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Offbeat History: Marchesa Luisa Casati

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In 2017 we covered the offbeat life of Marchesa Luisa Casati. While many have admired heiress Casati over the years for her life led entirely based on her aesthetics, she was also entirely self-serving.

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I know I walked upon, cast I'm Hollingford and I'm Tracy Wilson and today we're doing forecasts on one of those people come up in history whose kind of larger than life I'm actually shocked. That a lot of well, don't know who she is because she was really lake taste maker, as well as being the source of gossip and discussion in her time. Yes, she's got a name that I recognised when use sent out, went over, but I saw a picture only Pham person, yeah yeah yeah. She is really unique in that, while many people admired her over the years for her life, which was led entire based on her aesthetics and this idea of creating oneself when really you start to examine her biography and look at her life story. You also find a woman who was incredibly self.
And she was even described by close friends as megalomaniacal, so clearly a very flawed person. So I think that's why. It is so startling to me that she is so lauded as this amazing icon of style when the same people who do that are like. Oh, yes, but she was in many ways terrible, but even when taking into account her really irresponsible and utterly self centered behaviour it is also easy in some ways to see how she charmed European high society in the early nineteen. Hundreds simply by me, in such an outlandish creature, and really something of a caricature of Design on this very complex woman they were talking about today is more Kayser Louisa Castrati She was born Louisa, Adele, Rossa, Maria mine on January, twenty third eighteen, eighty one and MILAN Italy. Her parents were Alberto.
a man and Lucy addressing the family was quite wealthy. Thanks to a successful cotton mill and Alberto was granted the title of counts by ITALY's king, whom better the first of a child Louisa was interested in art. She taught herself how to draw first copying images that she had seen and prince and then applying her skill to creating portraits of her family Louisa was considered a lot less attractive than her older sister Francesca and living a rather isolated life as a child of wealth. She was rather shy in April of eighteen. Ninety four count: a man and his wife were travelling in Florence for business, and so they didn't have their daughters with them on the trip and the countess, who is only thirty, seven at the time became quite ill suddenly and she died, although it still unknown what exactly caused her illness in the two. here's following leeches death Alberto tried to raise his daughters, but his bidding
really required more and more of his time and keep in mind also he was gone his wife at this point. He died on July, Eleventh eighteen. Ninety six, two years after his wife leaving his. teenage daughters with an immense fortune, the girls lived with their paternal uncle Eduardo a man and his wife Fanny for a while, after their fathers death, but naturally they were restless teenagers they were eager to. Engage with the modern world and their new home was in a small community that was about twenty five miles away from MILAN, yet they were very rare. if they wanted to go to the city all the time, which is something that they had done with their mother a lot so there's that factor in as well, And eventually, in nineteen hundred Louisa made her debut and soon after on June second of that same year. She married committee society stamper, decent Chino, three years, her senior and she became a marchesa in the process, and this match was really a good one.
least on paper. What custodial act in liquid wealth? He made up for a noble heritage and while Louisa had no nobility and her family line, she had a great deal of money, so they kind of company and at each other in that regard, and the newlyweds actually went to the Paris exposition on their honeymoon a year into their marriage. On July, fifteenth nineteen o one, the societies had a daughter, Cristina, and at this point it seem like Louis, that was on track for a fairly conventional life. That would be spected for a wealthy married heiress. She had an interest in the occult in the supernatural which are pretty popular topics at the time, but she was leading a pretty typical, though very lavish life. Yet we really cannot stress how rich she was. She is often touted is the richest woman in ITALY, the richest women in Europe, some people, culture, the richest woman in the world during her heyday, but then in nineteen o three Luis amid the cement
Ian poet and playwright, Gabrielle, Danaans, YO and her life took on a very different course, for a little background on denunciation. He was famous already at this point for his romantic exploits with actresses and social rights throughout Europe. He is sometimes credited the inventor of fascism and and Was obscure article written about him in late twenty fifteen described in ASEAN, as quote a cross between the Marquis de Erin Bur, Ayn, Rand and Madonna. So that you an idea of what he may have been like. As a person on wrote in his novel it'll be a chapter in eighteen. Eighty nine quote its necessary that the life of intellectual, be our work with him as the subjects they nuncio. First, saw the Mercator ass. He rode on horseback one day during a Fox hunt. He wasn't participating in this box on. He was just watching. When he saw the woman who he later likened to quote a slender Amazon? He was immediately taken with her and when
I went on. He made sure to attend many of the same hunting parties like aside he's dead just so we can get close to her when he did at first start by flirting with her sister, he remained fixated. the Marchesa yeah. There are many theories as to whether he was just lavishing. Attention on her sister is a way to get Louise's attention or if he was may be playing the odds hoping either of these air. This would be an become, but for Luis, as part of this She was already growing, really frustrated with the role of wife. She felt she was, can find by the expectations of it and she was progressively less and less shy as it seems. she'd, look to others for social stimulation and slowly throughout the course of a series of in events where dementia made sure he was there, she, became aware of him, and he was nearly twenty years older than she was an issue
of eve and his adventurous spirit eventually captivated her, though he was far from being an especially handsome man, but it wasn't long before Louisa and dementia began a sexual relationship, so the affair, the two That was intense society became d, Where is muse and cuz, I husband seem to just ignore the whole situation, soon, we who D had called quote destroyer of mediocrity in one of his book, dedication had become the toast of Europe's avant garde set yeah, we'll talk a little bit more about Camillo custodian. Why he seemed to be ok with ignoring this situation in a bits But we should say that while Louisa and dementia were sort of gallivanting around It was not as though everyone immediately accepted the pair. I won't forces were certainly common for wealthy men for awhile They married woman to fail
openly pursue a romance with a man who was not her. Husband was still considered quite scandalous and Louisa often and herself, the subject of gossip, both whispered in print, although it did not seem to be her she actually seem to kind of like it. She also started to gather a list of very high profile, friends and admirers as our list of high profile friend that admirers got longer and longer. My Kayser Louisa Castrati continued to evolve. She constantly up the bar. Her own outlandishness to basically keep people interested in her and feed all the stories in the gossip girl. so not only wish you not bother by the gossips, he was encouraging it. Yet I goes on who her life and she such an unusual character that she became almost mythical, her extreme appearance, which will talk about in a bit fostered all manner of gossip and speculation that was both tied to an reaching beyond any that circulated about her affair with the nuns YO
and she seems, as Tracy just said, to have consciously nerd. the more outlandish stories they were told about her in social circles in society pages living in the vast luxurious homes that she said with her husband cause. They did have several holmes, often left the Marquis of feeling. Lonely, isolated and board should countered this problem by throw really lavish balls and parties, often for charity. She was often outdated and the most stream and showing ensembles for these themed events and we're gonna talk, more about how society started to move into an most entirely different person after she met and uneasy just a moment, but first we're gonna pause forward from one of our sponsors, hello. This is round burgundy and you were listening to my voice, which commands trust and respect. Guess what my ipod gas is back and that's a wind
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Throughout the years following nineteen o three, when she first met denunciation, the marquise changed dramatically. De idea of self creation, is art which we mentioned a moment ago, really struck a chord with Louisa and society naturally, a very striking figure. You remember that he saw her writing on horseback and was completely taken with her. She was six feet and she was very, very thin, but she actually chose to accentuate these physical traits rather than minimizing them, and she created a sort of character in the way that He chose to present herself so her hair, which was naturally sort of a dark brown color, slowly shift the in shady to become a brighter and greater sheet of red she's powdered, her skin. So it would be ass, pale ass possible
she took on the habit of maintaining a constant smokey. I appearance by applying plenty and plenty of, all eyeliner plea, was really dead hated the maintaining a very heavy dark. Eyed look. Sometimes she would go so far as to glue strips of black. Velvet around her eyes. In addition to always wearing these very heavy fake lashes, sometimes she would have several layers of lashes on at a time. I have hard enough time with one on the right, her occasion. But I have reasons aware eyelashes she's even said to have taken. Belladonna and regular doses, to try to keep her pupils dilated for the aesthetic effect, which also sounds very difficult. All of this artifice, because he wanted, in her own words, to become quote a living work of art, and this sentiment was,
very clearly in line with the non vetoes ideology as an artist like you, I can't imagine that that much heaviness Emma is at times she allegedly war, false eyelashes that really two inches long and then layered. It would be like a chandelier, but did make her quite striking. A memorable I remember at my wedding. My lashes were really to different lashes, but one of them was like. Half set and even then That was a lot about too much. I wonder about, strength of her eyelids slicks. They were constantly getting a workout. Oliver changes in her appearance, because, up to this point she really had kind of look Blake, the classic. Well done. almost Gibson girl ask image, but these changes did not go unnoticed by the Saudis, friends and acquaintances, and so is she said farther and farther out of her demeanour.
Appearance as a way of nobility people actually begin to speculate that there may be some occult influence it was being exerted by dementia that was causing this shift in her appearance and behaviour because it was so dramatic when I went to find our work to go with this episode. My first thought after oh yeah, was it Halloween already. always following Tracy. I know so. For his part, the nuncio equally under her spell so he had seduced a lot of women in his time and He would eventually move on when either his interest in them or at their money ran out. But Louisa really kept his attention in part, because she just stay really obsessed with herself and her transformation. Small obsessed with that, then she was with him and that in their shared love of aesthetics and decadence, really fuelled their romance. Neither of them was tethered to the
there, but they stayed involved romantically for decades year was reading in, in one account that part of the reason was ass. She always met him as an equal She'd never fell into the the treaties. No role of a woman is subservient when she was with him, and so he sort of being was very intoxicated by that in nineteen o Ex Camillo Casare. Her husband commissioned another home this one in Rome and Louis, that was given complete control over its decorum and the move, at least for part of her time to Rome, Remember, she lived in many houses facilitated Louisa meeting some new friends who were is obsessed with our ass. She was including the painter and sculptor out better martini, and the future is Philippe Tomaso Marin Eddie through an enzyme she also met with the celebrated portrait painter Giovanni Pulteney. Miss artists was instantly fascinated with LISA, and he wanted to paint her in his studio in Paris so without hesitation,
she moved immediately and temporarily to France. She left her husband or child and many many households behind when bodies painting which features the marquise clad almost entirely in black, with accents of purple accompanied by a greyhound and sort of gazing directly out from the canvas when this was unveiled as part of a show of portraits Bible Dini. I got a lot of attention and it was both raised as the apex of buildings work and criticized having a vaguely demonic air about it, and that controversial sort of attention to the work completely Why did Louisa Saudi, but her delight quickly, to anger when she discovered the bold Aimee had denied magazines the right to print reproductions of the portrait She really wanted that press and after that it is I his subject bickered over the matter, primarily through a series of letters back and forth. Baldy me finally can
when did, although he was convinced it would lead to a degradation of his reputation because of the bad prince that would be produced. Meanwhile, the number was obsessed with Venice and that sparked societies own love affair with that city, so the marquise A decided she needed a home there too. She had actually set the wheels in motion before this portrait trip the Paris, but it wasn't until after the painting had been shown that a lease was found that would suit her now in nineteen, ten Marchesa Louisa Saudi moved into the palazzo of any aid Daily Yoni and construction is unfinished. Venice perilous was likely begun in the MID seventeen hundreds delusion he is home which sits right on the canal.
Was never completed by its architect Lorenzo Bus, Getty, but even unfinished. It was the perfect place from our case the Cassini to indulge her every flamboyant whim. So far she had the structure restored and decorated, but she insisted that this restoration still retain the sense of deterioration that the building and had just I did it to be structurally sound so that it would not literally deteriorate around her. She also hired a permanent gun leader who was always dressed and eighteenth century clothing, complete with a powdered wig there, worries about how the people who owned the other homes in the area where really excited initially, that it was being renovated because it had gotten a little bit but it was something of an ice or, and then they realized there nothing being done on the outside. Like oh, it's is still gonna. Look like a mess she loved it. That way, and in drawing up her new home Louisa ahead
greyhounds transported to Venice and then she purchased to cheetahs as pets as well. She would eventual start, taking the cheetahs out in her gondola and walking them through Venice, on jeweled leashes, to complete her image in her new city. Marchesa society turned to the designer Marianna Fortuny, long lean lines and rich colours and luxurious fabrics that Fortuny is famous for made the hour A tall and Denmark Marchesa look even more extreme, so she became a really devoted customer by this point Louisa and Camillo who preferred Rome we're leaving almost entirely separate lives, their daughter, Cristina who was nine. When Louisa moved into her venetian palace was sent to boarding school on. In fact, Louisa had come completely rid herself of any of her familial obligations and Camillo society was dependent enough on his estranged wife's wealth that he really didn't make it
about her, essentially abandoning him and her daughter, the pier eventually legally separate, but that was several years until Luis is carefully cultivated life on the canal in nineteen fourteen and another decade before they would actually be divorced. Louis. Incidentally, insisted that she get to keep the title of Marchesa in that divorce settlement. The Marquis there who the residents of Venice started to call luck a Saudi became famous for the parties that she, both through and attended. She became the ultimate party girl. She spent massive so of money on drinks as well as opium and at one soiree, a russian ballet. They answer name vast love, Nanjing Ski, an american dancer being, as it were, a Duncan gave an impromptu performance for other lucky attendees who were there. That sounds amazing. She also had a wax version of herself made and that time she would do things like sit.
But dimly lit room with it during her parties to see how guests would behave when they wandered in and discovered. This odd do oh and this waxen dapple gainer Sometimes a company heard addressed fittings or it would be seen the dining table as though it was a guest and at one point the nuncio even plan to include the wax figure in a narrative tat. He was writing, although it appears at that project, which was a short story, never really to fruition or if it did, it was lost time a key part of her image. Prick particularly at all. These parties was like a Saudis wardrobe their descriptions on top of descriptions about her dresses and her jewels and her accessories. She said to have adopted the habit of shop. in Venice, with her cheetahs wearing nothing, but an incredibly luxurious dressing. Gown she never even been described at times, is wearing more perfume than clothing. This was also
the period of her life where she regularly patronized another one of our past podcast subjects. Designer pulp worry yeah. She definitely liked to draw the eye which was sometimes in a wild outfit. There's an image if you, if you do an internet search for her you'll, find an image of her in his wonder We bizarre looking dress it's made of light bulbs. But then she would also just kind of count on using a bit of nudity to try to get the same attention if the clothes weren't doing the trick. one story of her at a party where she insisted she couldn't breathe and she just cut her dress off of herself. So sheep definitely was into the exhibition. Ism would also have outfits made by ballet ruse, costume designer Leon boxed as well and increasingly the difference between her fancy, some samples and her everyday close became kind of indiscernible and, at the same time, she felt her wardrobe had to be constantly augmented to top what had come before, so she was always adding to that and the IMF.
this meant park that her palace had become. She just kept wanting more and more and more of everything. In addition to the dogs in the seat, as they were monkeys, birds and other wild cats, she then became obsessed with snakes. She started with small snakes and eventually work your way up to a boa constrictor. She also wanted the snakes to travel with her and she commissioned expensive boxes from jewellers that she could carry them with her when she turn away from Venice she's, also alleged to have convinced a zoo in Rome to lend her a lion so that she could have it tethered to the throne that she kept her home. So what I'll castrati was by all accounts. A lover of animals comes up over Well, she loved them. The manners tat we have say in which she kept them. Were obviously not kind by today's standards, keeping primates confining cages. Taking wild cats out on leashes making leopards pull
in a chariot and sedating makes so that she, where the Missouri are obviously all very, very problematic, in short, keep exotic animals as pets is generally a bad idea, an assent so when they are considered fashion accessories, but for all that extreme, extravagant We are always wanted more so going to die and some of the ways that she pursued it after we pause for another quick sponsor break this episode of stuff. You missed in history class is brought to you by Norton three hundred and sixty with Lifelock hate doing tags. There are a lot of people out there who loved to do them for you, but I'm not talking about tax specialists and talking about cyber criminals and identity thieves during taxi than your personal information, like your name and of security number, could emailed and shared more than usual criminals can steal your
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Our case, I made a grand entrance by boat after the rest of the guests, had arrived, heralded by trumpet and accompanied by her cheetahs. Society also became increasingly interested in the occult, while living in Venice and she would seek out seances and other gatherings of like minded people all through. Europe should also invite people who seem to have connections to the Spirit world to live in home is Venice in Venice as guests for long periods of time. Yes, she had people that there for years and perhaps in line with her complete indulgence in her own fantasy world is the UN to avoid world war. One began, Louisa was almost indifferent to it. Is actually in Paris on August third, nineteen fourteen when Germany declared war on France and the next in her sweet at the Ritz. She read her bell for breakfast service, which was, incidentally, in the afternoon for her, and she was irritated when no one came to bring her food. She allegedly
down into the the hotel lobby and discovered a bunch of soldiers there, and that same day Great Britain, declared war on Germany society really, Third, the war in relative ease. She took advantage of that time too tonight new artists and basically continue her lavish lifestyle, in nineteen nineteen castrati sister Francesca died during the spanish flu epidemic Francesca had been the on family member. That Louisa had retained a relationship with, although there is no real account of how the loss affected the Mercator. That's something that comes up over and over, there's not much who did about her like emotional state at some of these times, so, whether that's just because she kept it private because it did not add to the the exterior mystique that she was working to cultivate or not is clear. She continued to travel the world amazing, amusing and sometimes dismaying her hosts
various measures with her outlandish attire, which sometimes included away things take. That was almost ass tall ass. She was which was actually a flask from which she would serve herself absence. during a lengthy stay on the island of Caprice. She wore only black and she died her hair, bright, green but then eventually darkened it black as well and her The bizarre behaviour in appearance led to rumors Redding among the locals there and caprice that she actually slept in a coffin, though she remained her same self. The post war world was less and less her oil stir a lot of her rich friends that she'd been. being with four years, were struggling financially after World war, one they couldn't keep up with her any more and then to make matters worse. Ready to wear clothing was becoming stylish, which is something we ve talked about in past episodes right. Me to wear clothes were otter, anathema to her the custom closet of expensive garments that she was used to. Having
in difficult to maintain when many designers making those garments or closing up shop, her trademark, white, skin and red lip, which she maintained, started to look dated. Instead of glamorous at the same time, Louisa was tiring of her homes in ITALY, and so she purchase the grand tree and on and their which was known. The Palais rose because of its pink marble, exterior just ass. She had done in Venice, castrati, spared no expense in creating another spectacle of decorum indulgence. It was in the past, rose at the end of June, one thousand nine hundred and twenty seven, which was deep in the decade known as and a full or crazy years and France Casati. A massive party called soiree MAGIC, the Marquis of costume does the count Cagliostro, who had been an italian magician and a contest. The late seventeen hundreds Cassidy's ensemble for the event included a crystal sword and
suit made of silver and gold. A photographer from Vogue Magazine was actually on hand to capture the amount, but this lavish primarily outdoor party was up staged by the weather. in a storm. Wild animals, the costume guests were conducting raid, everyone had to make a run for it and as that storm whip, in Castrati who, literally her clothes, were being wiped off of her by this, whether brandished, Hearst to try to rally the revellers. But then she fainted and the evening came to a rapid and unpleasant clothes. There were a lot of other things that happened. That night that did not go well actually want attendee even spend the night locked in a closet for having committed the sin of work an outfit similar to the hostess. All of this lavish living, the costumes, the animals, the drinks and the house obviously they were expensive, Louisa soon blazed through the fortune. She had inherited a teenager.
One thousand five hundred and thirty. She had also taken on a massive debt alleged to be as high as twenty five million dollars in modern worth, desperate to try to settle some of those debts Saudi traded. Many of her priceless pieces of art away and she sold items her home. She also to borrow money from shady people to try to make up gaps in her finances, which only created worse problems Additionally, she still couldn't manage to control her spending habits after a lifetime of just throwing money around without a care. Auction was held at the Palais rose and December. One thousand nine hundred and thirty, two and almost all of them are case of personal possessions, were up for grabs. The Polly rose itself with mortgage several months later and to one of society's creditors. Louisa initially moved into an apartment in Paris, but after just six months there. She No permanent address in the city should basically moved from hotel to hotel. She depend
down the generosity of friends to cover her expenses nineteen, thirty, eight, the person who Louisa had been closest to for the longest length of time in her life Gabby, El Anzio died, just as with her sister, there is record of her reaction to this passing and she did not attend his funeral Meanwhile, Camillo society had remarried and settled into a quiet life. Christina society had married, France's Hastings. The sixteenth Earl of Huntingdon and Marquise, a cafe would sometimes visit them in their home. In Britain, in nineteen thirty, four Hastings painted a portrait of Louisa Yes, if she had a relationship with her daughter, but it seems like it was to my reading. It feels almost lake here is my odd distant relative. Then them like the closing the mother and daughter would normally share, and eventually to escape her debts in France and ITALY.
And a reputation that had been built on a lifetime of invited gossip that then, at this point, made her basically a pariah and high society castrati moved permanently to Great Britain, although its unclear exactly when this move happened by nineteen forty two years, she was ass, the two by the late nineteenth fifties. Sadie was living in London and a series of small flat. She never state in one, very long overdue. Intervening years. She had subsisted on small, regular donations of money from her friends. They wanted to keep her from having to bag, but they knew that if they gave her lump sums shoe- spend at all and then be back to asking for help. The once exquisitely furthermore case was sometimes see rummaging and trash bins for bits of velvet or lace to adorn herself and there are numerous accounts, even from the people who loved her dearly of her ongoing substance abuse, she could be it earns her most charming and delightful self or,
an angry and unpredictable spectre of her former glory, her daughter, Cristina, who divorced and remarried at this point helped her mother ass. She could but then Christina died of breast cancer in nineteen. Fifty three, in her later years, Michaela Luisa Casati was largely cut off for most of the society that had once celebrated her. She no longer correspond did she had started believing she was telepathic? She engaged and seances with the handful of friends and acquaintances who are making up for social circle by the end of her life. She died of a stroke on June, first, one thousand nine hundred and fifty seven at the age. Seventy six, a friend and frequent seance participant named Sidney Farmer snuck into her own room after learning that she had died and took her pekinese dog, which was taxidermy and a pair of false eyelashes, which he then spruced up. This was not to steal them
but to make sure that some one who knew and cared about her preserved them for her funeral Archaic Authority was buried five days after she died with the Taxidermy dog and the false eyelashes dressed in black and leopard at Brown. Then cemetery, one of the oldest garden cemeteries and London, am those in attendance, which is a very small number, was Emilio Bustle Della, who is society's gondolier from Venice, Louise's Venice home was purchased in nineteen. Forty nine by Peggy Guggenheim was Guggenheim. Home for thirty years and beginning in nineteen. Fifty one, the american socialite with open her Venice home, which was filled with art to the public in nineteen eighty one year after Guggenheim died. I was open to the public for good as the union museum which it remains today. So if you wish to walk and market their Louise societies, decadent footsteps, you can still visit her former residence
in Venice yeah, as I was talking about her to a number of people freely, for the weekend. I saw a lot of friends and several of them have travelled Throughout italy- and I was saying- oh, you know everybody- the Guggenheim in Venezuela go yes, it's amazing, I'm like that is where she lived in. They would go wholly most because it's an impressive structure, If you have ever heard of the fashion brand of our case, it is named after her, Many many designers have used Louisa Saudi as inspiration for their collections, and there is speculation that her unique look tall and gone to was a big part of what drove the fashion industry to seek out models exclusively of that body type. For many years, writer Quentin Crisp described capacity in the forward to her biography, as quote a picturesque ruin of a woman
but he also made a really insightful observation that goes a long way and examining how a woman who, in her youth, seem set to live a secure. Conventional life ended up taking such a dramatically different path. Crisp wrote quote without question: the Marquise like a Saudi was an exhibitionist, but exhibition is them? Is a potent drug after a short time ago, six strong enough to kill a novice, no longer work, And in a similar sentiment, painter and illustrator Alberto Martini, who of course, we mentioned in the episode, He knew. He was one of the many artists she became friends with and he actually worked as Cassidy's. Personal painter for a time I wrote in his autobiography that the marquise I quote, lived partly as a slave to her dream world and finally, John Cocktail. Once wrote of Marxism Louisa Castrati, she astonished she did not. Please. So that's the Marquise Louisa Society, who is a mind bender for me, she's, very fascinating,
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