worse. There is no written record of this. But based on the behaviour of other primates, it isn't. doubly likely that our earliest ancestors found and raided these nests as soon as they realise that they were there so yeah, it's it's! It's play far logical leap that basically as soon as hominids were like there is something sweet and delicious over there that they would have figured I know a way to get at it
the brood like that. The immature bees they're in the honeycomb like there are a source of protein. There's a lot there's a lot of stuff. You can get out of nests that people were clearly getting way back before recorded history. Our first document san of humans. Interaction with bees goes back to Iraq and cave art from the Mozilla Thick period in that period started about twenty thousand years ago. This artwork exists in Europe after Asia and Australia, and it shows people in a variety of situations, the exact eating very based on what kind of bees lived in a particular area and what people did to hunt them and harvest their nests for exam, in places where bees nest in cavities figures are shown on ladders next to whole, surrounded by flying insects, while others in the scene are holding things like buckets or what may be smokers to pacify or drive away those insects
places, where giant, honeybees nest out in the open people are climbing ladders or scaling cliffs to get to the exposed combs, there's all a painting at the Tokyo archaeological site in what is now Turkey, the dates back to sixty six hundred Bc Ii, which appears to show he comes with immature bees inside the cells, that's a yes, that the people who made the art had a lot of first hand, familiarity with bees and their nests, theirs there's some measure with a cave art showing bees importance to other animals. One rock painting in Eastern Spain shows what, if here's to be an animal's paw, reaching toward a whole that has flying insects around it. So that's most likely a bear trying to get at a nest of honey and we of evidence of some of the things that people made using what they harvested from bees nests, for example, archaeologists have dated artifacts made using the lost wax process to about thirty five hundred BC. These artifacts,
which were made in the region around the dead sea were made by creating a model out of bees wax and then making a cast of that model using sand or claim the wax. would burn away or be lost, which is where it gets its name when the mould was fired and then molten metal would be poured into the space in the mould, humanity's first and be hunts were probably pretty. Opportunistic people would happen upon a nest of bees somewhere and write it problem without a lot of protection from stings or in the case of stingless bees from things like bites or irritating substances that they carry on their legs. Early opportunistic, be hunts, probably also didn't, do a lot to protect. The bee colonies. That was being rated people, would carry away everything that they could from the nest and when the human population pretty small and bee colonies were really abundant. There are still would have been lots of unaffected colonies that so that the bees themselves survived as us
these. As soon as societies develop the concept of personal property and laws related to that property. There were also laws about who owned bees. These laws included things like the ownership of nests on a person's property. The owner ship of swarms that hadn't yet found a new nesting site. How had to be marks to show who owed them, and Christmas and restitution to be paid. If someone harmed someone else's bees or nests. Of course, on a more general note, there are references to bees, bees wax and honey all over literature all over the world. Going back. The earliest uses of written language, go time. Opportunistic be hunting and just sort of taking advantage of bees that were already there evolved into a more intentional process with people methodically looking for bees and their nests. Instead of basically harvesting nests ass, they happened to find them, and this is so.
We happened every where on earth it had both people and honey, storing bees, with the only exceptions being in places that develop religious prohibitions against harming insects or depriving them of their honey or their brood. The exact Epps involved in hunting. Bees depended on what kind of bees lived in a particular area, but in general people started by watching for bees, either at water sources or near flowers. the year. Fifty c e Roman writer, Lucy's Junius, moderate US columella described it. This way quote First, we must try to discover how far away they are and for this purpose, liquid red ochre must be prepared. Then touching the backs of the bees with stock smeared, with this liquid, as they are drinking at the spring waiting in the same place, you will be able to more easily recognized the bees when they return, if they not slow in returning? You know that they dwell in the neighborhood, but if they are
eight. In doing so, you will calculate the distance by the period of their delay, so bees obviously are small. They move fast, so it can be part to track a bee, even for inexperienced hunter, so people also figured out ways to make it easier to follow a be back to the nest when some cultures people have physically attached something to the bees to make them more visible, like a very fine thread, repeats of grass or little paper This idea is so charming to me, but also I'm like man it how challenging it must be to just attached something to be while its drinking some water. This would make the be easier to see by basically stick a little flag on it and then also slow the be down as it tried to carry this extra weight. While it flew back to the nest people also figured out ways to take advantage of the fact that bees generally fly in a straight line when going back to their nest. So you collect several bees in a portable box or trap you can
set them out one at a time following each be until you lose sight of it. Can we has more detail about how this was done in the roman empire rating? Quote the joy to ever read with the knots at either end is cut and a whole board in the side of the rod thus formed through It's you should drop a little honey or boiled down. Must rod is then place near a spring Then, when a number of bees, attracted by the smell of the sweet liquid, have crept into it. The rod taken away and the thumb placed on the whole and one be only released at a time which, when it has scaped shows the line of its flight to the observer, and he, as long as he can keep up, follows as it lies away, then He can no longer see the b he lets out another and if it seeks the same quarter of the Heavens, he persists in following his former tracks. Otherwise he opens the whole and allows them to emerge one after another and marks the direction in which most of them fly home
pursues them until he has led to the lurking place of the swarm. Columella described using a piece of red for making this be tracking trap. But other cultures have used this same basic process, making them traps out of other materials, including antlers horns and crafted boxes made of something like would or metal that were created specifically for that purpose, directly. People have also observed other animals to figure out where bees might be nesting pic animals like bears and honey badgers, which are also known to be fond of honey and in parts of Tropical Africa and Asia. There is also the honey guide bird. These are bad. That are fond of eating bees wax and be larvae, but can easily get into the nest without help finding it asked. The honey guide will try to attract the attention of a mammal like a badger or even a person for it. Five hundred years people in some parts of Africa, including Tanzania, Zambia and Mozambique, have device
calls to basically let the honey guides know that they are ready to go on a hunt and exactly that call sounds like varies from place to place with relations, between honey guide and people, delights me same it's so cool, just in general The bird is like I want to get in this nest. I can't by myself What my wings around to make noise tender, something bigger so as people moved from of a that. They happened to find two intentionally searching for them. They also move from just harvesting the nests when they found them to tending those nests in the wild. People have I'm things like wrapping, be trees to emulate them in the winter, keeping the nests entrances com here, enlarging a cavity where the bees were nesting to make more room or hollow out similar cavities nearby, with the hope of attracting a swarm. People have also improve
wild nests to make it easier to access their contents. Things like adding little doors into a tree that a person could reach into and they closed the door behind them or buildings. apps and ladders to reach nests that are in high places, Eventually, people also started building structure, specifically with the hope of attracting bees and places where the bees couldn't have survived. Otherwise, like four exam All building thick walled cavities at away in the Sahara Desert with the who, of sustaining bee colonies inside the walls, but if a little kid search for the way most people think of beekeeping today, with purpose built, enclosures to house bees in a specific location and we'll get more into that after a sponsor break.
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if that were founded, neolithic, pottery samples from Europe, the Near EAST and Northern Africa, and these findings suggests that the pots might have been used as hives It is also possible that they were used to store wax that people had harvested out in the wild. We do know People, were keeping bees in hives in the Niger Delta by about five thousand b c, an ancient egyptian art is full of depictions of bees and hives and beekeeping one if dating back to the fifth dynasty, which started around twenty four sixty five b c e shows beekeepers at work in an ape suggesting that beekeeping was well established. An ancient Egypt at that point honey bees also have a place in egyptian mythology as being transformed from the tears of the God raw after they fell to earth the first written
Pictures of a beehive in China dates back to about three hundred BC. Although the first chinese references to honey as medicine are ten times older than that and Mesoamerica America. People started keeping stingless bees in hives made out of calabash gourds somewhere between three hundred BC and three hundred see so a lot of different parts of the world, because backward of years? These first be hives tended to be pretty simple most. horizontally oriented cylinders with a small opening at one end, that was big, For bees to pass through mode of the time, but not always the other end had some kind of removable covering to allow people to harvest from the hive. Sometimes after using smoke to drive the bees away from that end of a high first in some regions. These hives were like a long, narrow pot placed on its side with removable, covering at one end that had hole in the middle for the bees to pass through.
Around the world, these horizontal hives or made using a variety of materials hull, logs, including logs, that had been cut from trees with the bees already inside and then taken somewhere else. Straw, or grass mats rolled into a cylinder and then covered with mud, clay pottery. Sometimes people scored the interior, of pottery cylinders, with shallow lines that were cut into the surface both to give the bees are roughened anchor point when they started to build their honey combs and also to encourage them to build those Combs Anna, the direction. Other hive designs followed from these basic horizontal cylinders somewhere similar to the ones we just described, but rectangular rather than cylindrical there were vertically oriented, rather than horizontal, that I honey bees that are native to parts of Asia, dont nest in enclosed spaces. So in that part of the world, people attach slanted boy
Two trees as anchor points for honey combs. These are known as rafters because of their resemblance to the rafters in the roof of a house, and it is. just a matter of sticking them to a tree beekeepers, do account for wind, sunlight surrounding foliage and more, when selecting the exact rate spot to hang rafter in some places particularly in western Europe. People have also kept bees in skips that are women. from things like straw or wicker. These look pretty much like upside down baskets with the open mouth resting on a flat, so this and a small opening on the side that acts as a doorway for the bees, especially in places where the weather was cool and damp like, for example, in England steps were usually captain little shelves or shelters that offered some kind of protection from the elements most of the time a Skype is harvest by lifting it up off of that flat, sir, but it rests on and then we're moving the contents from underneath, but some steps also have sort of a hinged lid
the top in many cases, harvesting. These fixed comb hives involved killing the Bee colony inside in some cases, as many bees as possible were shaken or drummed into another high first but of the time the loss of the high was just considered part of a process, people captured swarms of bees in the springtime, tended the high for a season and then harvested them before winter. Starting that whole process over again the following spring or beekeeper might leave. The hives seemed most likely to survive the winter and harvested that with the hope that they would swarm and fill empty hives in the spring. So this was one of the reasons why people started trying to figure out ways to make be high. If that had removable combs to try to preserve more of the bee colonies. If. could easily remove just some sections of honey com without Emma the others at the hive itself that could preserve the colony also, at least in theory such
harvesting method might also easier and cause less agitation for the bees, maybe leading to fewer stings on the beekeeper First, hives, with removable combs, were vertically oriented and opened at the top, with a series of slots are bars placed over the opening, instead of one solid lid p. figured out that if you left some space between each slab, the bees would build separate, Combs one per slat, and then you could remove slat from a hive taking it in the attached come out of the hive, while leaving the rest of the Combs untouched, one of the first written record, a hive like this came from french Doktor Jacques Spool, an english botanist, George Wheeler. Traveling together and saw them in use in Attica, Greece and sixteen seventy five so hundreds of years ago, similar systems, also developed, apparently separately in Vietnam. By the time
people started. Developing hives was removable combs. They had also started developing beekeeping garments that were meant to minimize stings format. Joe beekeeping history, people didn't really have specific beekeeping attire in places where the bees were stingless or very gentle, wasn't really needed in two. Book, a regions where people didn't. Where is much clothing, sometimes they removed what they did where to bees from being trapped in that fabric. In other place, as people may have Don sturdy clothing with long sleeves and gloves, but it really wasn't much different from what they would wear for other work. By about the fourteen hundreds, their people in Europe had started making garments specifically for working with bees, which were intended to minimize the likelihood of getting stung the details, depended some on what was already fashionable in a particular place. In France, for example, the first purpose made beekeeping garments were hoods that covered the face with an insert that was made
of a mesh of horse, hair or wire or some other material. That would offer some protection, but also suffer at least some visibility is because hoods were a little more common and in terms of fashion, In England, were brimmed hat were in fashion, the first beekeeping hoods were large hats, with veils attached around that brim and eventually standard. Outfit also evolved to include a blouse in seventeen. Ninety six be master. John Keys, published a book called the anti be masters farewell or full plain directions for the management of bees to the greatest advantage closing further improvements of the hives boxes and other instruments to facilitate the operations, especially that of separating double and trouble hives or boxes. Also brief remarks on Chirac and other distinguished aviators on the continent did from a series of experiments. During thirty years
Oh, how I love a long title. It has a chapter on be dress in which keys advises, making a hood by attaching bolting clause to the brim of an old hand with the brim cut. the two inches all the way around and the cloth hanging a foot and the areas around the nose, Chin and Neck reinforced, with oiled linen heels recommends leather gloves old stockings over the extremities and an apron, if you're not familiar with bolting, it's like a pretty sturdy cloth that that was woven to allow for things like sifting with it. He's also concludes this chapter, saying quote: women should not meddle with bees without this be dress. Nor then, without the addition of a man's coat- and I almost said- breaches also I don't want to tell you to dress like a man, but if my
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starting in about the seventeenth century, a couple of things happened in tandem that radically changed beekeeping pretty much around the world. One was the colonists started, introducing european or western honeybees into other parts of the world to which they were not native started. With this first successful in action of european honeybees into Bermuda and sixteen seventeen with theirs bees kept cool. During the voyage across the Atlantic to try to keep them in a winter time. State of dormancy during the trip the colonial introduction of the European Honeybee into other parts of the world continued for more than two hundred years and a lot of places Europe, in honeybees, spread really quickly, with swarms of real, pretty much moving of the colonists. The other was a shift in beekeeping, as it was practiced with european honey bees,
starting? In the sixteen hundreds hundred? There was a huge focus on the idea of scientific beekeeping, especially in Europe, beekeeping, where's, naturalists, entomologists and others all week. to improve the practice of beekeeping based on scientific principles, ideally in a way that allows beekeepers to harvest from hives without killing the bees. During this path, says: beekeeping was being informed by new scientific discoveries about bees and science was making new discoveries about bees thanks to beekeeping, one development that was part of this was the observation hive, in other words, a hive with transparent walls that allowed people to see the bees and their work inside and his fourteenth century work. Life of animals out the merry described, An observation high had belonged to Aristotle wrote that the B we're so annoyed by Aristotle's nosing into their business that they covered over the glass with clay
Aristotle lived in the fourth century b c e, and this fourteenth century reference seems to be the first account of him. Having a hive like this, so that's probably not accurate. he really does have one, but it does mean that by the time I'll elderberry was writing. At least the idea of an observation hive existed the idea of bees building a privacy while, though by the seventeenth century. There were definitely observation: hives out in the world, thanks in part to earlier developments in glass making in six in fifty four Doktor John Wilkins gave an observation hive to English, a gardener and Direst John Evelyn, who document it with a diagram. A year later on may fit sixteen sixty five Samuel peeps wrote about seeing this hive quote after to Mr Evelyn's, he be abroad. We walked in his garden and a lovely, noble ground. He hath indeed,
and among other rarities, a hive of bees, so as being highly in glass, you may see the bees making their honey and combs mighty pleasantly. I agree with Samuel peeps that it is mighty pleasant, so watch the b, through the clearer. It really is any time I science museum. I get super excited when there is a glass bs. closure. I think it's oddly soothing there's something about the just puts the brain at rest: transparent, hives, let people get oh much closer and more accurate. Look at a lot of day to day life of bees, including anatomy and their reproduction, and eighty century example, french inventor Renee and one fair, o Dell Re Muir use transparent hives to do some really groundbreaking work about be reproduction and the way that bees used their bodies to regulate the hives temperature in the late eighteen century, swiss entomologist and naturalist, Francois uber took
be observation, one step forward with what he called a leaf hive This was a beehive shaped almost like a book with ease com in its own wooden frame and the frames on hinges that you could move from one page to the next Hubert who's this high in his extensive study of bees, which he undertook with the help of his wife, his son and his assistant Francois burn in hell record visual observation, since Hubert was blind. This leaf I've was enormously beneficial to scientific study, but it was certainly not practical for everyday beekeeping but it was developed in the middle of a two hundred year effort to create a practical, affordable, modular beehive for european honey bees. That would allow me The removal and extraction of the honey comes with as little disruption to the lives of the bees as possible, and there were a lot of different people who put in the work on this between the sixteen. The eighteen hundreds most of them,
in England, France and other parts of Western Europe noted earlier. There are a whole lot of bees in the America whose, with this introduction of bees, colonialism by american beekeepers. Weren't really involved in this, and so eighteen hundred, because before that point there was just so much forage available for me, It was very easily keep bees and a lot of parts of North America had been more focused on controlling wax model that could really destroy the hives, the person who is typically credited for developing the modern beehive is the Reverend Lorenzo Lorraine Lang, Straws who was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and studied and built on those earlier centuries of improvements, Langston the based a lot of his work on a highly developed by August Mun in eighteen, thirty, four, which used hanging frames with space between each frame and around each edge Langston was also inspired by Hubert Leaf hives, since it showed that the frames could be moved with
angering the bees too badly and legs drops the ideal height. I've had a lot of requirements. It had soon the beekeeper to perform every necessary function of beekeeping, including the collecting honey without killing or injuring any bees. The beekeeper had be able to remove comes from the hive. Without anchoring the bees are damaging the combs the hive had to protect them. he's from elements with adequate ventilation and are a movable bottom to allow for the removal of dead bees or other debris. The high had to allow the bees to build and just to live without being required to do any extra work, and it also had to accommodate colonies of different sizes and all of the parts of this high that he had in mind needed to be interchangeable, so that a beekeeper could use the same parts with different hives as needed, and they don't huh
of all that and assorted other details. Lengths drafts ideal hive needed to be combined into one cheap, simple form, strong introduced his hive in eighteen, fifty one it used hanging frames with a one centimeter gap between each frame and between the edge of the frame in the interior of the hive itself. This of space is also described as somewhere between a quarter and threats of an inch. An I'll call. This small gap, the bees space Bee's knees, it to move around the hive, but they won't build their combs in the space. the hives frames hung in a durable box. The lid made by Cabinet maker Henry Burke AM, though thing made. It much easier and more efficient for beekeepers to check on their bees and to harvest their hives Lang, straw, patented his hive and eighteen. Fifty two and he published a book about it and about beekeeping in eighteen. Fifty three, the Lange Straw Hive and
similar hives that were patterned after it may be, keeping a lot more accessible with a larger possible honey yield other getting started with one day choir some initial investment. It also became a lie. Easier for people to use western honeybees as crop pollinators at the Time, though, it became much easier for diseases and might to spread through densely populated, APL ease when cool many collapse, disorder started making headlines in the late nineteenth nineties and early two thousands People wondered about whether the proliferation of farmed western honeybees was part of the problem. Spread of european honey bees also lead to more competition with native bees for forage there is some conflicting data about this today, whether estimated european honey bees are harmful to native bees can depend on the conditions in a particular area like eggs, actually, how many domesticated bees there are, how
forage is available and exactly what kind of forage it is another. Result of the introduction of the Lange Straw Hive and this surge of beekeeping. That followed was an expansion of beekeeping ass, a field people started forming beekeeping. the they established, beekeeping journals and other periodicals, and they started beekeeping guilds. This was a lot different from previous areas when most people he wrote about. Bees were naturalists or philosophers are entomologist rather than people who were specializing just in bees, and beekeeping Although the Lange Straw Hive has become standard, beekeeping equipment in many parts of the world, beekeeping continues to develop this episode. It has been about social bees that store honey, but starting in the nineteen. Fifty people in the United States and Japan figured out how to domesticate solitary leaf, cutting bees to pollinate alfalfa plants, not the developments have been positive, though in nineteen fifty six,
brazilian agricultural worker, Warwick Esteban Kerr and others were looking for a breed of b that might be better suited to the american tropics than european honeybees, where they imported almost fifty be queens from Africa. Which he helped a breed with european Honey Bee drones. Their goal was to try to create breathe that had a more docile temperament like european beef stew, but was more physically adapted to life in the tropical climate. Like four bees, the details are not entirely clear, but in nineteen fifty seven the queen Exclude were removed from the hives that car was using summit. It may have been accidental or it may have been some one trying to be helpful said of the hive swarmed and the bees escaped into the surrounding forests, this was the origin of what came to be known as african ized honey bees, which tend to be more aggressive and territorial than there was counterpart
they have since spread, northward and southward through most of South America, through Central America and into the southwestern and Southern United States There are So many other things that we could have discussed in this episode like be mythology and religious symbolism and how the scientific understanding of real society and evolved in mail order package. Bees came to be and other modern beehive designs and various writers through history who thought the Queen Bee was really a king. and gender roles, have varied among beekeepers across global societies. Really somebody that have a whole entire pod gas. That was only about beekeeping history. It is a lot and if you want more detail about exactly
which cultures were doing, what a different types of hives and all of that try to get your hands on a copy of the world? History of beekeeping and honey hunting your most likely source to find it isn't a university library. It is a textbook. It is more than seven hundred pages long and because it, the textbook It is very spare in its style, there are seven hundred plus pages of detail I'll be easy. a lot of extraneous. So that's our brief history keeping do you have a listener? Male, do you have a normal lives for move and lives of high Holly and Tracy Wooden normally right in, but after listening to the poison control episode, I thought it might brightened your day a bit to share my positive poison control story. I will place a yes, this absolutely brightened by day The letter continues, although I live
Toronto. Now I grew up in Ohio and lived in California for seventeen years, when my now, husband, and I were planning our wedding. There were some flavors we really liked from our cake Baker, but that weren't a good idea for some of our guests. Specifically, we really liked her Guinness cake banana gonna and peanut butter, frosty o empty that peanut butter frothing was so good. She gave a jar of it as a gift, possibly to shut me up about how amazing it was. However, we had a deal He was an alcohol recovery, another who had a severe peanut algae and another with us, we're banana allergy so, instead of having those flavors as a tear in our cake, we had a separate cake made and I had to make it look like Mister young, My mom even sent me some old Mister Yorke stickers to give to our baker because, being in California, our Baker, wasn't familiar with him. Technically it was grooms cake, I liked it better than our tiered cake and they both hold a special place in my heart, have attached a photo so that you can see just how
amazing. Our death cake was keep saying safe, and I really appreciate the episodes that aren't pandemic related. I know you both mentioned a few times that doing things unrelated feels weird, but honestly, it's really nice to get a small break from the stress of it all best wishes lives. Thank you so much lives for this email and for picture. I love the idea of making the cake that could be toxic to some of your wedding guests. Look like the symbol for MR, yet The trick you pig and also like thank you for trying to make a choice for your wedding, the protected everyone. Having also planned, a wedding in which I needed to account for various food and or is the money that it can be attributed thing to make sure that you have something that works for everyone anyway. Thank you so much for the email and for the pictures,
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