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Behind the Scenes Minis: Tear Gas and Coxey

2020-08-14 | 🔗

Tracy and Holly talk about the use and misuse of tear gas, and then a theory that links L. Frank Baum's work "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" to Coxey's Army.

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really frustrating to read, because a lot of them are not all of them by any stretch but like there were. There were several of them that were like if they had just had tear gas during this anti colonial uprising, they could have avoided massacring all of those people- and I was just like I can think- of a third option that is neither tear gas nor massacre and it Have you considered not having an oppressive colonial regime? Maybe you address that problem instead of dispersing the protesters with tear gas or weapons like firearms like like there's that third option that you go with I kept coming up over and over when people we like yeah, if only the British had had tea or gas LEO Ye.
No, I don't know if you're frustrated by my tone with that and our like. I can't believe you're sounding so political. Am I as heavy with them to our podcast. So often talking about labour disputes and civil rights disputes and all kinds of people who were trying to say hey, we would like some basic dig
the or we would like to be paid fairly for our labour and not exploited, and so so so often that is what the tear gas was being used for to make those people go away, math aim. That is what it is right like it. It's it's one of those things that I think is particularly hot buttoning politicized at the moment, because we are living in a time where every issue that comes up seems to cause people more often than not to immediately want to separate to their two camps and bigger over it like. If you look at the science yeah, it's really hard, in my opinion, to be
to justify this as a rational and reasonable thing, particularly when you consider all of the instances you discussed in the outlying of just really really improper use in amiss use there. I read so many accounts as I, and they could not all make it into the episode. There is no possible way you can have an entire podcast. I keep doing these topics that could be an entire new podcast, an entire new part gas that just go and tell proud that's gonna, be a hundred episodes on an entirely by cast it just gonna be tear gas is also going to be a hundred episodes. Luck that was stuff like you know, minors striking, because they were being exploited and law enforcement using their entire stock of tear gas against them and then ordering more in its wake. Even if you take like the basic take up of this is safer than other
techniques when used correctly, like foreseeing over and over and over nationally televised. This point incorrect use, yeah, like people sprang tear gas directly and people's faces, whom people launching tear gas grenades directly at people, caviling demonstrators and then tear gas like yeah. None of that is the correct way to you, if you believe that there is a correct way to gas people a year. We have gotten so far away from that initial idea of lake. It is a last resort before we resort to wept like physical weapons that are lethal. That's not even a part of the equation in, More though now I feel like we should never ever launch any of these. This could be a whole series podcast on its own, unless we make sure that you
but there is standing by at all times are so angry, and I were I I am not volunteering myself for any of these hypothetical entirely new by gas like that would be a job for some one else, because this keeping our show going at this point is, like my mind, is like wise everything. So hard is very hard. One of the topics that we talked about today, whose Jacob Coxey his army there, his army of protesters. I hope people do not mind that I included as part of this a large chunk of his oration as he had written it. And the reason that I wanted to do. That was because, when I was researching this- and I was reading it, I was struck by how very similar it is to discussions that we are having today dickie the quote about the rich, only getting richer and the poor
we're only getting poorer in the middle class vanishing by the end of the century, which was intended to reference the nineteenth century and yet that same rhetoric as ever present yet at as we read that part in the studio. Just now I resisted the urge to say we are still talking about this. When we got to that part yeah it's in some way. I was telling my husband last night like in some ways it makes me so despotic like we never solve our problems, we just cycle through them and in the other, in another way, which is again maybe a pollyanna way to look at it, pardon me was like well, we don't always solve the problems, but we do keep going, and hopefully it's getting incrementally better with each cycle that is my hopeful take on, Tat could change by the end of the day, because I'm not in any sort of consistent heads face regarding our current world I'm saying our today within the finishing
Recording and going to influence by the time I finish this sentence. I would even call might there stood that's entirely possible. Other thing that I wanted to talk about in relation to Cox's army is parallels that people have drawn to the wizard of OZ sounds a little cuckoo. Have you hurry? I'm more. I don't notice that all so L, Frank Baum, who nobody knew who he was at. This point was apparently one of the spectators at this March ends, there have been theories and interpretations of his book, the wonderful wizard of OZ, that sick As that, he was really drawing from that experience and his knowledge of this march to inform the structure of his book. So the idea was that the tin man, represented industrial workers. The scarecrow Rep
and had farmers the Thirdly, Lion represented William Jennings Brian, the hand the wizard of OZ was the president and that this and this is a really interesting thing wondering that that people always using go no. No. This is absolutely here's. The evidence is that in the book Dorothys shoes were silver. They were not Ruby, slippers like we see in the movie, and they correlate that to the the ongoing debate about at the embracing of silver as a currency standard, gold and how that all caused a rush on golden. It's really interesting theory. These didn't come up until quite a
he's after the book had been out, and I don't think that L, Frank Baum ever commented on them or was even alive when they they started to arise. But it's an interesting thing to consider. I could see we're being part of a momentous event like that, even just as a bystander prettily in a city where, like the whole city, was kind of enraptured in this Events of this march to the capital might inform your later work, but we'll never now, as I had it, Wonderful, professor in college, who, when people would talk about the authors, intent particularly related to you, older literature, would say the authors dead, so we can ask him, and if he were here, he would lie any
I am suggesting that leg. You know you can interpret stuff. However, you want you just have to make a solid case about. It is kind of a funding, so you could make that case that there are parallels there and that the book is somehow related to this moment in in protest history or it could be a coincidence or it could be a coincidence or it could have been a completely unconscious thing where he pulled from some concepts of of that those ideologies of like wanting something that you needed to get from someone else. I we just don't know, but I thought that was a fascinating thing and it didn't really fit in the actual epoch.
But I was so captivated by that concept that I wanted to make sure we mentioned it. You know literary interpretation is in and of itself a fascinating field and one that I really really enjoyed when I was in college. That was really one of my favorite things about my literature degree, but then there are also times when I talk to people illegitimate heavy hitters in that field, and I might go I'm I'm just a ability I'm out like a lot, but it makes it an interesting way particularly to relate in this case to history. So that gives you a moment of entertainment. I am delighted if it doesn't. I apologize.
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