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When this year started, we were doing an election podcast, which is called worst year ever and it's a pod care that we do. But then this year became worse than an election, and now there's a plague and a series of general uprisings in federal agent shooting us all in the street and our pockets is turned into more of you, no kind of a general survival guide for the appeal, Phillips that we're all in the process of hopefully living through. We don't just talk about things. We also bring interesting people lion tat to interview and answer our questions and shed light on staff that we don't all normally talk about. This is the worst you're ever on the eye, her up apple, podcast or wherever you get your podcast Welcome to stuff you missed in history, glass of production, I haven't read, hello unhappy Friday, everybody, I'm Holly FRY time, Tracy, wealth and hope. You have a delightful we this week we talked about

Isabella Lucy Bird yeah. I have to allow just because she is really really tricky to unpack. There are a few things that I wanted to mention. One is, if you read that honest a biography of her. There really is an awful lot of fun writing about weird little vignettes in Isabel Life that now or make any of the major like. You know, if you read it article about her and travel journal or a scientific journal, etc, but lake, their gems lake apparently she allegedly thwarted in assassination attempt at one point why its beak she got into a cab, apparently at this point in she's in London. At the time it was common for people who, like throw kind of a packet of papers that were advertisements bundled together into cab windows people were getting in them and she realized

there was already won on the seat, but in fact it turned out to be papers about this assassination attempt, which she then brought to the authorities legibly had her her the place where she, staying guarded that night, because there was worry that she was in danger for having been part of the there a lot of stories like that Are completely unsubmissive see that makes me wonder if Isabella Lucy Bird wasn't just a really good story where with her friends, because they things like that come up over and over the other thing that I wanted to mention. We continue to call her by Miss Bird threw out, even though she did get married and became technically MRS Bishop, in her late forties. This is something that also kind of was the case with her work. She continued to be known by

bird, because that was her establish professional name as a writer, her name often would appear as Isabella Bird with in parentheses, MRS Bishop or MRS Jail Bishop next to it, which is just an interesting thing, but it seems, like MRS Bishop feels like a weird named, to call her to me, gas and the third thing I wanted dimension. We talked about it a little bit in the episode that these letters that she would right back to Henny were dense lake. There I ran across a photo of one of the earth those- and I was just leg, wholly crap. How could anybody ever read that? Because it is lake, not only is it she has handwriting. That is not especially easy to read at lake there's no spaces between the lines the way she's rating cursive. The line under

he's the one before it is crossing over the one above it just a little bit, and it's like that throughout the entire letter, lake is very cruel, and she wrote long letters. There is a story of one letter that she wrote to regularly important person in a leadership position. There was allegedly a hundred and sixteen pages or something, my goodness, and I think but he read that letter. We can you imagine writing, was to John Maria, if that was to become a leader of a foreign country, but I just can't imagine anybody would want to hear a hundred and sixteen pages of my writing in a letter That's a lot of yeah yeah she's fascinating in its tricky ray. I want it to be very careful about how we talked about.

Serious, various medical issues and how she portrayed them- and hopefully we didn't, you know, do anything clunky or missteps there. It's very it's very difficult because you wanna beef. Sensitive to break them the modern audience in and how much more we know about how these things work, but also your working with someone who talked about all of these things in a very old school way. That is not as and get one, and so often on we're talking about figures from the past, who are described as like in quotation marks: poor health lake- sometimes it's it's so unclear, but what was actually going on.

And you know it's. The folks that I I know today, who are you are chronically ill described themselves, is chronically ill and will like name their specific illness. If they know like, if there's been, an actual diagnosis, can sometimes those are also very difficult to get a diagnosis for, but like sometimes we're looking at folks in the path and like well, they were they retired, a lot they seems not well, it's like that's out. We don't really have anything to go on. There's all kinds of explanations for that: their range along a spectrum that includes like a chronic illness, Nobody had a name or diagnosis for at the time, but also includes things like you are living in a repressive society where you were not allowed to have a job or be educated right,

yeah. I read one brief peace that brought up the question. This is very speculative, so please now I'm not saying, as is the case, but it was an interesting thing to think about them brought up the point that her illnesses started manifest after Henrietta was born and wondering if there was at least in childhood and element of feeling that she had lost her attention base in her parents, because now they had two kids to split between and that she was in some ways using various complaints,

as a way to put focus back on her, which kids do. I mean that's, not an uncommon thing to happen in in families when the dynamic shifts in that way. But we can again it's the same problem. We can't ever really know because there's no doctor to go back to and in fact even any records to go back to you and be lake was this true. Did she have actual symptoms that you recorded and noted? Did you we don't know, grant you know most of all we know about Isabella Lucy Bird is what Isabella Lucy Bird told us what she wanted us to now right. It's one of the episodes we did this week was about Will Linda men, pneumatic plague, epidemic that started in nineteen ten Superfund topic when the pandemic first started, I I consciously avoided doing episode that were like specifically about a terrible disease out.

Break just because it felt like everyone was under so much stress about it, but I was like it there's stuff. We can do that relevant. That does not feel like. It is also gonna be traumatized for no reason and now it is. However, many months later were recording this on July. Twenty first and I kept coming back to this, this particular topic both because his life and work are so

to sing and so important to the overall idea of of public health in China, and also because I kept hearing just the little piece of the story and other were about that were about masks in general. One of the things that really came across to me as I was researching. This is how similar this nineteen ten epidemic is with what is happening right now in terms of people having to figure out what was happening and what would work in what women as they were, going because it was like it started out with everybody being like art, plague plague, spread by fleas and rats. We got this. We now have this goes. Is it was not being spread by fleas in rats? It was being spread by coughing

a lot of their response. That was happening among people like the people who were being quarantine and the people who were being told. No, you cannot go visit your family, another town, like not understanding. Why and not wanting to do it, one of the later up at epidemics that that we was involved in helping to control which we did not get into it all. There were incidents of like plague enforcement, people being kidnapped and riots over quarantines, and they distributed something like sixty thousand masks to people.

Urban distributed mass, just sixty thousand people and that actually her, which way that went, but a lot of the same leg people pushing back against being given public health directives that we're going to abandon their everyday lives. We are, I am. I will tell you the thing that I chuckled about perhaps most in this episode, which has very little to do with the actual epidemic we discussed I suddenly was thinking how it might be kind of lovely to have a plague. Doctors mask filled with garlic. I do of garlic me to theirs better than roasted garlic and smelling at all over the house yeah me if you dont like garlic, that would feel different one of the things about those plague, doktor outfits,

but I can't I went down a rabbit hole on the add. I was not able to get a satisfactory solution because there's so much writing about it. That's meant for a popular audience. That's like a kind of a service level read on stuff number one. Sometimes people associate those plague, doktor Mass with the black death, but really that that was much later. The points he beat to plague doktor masks and the other thing is a lot of the visual references.

To those masks were meant to be the like. This was a satirical drying, so it's like what ok? What did they actually look like if this thing was satire and I think a lot of time, some others illustrations that were meant to be satire? Are used as illustrations on articles about the plague, doktor costume without acknowledging it, which sometimes makes me wonder, did the writer of this article in like a popular website, know that that was supposed to be satire? And I don't have to answer I'm looking for extant examples. There is one that looks almost like a high bred of thee. Early early early, diving apparatus, but leather full head gear with the sort of pepperleigh

flange on the bottom. That covers the shoulders and it looks more like a pointy beak leg. He would see like a straight ahead, pointy beak in it. It does have a week more than you would need some kind of protuberance if you're gonna stick by bunch of garlic up and their rights. But yes, so it seems lake there were some a little like that, but the ones we usually see more extreme examples. Yeah this is from one is in the Berlin Museum and one is in I'm go. I'm reading this off of historians blogs. I'm not like bow verifying any of this in real time. It is in the angle, stop museum and they both looked pretty much like that, like they have. Interestingly, If in this could be the ravages of time, instead of the beak pointing down at it tapers and move slightly up at the end of funny, but again that could be just how it shifted in shape over time,

Yeah one of the things that I saw a lot in popular writing about the subject was people describing wooes mask as the precursor to the end? Ninety five. And, unlike that, only makes sense. If what you are saying is that it was used to try to prevent the spread of this right. That's a big leap in between those two yeah because whole thing about that, and ninety five is like it is not a woven, cotton material, that's a whole other story, I that is covered in some of those other episodes that I mentioned at the listener. Male segment of our show him something life, citizen Emily, where history pod cast at I hurried AOL com, and you can also find us on. I heard you app and apple pie cast them. Wherever else you like to get hot gas stop. You missed in history class, the production of I radio for more part from

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