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So the only way is through available now on the radio or wherever you get your pockets Welcome to stuff you missed in history class from works, dot com hello and welcome to the pod cast. I'm kidding, I'm thoroughgoing and it's getting closer to a hollow means that we're getting a little bit spook here in our series, there. I had a really good heck for today is a popular listener suggestions here, that's not exactly my pick, but in the late in thirties, London and its outlying villages, places that are suburbs now were apparently terrorized by this mystery assailant, and sometimes he was dressed as a beer or a devil or dressed in a coat of arms. Any tormented as victims, who are usually young women. By tearing

That was sharp talent, somehow shooting flame that them, and then he would escape with great agility across the country and that agility earned him the name of spring healed Jack witches, something eventually began to take a literally like he was running around in issues with giants Springs on the bottom, but he made such an impression on people across the country that other mystery attacks. Ten years, forty years, even seventy years later, were chalked up to this spring man, who grew even more fantastic as the decades met by beyond. He started to appear in penny: dreadful, switch, her the best phrase. It makes me happy, It's cheap, lurid fiction. I guess she makes me less happy penny dolls, as the name of my next imaginative Hungary, thrill and she took on this folklore persona to this wronged aristocrat, who is inflicting vigilante justice, and if you look at pictures of Jack from the nineteenth century, engravings

worse. He looks a lot like approach o batman and I'm kind of wondering what sort of inspiration if any he had on the creators of that man I mean he's, got the scalloped black cloak. He has black boots. He flies John you and I saw the bat mobile on monday- did capping. The car collection at Chick Flay headquarters. If I like to think of me- and I fear the coming together, but then spring he'll jock mostly faded from memory, he was replaced by these you no more generic ghosts and and bookie man. Like me, of, but in nineteen sixty one story can it gets a second wind when it's used as an example of pre space age, UFO visitation in a magazine called the flu buying saucer review seriously, which you know

If you want to buy us a subscription Christmas, you totally could, but since the nineteen eighty is the subject of spring held Jack has been seriously studied by one man in particular his named MIKE dash. So the legend is obviously huge, but was there ever a real spring he'll jack? And what was he so just to give you some bearing for we launch into this very mysterious early spring in February of our subject today could have been alien, at least according to flying saucer of you, a supernatural being a nobleman carrying out some thick terms, but that a series of copycats feeding off of a rural rumour or just in urban legend, and was saying that the cool thing about this story is that even if walk away from it, believing that nothing had

at all, it's still really interesting to take a look at these urban terrors hysteria in the nineteenth century, like if you, if you think about hours, they the Satanist Culture Day, cares what was going on within the nineties, Pixar yeah? We had no spring he'll jock, but if you are, back in England at this gonna get fired stuff at half exactly. This is what you would be worried about that first stricken, I tell you a little bit of a ghost story from our theme that February Twentieth, eighteen, thirty, eight less than a year and clean victorious rain and were at bear binder cottage in old Ford, which is just east of London, so Jane Alpha he's a young woman who lives at her parents. Here. Somebody ringing the bell at her families front gate flew late for visitors to be calling it's about a quarter to nine

so. She goes on fees, the man and ask them what's wrong, and could you please stop ringing? The bell felt loudly and he says, for God's sake, bring me a light for we have caught spring held here in the lane, so she hurries and she grabbed his candle and she hands it to the man who thinks she thinks is a policeman, but that's not what she sees at that point. He throws off his cloak holds the candle up to his chest and it illuminates this horrible faith with red and a helmet and tight fitting white clothing, and then he shoot blue and white flames from his mouth and grabbed. Her starts to tear her clothes and her skin with his metal clause and how she escapes from him and she runs the door of her home ere. He grabbed her again keeps on

being out her hair and tearing at her clothes. Finally, one of her sisters opens the door and saves her, so that sums completely terrifying yeah even today- and this is the first first hand account of spring held Jack, which was published in the times, London, I'm a story was followed up by two investigations: one by the newly formed metropolitan police and thereby for higher detective James Leah, whose considered one of the most famous early detectives, but James account with Honour entirely backed up by her family as well as other witnesses, though she was believed to be an entirely credible witness the least for most of the story. He has someone, I think was at her. He said there was no nobler neighbor s old one sort of major contest point sir said he. I definitely didn't fini flames,

even though, in I heard someone ringing the bell, but the rest of the creeping up, everything seemed to add up pretty well, but that's not where our story is gonna start because month before Jaynes Attack, rumours of a mystery assailant had already. Slept through the countryside, and I started in Barnes a village southwest of London in September. One thousand, eight hundred and thirty seven wear a quote: ghosts in poor devil was believed to be attacking mostly women over the next two months. There were reports from more than two dozen other villages of a similar phantom, so the story spreads. Of course, its exaggerated maybe it was all made up serious newspaper, men and police. You looked into these tales find anyone who had actually admit to having seen the sale, and it was like. Oh my gosh, yes, I've heard in a you should go. Ask Sarah and then Sir, may I say: oh I haven't seen it myself. Bed go see all

down there about me, sir. You could have asked me about the end. She had sent him right back to your Katy, so it seemed like everybody had heard of this ghost that nobody had actually seen him and the other thing look into some of these accounts and they find that sensational. Raise had pretty normal sounding causes. We know that everything amounted policemen or something it wasn't spring he'll Jack, but still it seemed like some had been happening because by January eighteen, thirty, eight, the law Mare himself of London made public a letter he had received from quote a resident of Peckham, and this was published in the time some individuals of, as the writer believes, the higher ranks of life have laid away with a mischievous and foolhardy companion, name as yet unknown that he does not take upon himself. The task of many of the villages near London and three disguises a ghost, a bare and a devil,

leader has, however, been accepted, and the unmanly villain has succeeded in depriving seven ladys of their senses. Uk. So this is putting forth this wager idea and sketchy rumour start flying all over the country side, but possibly something really is going on. Here I mean if, though, mayor thinks that it's worth publishing, for the gentlemen, undisguised story. Themes, half plausible then in February we have however first first hand attack, which is the gene all stop story from earlier. But in that case principal suspect. Is this carpenter named Millbank, whose a squad isn't really matched the description that Jane gives of her attacker who's. This imposing enormous fire breather with a helmet, but Millbank admit to being so drunk

time that he can't remember what happened and Jane and her sister are both very adamant that the assailant was not drunk. So when how would he be a fire breather if he was a theatre thing? If we're going to the French, take the fire breathing seriously, is very dangerous to do fire breathing period it unless its absolute com we ve got everything under control and you're doing everything correctly. The wind blows the wrong way and your face explodes pretty dangerous. It would be especially dangerous, steel drunk, but still now it is spring healed, Jack Fever, Just in the countryside, but in London at so we're going move on to talk about a couple of attacks, and these are the classic attacks Ex road unclear, a short string of about from eighteen, thirty, seven to eight and thirty eight. So the second one was five days after Janes attack and again it within the east end of London

fail. It knocked on the door of the house and when a servant boy came to the door to open it, Jack frightened him so much tat. He started screaming his head off and Jack was forced to get out of there before anybody heard. The third classic attack was when Lucy scale and her sister were walking home from their brothers butchers shops down green dragon Alley, which sounds very Harry Potter there. Ambushed and the assailant shoots blue flames and then fleas, and this story doesn't gain as much attention as James for some reason. But I think it's pretty clever, possibly would have Lou. Few was Jane was the daughter of a pretty well off family. Lucy less fell. So at this point we enter the copycat state and you have angry man calling themselves bring in a just JANET, the barn, so I'm spring he'll Jack attacking women and boys dressing up is Jack to play, prank Sonny

other some men arrested, but people are also so obsessed. By this story by now and frightened frightened of it there Nearly any mystery assault gets added to Jack's rap So it doesn't matter if it doesn't exactly follow the pattern for what with what we ve seen if its mysterious and must be spring he'll jack, goes on for years and years. His name is associated with later attacks the Midlands and home counties and Middlesex in Pakistan Sheffield and famously in Alder, shot in eighteen, seventy seven, which is where a british Army countless station and that's where He would lay his she'll hand over an isolated sentries face and then bound off on giant springs. Apparently, he's gone from fire breathing to chill hand who here Once again, this is nearly forty years later. Yeah, though, it's extremely

I mean, I think, weaken discount that there would be one person carrying out all these tat attack. That would be pretty ridicule, but the last major Springy Hill Jack Appearance occurs in ninety. For in liverpool- and he is athletic than ever mean he's practically flying by the US. Better springs springs of improved considerably over the decades and the account of this apparent is really sketchy. I think there had been rumours of poltergeist in the neighborhood before so everybody's on edge Chica, so the legend begins to fade away after that suffers. You know if there's something scary and fishy going on in your village, you're no longer so inclined to blame it on spring he'll jack, you might just go with plain garden, variety poltergeist, the buggy man, whoever so what happens with gotta? Look at this from a few different angles.

That was Jack, just a convenient bogeyman to blame for weird events happening in the nineteenth century. Weird stuff happens: you have this convenient scapegoat did opportunists hoaxes and genuine criminals season, m o of eighteen, thirty seven jack and make this rumour real. So you have all this got up and then you take on the costs an omen that job immediately visually impaired crime- you can go, do everyone or an original jack terrorized, the London area in eighteen, thirty, seven and eight before giving way to these lesser copycats over the next few decades so accord. The Oxford Dictionary National, biography, folklore as usual, assume that spring he'll Jack was just a combination of two urban legend, There was one leginn among the servants in the working classes and that with joy was real. He was a supernatural monster so, like he really was the devil or a ghost or whatever appearing into

Among the more educated people, there was a given that it was a gentleman's way, sure, and there was this gang of well off man with access to cost, tombs and, rotation and money, and they had made some sort of thick that with each other, there are around and try to frighten people out of their senses. There is even a suspect for this theory, these rakish, Henry and in a poor, embarrassed furred, who's, the Marquess of Waterford and he still regarded by some people, as the chief suspect for the original eighteen, thirty, seven eighteen, thirty, eight string of attacks because he certainly would have had the resources and again. Possible that the lack of concrete information in rural areas from late one thousand, eight hundred and thirty seven comes from some sort of cover up. No one may be the first string of attacks ended because there was pressure put on the police ya to investigate,

further or nor he was just getting. It was getting too risky to keep on doing that. The police couldn't be expected to cover it up anymore, or he fulfilled his his eyes his that have now done after this classic attacks. Exactly in the green folklore, unsurprisingly, takes up the same position. I mean if caught folklore. After all, that Jack was just a rumour and part of this hysterical panic. He shouldn't be associated with any one person because he was a product. He wasn't a real flesh and blood man, but the research The historian make a dash forces to look at Jack a little more closely and consider a few different angles. He spent most of his working life researching the jack mystery and his research has exposed some of

most notable secondary sources on Jack as being nearly complete fiction so to famous Jack stories, that of the eighteen. Thirty seven attack on the servant Molly Hill by a man she recognised as the pop I'd gentlemen, who propositioned her earlier in the day, seems made up and servicing. That was notable because our aim. Henry Waterford was known for being a pop eyed and another of the attack and murder- a prostitute, Maria Davis one eighteen. Forty five also seems entirely fictional and has no contemporary evidence to back it up funds of relying on these obviously questionable secondary sources of literature. Dash has poured through records, and newspaper entries from around the country from not just the time span, all over the english countryside, even from the U S, because there are other similar. Happening here at the same period in time.

Instead of her lying completely on. Some of this obviously sketchy secondary literature. Dash, has instead try to go to the primary sources as much as possible, which in this case, there's some records, but it's mostly newspapers just trying to figure out what their reporting suggests actually happened and from his research dashes concluded that there were elements of reality and fiction in the case of spring he'll Jack, which I think is an interesting way to look at it, though he's here that there may have been a few jack's and the first thing, the tax from eighteen, thirty seven through eight in thirty eight by the attacks on leafy skills and Jane, also were probably done by the same person, and that person was probably also the same one who was responsible for those mysterious eighteen, thirty, seven attacks,

countryside and after spring eighteen thirty, eight? I was probably copycat Jack's you're, using this ruse to play hoaxes or occasionally, to sexually assault women, so There's rumour and panic around this whole thing, but there's also a colonel of truth so where they fascinating those fire. Yet we think, but he also discounts to surprisingly popular theories going back to that, you have no idea so he's pretty sure Jack was are you a foe and he was not a supernatural ghost her devil and educated people at the time never really thought he was against or a devil, but over the years people have claimed that Jack couldn't have been human cause his talons, his fire breathing. His jumps with and out of range, firm, victorian science

we have done so funny. It actually say to someone, know talons. Those are beyond victorian too. I don't sound ridiculous or fire breathing. Even though dashes me any research looking through all the papers, his figure that something doesn't really have enough concrete evidence to back it up. It does seem it, as you mentioned in the beginning, in the package that people started to take the name springy he'll Jack, which was applied to the same is true of joy tat. They started it literally like he has actual spring hidden in the heels of his shoes, or he has India Rubber salt shoes. She would think would make it pretty difficult to get around countryside. Actually, if you were actually wearing springs and your feet, I think it would be very difficult to not just wind up with a broken ankle and caught by the detective. So if we take the springs out of the equator, and you can say that the fire breathing and the talons could easily have been produced in the eighteen thirty. So if he did exist, we should

that he was at least a man yeah, so I think it at least that open to tee guys to think about it. A little you know do you think he is a combination of an urban legend in some kernel of truth, or is it just an outright folk tale? I I do like this story, because, even if you, are in the camp. That assumes nothing happened, there's nothing real about it. You're forest is still examine the hysteria. That's for real. That really did happen when it's it's cool because ideas of of ghosts and things I remember watching poltergeist in middle school and being completely terrified stories of the supernatural. Just I mean they go back ever Olga ghost, like Jack, have appeared long before. Eighteen, thirty, seven in eighteen, thirty, eight I mean they just weren't attributed to spring he'll, Jack and weird stuff,

then that we don't have an explanation for sometimes even now be ass. I ve had to have a basis in actual weird people. Sometimes it's just folks getting hysterical and worked up about something, but this is of course, a story with a lot of research left to be done. Advises that you get out your magnifying glasses and start newspaper I. But that brings us today to our listener meal Hurseton, especially close because it's made out of an admiring Emil ready to eat, talk very subtle. Hardy, worried, Ard Wireless card among our letters is that it's pretty often, but it's Nick and he's in the U S Navy and he wrote

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