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Hello, unhappy, driving, unmanly fry and praiseworthy wealthy traits, and we talked about her baby. We're dead, the fury, the theory, anger, we have to stop a couple times. Does I started crying? It makes me so angry. I just cry Leah frustration that I can't fix anything. I mention in the episode that I wanted to talk about one of the families that we couldn't quite fit into the episode, because they were really a contender and we can talk about all seventeen that made the claim towards it, but they are the only black family that participated in this matter. and that was the Carter family and they had had eight children, so they were close, but not really. In the end group, they had twelve children in total, Mr Carter had told the press that if they won he,

is going to share the money, not just with all the other participants but with as many of Toronto large families as he could now, which is so heavily, but they did not win of course, and he also kind of talk advantage of the opportunity at an advantage. Is the right word, but he took the opportunity afforded by being interviewed by reporters to talk about how hard it was to be a black man. Looking work, even though he had a lot of experience. He had worked in a number of labour jobs and sometimes specialty labour jobs, but he still particularly obviously in a depression period. When a lot of people can find work, he really could not find work and he gave this one quote. That was really striking to me with time and a red. He said, no matter what education, what capabilities the average negro has? He, Can't get work in Toronto in the United States, he has told he can come only so far in mixing with white folk, but he can get a job

with his own people. There is no conscious prejudice against us, I admit, but I would rather be told, don't come and then be told come on in. But I have nothing for you and it was kind of lake in a credibly am sing to wait a sum up a lot of the problems that were going on for black families at the gap there So I wanted to make sure we gave them a shout out. The other thing is it Lily Kenny Breaks, my heart, Gatt breaks, my heart, it so weird to me that lake somebody article she read, don't go on and on about what an incredible artist she is and how skilled she is and they're like yeah, but you kind of a bad mother- and it's like gave you think she's amazing and has a skill that is unique. Why are you using York abilities in your connections to try to elevate this person's life when she obviously is struggling, yeah, yeah the hissing noise,

I made it my computer while reading this step was so angry. I was so angry. You have some feelings about Charlie Malarkey yeah. I do I just. I think Real Genji, perhaps because he had a man? I do too laughing at your judgments. It's just so. The whole thing is so absurd. Yeah He could have done something useful and philanthropic with his money after his death and instead what he decided to do is intentionally make problems. and I'm like. I have no time for you, Sir Ray I mean it, drifting when you get in the sum of the scholarship about the will, the ways that people interpret it and kind of obviously put there. own lens on it. There are people that see his will completely differently. Like I read, and we didn't really

it into the will itself, because I really wanted to talk about these families, but there was one analysis, read, was like no Charlie MILAN was trying to really challenge social more rays of the time and point out to people, but like there were other ways of living than what they believed in like particularly in in trying to him. You know make people who were teetotaller is own and operate a brewery and make people who didn't believe in harsh raise it. But then I'm lake here you at my love that as an idea but like, but the text does not support your assertion and now endless, even if he had some kind of positive motivation for the for the baby derby. Doesn't feel thought through at all, and it was happening at the same time as a lot of eugenics stuff in a lot of.

xenophobia and a lot of racism, like all of that happening together, and it I'm like you, you could have done something else with your money yeah. There is so much weird. Poverty you're resume in the coverage Everett gas. That is so I mean it's. What was selling papers, which is also its own horrifying fact, but it's so disturbing, because it is so much like their rats all over this person house and it's like again help them. Man like clearly re or not living in a salmon terrier healthy situation with children, and you know it and now so does your readership and no one is trying to fix it. Yeah and its there's so much still today like there are still headlines today where poor people, especially poor people of color, are uniquely

judged for just trying to make ends meet. So, like the you know, any parent but especially mothers being arrested for being job interview at a coffee shop while their child was playing at the park across the street like that kind of stuff. Yet, and I super hate and there's so much of that. That is evident in what we just talked about. Oh my gosh, ITALY, pervasive it's so pervasive. There is definitely like this sense in a lot of the articles about it. That is of lake, these people are stupid and or immoral, so they kind of deserve this horrible life emits yap hissing hissing at least remember my poor husband over the last several days is public. What are you using about now likes it's more about the bag. It he's like. I write a writer,

I think it is. We had a neutral email to take the edge off at the imminent Woof Woof food for thought. It's always frustrating to talk about stories that seems so similar to stories playing out today, but also important yeah. Unlike the thing I said recently at the beginning of an episode it was like. I had not heard of this before and now I'm mad about it. I had heard of this before, but as like of sand those so funny. It's the recent history I so I'm gonna put it in the same bucket of even though had heard of it. I had not heard the details of it before and now I'm mad about it. Yeah same I mean it was one of those things up whenever you're kind of perusing lists of eared or nutty. History, then, are pretty late

in tone in its lake. No, these were humans that were put in really really jeopardizing scenarios because they were so desperate to try to help themselves when they had very little recourse to do so, and I didn't, I did not include the details of some of the medical testimony because it is so upsetting and to think about a mother sitting there. While a court asked questions of her doctors about details of the birth of her children, that did not survive and what exactly played out and happened, and whether or not that should count like. I cannot imagine the pain melt caused,

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dot com. That's s p r d, a k, e r dotcom get paid to talk about the things you love with speaker from my heart. We talked about Lucy Parsons, I'm the show this week. Someone. I found intriguing just from the couple of sentences in the Haymarket Incident episode, because Talk about the fact that point already had been pretty well established that her mother had been enslaved and she had been born in Virginia and then move to Waco that part of it and then that then she married a man who had previously been a confederate soldier, and I was like there's gotta, be some story there that only half its alas, a pact with that

I'm talking about Magdalena Walker. Some of those same themes had come up, but in a way that we didn't have as much documentation of the life involved. had kind of gone down little rabbit hole at that point there were other times that Lucy Person's name just came up as a like it. Another example or in a footnote or whatever, and I was like a cat gotta move for up to the top of the list. I wasn't quite aware of how complicated her identity was gonna, be when I did that because I you know, I am of forty six year old white woman who has not had to deal with

the kinds of institutional racism and violence that she was having to deal with for her whole life? And I am not in any way judging any of her decisions, but I do wish. I knew what was going on in her mind with some of the things that she did like her her vision to have her son committed. I worked for me was really hard and limb like I've. I've we don't know, we don't know her thinking behind that it doesn't appear that she had really contact with her family back and wait, after leaving- and it's like- I know- people who are estranged from their families than they have found- that lack of contact to be a relief. Was that the case with her? Was it not don't now and a lot of it is just not possible to now at this point. Yes, she so tricky.

As I said, while we were getting ready to record she simultaneously in some ways so inspiring and another she sleeps so infuriating and upset exactly our all. I understand you're ideology, but I don't love the way you are expressing it. Sometimes Hey everybody learn to make a bomb like. While I reckon up yeah what I do. I should have probably clarified in the episode that, like she did, use a lot of very direct, violent rhetoric and her writing, but it lit does not appear that she ever attempted to plan and actual violence so in her particular case. Moreover, rhetorical tool and not a an actual threat of harming people, definitely

the case for everybody she was associated with. Though no- and I like you, I just I cannot. I I struggle, I cannot get past is to her son yeah that one's rough really hard ends. Dont dont know. I have no idea of re out. I mean we can calculate, but we don't know the biography of her that I mentioned the which is called goddess of anarchy. The life in times of Lucy Partisans, american radical Jack by Jaclyn Jones is much thicker book than I expected when I went to get it because often

When we are talking about the life of a woman, that's maybe not as well documented as we would like. Often it's the EU, you wind up with a book. That's maybe you know a couple hundred pages long this when including its index in its notice, like four hundred and fifty pages long, whose lets us much book and a lot of it does talk more about Albert. We didn't talk as much about outbreaks this episode without about him at a lot of the more specific details of like the places that she went and though the work that she did and the acknowledgement of times when it's like this is kind of a baffling and even horrifying decision that we know nothing about the motivations for now yeah, it's hard to part

Amount when you don't have that contacts were kind of left going you, but what we can't make it very tricky Lucy. Why are you so difficult I listened to several interviews with folks who were you kind of talking through. You know that the the evolving understanding of her her racial and ethnic background, because there have been a lot of folks that have kind of claimed her as part of the community in a way that has been important to that community like this is an example of, for example, hispanic woman who was doing this kind of work during the the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, and then peoples thought process of realising that the story was a little more complicated than that and

a lot of the interviews that I listened to your people sort of talk themselves. Our talked the the interviewer through their own process on an all kind of arrived at the same place of lake. I don't feel like. I can judge that part of it. Like me, you know I cannot say I would not have done the same thing in that situation. If I had the chance to to start over and may be have a life that was not as heavily restricted and not as threatened that I would not necessarily Tuesday something else I don't think I would institutional as my family member in voluntarily, for trying to join the army when I didn't want them to whom I would not do they know. I have definitely known family members to threaten such things,

a member but yeah, I I bet it's such a weird thing I mean just like in terms of human psychology If you do not believe the same thing is me, you must be crazy. That's, like a whole other parcel to unpack that way outside the scope of this. It's one of those things Rambo is one of the problems of humans. Tat people have also commented a lot about the discrepancy between her basically advocating against the idea of free love, but also a kind of living, the life that, at least to some extent, free love, advocates, were advocating for yeah. That one is a contradiction for sure yeah. That to me, though, is like I feel like I see that play out to some extent to a greater or lesser extent.

a lot of different contexts where a person's own behaviour doesn't necessarily align with what they think is ideal behaviour rate and give him here like to do you imagine this? Is that you see this as a contradiction in your own self. Dont know, don't know not documented. That's one of those moments where I always think Lake is. It began you think, you're above the pitfalls of this or yeah. You just have a disconnect the good question and we don't really now thoroughly now ends yeah, probably not possible to no again out this point at dinner, a time machine lists, yeah

gonna go knock, knock knock. We have some questions precedence over a year now and get a really well so anyway, she's, I think she's, probably the most complicated. Here I have tried to read about in a while and may it challenging to get upset outline to a place where I felt like it was comprehensible and also acknowledging some of those contradictions and complexities so for we. If you want to know more check out that bug

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