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And it's kind of a goofy story of weird land dispute like we needed something to lighten the load up a little bit. So, similarly, to the time it the one about popsicle in good humour suing. Each other alive is about Missouri and Iowa bickering over their border was, I had hoped it was gonna, be about winning the poor arguing with rabbit, but it's not. The council would like that. They are also a listener request from Amy, and I know other people have requested it also, but it's one of those things where the name is so memorable that I didn't. I didn't write down any of the other people besides Amy, who asked for it so ass, Tracy dimension. The honey war was a dispute between misery in Iowa in the eighteen thirty's Four Iowa officially became a state. Missouri had been granted. U S statehood on August, tenth of eighteen, twenty one and the setting of Missouri northern border when it became a state, was at the heart of the honey war. Misery is accepted

the union was kind of a complicated matter because it wanted to join the union as a slave state. At that point, the United States had eleven free state and eleven slave states, so there is an equal power balance between the slave states in the free states in Congress at twelve slaves date would have tip the balance of power in of the slave states, which most of the free, safe air, the federal government, would just not willing to allow so if Missouri was going to join the union, a free state needed to join the union as well, and the free state in question worked out to be mean which had previously been part of Massachusetts before its residents voted to separate from Massachusetts on July, twenty sixth in Nineteen- does not mean, and Missouri were basically admitted into the union as a slave state free state pair with me, being admitted as a free state on Mars, fifteenth eighteen, twenty and the Missouri being admitted as a slave state on August tenth of eighteen. Twenty one also part of this.

He'll, which is known as the Missouri compromise Latitude, thirty six degrees, thirty minutes which, miseries. Southern border was marked as the border between where slavery would be allowed and where a wooden until the past of the Kansas Nebraska ACT in eighteen. Fifty four new states that were south of southern border would be slaves, dates and use. If that were north of that line would be free. This was all part of the nation's ongoing efforts to simultaneously keep slave states happy, while preventing them from becoming more powerful than the free states, which is why you will sometimes hear agreements like the Missouri compromise referred to as appeasement and not compromises. Yet what the north actually got out of. It was not going to war Most cases miseries northern border, which it would eventually share with ILO, had been marked out by. Survey urgency salivating, eighteen, sixteen, after miseries, first petition to Congress to become a state Fellowmen,

was a government appointed serve air and the boundaries that he was delineating were between the soon to be creative state of Missouri and that Osage nation, which had seated that land to the United States in eighteen, o eight at the Treaty of Fort Clark This treaty is one of many that was waited heavily in favour of the United States and the Osage nation, Nation have definitely agreed to it under duress and gotten variable compensation for the land itself Sullivan. Work was, to be quite frank, full of errors. He had one job who was. The key to draw a straight line across the state, one hundred miles north of the confluence of the Kansas and misery rivers. This line would stretch across the state, the Divine River This is both a physical boundary on the ground, Annie line drawn on a map. The thing he did wrong was basically to forget how to use a compass whoops, but likely to take into account that accomplice need all points to the planet's magnetic north pole, not true

north, so his measurements on the ground, where he was one relying on incorrect compass readings didn't correspond to the line that he drew on the map. He also marked the boundary itself by pulling up mounds of dirt is, he went. Some accounts indicate he's posts, but the most scholarly of other sources used for today shoe save no. It was mounds of earth. It was not posts, as we just talked about in our pod cast on the schoolhouse blizzard. The weather in the American MID West can be unpredictable and prone to extremes so piles of dirt cannot really be expected to hold up to things like wind and rain and melting snow, and even if it was posts, we're like small wooden posts at best, and that also would not have held up very well with these kinds of whether factors. This meant that between eighteen steam when Sullivan marked the boundary and eighteen twenty, when Missouri actually officially became state. The physical markers of the states

whether in border, which was known as the Sullivan Line or the indian mine were basically destroyed. The official disk of where the border lay was that it was pair. I was a parallel which quote passed through the rapid of the domain river, We must not allow a very precise detail about where this line was number to the rapids. He was too about we're not honoured the Boyne River, we're on the Mississippi River, O Sullivan in eighteen, thirty, seven, seventeen years after Missouri backing state, another surveyor re surveyed the states northern border, to try to correct the errors in the Sullivan lime This new survey was also to remark the now completely unmarked border, with more durable markers the Governor Lilburn W Bogs, Commission Joseph see Brown to do this work, but the little

clear, whether he ordered Brown to find and remarked celebrates boundary or to start from scratch, but regardless what he did was start by to find the rapids that Sullivan had described in his original surrey. Prob as there were really not any rapids in this part of the river and as we know it's because he apparently said Doin River, when he met Mississippi River. So knowing that Brown may, the call to start out with slightly rippling water. He managed to find which was sixty three miles away from the mouth of the domain river, with that the starting point Marie surveyed the border ending up with a line that was between nine and thirteen miles north of Sullivan's line, because while it was stupid, to run along a parallel. It wasn't actually parallel. As a result, there were now to possible locations for miseries. Northern border the Sullivan line to the south and the brown mind to the north, so we ve selfishness. This was a dispute between misery and I live in a way

But at this point I was part of Wisconsin territory with this confusion, now the two lines, with constant asked the federal government too, usually the clear which border was the right one, but Congress didn't elect to do so until I were actually became its own territory separate from Wisconsin on June twelfth eighteen, thirty. Eight Congress did not accept either the brown line or the soul of the line. As the true northern bore the border of Missouri, though it instead established a three member commission distort the whole thing out with the fair Government Iowa Missouri, each appointing one member of the commission. Each member was supposed survey. The line again and report back to the commission, of the General Land Office, however, only few of these three member commission actually showed up. Do this work. One was her federal government out they ve. By our. This was because governor by

of Missouri refused to participate in this exercise. I have to say something like a pretty good solution: How do you like a balance airway to erode real you get together, work it out there that their rubbing theme in this whole story of gets a gathering work it out. They be grown up too much These two surveyors that did show up work together through much of the fall of eighteen, thirty, eight, but in the end they didn't actually choose between the Brown and Sullivan lines. Instead, they came up with our options for miseries northern border from north to south. They were a number one. The brown line, which Missouri claimed was the correct boundary number two the wind Sullivan had incorrectly marked in eighteen, sixteen as it was incorrectly marked, which the commission really I was a fair and reasonable place to put it number. Three was the corrected,

Sullivan line as it should have been, if Sullivan, had done his job correctly and then number four was, I always prefer location of the border what sort of an unmarked hypothetical line where the brown line would have been if it had started with the actual rapids on the Mississippi River from Sullivan's original survey, not this lightly rippling, one on the moon River. From brown later survey, Ivy Lee Miseries preference of the brown line, give it more territory- and I owe unless- and I always preferred line gave Or territory and Missouri less the official reports of the court, of the General Land Office, proposed that the Sullivan line as it her rip had arrived. Only been incorrectly mark- would probably be acceptable to both Missouri and ILO. Albert Miller Lee who wrote the report didn't really think the correct version of that line was legal or equity. Let me at this point: it was a line that existed in theory, but nobody had ever used. It is a border. He also referred

to state whether I was preferred line or the brown line was the better border. Although Iowa and Missouri clearly both had strong opinions on this issue, even though it had not elected, descended survey or to act as part of this team. Missouri made the next move in this bureaucratic back and forth, and we're gonna talk about that. A bunch after we have a brief word from a sponsor this episode of stuffy myth and history glasses, brought to you by love book. If you ve ever wanted to share a love story with somebody, but you weren't really sure how to start that is where love book comes in. These are totally customizable books that you can give as gifts to the people that you loving care about. Most people use them to list out the reasons why they love

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Islands. They were not at all happy when Missouri tax officials started showing up to assess their property for the purposes of Missouri Tax, The islands who were living between the Sullivan and Brown lines got together and they sent a delegation to talk to Iowa Governor Robert Lucas Angelo. Twenty. Ninth. Eighteen. Thirty, nine Governor Lucas issued a proclamation demanding that Missouri stop trying to tat. I was citizens and basically tell him to get back on their side of the sale of align. The also called for I officials in the area to maintain control of the disputed territory, which he like was part of Iowa in August governor. Dogs of Missouri then issued his own proclamation, basically declaring that he had the right to do whatever it wanted, because that way as part of a jury and not Iowa in September, asserted itself once again, insisting that the border stop at the Sullivan line, having apparently given up on the ice. Of a border even further to the South sheriff than tax officials from that region.

North of the cell of in line to try to collect taxes or enforce Missouri law were met anger in derision by the people who were living there, who still ass, I said before consider themselves to be island and as all this was going on, someone went, into the disputed territory. They cut down three or four hollow trees, that honey bees were nesting n b trees were a precious commodity. Honey was expensive so, people who managed to find and harvest from be trees can really make a tidy profit off of doing so. Beeswax was also really important for Campbell Making and other uses. We ve talked about on the progress of work handles or one point were very valuable. So unless you happen to stumble on two on the process of finding a bee tree was also really difficult. You had a track wild bees times. Four miles is to be able to locate these trees so cunning, their multiple be trees that people, already knew about was a big deal. Neither will of boxes that people will used for this hope tracking

no light, so I saw one at the Women Institute Museum in there were New Hampshire, which has inspired another package, the one on the legal massacre, is basically a little box and you attempt to be into the air with something sugary and then, when you, let that be out, you would follow it in the direction that it goes, because these usually go back to their hive and a straight line right, and so If you lost track, you lost sight of the bee. You would have to like tempted be sent another b and start over or or Maybe if you had a really good compass reading, just walk in a direction and hope that you got to the right me, there's a whole, I hope that it will be from the same high variety. Each time you stop, they were can only do closer, but you could end up on a really crazy, goose chase and you're, not a weird rabbit

a series of different countries, so yeah there like people, had whole methods for tracking beads and, like timing, how long it took a b to go from your little box that you made to where its mystery have wasn't back. So yeah, if you think it's probably difficult to track while bees. Yes, these are hard to keep up with the fly and our small obediently report. In now, but also I mean to be really honest, it's kind of unclear who cut down these be trees. We don't know who cut them down however, the story is that Missourians cut down the beach trees. I totally new innately that it was somebody from Azeri. Nobody from Iowa would do that. There are not any court records to support this, but the story is that Iowa then try this unknown person or persons in absentia and then find a dollar and fifty cents, whether this really happened, is kind of unclear. But the story that it had happened since

so Iowa was furious that Missouri for cutting down the beach trees. In Missouri was furious that I'll ever trying its citizens, who were not even present for the trial in a court in which they did not. Haven't you jurisdiction, Sheriff Gregory Who is one of the Missourians who had previously tried to enforce the law north of the Sullivan lime made another trick? cross. That line to try to collect taxes he was arrested in jail, by an Iowa sheriff and his. Appearance led some missourians to believe that he had been kidnapped, which is when Governor Bogs called in the militia. This is all like such a terrible telephony gossipy, schoolyard situation. Meanwhile, in Iowa, the legislative assembly passed a resolution in November, insisting that the two governors meat and work it out between themselves governor look ass. He was governor. I, on the other hand, if need be

that resolution and said that it was the United States that needed to do the working out and not the individual states themselves, so that are not on November. Twenty third eighteen nine Governor Lucas, ordered and General David Wills and general awaits Alan former militia as well for the purpose of resisting Missouri. It is completely you're exactly how large either of these militias were. Estimates for both are all over the man from the hundreds to the thousands, however, the general census is that Missouri Militia was bigger than I was, and I always Wasn't really mustard until this was all pretty much over by militias are also pretty ragtag. The men were responsible for. And weapons, which meant that they were full of assorted odds and ends. Them dating all the way back to the war of eighteen twelve summit

stranger weapons that have been noted on the Iowa side of this conflict included a six foot long sword that was cut out of a piece of metal, a dash her from a better turn. That's the thing that you turn up and down to make better and a sausage suffer even though tensions had been high among the island's. Actually, king, the disputed territory, most of the men in the militia, work local to that little strip of land and they didn't really care most had joined up because it was winter. They needed the money, which meant that morale was poor and desertion were many. The Missouri militia, on the other hand, was so poorly provision that at one point that resorted to robbing a store to get food and blankets. Eventually, Thomas a Anderson and misery did what seems like the only sensible thing in this story. So far he advocates did for a Missouri Iowa Commission to be formed to work. This whole thing out in his words quote in the name

God have mercy and justice. Gentlemen. Let this monumental piece of absurdity this monumental, but cruel blundering, am an end. So line is not entirely clear here, since both Missouri and I were claimed that it was them drafted. A resolution on December, twelve eighteen, nine requesting that both governors step away from this issue and for real handed over to the federal government. Basically, kids, stop fighting. Give it a moment that at last. The two states agreed to do so, which put an end to the need for militia on either side, while the YO a militia didn't particularly care about the conflict in play. The Missouri, Malaysia was apparently angry that their opportunity to fight had been taken away from them. They split the venison into two halves named each one after one of the respective governors and shot them both to bits and then both businesses eventually disbanded and went home and sword.

I agree that there is a very angry. They sought a dagger carcass we lay buried it afterward would like a very late, very formal, serious funeral as you do. After you, ve had a weird tat for me: shoot out with your kids. After all, this odd back and forth No government finally did get involved and we're gonna talk about that after we have a word from one of our fabulous sponsors, so he mentioned There I am getting married muzzle The only reason I found an uncertain about that is because, as it turns out planning a wedding, even when you arse diverging from a lot of like they quote Traditional wedding staples, that's a lot of work and it can be very stressful and the one thing that has been a completely stressed free, easy, intuitive experience was actually making my wedding website, which I did ask where spacewalk arm excellent. So here's live awesome

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There was also more at stake in this boundary issue than just be trees and her feelings. The Missouri boundary was moved north. The territory slavery was allowed, would also move north. This would put islands who thought they were living in a freeze instead in a slave states, and many of them consider this idea to be absolutely appalling. In the middle of all this, I became an actual state on December. Twenty eighth eighteen, forty six Florida a slave state had been admitted to the union in eighteen, forty five, so that once again maintained the fifty fifty slave state, free state split. Finally, after Iowa have become a state Congress suggested emissary turn it over to the Supreme Court for a definitive answer. The sea was brought before the court in eighteen, forty seven and in the words of the court quote, a great mass of evidence was taken on both sides. This evidence included a number of smaller shifts and seated land, but that we did not go into in this package must if he knew her

court opinion exists on the internet. You can read it and read how exasperated that it sounds justice, John Cater, I'm speaking for the court, delivered the court's opinion on April sixth, eighteen, forty, nine it's that, among other things quote and court. Doth therefore see property decree and doth accordingly order. A judge index that the true improper, northern boundary line and other state of misery and the true said battery of a state of I is the one run and marked in eighteen, sixteen by John C Sullivan as the indian boundary from the northwest corner made by said Sullivan, extending eastwardly he ran and marked the said, learn to the middle of the domain river and let alone due west from said, northwest corner in the middle of the Missouri River proper dividing line between Said states, west of the aforesaid corner, and that this day of Missouri and Iowa are bound to conform. Their jurisdictions of two said line on their respective sides thereof

from the river the Moyne to the River Missouri. In other words, the court ruled that eleven line was the right one due in part to the many existing treaties with the Osage nation that use that line is a border along at the Missouri State Constitution and other official documents signed, who have talked about a lot of different lines here. Think just to make it totally clear that originally income mark. The border made with compass readings that were pointing to the magnetic north instead of true North, like that, was the one that we went and as as I I was thinking of the moral of the story- is due job and that will be found I move Also, if you, if you were you kind of zoned out with all of the kind of weighty language, the court at the end of that little say what we just read also pretty clearly said that Missouri needed to knock it off with its attempts to collect taxes and enforce law north of the cell in line

Joseph see, Brown of Missouri and Henry be hindered. Shot of Iowa were appointed to work together to find the Sullivan line and market for real this time, not with tiny stakes or mountain they use Ass iron pillars, forefeet six inches tall marked with Iowa on one in Missouri on the other and state lying down the sides, one was placed every ten sales and misery in Iowa split the cost of this endeavour. At this, though, there's so much detail in their about like having the states names marked on each side. I know I know I know we have lots of listeners in both of these states and I am sure everyone is proud of their states. It is still extremely funny This whole situation- and it really reminds me of when parents mark the line down quarterly chill quarrelling children's bed rooms with tape, yeah Darth. Today, at the third issue, I think

I am going to be totally candid here, as I was as I was looking for, were a topic for today's episode I nearly landed on. Similarly, squabbling back and forth kind of childish incident from here if my home state, which is North Carolina, so this everywhere I warn you know trying to reform I bet every state has some equally absurd event in its history. There are quite a lot of them, yet sadly, together to this. We surveying and marking of the line with people's names on or with the states names on each side, Brown actually died before this work was complete, said Robert W Wells was appointed as his replacement in eighteen

be six. There was yet another research bay of this boundary line running from mile post. Forty two mile pose sixty east granite markers were at that point placed every mile along this piece of the boundary. Apparently, even though they use these cast iron pillars that were forefeet, six inches taller peace, which is well over, Peter Young with all of the weather and erosion, and the fact that a lot of this is basically it and in river soil. A lot of these pillars are hard to find. Even today they ve been covered up by shifting dirt and shifting silt and stuff. Like that, so We will have another argument about whose boundary is winger year, except now we can use satellite imaging and all kinds of new thing argue well in one of one of the things that I read, I more accurately one of the things I skimmed as I was looking in

this was basically a modern surveyors article about having like looked for this line. Using you know, Gs Systems ran like that, so that was pretty cool paralyses the line of still interests, people quite awhile We have one from an Egypt, egyptologist harangues from Catherine conferences, high Hollywood Tracy, I'm a little late in catching up with your most recent episodes that you may have already got any answer to this question. However, just in case you haven't in your unearth and twenty fifteen per one, zero, you may remember recently we read illicit or mail. For me, non Egypt I'll just by Egypt, history enthusiasts today, we have one from an Egypt, egyptologist harangues from Catherine in conferences, high Hollywood Tracy, I'm a little late in catching up with your most recent episodes. Are. You may have already got any answer to this question, however, just in case you haven't in your unearth and twenty four.

In part. One episode. You, ladies asked red, knowledgeable Egyptologists away in a confusion over the spelling, kinda colleague, third husband and husbands, name Nough Rave, or rather breath while I am no longer- and I have an active egyptologist and far from the moon. Eligible, I can tell you that we wacky anagram switch. He noticed in spelling of the king's name is the result of honorific trans position and a unique feature of the higher Griffith hieroglyphic language. In honorific trans position, the lifts within a word or sentence are intentionally placed out of phonetic, slash, grammatical order. In order to pay homage to the gods workings whose names are represented by the cliffs by putting those lives. First. That means that, even though no rephrase name is filled with the solar disk, Reg live coming Erst, it may not necessarily be pronounced with that phonetic value. First was intentional. Miss ordering has caused a lot of confusion in modern translations

I convention, all fear is named, spell outwards or phrases, often devotional, indifferent gods. Many various names contain the name of the God, re or raw spelled with the regular first, but our plan faced with the re somewhere else in the world, and this is borne out by the grammatical correctness of the phrasing of particular name and afraid raise name there or, in the fray phrase case his knee is an Ebby nominal sentence which essentially that it can correctly spell out the phrase. His beauty is re, afraid, re or re is his beauty whenever This interchange ability means that is more ambiguous, whether the re should be moved to the end of his name or not, was probably the main reason why their inconsistency across different sources for more detail

Some additional examples: it can take a look at this Quicken Beryl dirty article. I wrote for Cora startling to that which you put an option. It keep up the good work on your excellent pike. S. Let me know if you ever need any other Egyptology advising and then Catherine sins and actual image of the hired with expelling of this fear, his name, which was meant to be read from top to bottom. I am pretty certain that, because of the aims of the egyptian language and the fact that it so fundamentally different from English. There are probably multiple factors in play and why these names are also confusing justice and the egyptian Lincoln Evolved as well, it wasn't like clarity, static and we could set out sort of like how anglers also has evolved, what no way language

alive when we first started working on the spot cast. My had linked to my very very first list of of ideas, talk about on the show. One of the things that I had down was like the great vowel shifts, which is basically the english language tilting in the way that it pronounced vows. Now, there's a lot of weird stuff, you move history of the english language now and then I decided that was maybe a little too inside baseball for our history by gas, but never done it so yeah. Thank you so much Catherine for writing. Us that note. If you'd like to write to us about this or any other pot Cassowary History Party asked it has to work Stockholm browser on Facebook, Facebook that harms lashless than history and aren't we

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