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hello and welcome to the pond cast iron Tracy me. Listen, I'm how we are going to talk today about something you may have learned about in school that you may have learned about long way, and that is Chief Seattle on a very famous oration that he made allegedly in eighteen, fifty four x, except probably not. The reality is a little different from what people are usually talk. Very true, Chief Seattle really was a real person. He was chief of the cyclone, And other related tribes around the area now known as Seattle, through the man. Eighteen, hundreds when settlers were moving into the area, and what, many people remember him for an addition to the city of Seattle being named after him is a speech that he gave. Although many versions of the speech

circulate are absolutely not by him at all. We will talk a little bit more about that in just a bit, so for a little bit a background about the Sequoia, much people Sequoia men, which is an american eyes pronunciation of their name, actually means apply of clear salt water and that they another nearby tribes were primarily fishers, hunters and gatherers at the time before american settlement of that part of the world. They lived in cedar, plank long houses in the winter and then in the rest of the year. They would travel around using dugout cedar canoes and stay in temporary camps that were made of structures. Matrons tree sap saplings that were covered with mats made of Woven TK

tail, and they also were really well known for making these hard watertight baskets from coiled cedar routes, and they can actually use these baskets for cooking. They would heat rocks up in the fire and dropped them in the liquid filled baskets to create a very heated water sore he s eye which they could then drop other things into and cook them. Yes, this the tribe that still exists today. It has about nine hundred and fifty members and about half of those members live on a reservation up in the Pacific northwest thee. Most notable famous person from this tribe is is Chief Seattle and that so is an american ized pronunciation like many non english names and includes characters and phonemes that now exist in English at an approximation of the actual pronunciation of it is see at and we don't really and

birds with in that way, and so it s sort of gradually became softened to Seattle. According to the second foundation the tribe, doesn't really object to him being called Seattle, although he did himself have some miss things about the city being named for him at various points in his life, he sort of worried that, because of the importance of names and his culture, that having people repeatedly use his name in a context that was not about him and kind of a casual, possibly dismissive way, might cause problems after he was gone, but before his death report, Lee. He had come to think of it as a mark of honor. Now we don't know a whole lot about saddles early years, because he doesn't really in the historical record until he's an adult right there. There are oh

few official and tribal records from various points in his life. A lot of the earliest part. You have really a lot of different sources that contradict each other. Even when you look at tribal sources, some of them contradict each other by his own account. He was born on Blake, Island and Central Puget Sound and his mother was named, show LISA she was a do amish woman from Green River. His father. Was we army from those who Quamis, village and agate pass? So he had a mother who was do our mission, a father who was squeamish and so his his bloodline, sort of united those two tribe when he was born. It was a time when huge amounts of illness or spreading through the native american population about thirty percent of the populace in. That area died within eighty years after first contact with the white settlers because of introduced diseases, and by

Seattle Zone account. He witness the first contact between the Pacific Northwest and settlers when George Vancouver reach Bainbridge Island in seventeen. Ninety two in the autumn as discovery Ass, Seattle had two important events that led to his back. Chief? The first was that he went on a vision, quest for Spirit power as a youth, and he received Thunderbird power, thunder enlightening, had a really strong spiritual significance and thunder power was said to give a person power, as a warrior and as speaker, their accounts of Seattle sing a great boon booming voice and that if he yelled at you, The ground would physically tremble and then, when he gave speeches he could be heard. Like half a mile away. There was a lot tied to him. That's idea of sport, voice and speech and very powerful speech, and the second other thing that is an important part of the the story of

becoming chief. Is that, while defending a settlement from raiders travelling down the Wye River, he had warriors chop, down trees, just downriver of a particularly dangerous bend and the income raiders canoes crashed and they couldn't get through so their waters. Their writers were spilled into the water and its fairly easy to defend yourself against people who are floundering in the water, yes Britain is coming out you rapidly on both. Rightly incoming raiders were handily dispatched when they came around this like treacherous and crashed into a tree. Just pretty ingenious right word spread of that he was names to be an important chief and he became known in his leadership as an intelligent and formidable leader. There are several sources that say that he own slave

so he either freed after signing treaties with the settlers or after the Emancipation proclamation, their sources kind of contradict each other on when he's free, the slaves that belonged to him but owning slaves as a pretty common practice in many tribes, often people from the opposing tribe would kind of bee spoils of war and would become the slaves of the conquering tribe, which is pretty common throughout all history and yeah cultures. Yeah. I think I think some people have the mistaken idea again an idea that there's only one culture that, in its labour, their people- and there are many cultures that haven't slave to their people- But onto his wives, so his first wife Vidalia, he was really quite deeply in love with her and she died shortly after giving birth to their first child kiki. So blue, who was also known to the settlers, is Princess Angelo yes, she's, a notable historical figure in that area, an area as well

Seattle was really grief stricken when his wife died, and he only talked about her openly much much later in his later years. He got married again too, and I M gonna have trouble with this pronunciation ye I'll and they had two daughters and three sons together. Now, an interesting part of his story is that he was actually baptized into the catholic church. I think sometimes it's easy to forget that there really was some blending of culture going on right. Ah and after the death of one of his sons was when he was baptized, and he took the name Noah Seattle at that time and his children were raised in the catholic faith and after Seattle Conversion he focus ass on defending an occupying his territory and more on building peaceful relations within the tribe and with the settlers that were coming in rain. The american settlers had gotten to the sound area around eighteen, forty, six and Seattle established

self from the very start as a welcoming and peaceful presence. He intended to make friends with settlers. He instructed the people in his tribes to try to help people may established fisheries in conjunction with the settlers, and in particular he was very close friends with a man named Doktor David S, Maynard who was known as doc. Doc Maynard was the first doctor and merchant in Seattle EM, and he was the prominent person he owned most of the land. That is Pioneer Square in Seattle today,

and the settlement that actually became known as Seattle was established in eighteen, fifty two, which is just six short years after the american settlers, landed in the Puget sound area. So in March, one thousand, eight hundred and fifty three Washington was separated out from the Oregon territory and in October governor Isaac Stevens. He was thirty. Five at the time arrived in Olympia, the capital of Washington, in addition to being governor of the territory. He was also the commissioner of Indian affairs, and one of his jobs as the governor and as the commissioner for any affairs was to secure land for the transcontinental, railroad and now

going to require the local tribes to see their land to him. So it's in this context that Seattle has met Stevens for the first time and Stephen ones to secure the land that Chief Seattle reportedly gave a speech. Allegedly this was delivered to Stevens or in the presence of him on the steps of dock Maynard's office after he was introduced the Stevens and heard that Stevens one to get the local land from the native population. According to what has been reported, this happened on Stevens first visit into the town, but that's a little hard to concretely verify, because we only have a few situations in that the history of area when we know that Seattle and Stevens were in the same place at the same time. So there's been a lot of speculation about when exactly this speech may have taken place in it in many of the accounts, for it happened very almost immediately after they met

It's a little bit tricky to get your head around the idea of this great speech being made pretty quickly after, like a handshake, unequipped discussion re there. Yet we'll talk about that. As we talk about that the text of the speech a little bit, this is a speech that some people may have read in school. I what they read and school may not have been remotely accurate and here's why the first speech was purportedly recorded by a doctor, Henry Smith, as notes at as the address was, was delivered. He been reconstructed that speech from his and published it in the Seattle Sunday STAR in eighteen, eighty seven. So it was thirty, two or thirty. Three years after it was reportedly delivered

Occasionally people say that this speech was made at the signing of the point Elliot Treaty. We know for sure this is not the case because it Psmith says pretty specifically. This happened in Seattle on the steps of dock Maynard's office. That is not where the point Elliot Treaty was signed and Smith was also not present at point earlier. So now would have not been able to make notes knew. These second version is basically an edit id rewritten version of Smith's that was published in Seattle, Sunday STAR, which was done by a poet named William Arizona as the same content, but the grammar and structure different. So it sort of like updating the victor

in english record to be a little bit more modernized in its tone and voice, and then the third and most famous iteration of the speech that the tributes paid to Chief Seattle is reported to be a letter that you see our Seattle wrote to the president, which would have been either poker Pierce, depending on who you're looking at in terms of who sites this speech, but it was actually written not at all by Seattle. It was written so much later team seventies. By again, had buried for an environmental film called home which was written for these southern Baptist Convention its. But this is where it is this A lot of people really dwell on the speech and whether it was authentic, pretty clearly was not but this. Each has been quoted in numerous anthology ease. It was made into a children's, but called Brother Eagle, sister sky Joseph Campbell talked about it in the power of myth. It's like made it onto bumper sticker Isn T shirts all over the place.

It took on a life of its own, it really did and it sort of starts with this. This thing that was published in the Seattle Sunday STAR it starts with some similarities to that, and then it veers off in a very environmental direction, with berry, number sticker quotable quotes in it. We know for sure, But this was not a letter to the president. In addition to the fact that James Gay Pope was dead in eighteen, fifty four, there is not any record of any such letter going I'm Seattle to the president and alive from a native american chief to the president would have made several bureaucratic stops on the way and there is no record of it in any of those places There is also no record of Chief Seattle asking anyone to write a letter for him since he was illiterate. Would have needed to do that and then the cherry on top ten very wrote it and he says he wrote you wrote it. He acknowledges authorship of it right here.

Saving money with Geico was almost better than playing pick up basketball, because there's always that who joins your game he never passes the rock he certainly bricks theories and who completely you and then put his hands up and say no foul, no foul with Geico. It's easy, the switch and save on car insurance known the vacant, ankle sprain, because you're absolutely exhausted so we can save with Geiger it's almost better than sports. So I'm gonna take a minute and discuss. Consider have read a little snippet, be Seattle, They star version and the TED Perry Version and there's a twofold purpose here. One is to give you an idea of the tone of the speech

was allegedly given originally, and the other is to give you an idea of how completely different from that D. The TED Perry version is and we're gonna talk a little bit more about the Sundays diversion in a minute, so Snippet Frahm, the Seattle Sunday, STAR version Chief Seattle, says you're God is not our God. Your God, loves your people and hates mine. He folds his strong texting arms lovingly about the pale face and Lee, to him by the hand as a father leads and infant son, but he has forsaken his red children if they are really his our God. The great spirit seems also to have forsaken us. Your god makes your people wax stronger every day. Soon they will all the land hours bore ebbing away like a rapidly receding tied that will never return the white.

And God cannot lover our people or he would protect them. They seem to be orphans. Who can look nowhere for help? How, then, can we be brothers? It's very sad. It is, but it's also very weird when you remember that he the Catholic. Yes, it's it's weird with a lot of contact that we'll talk about in more detail. The the whole it has been categorized into this idea of a farewell speech. There are several speeches delivered by native Americans within that error that that sort of lament the death of of american culture in the face of white settlement. Another really famous one would be Chiefs Chief Joseph gave such an address we'll talk a little bit more about why that interpretation of this is kind of problematic in a few minutes. But here is a piece of the TED Bury version and its did does start off following some similar points to one I just read, but then it goes and those environmental direction with things like you must teach

children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of our grandfathers, so that they will respect the land tat Your children, that the earth is rich with the lives of our can teach your child and that what we will have taught our children that the earth is our mother. Whatever befall the earth befall the sons of the earth, if men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves this. We now the earth does not belong to man. Man belongs to the earth this we now all things are clear. Did like the blood which unites one family. All things are connected, whatever befall the earth befalls, the sons of Man did not weave the web of life. He is merely a strand in it. What he does to the web. He does to himself then has to bits of it that often show upon tee shirts and bumper stickers, and that kind of thing,

well. It is easy to see why I mean it is very moving in. You know, really portable, very quota balls sort of poignant from an ecological standpoint, which I think part of the reason that method grows and NATO continues. This attribution of these words Who is chief, Seattle is that we normally associate that sort of awareness of the earth and the planet as something bigger than just. What were you know, sort of running on day to day we associate that closeness more with native Americans than we with the european settlers right. It really did take on oh weird, life of its own and the real it's so quotable is because it was written for a film. It was written to be quotable. Yes, so I've read lots of things that kind of dissect all the ways in which that particular version of the address does not make.

Since in the context of the time, but we're not gonna, really get into them, because we know the real story already that TED Perry wrote it like. We don't really need to go and dissect all the ways in which it was not would not make sense for Chief Seattle to have said something about trains when he never saw a train, because we know that TED Perry wrote it so far, there really the rest of this progress that the version of the addressed that we're talking about is the one that was printed in the Seattle Sunday STAR and was reprinted many times was reprinted, not not as many times as the ten peering version, but it did get. It got its share of of attention at various points. That text was reprinted and pamphlets and books, and streets and things like that at some point along lines. Somebody added a thirteen word finnish hee hee with the idea of not to dismiss the dead, because the debtor not powerless.

And somebody added a sort of thirteen word word quota that says dead. I say there is no death, only a change of worlds. That's not in the original Sunday STAR version, so that got added in and then sort of picked up and pass along as it was reprinted we're gonna serves. Talk now about how, even when we have this text that came from the Seattle someday star, we're still not really sure how authentic it is or how will it actually represents the words that were spoken at the time and it begins with the guy who wrote it down. Doktor Henry Smith was a scholar and. He said that he was bilingual in English and do Amish and that of a little weird, because what the Tijuana tribes actually spoke was a language called Lou showed seed, and I apologise if I have pronounced that wrongly any addressed, that Chief Seattle Gay, would have been made in this language and then and related to the Chinik jargon, which was sort of a common tongue,

uniting all of the people that lived in it in that area then, have been translated into and English Don't really know which of the versions Doktor Smith was listening to when he took his notes, and it is worth noting that the fact but Seattle either didn't speak the jargon or said he didn't speak. The jargon jargon kind of set some apart from other people in the area, like that's kind of a weird decision to make to say I just I don't speak this common tongue. I led all of these tribes who speak a language. I do not right, but that meant that he had to have an interpreter everywhere, which sort of became a mark of status like if we are going to entertain this. This diplomat from these tribes, we're gonna meet, need to make sure that we do this thing of getting. Interpreter for him. So what we don't really know which of these three versions that were probably being delivered, was the one that Doctor Psmith took his notes from

and we do now- I'm in here- is a fairly reliable figure in that he was the superintendent of local schools. He was a member of the legislature, so it's not like he was just a self proclaimed scholar who swooped in and claim to understand these things he really was pretty ingrained in the area means he wasn't just a somewhat claiming to be knowledgeable about the. Things. He was an established part of the community right, but the place where gets a little weird, though, is that the column in the Sunday STAR, where he published this speech in it. Do it being thirty, two or thirty three years after the fact was part of an eleven part series that was, liberating the pioneers of Seattle. It was, as we often see generational divides happening, was this generational divide happening between the people known as the old Seattle, which were the pioneers that had settled the area and established this

and New Seattle, which was the young entrepreneurs who were gradually taking those peoples places in society. So the fact that he was trying to put old Seattle and its best might have influenced the way Smith reenter. Where did and reconstructed his notes when he was making, version that he put in Seattle, Sunday, STAR and even his death. Corruption of Seattle at the address kind of exemplifies this, he describes the chief as putting his hand on the head of a visible noblemen and then taking up a posture that resembles what we think of in ancient roman senators yeah like it. If you look at old pictures of people giving orations like paintings of people giving orations in rome- and they have this very noble bearing and they have sort of a hand lifted up, that's that's the portrait that Psmith paints. When he's introducing this speech, it definitely comes off as prophetic because it talks

about the decline of the native american population in the face of white settlers, it's possible The reason that it comes off as prophetic is is because Smith reconsider did it with knowledge of what happened in the next thirty years which really was an orchestrated attempt by the government in lots of places to push native Americans out of land and to break tribes in their original culture would be less prevalent or or just remove from there life like him. He knew about all that stuff because it had happened interim right. It happened in the interim everything that has happened in the interim was that what we mention a little earlier, which was chief Joseph's sort of farewell speech that happen in eighteen. Seventy seven, so it's possible

Some of the fatalism in the tone is influenced by Smith's knowledge of what happened later and of the kind of speeches that other native Americans were making elsewhere. In the United States and additionally its, we should note that Seattle already had a reputation for being really friendly in welcoming to the white settlers that were coming long before Governor Stevens arrive. Also, it's pretty uncharacteristic that he would suddenly have this sort of negative, very d speech right at the level of pessimism and mourning in existence. Impending doom, but he had a pretty favourable relationship with a lot of white said as an area. So will it seems that he may have been concerned about bout land being removed from his tribe, but Overwhelming sense of sadness seems possibly not characteristic of of his other encounters with white settlers

And there is also no record of this speech in this mazzoni em. It's none of the national Archives of Library of Congress. The primary source that we have is some It was written down in the note for in Newt, starting a note for more than more than thirty years in fact, we do, though, have as a reference to shorts me is that the ILO made at that point Elliot Treaty Council, which was from December twenty fifth to twenty seventh eighteen, fifty four these are from the record of the proceedings in the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the national archives there so December. In style and war wording to those the annals and they star peace at their so different, I can read you both of them, which I am going to do. The first is I look upon you ass, my father, I and the rest regard you as such all of the Indians have the same good feeling towards you and will send it in paper to the great father.

All of the men old men, women and children, rejoice that he has sent you to take care of them. My mind is like yours: I dont want to say more. My heart is very good towards Doktor Maynard. I want always to get medicine from him. That's thing when the other is is presumably after the treaty was signed, He says now by this. We make friends and put away all bad feelings. If ever we had any. We are there, and of the Americans or The Indians are of the same mind. We look upon you as our father We will never change our minds, but since you have been to see us, we will always be the same now now. Do you send this paper so vastly different in tone from from this other address that was supposedly delivered. You know with,

a year or so of this. We could get into things that are kind of trouble like that. The deferential tone that people might think is troubling in this particular set of addresses. But I more am interested and looking at how that sound. So much different from this thing that was allegedly delivered on doc. Maynard's office steps you and several people that were supposedly there have. No. Had no memory of such an address. That was that longer impassioned local interpreter by the name of Bf Shaw. Was there he didn't. Remember it David S, Maynard's widow, Catherine, was there and she had no recollection of along impassioned speech and there aren't any other contemporary records of Seattle delivering any speeches like it in the newspaper in Olympia did not report aiming similar thing

There is really no historical record of speeches of that nature being made by him right. One of the primary chroniclers of the history of the Pacific. Northwest from that time is a man named clearance be badly. He moved with his family, to the Pacific Northwest when he was nine and, in addition to working a lot of other jobs from painting to running minds. He with a newspaper man and he became like a really prominent local historian. He was part of the founding of the Washington state turkish society and he wrote to three volume histories, one of Seattle and one of King County, which is the county that Seattle is in in both of these are still looked on as achievements in the documenting of the Pacific. Northwest history he mentions more than once in his book that Chief Seattle and Doc Maynard were great friends in this speech. The pope. Really happened on Doc Maynard's office steps, so it seems, or of on too many

saurians today that the friendship between Seattle and an doc maynard- would have been important enough to mention more than once in these histories, but that a speech of that link with that tone would not be the last thing that kind of makes people question how authentic this recording from the Seattle Sunday STAR is. Is that Smith said on her? death bed, that the account was true and accurate, which seems a little strange to people that would be what you spend your death mere dying breath reiterating that thing that I wrote in Seattle Summit Sunday STAR was really a thing that happened yes, especially since there is really no corroborating evidence for it right. It's just as you said, it's an odd last words scenario. Yes,

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But that probably what we have today is a record of it is is not a hundred percent. What actually was said it just is not quite feasible for something to be reconstructed from notes. Thirty years after the fact to be a hundred percent accurate to what had happened at the time, but it is also important to take into account that we were still early on in our relationship. You know in terms of native Americans and they settlers and pioneers coming in that really and she was still very early. It was so the linguistic development between them, like learning each other's languages, was probably Nino. Still its infancy in many ways, so they were probably lots of nuances of language that were not clear to each side, so in terms of interpretation theirs,

some great area right right. If it continues to be an important address, I think its importance, some of it has to do with his whole backstory of understanding better the context. Which it may have happened in the relationships among the people involved. In a lot of that leads into the legacy of chief Seattle and of this speech, he had Pretty welcoming attitude toward settlers for, entire life really and especially his time as chief- and this didn't really make popular with all of the rest of the native american population, especially when he signed the point Elliot Treaty in eighteen. Fifty five that treaty relinquished all The tribal claims to most of the land in the area. What was the two happened was that the tribes would get access to hunt and fishing grounds, health care, education and a reservation in exchange for doing all of that. That is, as we all know, not really what happened?

and it took three years for the treaty be ratified and by the time it was ratified, it was very different from what people had originally agreed to use. There is a whole lot of rest among the native american people. It's pretty too when you look at historical accounts, a lot of the most me stream ones. Talk about how Seattle always a friend to the settlers, and he signed. This is treaty out of friendship. When you look at tribal records. Tone is more that he was afraid of a military conflict that he knew. There was no way to win, so it's something that you can definitely look at from multiple angles. Thinking about their relationships between these two people, which from this point was definitely not as pie positive as it had been in the very earliest days of the founding of Seattle, were and the native Americans did accuse Seattle of duplicity in it right.

They led to a lot of ongoing problems, especially because of how the treaty actually played out once it was in fact their work. Urged between the native tribes in the settlers in the MID eighteen? Fifty now all three, this flat lots of things, lots of areas of the Pacific northwest they were wars between the native Americans and the settlers and Seattle. Continued to remain an ally and tried to keep his tribes out of the battle at some in something He would warn the american settlers of incoming attacks by other tribes said he continued to stand by the whites, There is, even as of the other native tribes near by and the ones that were maybe not part of his his particular collection of tribes, really fight back against the settlers.

And after the town of Seattle was incorporated in eighteen, fifty five ordinance actually forbade permanent indian houses within the city limits right, so he had to give up his home d which he had not they had already. We know already figuratively there had been of of giving up the homeland, and then he literally had to move out of the city. He moved to the port, Madison Square Mesh, rent reservation and he died there after a brief illness in June of eighteen, sixty six at about the age of eighty, since we're not completely shore exactly he was born. That's an estimate. We know that his funeral involved both catholic and native rights, but there wasn't a record of it in the newspapers of the time not really involve. In any of the records of the local white settlers. To our knowledge, no leaders who had known him and who had helped found the city with his assistance, attended his funeral. So by that point by point of his

ass. He was not well known in the area anymore, at least among the settlers, the Seattle, the Intelligencer Intelligencer printed an article about his funeral in eighteen. Seventy, so it was some years after it happened then the Seattle Sunday, star with his speech, came out in eighteen. Eighty seven, he started to become a folk hero at that point and the TED Perry Speech seventies made him into more of a household name and some history minded We'll put up a marker in eighteen. Ninety there Seattle. Chief of the Sioux Swamps and our tribes died June. Seventh, eighteen sixty six from friend of the whites and for in the city of Seattle was named by its founders, the reverse side, ray stepped dismal name. Noah self, probably eighty years so there is a marker, but he didn't go up for

I didn't go up until some people decided that there should be one. It was marked with a rough me. Twenty four years later, and yes, it was roughly marked before that point Cyclonic tribe opened a museum in Seattle in September of twenty twelve, which is about the tribes, history and culture chief. Seattle does play small part in the overall museum, but he's not the central focus of it at the sea. Times quotes the museum director as saying I think the tribe is consciously trying to move away from Chief Seattle being the beginning middle and end of the tribe is in no way a reflection of less esteem or less respect. It was not very at the last time I was in Seattle. Now I want to go there. It's quite recent. Ah so yeah I'm gonna go to its it's so interesting. To see how history treats him

right now in terms of him. Having had once been, I mean, I know for me growing up in the seventies in just outside of Seattle, there was lots of chiefs Idle talk soon see a very interesting now to know that, in the museum, at least it's his role, is played down a little bit right I can imagine it being since the city was named after him growing up in that area and growing up in the Pacific Northwest. I think that people's exposure to chiefly Alan who he was and what his legacy was, and what native Americans in the area are like is probably vastly different from much of the rest of the United States. I would imagine yes having not earn up a name, in the United States to compare well, and I guess I'd love, Seattle. I think it's an awesome, beautiful part of the world

old, and I am glad that we have the records that we do have of what the settlement there was like. It is, as many parts of american history are when it comes to. The relationship between settlers and native Americans is very distressing. Especially when you consider that, after the time period that we ve talked about, they were some pretty orchestrated efforts by the government to try to basically breed out and quotes a native Americans. There were six thing native american children to boarding school so that they wouldn't be exposed to their native culture. That type of things at the fact that this alarming tribe has been able to survive in the face of all that is, is noted as an achievement that there are still nine hundred and fifty members. After all of that, indeed, I feel like we're ending on a sad new. I knew him.

I think the way to make it happy, but there's a new museum. There isn't a museum and the pictures of look beautiful, yeah gorgeous. They look really beautiful, unlike a really wonderful place, to go and learn more about cultural history. Of that part, eight, if you travel in the Pacific Northwest the native american influences so visible and a lot of places and so being able to see where that I'll comes from, instead of just being sort of the facade stuck on the building. I think is a wonderful thing to be able to do. Yes, maybe we should have a pilgrimage. Let's do has had its three field trip we can visit my brother. I also have a brother

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