We're revisiting a yummy topic from 2013! There is actually some disagreement about the actual origin point of ice cream, but almost everyone agrees it's delicious. The real origin story is a culmination of many cultures and ingredients coming together to fill the need for a frosty treat.
Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
The all New Mazda CX, three, what you need to know: okay, let's write off real quick class leading standard horsepower; okay, not in the horses or power. How about this? The exterior design? That makes it look like it's emotion. This thing was quite literally handcrafted hand molded to give it the shape and style that you see on the street and an interior that is crafted with an essentialist approach, basically trying to give you fewer distractions. So you know you can focus on
your part which is the driving. So, look if you want more information on Mars to end the new First ever see Ex Thirty go to Mazda, Comstock, Iheart or better, yet see the entire Mazda vehicle line up at your local Mazda dealer like today
every Saturday, everybody, at least in theory, summaries here for most of our listeners. So this seems like the perfect time to talk about something called the wishes that means ice cream, and today's I prepared, with his firm backing twenty thirteen. We reference mythology of George Washington's Wouldn T creates a number of absurd and afterward,
correct. So, yes, we are aware that George Washington's false teeth were not really made of wood, which is why we framed it as mythology. They were made of things
lead ivory and real human teeth, probably including some of his own team that he had saved when they were extracted and possibly teeth, but he purchased from people who were enslaved at Mount. Vernon. Welcome to stuff you missed in history class.
I'll, stop work, stock level and welcome to the pond can sign Holly for I'm Tracy Wilson and I have the following question: both oh, who doesn't like ice cream. I can think of a lot of people who don't like really
people who are lactose intolerable, but it might not be that they don't like it. It's just something we ve had to eliminate when via threesome when I was in massage school, our traditional tiniest medicine teacher told us that international tiniest medicine ice cream is a terrible food to eat because it's very cold and it has lots of sugar and milk and all of those things together.
From that perspective is bad combo, I'm almost suspicious of people that the guys here I cannot. I really can only think of one or two people that I've ever met. One is the brother of a friend and he has many suspicious dislikes in the food arena, the heels it isn't cheesecake so come on. We trust that person, but I love it and most people I know love it. I do like ice cream. Did you know that one point, six billion gowns of ice cream are produced in the? U S annually. That is a lot of ice cream and, as we know, we know the serving size on a pint of ice cream. That listed has been comedian fodder for years and years and years,
It's interesting. I will say before we get deep into this podcast because we're talking today, obviously about the history of ice cream, that a lot of it after a certain point kind of centres. On the? U S, while I know
people eat ice cream. The world over, I think, were kind of considered the neck,
This point I think it is kind of gotten lumped in with Americano, like you have your slice of apple pie and there's ice cream on this idea. I Alamo dwell, and I definitely there are a lot of cultural ice cream. Things like in. I grew up in in the Bible Belt and the church ice cream, Social yeah,
an annual thing that everybody looked forward to you for a really long time, and then you have the whole preponderance of ice cream parlors that we will talk about later yeah how that sort of became a place for people to go and hang out like ice cream became really social thing and the United States, and not just like a food to eat for dessert yeah. It's really it's an iconic food, but I think in the: U S for sure, just kind of fascinating. I'm I'm now wondering if we have a national deserted and of ice cream is it
I don't know givethem flavour, oh, I will eat chocolate, ice cream. Of course, all day right, I don't love chocolate. My mother in law really loves chocolate ice cream. I think she suspicious of me that I'm like that, don't work for me. Yet when I had my wisdom, teeth are moved. My dad, like woke me up in the parking lot at the grocery store. While I was no still kind of under some anesthesia Adele he's like looking eyes. Can be want knows I talk of that. It was very pathetic. I also feel like I should give a quick shot out to one of my favorite ice cream places in the world which is in Canada, its outside Vancouver. I think it's technically in Burma be called causa gelato and they have hundreds of flavors of ice cream
really wild. That is where I had em dairy and ice cream, which they have to keep on a lid on it like you, but far away from all the other eye screams, because it makes everything smell so bad re, but it's delicious and that's where I had pairing gorgons, all ice cream for the first time and eighty dandelion ice almost any flavour. I think they ve tried to do this and I love that play slake. I'd. Just to me it was lake going into the factory of dreams at that point,
yeah. Well, I can meet all of these things. Only gonna when I was a kid there was an ice cream place at the beach that we went to every summer and my brother and my cousin- and I would all get these it was. It was bubble up, bubblegum flavoured ice cream,
had little pieces. I love that stuff. If we clawing we sweet rape and I love it and a terrible color like not a color, the founded major but delicious
yeah. What all these things that I, as those eight with ice cream, a lot of them, are things that are done as a family
or in a group or
yeah. I very social food exam, less your eating it by yourself straight from the carton in front of the television which I also do. Oh yeah Fisher. Definitely them, but this all makes us wonder. Where did I can come from in the first place, and this is actually a pretty unresolved question. There are many
front theories. There's a lot of disagreement about the actual origin point of ice cream and summit.
Problem lies in some antics. Some food historians will qualify ice cream by a certain set of criteria and those may not be the same criteria or definition that another food he will use and semi both, for example, separate ice desserts out by the inclusion or exclusion of dairy, but even then the origins or hazy. There's a! U s DE standard, that's currents that says for a food qualifies ice cream. It needs to contain at least ten percent milk fat, a minimum of six percent non fat, milk solids and Gallant hast away at least four point five pounds, but that's not really a principle to the historical record because
we're not in place and we're still trying to trace the origins. So there are many different and interesting stories that have circulated and we won't even cover all of them, but we will do a list about the origins of ice cream.
so one of the earliest is a biblical mention. There's a reference to King Solomon having iced drinks during harvest time, which sounds like a wonderful idea,
but it also doesn't sound that much like ice cream. But that's me
and, in the various accounts of ice cream history, a sort of approach, o ice cream tree and
Alexander. The great is said to have enjoyed snow and ice that were flavoured with honey or nectar, which sounds more like a snow cone but still is sometimes bandied about as potential origin point. I think it sounds. Lakes
green, which we talked about an hour prior podcasting people were horrified that people would do that in the future.
Century c e, Roman
Emperor Nero is said to have gotten his slaves to bring
snow from the mountains so that it
be combined with route again similar to the Alexander, the great thing
and the Marco Polo allegedly brought back a recipe for a frozen dessert from his travels in Asia when he returned to ITALY and its believed that this
more closely resembled a sherbet than an ice cream, and some people say that it's the genesis, point four ice cream and gelato and similar frozen, treats developing in ITALY in the MID fifteen hundred that's possible that Catherine Dimity introduced some kind of ice cream to France when she married Henry the second, yet she carried it over. So those are all different. I have read different accounts that point too,
one of those things as this is where I screamed started, but in and they all may or may not have truth to them. They're all, like I said, pointed out in various discussions of ice cream as like this is very scream, really got. It start
so much variation and many of them don't evolve dairy. So a lot of people will discount them or some people will support them depending on their beliefs and definitions, and also, I think that in some cases a little bit of lake cultural pride comes into it to their people. In France, that was aching from France. People from ITALY, that will say, came from ITALY. People from China that will say came from China. We were about to discuss, Cosette often gets believed in, but the truth really is probably that there were many people wanting a delightful tasty cool treats, particularly in hot weather, and so I think, a lot of different techniques and cultural desires. Kind of women too.
the ice cream that we eat today and how it developed when it comes to using data. Everyone is different, which is why Xfinity Mobile created a different kind of wireless network.
one, that's designed to save you money by letting you design your own data, giving you
more choice and control compared to other top wireless carriers. Now
you can choose unlimited share data or mixed up.
Regions which any line any time. No one else lets you do that or autumn,
we're connecting to millions of secure wifi hot spots and the best l de everywhere else
so no matter where you are, we got you covered
while saving up to four hundred dollars year on your wireless bell takes that any mobile, its wireless re imagined
visit a store or go to expanding mobile dot com. Today, simple easy, also,
supply not available in all areas requires residential those banks that any actual savings variant are not guaranteed for its very mobile broadband exposures visit, Toby, Toby Toby Direction, indeed, outcomes less mobile
The most favoured origin story for ice cream is, but it comes from China. So there are some rough
as to a milk and rice mixture packed into snow for freezing as early as two hundred BC,.
Then, during China's Tang period from six eighteen to ninety seven, it's believed that a version of ice cream was popular with the nations rulers and they actually have debt
created Iceman these men, their entire job, was keep the palace supplied with ice, and they would
that ice from the mountains, and then it would be combined with a fermented milk which is called coolness and camphor and flower
and the dairy element could be sourced from a number of different animals that could be a cow milk, goat, milk or Buffalo milk in the camper was used to enhance to texture and flavor. But that makes me have question marks in my head and my stomach, because I'm
It seems a good taste like mothballed re law, and I also wonder, as we talked
in our episode in the history of cheese, how?
a lot of adults can tolerate lack deuce it because they haven't been there. There, digestive systems have been gradually accustomed to it Ray and in chinese culture and a lot of asian cultures. Lactose intolerance is a lot more prevalent.
milk is not a big ingredient in a lot of asian cooking yeah. So I kind of wonder whether either the fermenting process took down the amount of lactose, which probably yeah, actually, I think no, I think he's too used in brewing in fermenting- does not electors. I'm super curious about this. Now, meaning
Oh, it's fascinating to think about, and I was surprised that it is the most favoured story, since we don't associate Asia and China, specifically with a lot of dairy consumption. Ray is convincing
and it could be that it was so rare that that was part of why it became a yummy palatial like special treat right that it would. There was some low,
of exclusivity to it that made it appealing for all we know.
It totally upset. There's some areas especial treat that made you feel ill, but once all of these ingredients were combined, they would pack the mixture into these metal tubes and then some merge them in an ice pool for freezing which is kind of cool. To think about, I wonder if anybody does that style and ice cream making today I would try it for sure, even if it does take Sigma, but I dont know if I would drag camphor ice cream
I end up, I'm adventurous ultra almost anything yet somehow I would be more inclined to eat bugs than camphor ice cream,
there is a lot of things that happen having to do with.
The area of Turkey and arab cultures, and how that kind of slowly gets ice cream and frozen, treats into Europe, Europe and the european countries, and then a kind of takes a lot of big steps towards being the dessert that we know today. Arab peoples are said to have drunken iced slushy, like sherbet style, drink and medieval times. This is normally fruit, flavour and an apparently it's
add to several european cultures because it was so refreshing and tasty yeah, the travelers that would travel around the Mediterranean and do trades with other countries kind of picked up this habit of drinking. It brought it right back home with them
one of the supporting elements for the belief that ice cream truth. You no true ice cream, I'm making the airports
originated in ITALY, comes from their knowledge of chilling various beverages in the mid too late, fifteen hundreds using a slurry of salt Peter and snow to lake submerged things and quickly, almost
wash freeze them, and we know this was used for wine to cool down, but its belief that this process may have also been applied. A chilling these slushy sherbet that they had discovered and picked up is a habit when they were travelling and they were sometimes called turkish surveys, and the word sorbet is one the indifferent european cultures, as this history goes on, it really gets traded around in ways that are not consistent. Different things were being called sorbet that we would defined differently. I think today so that the tricky when, if you're reading any of the the passages or sources we list
the show notes just know that sorbet is a word that Hyena tossed around without consistency knew well enough. Even if we have ever seen, you know an old fashioned ice cream maker. Do it's thing: you can sort of sea a seed
that brought us and this whole idea of using a slurry of saltpetre and snowed cool stuff them yeah. So they were onto an early.
Sorbet, as we know it was invented when these icy drinks were made into hot
frozen, treats that incorporated sugar. The man who gets the credit for this is Antonio Teeny, who was working as a steward to the chief minister, Minister of the spanish Viceroy in Naples and the late sixteen hundreds he further experimented and added
dairy to the mix in Lithuania's books. Gaucho ALA Madonna, which means Carver to the modern he included, recipes for life
men, strawberry, sour cherry chocolate and sentiment ice and a milk ice, that's often cited as the first two ice cream recipe. I would eat any of those they sound very interesting cinnamon. I send it really interesting to me mostly because my husband really love cinnamon and in sixteen eighty six, a cafe in Paris opened. Sometimes it's called ill procope. Sometimes look. Roma
sometimes CAFE procope, but its proprietor was actually sicilian. Was a man named Francesco Procope you day of telly
and it offered a variety of ice, treats and some historians credit him with
gelato to France, but other say his cafe only offered very cold beverages, so there some
seven c about what was really on the menu and whether he was importing ice cream to France. But what's really interesting is it that cafe still open today, so you can go visit it? That's all. It really has the established one thousand. Six hundred and eighty six sign above it on you can go. Let's go
get in the car. The French had already been experimenting with ice cream like treats specifically a concoction called fromage, which is very similar ice cream. This is not made with cheese, even though it has the same word as cheap.
yes, it's not completely clear why the two words share the same name, but it's possible that
The frozen dairy dessert was chilled and cheese moulds.
Burma has developed and started to be referred to as Nez, which is the french word force now and then glass, which is what is now called today. It became increase
really popular throughout the country and in sixteen ninety two, which was this
a mere latina cookbook for ISIS, came out of french cookbook for similar desserts in
Lemmings are regulated, which is a well ordered home, was written by Nicholas
I and it was touted as being quote the true method for making all sorts of water essences am liqueurs, strong and refreshing in the italian style, Oda
book, was much clearer and its recipes and instructions and spelled out exactly how to make cram glassy, which, as far as increasing the use of a bucket inside of another bucket with the gap between the two filled with ice insult, is described as well as the method for stirring the mixture in the interior bucket as it freezes until it has the consistency of snow,
which is really how ice cream still gets made. Yup you're, making it into funky sides. Experiment.
which you are, if you're in factory, but when people have their home machines, that's it's really. The same deal go and on an otter, Jays book. You can actually read online. If you are fluent in French, we will have that Lincoln. The shown its my French is not good enough to follow a recipe of that nature. It's kind of Eu Car, but then sort of an interesting thing happened in this sort of
point where it becomes a very american treat so I'll ice cream existed in Europe for many years prior and the recipes and the love of the tree travelled across the Atlantic with the colonists in the seventeen forties. There is also this kind of wacky mythological tale that it
if you'd invention of ice cream De Martha Washington. The story claims that she left a bowl of soup,
cream outdoors overnight and accidentally stumbled upon the creation when she discovered the forgotten dish which had frozen the next morning. And of course this is completely untrue. We have instances of ice cream going on way before them and there is actually.
The first account of ice cream in America is in a letter from one thousand seven hundred and forty four, which was written by a guest of William blatant
the Governor Maryland and this guest was writing of the time that he visited with politician and what was served in while he was there an ice
was one of the things said so, even though Martha Washington did not invent ice cream, George Washington did love it. Like that's an understatement. I think he's really super
yeah. In the seventeen eighty four ledger and eighty Vernon there's a record of an ice cream machine being ice for the sum of one pound, thirteen shillings and three points, and even
his own ice cream churns at home in one thousand, seven hundred and ninety George Washington is said to have spent two hundred dollars over the course of one summer on ice cream at a local shop, which is apparently close to one hundred thousand dollars of today's money.
contributed to thee, wouldn, T mythology. Well and it's funny when I was talking to my husband about this, because I was bothering out about how interesting I found it, he wondered if it wasn't, because he had the wooden teeth. Ice cream was a yummy thing. He could easily eat
melt in his mouth. I think everyone
I mean. Definitely everyone had terrible teeth at the time, but George Washington's terrible T, r, R infamous yes
like a new year's resolution this year to get that our sleep with matters. Warehouses knew your sale, save up to one thousand hours on top settling brats plus get three hundred dollars and foreigners cash with the purchase of temper bathing sites in matters warehouse carries nectar mattresses, so you can try it before you buy it in this week only you can save a hundred dollars on your neck. Your purchase, zero percent interest financing in one year price guarantee, makes mattress warehouse, think easy choice. Visit sleep happens, Doc, Hombre locations near you, man is warehouse, sleep happens,
Shortly after Washington today, an inventory of Mount Vernon was made and numerous I ice cream supplies turn up in that inventory. There were two pewter ice cream part,
As well as numerous special ice cream serving dishes ice cream was a favoured treat for both the company, who would you know, arrive and stay there and for the family and residents? Yet when they had state dinners? Do you were pretty much gonna get ice cream is dessert. It was really. I cannot stress enough how much George Washington, loved
But he was not the only person. Thomas Jefferson had his own recipe for vanilla that he had handwritten now any served it with Savoy cookies, and you can actually see that handwritten recipe online. It's part of the american treasures of the library Congress and will linked to the inner show notes- and he is Jefferson is said- to have maintained multiple ice houses so that he can constantly be storing ice for making more ice cream, as well as storing his ice cream once it had been made
but he was a stockpiling, ice, cream supplies and ice cream. I am also in favour of a giant ice cream. Stockpile
The lincolns were also big fan. Mary Todd Lincoln would frequently hosts strawberry parties, which will get togethers centred around dessert service and co, starting with the eye with the strawberries was ice cream yeah, so ice cream has a very favoured history, with american President's an even more modern president's of definitely sang the praises of ice cream. We all love, it
I'm tellin you, and perhaps because of the popularity with the early political leaders. Ice cream was enthusiastically embraced in the U S, but up until the early eighteen hundred, it was kind of my fancy pants dessert for wealthy people and high society types yeah with average. People cannot afford
to keep things cold. Yam answer get all the ice in the sugar and everything else that are needed to make it. Then it does make it a very exclusive
So they, when you think of people, maintaining multiple ice houses there to keep their stock
Oh man, that's not something most people would have access to you now, but the insulated ice houses invented around the turn of the century. So that meant that more people could have ice cream on hand,
whereas prior to that, only wealthy people could really maintain a nice house, because you have to have constant ice coming in and constant management of the situation and the temperature death there. Really. It reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story about why sweetie is so popular in the south it had to do with. If you could afford the sugar,
Ice needed to make sweetie yeah you're doing all right. Yeah go a little bit of calling card of your aristocracy. Yeah reject, come over and have said
de I have the money for that on the veranda
in the early eighteen, forty New Jersey,
wife, Nancy Johnson made ice cream in the normal way in a metal bucket, packed with ice and salt,
great, but this is a really, as we've talked about it time consuming and is hard to keep things consistent when you're having to stir them constantly thirsty, invented the hand crank ice cream churn and her new artificial freezer was patented. On September ninth, one thousand eight hundred and forty three
basic design continues to be popular now, with pretty minimal changes. Yeah ice cream turns that you buy now are so similar to that original one. Obviously, the components are made, a more modern material.
but their value utilise them into the wild, and I like the same, but you can also still by hankering, came in there. You take Lamar work. You are not ice cream, which is probably good but yeah. It's a retained. Its function on its continued to be about that same thing that the Italians were doing with ice and salt mixed together surrounding this thing surrounding the young, the Dearie buckets, so they can kind of quickly. Freeze it. So little change domicile perfection. The first come
shall ice. Cream factory was opened in eighteen, fifty by Jacob Bustle, and he was a dairy man from Baltimore and he wanted to make use of the surplus cream that his dairy was producing, which you know once they had cleared that off. They had to use it very quickly, so it went into making ice cream, and so I scream at that point. You know, transition and became not just a home main treat that you would be using your hand crank for, but an actual industry which, as we know, has flourished yes
one thousand eight hundred and seventy four saw the first ice cream soda shop in the United States, as well as the origin of the soda jerk. So the late
Brian and Edwardian era's saw a real explosion in ice cream popularity by the nineteenth,
all of Amerika was covered in ice cream shops and another thing that may have contributed to ice cream sort of being so associated with the. U S is that during World war, two ice cream was like a huge part of the morale efforts,
of the. U S. Armed forces like it was literally listed as a line item in their morale budgets, flicked that they had to have rations of ice cream for the soldiers. The military
served ice cream to the troops and they even established this blows my mind in the most wonderful way: a floating ice
Parlour in the western Pacific that would serve the soldier, so it was like a floating
factory, it was on a barge and it had to be towed by other ships. It wasn't self powered, but it's only job was to produce ice cream for soldiers which really fascinating and interesting, and it was quite expensive apparently and when the work included ice cream
was a huge part of the facilities from the end of the war through the nineteen seventies, pre packaged ice cream started to grow as something you could buy at the supermarket and its supplanted most of the quaint ice cream shops that had become popular in the early nineties Hundred's year and, of course, that sort of started. This big shift that we witnessed in the last couple decades, where some people would say the quality goes down when you're getting a scream at supermarket. But then there has also been this sort of growth of the booty industry, where these smaller ice cream shops again that are kind of more specialised,
their artisan ice cream now. I visited two of such shot over fourth of July. We get when it was extremely high in Boston, yeah, good, fresh ice cream like a homemade ice cream, good stuff.
a year and we have a specialty shops all over the. U s now and in other countries as well. But of course we owe all
his yummy, treats were enjoying with all of our mix ends to China.
Or Nero or Marco Polo or King Solomon, depending on whose version of the story you believe and which definition you adhere to in terms of historical context. Yes, ice cream, I love it. I was just immensely relieved
the time this particular like, I can understand how it became a popular thing to serve ice cream during the harvest or people who were travelling in hot weather, just because of having walked to a place in the ninety degree, heat and then walked back.
while drinking a frozen during Kurth, specifically and man was a different experiences through the dark with so much better than the trip out the whole
all. I had been able to think with it, so hot it so high in the runaway backers like I'm drinking delicious,
this was like a sorbet that was just a frozen tree is shocking.
How effective they are. Yet it's kind of cooling. You don't owe me he feel good on a day that is sweltering. We anybody that runs knows probably about the peach tree Road race, which is a huge race here in Atlanta on the fourth of July. It's like up to sixty thousand runners now, so it's quite mammoth and after you finish, you kind of have to go through this cattle shoot set up where they march everybody up
This one street to get back to public transportation and smartly, a few years ago we have a local ice cream, popsicle the it's not ice cream, but a popsicle vendor cooking pops. An ace had the very smart business idea to start setting up rolling carts along that route, because you can't go offer that route like they kind of keep you cordoned in police block off other street, so you can't can verge out and have of mass.
Is it like all these people marching by in it so hard to resist you just pull out your money or your credit card Milly? Yes, please give me the pop makes it so much better than if you were just walking without them. We were walking to Fenway Park on the fourth, where people ain't lots of. I screamed, keep cool and I was thinking about the peach she re race and how it must have been miserable. Yeah did not run at this year. I usually do, but I did not do this year, partly because I thought about that horrible March impact of public transportation- and I dislike it. So much says it gets. Let somebody else have the entry there's a whole lottery system to even get into the race anymore. It's gone so big and apparently there is so much rain this year that the park, the you kind of, have to travel through to get done, get your stuff and then leave was covered in mud, size gladness still
kudos everybody that Ramat costs is sweltering and muggy. I ran just not there, but I did not have ice cream afterwards. So that's my punishment than now and I did not have ice Cream Fenway Park this, because when ice cream was coming by was late enough in the game that we were starting to think about when you're gonna leave yeah yeah, at which point I
he'd get a frozen coffee drink. Your also do it. Thank you so much for joining us where the Saturday classic this is out of the archive. If you
and a male address or facebook. You are ill or something similar during the course of the so that may be obsolete now. So here is our current contact information, we're at history podcast at how stuff works, dot com and then we're at missed in history all over social media. That is our name on Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr.
and Instagram. Thanks again for listening for more on this and thousands of other topics, Housetop works, dot, com.
Burma is the newest resort in the Bahamas. A
from the? U s: fifteen minutes from the airport. For an easy.
family, vacation kids will be entertained at the explorers kids club, while parents explore
The casino golf course spot in over forty restaurants pours enlarges kids under five eat
select restaurants to boot winter,
vessels, including up to thirty five percent savings. On your stay visit, Baja,
or dotcom. That's Ba each M, a are dot com,