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receives you and our listeners will recall. Back in January. We have fashion historian and offer a broker Bellingham Fashion Institute of Technology, to talk about the stensland technique of postwar intervenes in book on fashioned plates that covers a hundred and fifty years of style. Is it develop and not long after that interview is April and I were emailing back and forth. She mentioned a lecture that she gave a few years ago about war war to fashion in France, and I was in, really intriguing and so She had sent me some of the info about it and I asked her to please please. Please come back and talk about that. So that is what we are talking about today. Yeah. I remember when that conversation happened and you are immediately so excited. I say this as a scolding about it, yeah I do so do have being something that is is one of your personal interests. The subject itself is incredible.

To and not something I ever had thought out of before right. We ve talked on the show when fashion has been done did by world events because of things like there was a shortage of fabrics to everybody war, things that require less. But this is a whole other way more involved, timeline and and factors that that we're looking at today are those things that, if you are maybe a listener, he was not into fashion stuff. I encourage you to If a listen, because it might surprise you we are going to talk about fashion, but it's really about how fashion became a tool for the people of France, Holly in April talked about in this interview is how fashion reacts, the times of conflict and how fashion became a form political resistance in France specifically, so if you think a fashion, is something frivolous that people should really spend the time talking about

These emphasised that April shares about the place of style and the greater market place an economy of culture by really change your mind on that operating on a rainy day was nursery once again have one of my favorite. Does her April Callaghan back to talk about some fashion history? Welcome back to the past April. Thank you. I think gambler Thank you for having me. I'm always delighted to talk to you, because you always have cool information, and today we are going to talk about fast as for rebellion, but not necessarily in the sense that people might think of in terms of young people bending rules, but an actual historical moment. Time, which is France during the german occupation in World WAR Ii An April did a lecture on this particular topic at Yale, some years back, and she was kind enough to share the notes on it with me. So

It seemed like just wait. You rich and cool a topic to let go by without doing a show on it so first have to ask you what inspired you to research french fashion during the german occupation yeah here so, and I think, and then in the lap- and I was on the show by an intersection of war and fashion, has always been kind of one of my special interests at the fashion. Historian and headed fashion react in times of crisis. To me, this is a really fascinating question and a lot of really creative, interesting things happened: a fashionable clothing and wrath during these periods of extreme conflict when people are forced to balance the basic services subsistence, that's required for their daily lives, with this in eight human desire to outwardly.

Minor or cells to others as human beings. Clothing is, of course, one of the main ways that we practise defining our thoughts to others. So, a few years ago, I, when I was invited to speak at that some hosing that you reference at Yale. It was actually on street style I did, but I didn't really want to speak about Contemporary Street fail because I feared my fellow presenters we're gonna cover this with a great power. I wanted to do something a little bit different, so I started digging back and I became entirely smitten with how these french women were using fashion during the Nazi occupation, as it's really active former political resistance and ever since then something into, and I actively collect both french and german fashion magazines from the time. Basically, one thousand nine hundred and thirty nine one thousand nine hundred and forty five.

And some it may seem a little bit odd for the idea of clothing and specifically style to be a really vital aspect of a country's ward, experience, but this role We really was a massive concern in France when the german occupation began. Can you talk about why that was the case? Yeah yeah and I think that thinking about fashion work together can seem absolutely and that I call at her and I'm an estate fairly generally here when I say that many people you fashion as a sort of frivolous, unnecessary luxury.

And they don't give any due weight to withdraw and our economy, but fashion is truly a cog in the wheel of capitalism for capitalism. The work the desire to consume has to be sparked and fashioned system as a catalyst for igniting consumers desires. He replaced still useful objects with a new one that are perceived to be more in line with the current mood, and this is a huge part of what drives the marketplace, but in terms of France, the sun, King himself liver the Fourteenth recognise the significance of fashion way way back in the seventeenth century, and I'm talking to sixteen hundred here.

And he started actively and aggressively cultivating France of luxury industries as a way to strengthen his nations economy. And then what happened was over the ensued century. France really establish itself, as this arbiter of style for the whole rests with the world. So, by the time we were to happen by the nineteen forties, there was an international cachet associated with all things. French and especially french clothing fashion was therefore both a matter of economics,

Letty for the country, but also a matter of national pride. So it's not really that the pricing, though it were the hot topic when the German sees control of a large portion of France and offer with resources and nineteen forty and I mention resources. These resources were super important to the Germans to keep their war machine functioning. It required all sorts of basic things like food metal, fuel, it required wall and leather.

Clothing and soap for parachutes. So, under the terms of the armistice, the Germans retain the right to make demands of France's raw materials and end this pertains. This is what happens. A system of rationing start to be implemented. Fuel was the first thing to go scare. Three months into the occupation, food started being rationed. Food stuffs like meat, bread, milk, butter and eggs, really basic things. There are also those became subject, rationing, but more important to what we're talking about now later that year, the Nazis instituted restrictions governing the manufacture and sale of clothing. Were you mention endure in your paper that they set up this point system for allocating wardrobe vouchers and I'm really curious how exactly worked and, moreover, how it was received by the french and then

you also talk a little bit about a trend called system d, and I want you Talk about how that arose from this whole voucher situation here and so had of accurate system work was or work, and what each french citizen who held a food rations card, because the food rations system was implemented first and they were also issued, coupons, which totalled thirty point, This was for their annual clothing consumption. So were you to go into a store of its peak to buy something you would have to present your coupon and also pay for their pay for the pray for the garment or accessory

and this allotment does number of how they assign the points the value system to sings. This is really at the early at subsistence level. So, if you and a single year precious one wool skirt one short sleeve blouse and a pair of cotton stockings, this is, it was essentially all I fear that with it. So you can imagine how this is really demoralising to the french fashioned had been part of their national identity for centuries. This is something that they are very proud about and and and for, so what emerged in the wake of this clothing restriction system is really super inspiring camelias.

A lot of frenchwomen desire that they were not gonna. Take this lying down. It was really important to them that they represent them, retain a reputation for Sheikh and they started coming up with all sorts of creative work around to these clothing restriction. The first tactic they employed became known as the stand day, french pronunciation or system be. You know it wasn't choice a b or see who's choice. De your fourth options. You know the one that you had very little choice but to accept and what it was a more form of the american campaign that got dubbed make do and men from the same time period and both of these campaigns encourage the recycling, the reuse and reporting of garments. So, for instance, they were

big old sweaters and unravel them for the yarn and then ring at them into new garments or a and old suit might be ripped open at the themes can be used for the textiles and Rica until boys, you or maybe a woman's jacket. Women would take leaf or trimmings off old garments that couldn't be repaired and then transfer them on to new garment, but am wanted a funny and most interesting examples of the stem data. I've seen was dead, a french fashion magazine which provided the really detailed instructions like practically step by step of how to take dog, hair groomed from long haired breed like poodles and how to spin and card it in turn it into a meeting on those fantastic it is and I imagine if you had rabbits, he would be set with Angora and am also wondering when I have to say I love system day in terms of just

de I why angle to it is so, as you said it very inspiring and its charming, even though it's really a very z, overboard term of fierce? But is it really is such a dig in lake, just digging in your heels, ongoing nope. You cannot, What we, where we're going to find our own way, I love love it lemons and never take back compliant. Here's the thing saving money with Geico was almost better than playing pick up: basketball, There's always that guy who joined your game. He never passes the rock he instantly bricks theories and who can We have you and then put his hands up and say no foul, no foul, with Geico its ease the switch and save on car insurance known the vacant fake, an ankle sprain because you're absolutely exhausted so

which save with Geiger better than sports. Ok, let's now pick up my interview where they broke our hand to hear about how shoes, in particular during this time actually have echoes in contemporary fashion, I No, you talk a little bit about this in the research that you did. But will you talk some about how rationing changed footwear in France, because I think that is fascinating, yeah, yeah and and and an interesting twists and and connection to contemporary fashion and which all speak about her in a second. But am shoes were a huge problem and occupy. France in nineteen forty one alone, the Nazis took for themselves five million pairs of the country's overall production of eight million. So more than half

at the same time under under the governance and rules? Are they instituted The French were only allowed to reform their shoes once a year and they were allowed to by no more than one new pair of shoes made from rationed materials every four years. So this is a huge an letter with one of the main Russia materials and seriously in short supply? So cobbler started riesling their clients shoes with whatever materials they could get their hands on, and some of these were very bizarre, including old tyres. They would water,

if our board- and he is- that an either braid or plate strips of straw and use that you recall their client shoes. But manufacturers at the time also recognise the problem. So they started trying to these alternate materials that were unregulated by german mandates and through this necessity that one of the most iconic looks of nineteen boys of foreign shoemaker started using wood cork in plastic, all of which were unwrast and materials, and they said. Didn t create heavy platform and wedge shoes and the thickness of these ensure the longevity of your purchase right because the height would take longer to wear it out, though, anyway, you out there who are fans of wood or cork wedge

Here that are like super fashion- more nay you can. You can think you can thank french and unity of this period next time you you strapped them on that, is so funny to me, because you think of that has such like. Particularly, resort, where cork has set a cork. She's are so popular and it's all because of it when the idea of having resort time was really not in the picture at all ass. I love it thing I wanted to talk about. Was the brazen move, or plan on the part of Germany that ended up, thankfully getting derailed, which was it apparently was a plan to move the couture industry out of Paris, which is terrifying and how exactly did they get the rails like? How was that stops so indeed? Yes, then plan fur

the moving of the Paris her industry to Germany were well under way, and the Germans recognise the fiscal significance of not only french ochre too but also their own domestic fashion industries. It's really curious and a point that kind of underscores the hypocrisy of the Nazi Party on one hand they were on the domestic competent. They were officially promoting this archetype of wholesome german house brow and mud, wearing traditional draft, but on the other hand in practice they were actively supporting german high fashion at forth for monetary game, and I- and I feel it is an important point here- to make that the general german populous were also subject. Two clothing rationing, starting in nineteen, thirty nine, but by that within Germany. It was almost a moot point, because so much of the country's own resources had already been drained for years prior to night.

Thirty nine. The german people had kind of in railroaded into giving and donating whatever they could spared the war effort you know that there are instances of young bride did it. In their wedding. Gown tat cause because I thought that the silk might be able to be used for parishes. But yes during. Compassion, the Germans rate of the offices of the governing body of Paris or culture industry, and they summit at present, the time who is a career, LUCA along. We believe it is a complicated process of the Germans back and forth back and forth, but alarm was eventually able to convince them that oh Katir was too inextricably hide apparent. Paris that to force it for a wholesale deportment of industry did Germany that would kill it bearing in and and also that it was really kind of an unfeasible proposition to export all these tangential industries that supply look at her? You know you had the pet founding a fracture you had

ribbon and flower maker. You have dire feeders. Makers. Embroidered milliners you to move all of those people with all those people and industries can be a herculean efforts essentially, and you're lecture. It was tabled sleeping cobras. Would you explain to us what a sleeping cobra was in the context of fashion in France, in the nineteen forties? How was that style emblematic of France really kind of hanging onto its national identity during this time of occupation, and so I think the current thinking, however, it can be a can apply in a couple differently. I was kind of using it in two different ways and my reference there. First, it could be as metaphor for these women right who were silently protests thing with the fashions that they were wearing, but the phrase itself is something that's loosely based,

Are the writings of monopoly leading to two leading of the period Alsace Gap rally in one of her autobiography she written about the hat, set friendship, were wearing during and just after the occupation and a lot of people were legitimately shocked when the first images of Paris appeared after the liberation, because the fashions aims Nobody are, the silhouette had really become extreme and exaggerated. It had a really wide heavily padded shoulders, these Paul Funky shoes and the hamlet. Had risen and become much shorter, but the half the hat truly bizarre and scattered We call them an incredible horror compared I heard a giant turban that these women were wearing. He compared in few monstrous cobras ahead huge meal and crawled up sleep and an answer

well beaten, who was a great cultural, touchstone of the time and bombed, evolve, he's a day. I looked specifically like domestic plumbing But now I love it better really kind of one of the main ways that french women were using fashion as a form of political resistance during this period, and one of the reasons for that is the materials many of the materials used to make hat that were using millinery were unrestricted, so became a sort of unexpected medium through which women were able to wage a violent protests and what happened? the kind of happened, whether that and then I can he hath were little more trim, little more tidy, but in the next report is a morphed is really sorted of outlandish. Oversized creation and turbans grew so large that some of them actually required interior wooden

architecture that then would be rapidly and Swat would like yards in yards a fabric, so the shape the size and the trimmings. These hat for exaggerated the point of being ridiculous- and this was intentional- women are basically flaunting extravagant in the face of the enemy. They had no choice rate, but to wear these threadbare prices, are things were kind of like mended and Pash there are making do they were wearing shoe which may or may not barely be holding together so authority. The hat- and this is there a way to express themselves in, and sometimes these has functioned explicitly as objects, and what am I very fair hat of the time period, which is in a question in France. It were it really wide upturned brim and the Bryn had been printed with hash mark that resemble

the hash marks of a radio dial and, above that it was printed post, prison and precision had been a really popular radio station before the occupation and when the Nazis seized control, the media, its silence, persuasion and replace it with a different station of the pro German in our collaborators nation, For some of these hat them, they were wearing were actually quite pointed in the political statements that they are making an speaking Additionally of women who were really driving some of this protest. Will you talk? Little bit about the minutes. And how they were really kind of the arbiters of style in some ways, yeah for sure and minutes for women who work in the fashion industry. Oftentimes they were young women. And they were really kind of the hand or the worker bees the fashionable.

They had all these technical skills rate, so they took system day or system d too, whole new level of education, and they were so old scarves gather to create these wild patchwork textiles, from which there great ermine, and they had all the fund with ribbon because ribbons were unwrap, and so they so them together to make these really wide whimsical skirt. But once again it was with half that they were really taken it to them. And they made enormous hats from loops loops of ribbons and scrap the cardboard and oil cloth, and sometimes they would build like fully fashion, little vignette and themes? the hat. You know it might be like a reproduction of a french village or really important french chateau, but there was an article in vogue about the minuet right after the liberation of Paris and ninety boyfriend.

I'm talking about them and how many of their creation for intentionally made to annoy the Germans and and this the point that wasn't entirely lost on nothing officials. They actually complain to lose him along. The sugar and a cow about it in his response, which I think you'd. Willie loving every minute of what will you for doing that? His official response was I can't do anything about this. The! U styles are not being issued by fashion houses and I think this really underscores how a lot of these dials period. What were what you were saying, the eye wife ashen. These are street styled created by people. I love the idea that, just by virtue of walking down the street in the garment, that you have made and chosen to where you are making huge political statement, and in talking about so these sort of coded rebellious messages.

There is some stuff, Your lecture notes about coded messages on belts. You have to talk about these yeah, because these are kind of great So women were painting embroidering about this is nothing new, but they started doing it during the occupation with Motifs frequently held hidden, meaning you might see very pretty belt and decorated, with little dare delicate aerobatic, but there actually vs to symbolise victory. Some of the belt you see, have musical notes, which seem pretty harmless and charming. But if you could read music, you would know that their score was actually taken from patriotic french fuck, and one of my favorite of the period where the belt that was entitled long ago,

with hand painted an end of a campaign to with little images of favorite french dishes which had disappeared, given all the food shortages of silk. I mean it's one of those things that I suspect many people at a time like most german officers were not thinking. I bet they're coded messages in those ridiculous thoughts. So at such a wonderful sort of sneaky Wade is still like a sir Your feelings on the matter of occupation, you're, so its some alternate universe, the fashion industry move to Berlin and probably died off, and I being interested in fashion and clothing of selfishly glad that it is not this universe. Thank you, Lucy. Long Wholesale, I'm really interested in some of them,

the ranger trends that grew out of this time, like the turban so big that you had to have a wooden infrastructure under it. Yeah. It's it's a lot to think about wearing on your head, and I really love the secret messages that are. There were imbedded in some of the fashions of the day and the way the minutes were purposely making annoying clothes just to anchor the Germans April is so good at like doling out so many really inspiring and interesting tidbits, and now I totally want to embed secret. Doesn't everything I make so next April is going to say details of fashion at the race track during the war? First, we're gonna have another brief break for a word from one of our sponsors in our past, money we're going to get you talking. We debate the uncomfortable pleasures of money in life than a clever joins us to decide. Who is right? There is no such thing as strings free money. There. Arson here lies right now about it,

traditions that men do pay women I'll do the reads: the fake reach money is one of those things that people like to ignore. You can all the episodes. Now on apple podcast, radio up or wherever you get your podcast So this last segment is gonna. Give you are really wonderful, Easter egg about the term clothes horse as well as somebody wind blowing information about how salons, One salon in particular, was using some very unusual power to dry Ladys here, You also talk a little bit about how race forces

became sort of de facto runways during occupation. Will you expounded that a little bit to the concept of the race track as runway isn't actually something unique to the period of occupation attending the reason was an immensely popular pastime for decades prior along with the state or, if it's kind of the place to see and be seen so much so that fashion designers within models or actresses to the races dressed in their latest collections of a form of advertising, and this is really an established practice by the night. Forties, so the association between women, clothes and horses with so strong, this is actually where the term close horse comes from The models were there to work showing off the clothes The horses were there to work rating

and during the teens during the night contains you also end and fashioned periodicals. You sometimes also see professional models finally referred to as jockeys for much same reason. Ah, ah there was about some other, really wonderful, tidbits. Near your notes, and one of them that just delighted me and sort of blooming away at the same time is this piece about cyclists like bicyclist being used to dry hair in the salon of the hairdresser Gervais. Will you talk a little bit about worked right? hand in hand with all this other rationing and shortages that are that was happening at the time. You can imagine it's wartime right. Sokol was also in short supply and at certain points, electricity was being rationed, so you may have you know if you are as with electricity here or there

and by the hair style that were really fashionable. The time required frequent visits to the hairdresser to maintain Fordham, waft, waved, look and usually that would be that under a hare drier, so with all the sudden spotty electricity there is one particular hairdressers surveys and he he installed it behind em bike and the basement of upon an he hooked up his internet, her contraption, whereby he attached his hair dryers to stove pipe and those two fan. And then the fans were were powered by teams of of two people. Writing bake in the basement, and this is something that Lee Miller wrote about at the time and she also took photos documenting then- and this is, the reason that turban for a popular at the time- and so if your cloth with less

ideal. If you hadn't been able to visit the hairdresser, you could cover, is or alternately you could use a turban to cover a wet fat. When you relieving the salon. Ah, I just love the idea of these poor people trapped in the basement. Bicycling so Look can have beautiful hair; he. He writes that here said they would power produce enough power to dry around. Like a hum a hundred women heads a day, that's impressive! You it's a little bit about what shoes still being a thing today, but was there are there any other long, lasting echoes in fashion from this sort of stylish rebellion. There was going on in France in reward to I mean I don't know so much about Tyler rebellion part, but the nike forty there's always a touchstone for fashion. And earth red. Oh your. We will see from time to time these references coming back to this,

heavily padded. Why the shoulders, the narrow nipped waste readily. I I think you did a really great caution and two thousand Levin was kind of loosely based on that. Fellow at it was fantastic but yeah really is its where we today with it, with the very explicit can can, between rationing and and fashioned today would absolutely be with issues that the path for her when she is that we are today and I have to ask if there were one style from this moment in time from this sort of forced creed, I believe, was going on- that you could bring back today. What would you choose? I know so much about a

I'll bet. I would bring back and more about embracing a certain energy or mood and despite the fact that these are obviously very very difficult time, I don't I don't. You know- want to gloss over that. These would leave a horrific times for a lot of people, But- These fashions, you can still feel that certain is right. Viva right there are very irritated there very optimistic, and sometimes they were outright funny and laughable. So I guess what I choose to take away from that is really embracing the centre, playfulness and fashion. You now have fun with fashion. Be bold, don't be afraid to make a statement

Ladys are making statements all over the place and then, if you want to make a different payment the next day, that's ok, you have her mission making them and make yet another different favyn Lino the day after you know you ve gotta catch my draft. I think that an if you're having fun with fashion there aren't any mistake the lethal. My luck, oh Marilla, with you I'm still gonna lobby, though, for the belts to cover the bell- a bright only such data right or wrong- maybe some designer role here in it and in a little bark lap, and we should only I really love the idea of music. You know laid out on your your belt or any other accessory it so sweet again. I was still so lucky when we get. Few, because you have so much cool information about fashion in history and last Sunday around. We talked a lot about your book fashion of the art of push far also your book fashion plates a hundred and fifty years of style which continue to be spectacular. But

Is a cool new developments? Euro fashion plates book is coming out in paper back this fall. Yes, it is true, it is true and it is actually already available for pre order on Amazon, so the previous this is a luxury addition fur. So, for any view, nurse who may have been deterred by its hefty price point There is now a much more Annabelle accessible version available on eleven February. No I'll be out in a few months, and if the cover is the same one that currently sit on Amazon at the very core cover like you get some media of ad hoc, it approved the back. However, let me and I will once again sing the praises of that book. I love it. So much is just such a feast for the eyes and we the soul, if you're into design at all, whether you're into clothing or any other kind of design.

You see so much of like how human taste is developing through the years just by looking at the clothing. So it's absolutely beautiful and I can't recommended enough April. Thank you so much we can talk to us about war war to vanish in. How can people find you if they hear more from you on line. Of course, You can follow if I d better connections on Instagram at at MIT special collections, and you can also search online for our blog, where we cover relief fund cool things that we have, and you can just search at IP material mode block the blogger com material mood and actually opposed something. Ash and new right after we got off the phone here. So excellent limits, the wind, and we also put a link to that blog in our show notes April again. Thank you. So much to the delight

pretend I personally hope all of our listeners embrace playfulness fashion as April, encourages, what's all start, embroidering rebellious sheet music into our excessive and more time, April's new paperback version of fashion plates, a hundred and fifty years of style is coming out. This fall and you can actually priority that now you can set up a much more affordable price point than the giant sort of folio like she called it, the luxury version, so you will get all of that beautiful stuff, but you will not have to pay equators much now I was gonna need a little bit a listener mail, if that's cool, I would love to hear some listener male listener. Rail workers like this is so cool. It is from our listener June and it is in relation to her Ladys of the United States Postal Service episode.

She says hello, how are you Tracy? I was so excited when I listen to last week's episode on women in the: U S, P s. Normally, postal history tends to have a narrow audience life he had friends just roll their eyes. When I really an anecdote, or I start gushing over the most recent artifacts we received you cited, the historian section of you ps dot com is a sore. So I know you ve read the sections there regarding women, Postmastership male carriers and at postal headquarters. The podcast also made a brief mention of there being separate windows for women. That is a topic I have been working on for the past few months, as she has actually attached a copy of those some of the work she has been doing, which will end up on the deep was the service website very soon, because she is a historian for though she is actually a research analyse for them studies, postal history, which I think is just the coolest. She says the windows seem to have been used primarily for delivery to segregate women, picking up mail at general delivery, but poster.

Some of the year are often had separate windows for delivery, money orders registered letters and stamp purchases Post office regulations, dont address ladys windows in any manner, so it's hard to say, as other services were offered, inclusion of ladys window in a facility seems to have been decided by local post masters. Although architect Army be young, often the designated separately. These entrances and noted a lady's delivery window or room which always makes her think of a maternity wards. Newspaper seem to love anecdotes regarding the ladys windows, some of these painted women as being clueless regarding the ways of the world. Once they ventured out

home, while, conversely, some depicted Ladys as being wiser and more discerning than the male customers tales of woe regarding women who received news of an unfaithful partner or call for weeks waiting for a letter that does not come, the ladys windows were often cited, is being sources of moral turpitude, both from young Ladys, engaging in clandestine correspondence and that Madam's waited near the window and Kate in some cities ready to tempt women who had not received anticipated funds into a life of vice. When I first approach the topic, I thought the ladys windows were limited to big cities, but I have found newspaper references to them being in more than seventy five offices in cities and small towns. Some gender studies writers have asserted that the separate when there was a way to keep women away from the important business conducted by men, others have attributed it to a sense of chivalry. In many cases it seems to have given women

them to keep their correspondence private without their letters passing through the hands of parents, husbands or servants, the Ladys window seem to have died out less from women gaining rights than from the wider availability of mail delivery, eliminating the need to call for their letters. This is the coolest. I feel like so lucky that we have this insider information and we got to see her research ahead of it going public yeah, it's very, very cool, and I so appreciate her taking the time to write that out to us. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you June. I genuinely just loved it. If you like to write to us, you can do so at history. Pie cast a house of works dot com. You can also connected as Facebook that calm, Slash missed in history, on twitter emphasis in history, at Pinterest, dot, com, slash, mister, three at missed in history, dot, tumblr com about Instagram at mister history. If you would like to learn a little bit about, could have something relating to what we talked about today. You can go to our parents, I house of works just

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