When Arthur was selected as the Republican party’s vice presidential nominee in 1880, questions arose about whether he had been born in the United States and consequently whether he was eligible to be vice president at all.
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you missed in history class of production of I hurried use, how stuff works hello and welcome the Divine Caslon Tracy Bewildered and how we fry last time and our episode about Julia Fan letters to Chester Arthur we mentioned, but when Arthur was selected as the republican parties vice presidential Domini and eighty, maybe some Questions came up about whether or not he had been born in the United States and consequently, whether he was eligible to be vice president at all, and some of the details of this it convoluted and it's not necessarily everyday knowledge. Today. I think the random people in my wife that I asked had ever heard about this had not, but at the same time it has had a surprising amount of staying power and
after doing a little bit of research into this, while doing that Julius and episode, I couldn't decide what to make of the whole thing. So I tax that my friend Amy, whose history teacher asked her. Do you have an opinion on whether Chester a Arthur was born in the United States? She did not have an opinion, and then we talked about it for them. Two hours. Fifth, over the course of that kind. Station, we're both like this needs to be a whole. there are not just a to sentence side reference in the Julia Sand. Thanks, though, here it is the questions about Chester Arthur's birth, really traced back to his dad Arthur's William Arthur was born December fifth, seventeen. Ninety six in county anteroom, Ireland, his family had enough money for him to get an education, including pursuing a degree of Belfast College, but William wanted to practice and they didn't really have the money or connections that he needed to do, that
so William emigrated to Canada around eighteen nineteen hoping to find more opportunities there. He settled income back not far from the United States Border and supported him health by teaching, while he was still studying LA in eighteen, twenty and he married an american woman. Named MAO Venus Stone from Vermont per family had moved to Canada. and then they had a daughter named Regina, born in Dunham Canada in eighteen. Twenty two years later in eighteen, twenty four, the couple move to Burlington Vermont and Arthur continued to teach in study law and their daughter, Jane, was born and Burlington Vermont that same year, William, there never put those years of legal study into practice whose, during the religious revival known as the second great awakening Arthur, had been raised, Anglican and after attending a revival meeting he converted to free Baptist
as that was happening, he and his wife had another daughter. I made a born in Jericho, Vermont in eighteen, twenty six by eighteen, twenty eight, they were living in water, Urville Vermont, where their daughter and Eliza was born. and later that year, Arthur was ordained in water from that point on people? We knew him as the elder Arthur. He also apparently stopped registering the birth of his children with civil authority. he's at this time in May of eighteen. Twenty eight the family moved to Fairfield Vermont we're a congregation had William as their preacher in therapy old elder, Arthur continued to teach to help make ends meet often with his students lodging with the family. The congregation was grow in building things like a new parsonage and a new church, but the Arthur's often struggled financially when fears were especially hard because William was disabled due to some kind of abscess or injury to one of his legs back when he was still living in Ireland. It was harder,
for him to do physical work or get around in the harsh snowy weather. Winter Vermont on October, fifth, eighteen nine, William and Albina welcomed the sun, and they named him Chester. After about his cousin Doktor Chester, able who had attended her during the birth, the baby's middle, Alan was after his paternal grandfathers, though his full name was representing both sides of the family. In October of eighteen, thirty elder Arthur took a second job. across the canadian border in east, stand bridge, cut back to try to support his still growing family. They would ultimately go on to have eight children. He took his eldest daughter, Regina with him. He commuted back to fear field to preach his Sunday sermons there within a year, though, the family was moving yet again. In addition to being, teacher and a preacher. William Arthur was an ardent abolitionist. Vermont had started. The process of abolishing
slavery back in one thousand. Seven hundred and seventy seven and black men in Vermont have been given the right to vote, but in the 1830s the idea of abolishing slavery throughout the United States was incredibly controversial. Pro library and anti abolition riots and other violence were pretty common, including in places where slavery had already been abolished. William was really outspoken in his views against slavery and before long he was no longer welcome in Fairfield the family moved repeatedly over the next few years. Mostly around Vermont in New York, they would stay in a place until they, run out of town by anti abolitionists or until church leadership decided Williams activities were too much ability throughout all of this Chester, Arthur in his siblings or being taught at home that chain. when the family moved to Schenectady New York in the summer of eighteen. Forty four for the first time Chester was enrolled in a formal school. He went disconnected these lyceum and a cat
and then he started at union College in eighteen, forty five. He took up the study of law his father had previously abandoned. Also like his father, Chester Arthur worked as a teacher to support his study of law. This included summer teaching jobs and in eighteen, fifty one a post as principle of the school where two of his sisters worked there, it was also assigned to teach a group of particularly ill behaved boys. He also developed romantic friendships with two other young men Campbell Alan and James Maston. James would later Mary Chest her sister Al Meda, and they got older Chester and some of his siblings became pretty disenchanted with their fathers self righteous. Beer and has almost zealous pursuit of both religion and abolition. So Chester having the option to do so left home, he moved to New York City in eighteen. Fifty three
soon he was moving in republic in political circles and the rest of that story is an hour earlier episode on his letters from Julia Sand. In June of eighteen, eighty Chester, Arthur became the Republican Party nominee for vice president of the United States, so The Arthur families. Nomadic life during the eighteen, twenties and thirties elder are there's not reporting his younger children's births and chest? Arthur's extreme secrecy, with the press all combined to cause a problem. Rumour started despair. among both Democrats and the moderate republican faction known as halfbreeds in some versions Arthur had been born in his father's birthplace of Ireland and other versions. He had been born in Canada
Ireland rumour was quickly dismissed, is impossible, but that Canada rumour hung on according to article two section, one of the: U S: constitution quote no person except a natural born citizen or a citizen of the United States. At the time of the adoption of this constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President and according to the twelfth amendment took effect in eighteen, o four quote: no person constitutionally and eligible to the Office of President shall be eligible to that. A vice president of the United States. The constitution doesn't define exactly what natural born citizen means, but it's generally defined as someone who was a citizen from the time they were born without having to go the Naturalisation process, Winchester Arthur, was born It was generally agreed that free white people born in the United States where citizens from birth, although it wasn't form part of the law. Until later, the law also recognize that a person might be born.
Outside of the United States citizen parents and still be considered a citizen from birth. But at that time the law considered the citizenship to pass through the father and not through the mother. Arthur's father didn't become a: u DOT S citizen until one thousand eight hundred and forty three way after he was born. So if Arthur had been born in Canada, he would not be considered a. U S. Citizen even his mother with a citizen and we're going two how all of this unfolded after we. First, take a little sponsor break. This episode is broad. You buy me and the Mossy Ex thirty, a truly remarkable suv. The sea thirty size to be agile in the city while still having the interior space and utility to go anywhere at any time encouraging an active lifestyle then one thing Mazda has done is designed a vehicle that is meant to enhance your experience of moving through an environment not to shut you away from it. There are fewer distraction,
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The entire Mazda vehicle lineup visit your local area, Mazda dealer today, the one thousand nine hundred and eighty republican national convention ran from June second to eighth of that year and then on June. Ninth, the day after it was over, the New York Times ran a profile of the party's new bicep Mental nominee, which stated Quote General Chester. A Arthur was born in France. When County Vermont October fifth, eighteen thirty on June, Eleventh Saint John, very Caledonian of Saint John Braver, MOT wrote, quote: the paper say Chester Arthur was born in Langsyne Burg New York fifty years ago, but his father used to live in Vermont and some say the candidate was born in Fairfield. On June twelve, the carbon advocate of Lee heightened Pennsylvania, published an artist. But said he had been born in Vermont in eighteen, thirty, one, the Abbeville Press and
honor of Abigail South Carolina published an article on the twenty third that said, Arthur had been born in Albany in eighteen, thirty one. He was born seven times in various places. a little later in eighteen, eighty general James as Brisbane published a biography for the campaign called from the tow path to the White House, the early life and public career of James, a Garfield Major General USA, there I of a wonderful career which, like that of Abraham Lincoln by native Energy and untiring industry led this man from obscurity to the foremost physician in the councils of the nation. Including catch of the life of Honourable Chester, a Arthur moment of silence for these fabulous titles up with the text, follows the same pattern as the title spending more than five hundred pages on Garfield's by our. See, and twenty three on Arthur's, with five
of those being the text of Arthur Speech, excepting the nomination brisbane- gives Arthur's date and place of birth as October. Fifth, eighteen thirty in Fairfield Franklin County Vermont, fair with clear from just these examples, which are Some of the reporting around all of this there was some confusion about exactly when and where Arthur was born. I found zero references from eighteen. Eighty that said that he was born in Fairfield Vermont on October. Fifth, one thousand eight hundred and twenty nine, which is what's considered correct today by the late, fall Oh and early winter of eighteen. Eighty, this lack of weird about where and when Arthur had been born had grown to include suspicion. Wherever it was, it was not in the United States, an article published on December twenty third eighteen, eighty in the Sacramento Daily Record Union Red quote, a lawyer of Brooklyn has been investigator.
Vermont to see of Chester a Arthur was not really born on canadian soil and left apparently pleased with his discoveries. Old residents say there is no question of Arthur being a citizen the Brooklyn lawyer being referenced, was Arthur P Hen, men who, in some accounts, had been hired by the Democrats and in There was an anti stalwart Republican. He really could have been both those things at the same time at first him and believe Arthur had been born in Ireland, but he gradually started focusing on the idea. He might really be canadian. He travelled to be Vermont cabuc of border area to interview p, about what they remembered of the Arthur family, her baby boy from fifty years before later on, and eighty before when Arthur was pursuing a nomination for re election him and published these one thousand eight hundred and eighty findings in a book titled how a british subject became president of the United States, citing any sources him an alleged
after being nominated for Vice President Arthur couldn't say where he had been born, Human also allege that Arthur had gone to Montreal after the Republican National Convention to see if there was any evidence of his birth in records. There There is no evidence for either of these assertions, although the day after the convention ended the New York Times did publish a column called campaign notes which paraphrased Roscoe Conklin as saying he might spend some time that summer fishing with Arthur in Camp the immense contented with this was not a fishing trip. It was they go see if your found out and if so cover it up trip hindrance. Key witness was a quote, MRS Stevens, who had been playmate and companion of MRS Arthur when at school.
according to Hindman, MRS Stevens said that Chester, Arthur's mother Malvina had given birth to her oldest boy on March 16th or 18th, one thousand eight hundred and twenty eight at her parents, house and Dunham Flats and Quebec, MRS Stephen's room, but it was one day off from Saint Patrick Stay, but she couldn't really remember in which direction was one day off of Saint Patrick stay. This bay, according to her was named William Chester Alan Arthur him and went on to say that in November of eighteen, thirty Melvin Arthur had delivered. Another son Chester ABLE Arthur while living in Fairfield Vermont Chester, ABLE then died in eighteen, thirty one, while the family was visiting Burlington Vermont from their penman the tales more moves and more births further Arthur family before arriving at the eighteen, thirty four birth of William, Arthur, Junior and Heinz by Vermont. At that time, him and claim the family decided to drop the William from their oldest
the William Chester Alan Arthur, making him just Chester Alan Arthur him in connected all these dogs. To conclude, that the man the world knew as Chester Alan Arthur born in Burma. It was really his eldest brother, born in Quebec, so dramatic and weird not only that human contended that William Chester Alan Arthur had decided to adopt the birth dates and birthplace of his deceased Baby Brother Chester, able when he does did to run for president. There are some problems with Edmunds account. It is cobbled together from a hotchpotch of interviews. many of them with people in their elder years. Who were recalling events and baby names from about fifty years before a lot of these accounts, really cool predict each other, and while him and cherry pick the ones that supported his allegations when describing what he thought happened, he then included all them in his book, whether they back them up or not. Seeking.
read all of like the totally disparate accounts of what people thought this babies name was and when he was born in his explanation, some sort of the summary portion of this book. It is often not clear whose account Hineman is referring to and in some spots he doesn't seem to have a source for what he is saying at, maybe wooden pass muster in your journalism, one one corporates. Now, on top of his whole argument rests on the idea that Melina Arthur gave birth to a boy named William Chester, Alan Arthur on either March sixteenth or eighteenth of eighteen, twenty eight, but we know Does she gave birth to a daughter and Eliza Arthur on January? First of eighteen, twenty eight The only way this could have happened would be for these two children to have been fraternal twins eleven weeks apart or I'll Vienna Arthur too, have had to wombs and been pregnant in both at the same time
both of those scenarios are incredibly rare and the first would have been virtually impossible, given the state of medicine in eighteen. Twenty eight is moral, going to happen. Hungary's anatomy, then in the real world even so, though, by February of eighteen, eighty one after the election, but before the inauguration papers were reporting on him and speculations. Sometimes mentioning by name and other times, not, for example, the Centre Pratt of Bellefonte Pennsylvania published an article on February third, one thousand, eight hundred and eighty one that read quote. It has been charged with great deliberation for several weeks, but Chester, a Arthur. The vice President Elect, is not a native of the United States. These allegations have taken form and affidavits have been by those investigating the matter which go on to prove conclusively that Mister Arthur was born in Canada. Also on,
third, the western Sentinel of Winston Salem North Carolina, published this statement quote the latest sensation is that Chester, a Arthur is not eligible to the position of vice president, to which he has been elected and the probable de the W H English will yet be vice president, six later in the nuclear field, Republican of clear field of Pennsylvania quote: where was he born? As now agitating the public mind? The vice President Elect Chester Arthur claims that he was born in the state of Vermont, but a little invest. nations seems to show that he was born in Canada and therefore is not eligible. It is queer sensible man cannot tell where he was born and on February twenty three in the Indiana state. Sentinel quote, it seems to be impossible to find out just where Chester eight Arthur Vice President Elect was born. Arthur does not know
He was not born where nor when he asserts he was born. He has no proofs of his nativity, but the Senate Committee on privileges and elections have come to the conclusion that he was born in three towns and all within the United States. That will do so I did not actually find evidence that the Senate Committee on privileges that elections had come to that conclusion at all and the national reports we're getting called the report, but the committee was looking into it and idiotic lie also to be clear. These newspapers all had their own political slants, and some of them had initially been started to support a specific candidate or a specific parties, though none of this should be interpreted as an impartial account of any thing. I did for well go on its rabbit hall of like trying to trace the political leanings of the editors of all these papers, and then I was like this is like fifteen different papers were referring to that's gonna. Take me a masters thesis- and this is a thirty minute pot, Gaston
set aside of I'm the only one that doesn't think it would be that we do not know where you're born. I know I think, that's totally, one- you don't remember and sue his family was so nomadic yeah. not even remember with any sort of clarity or consistency yeah. I totally know where my where I was born, because my parents told me specifically- and we lived like mere enough to the hospital I was born in that we would go pass it on my mom, be like three were born, but when I was a recorded birth as well right, yeah we'll have a birth certificate, but yet we're all babies who are mostly being born at home or at a relative house late in the day, that's it we're moving around a whole lot and win. Babies were viewed with care the same. There was not the level of preciousness sleigh, yeah celebration, land now yeah, so many May babies died when they were really young that, like sometimes you
Let me name very reason so later like it was not merely as documented as is now so that the fact that there is uncertainty is not really strange. No, I don't think so. Either James Garfield was inaugurated as president on March. Fourth eighteen, eighty one and at that point the chap about where Arthur was born, seems to have quieted down, at least as far as what was being printed in newspapers, but after Field was shot by Charles J Guiteau. The question took on a renewed urgency and we're gonna talk more about that. After we have another, little sponsor break, miles and Jack framework. We recorded a pike has together in the master, ex thirty ass, you might remember alive deadly. Remember I want to take this opportunity. Just straightfor in a straightforward way, talk to people about what the Mazda CS. Thirty looks like ok, it looks like
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President Garfield survive weeks after being shot in March of eighteen, eighty one and as his death seemed more and more likely people once again started raising questions about his vice president and whether he was eligible to the presidency on CEPT. were eighth eighteen, eighty one, the National Republican of Washington DC, published this exchange. As a letter to the editor quote to the editor of the Republican. Will you please inform me words Chester, a Arthur was born Cj J lemon. The answer quote, General Arthur was born in Fairfield Franklin County Burma on October fifth, eighteen thirty there are some persons who do avert that he was born in Canada, but they do not know what they are talking about pricing we
Republican definitive statement did not settle this issue. They do not know what they are. I love that Garfield died on September nineteenth eighteen, eighty one on September, twenty of the New York Herald printed or a poor written before his death, which definitively stated that Arthur. Mornin Fairfield Vermont. It base this conclusion on an interview with an anonymous source who was described as an intimate friend. This friend said. The whole story of a foreign birth came about because Arthur's old neighbours quote assumed too much. When hearing that Chester, Arthur had been named for Doktor Chester ABLE the heralds reporter interviewed AP men and we kept his version of events as well. The herald also interviewed New York lawyer and former: U S district attorney, George Bliss, he was a colleague of Arthur's who said in part quote. I can only say that the whole thing is the most errant nonsense. I might as well have been asked
Their Cicero was a citizen. The question of the american citizenship of Mister Arthur is so absurd that it be a waste to say anything about it. The heralds report was picked up and re published and other newspapers and Memphis Daily appeal. On September, twenty first, the New York Son publish the findings of its own investigation into where Arthur had been born. The sun's report ran under the headline General Arthur's birthplace. It is now the Canada line on the Vermont side it began quote. The sun has received lately. Men Letters of inquiry. As to the birthplace of Chester, Alan Arthur, as well as other letters professing down of General Arthur Citizenship, some of them, alleging that, he was born in the neighbourhood of Dunham Canada and therefore not eligible to the vice presidency. To settle that question. Definitely a rapporteur for the sun visited Fairfield Franklin County Vermont, which has generally been regarded as Mr Arthur's birthplace, the place in Canada, where it has been alleged that he
born was also visited. I fear thinking right now, hey Tracy and Holly. Is that the same New York son that published the Great Moon hoax and that yes Virginia letter? Yes, it is sure thing is. It also seems to have at least like the hodgepodge of articles from their from this particular year, because its political leanings shifted over time. It really seems to be more critical of Republicans than Democrats in eighteen. Eighty one so like Arthur Henry this sun reporter had gone to the general area where Arthur had been born and had tried to find formal documentation about when and where that happened. But this rapporteur, not find anything conclusive. The church, where Elder Arthur had been preaching at the time and Fairfield with no longer standing and the greater free Baptist Innovation have really dwindled. It no longer had any records, so the only
that he found the Arthur's and Dunham Canada, which is where people were alleging Chester Arthur, had been born with a record of the birth of William Arthur's eldest daughter from there, the rapporteur interviewed locals, who were between the ages of sixty and eighty seven, the article contains such testing these as well. I reckon I recollect elder Arthur. He came here to preach when they were built in the new meeting house. There was a coup, if a fish shaped vain with eighteen, twenty eight painted on it, it was painted so bad that the feller is did it was ashamed of it. I like how would this local person from Burma is written as though he talks like a cow hand, Texas, yeah so
those that quote purportedly the words of Leonard De Guerriere, who also remember the Arthur's and specifically remembered that Doctor Chester ABLE had delivered their son Greer was really but they had named this baby Chester, able, after the doktor other people that interviewed around Fairfield had the same recollection and that included doktor able brother Calvin. The doktor himself by this point had passed on Calvin answered a question about this babies name with quote. Well, I guess having been named after my brother, its Chester, ABLE Arthur the overall consensus of the people in food and Fairfield was that the Arthur's had a son while living there that they named him Chester able after the Doktor who delivered him and that he was this person as the Chester Arthur who had been elected vice president, although several people who thought about it were surprised, his middle name was given as Alan rather than able other people had, given that no thought whatsoever
the funds. Reporter, though, also talk to some people who maintain that this was not the same person. Their argument was that Chester able Arthur died and Burlington Vermont, while still a baby, and that elder Arthur had given his body to doctors quote to be dissected for scientific purposes. Then, while Elder Arthur was working in EAST Stand bridge according to this action His wife and the rest of the children were living with her parents and MEG's corners, Canada and then, while their these people alleged she had another baby, and this other baby is the one who became president taking his brothers identity to do it. So it's really similar to the story that headman had reported about Arthur, taking a deceased- maybe brothers name, but in this case it was an older brother and not a younger brother. The residents of EAST Danbridge Quebec, on the other hand, remembered things differently.
seventeen year old, Lyndal Corey reported that elder Arthur had come to town with his daughter, Regina in the autumn of eighteen, thirty and taught there for eighteen months neither Corey nor anyone. Else interviewed in EAST Danbridge recalled the rest of the family being present Corey had this rumour about donating a baby's body to doctors but didn't have any rights. Action of a baby being born to the authors and east or of any Arthur's living near besides Elder Arthur and his daughter, Regina FAO, has had been within men's report. The son got a whole lot of contradictory accounts from locals. Again, these were people being asked about a baby name from fifty years before that however, do the opposite conclusion in its report. The wet henchmen did citing an anonymous gentlemen quote intimately connected with the president's life and family. This anonymous sore said that Arthur was named after both Doktor Chester.
Well and his own maternal grandfather, the sun reported that this unnamed source had personally seem the Arthur family Bible and that the entry for testers birth, Red Chester, Alan Arthur born in Fairfield Franklin, County Vermont October fifth, One thousand eight hundred and thirty speculation continued in the months that followed and as we noted earlier him and published his book when Arthur was sick. the election in eighteen, eighty four, but when Arthur on the republican nomination for President the question faded away, and then he died in eighteen. Eighty six, There are never directly addressed this controversy, but according to an article published in the New York Times on February twelfth eighteen, eighty one he did give a speech at a celebratory dinner at Delmonico. in New York City about two hundred who were there, including politicians and high profile supporters? In his speech, Arthur said quote, I don't
We had better go into the minute secrets of the campaign so far as I know them, because I see reporters present who are taking it all down, and while there is no harm in talking about some things after the election is over, you cannot tell what they may make of it, because the inauguration has not yet in place and, while I don't mean to say anything about my birthplace, whether it was in Canada or elsewhere. Still, if I should get to going about the secrets of the campaign there, no saying what I might say to make trouble between now and the fourth of March. So after all of that when and where will this gesture a Arthur born? We act We have more information on that than you might think from the quality of of those nineteenth century reports and theirs where to go on then oral testimony from people living fifty years later, not that oral testimony as without value but seriously, who really remembers the middle name of the baby that was born in your neighborhood to a family that lived there for a couple years. Fifty years before
I imagine there are people here and they are that might But overall I would not put a whole lot of stock in those accounts. No now so three different members of the Arthur Ferris compiled genealogies. All of them started decades before Chester became a vice presidential Domini, William. There are senior started compiling one about the time he converted to free Baptist. Chester Arthur Wildwood in eighteen. Fifty nine and Chester's sister Malvina Arthur Hainsworth right one in her diary. All three of them give Chester's date of birth as October fifth, one thousand eight hundred and twenty nine. We also have two different or family bibles, one belong to William, Arthur Senior and the other to Chester Arthur both of those was his birthplace and date as October. Fifth, one thousand eight hundred and twenty nine in Fairfield Vermont. If you're not familiar with the tradition of keeping a family bible. These are bibles that are passed down through families that have designated pages for keeping family records. Fame
members right down: important dates like births, baptisms and marriages on these pages, and that might seem like an informal dark. But family bibles are or have been used to substantiate people's births for things like school, enrollment, drivers, licences and even passports. Get you can't really just show the passport office with your family, back viable and get a passport. But it's like part of this substantiated documentation a lot of contexts, and then we also have census record the Arthur family, was enumerated in the eighteen, fifty census. On August ape of eighteen, fifty Chester Arthur is listed as a student. born in Vermont aged Twenty, since they were counted in August and he was born in October that would put his birth year at eighteen. Twenty nine Arthur was counted in eighteen, sixty census.
On July 30th, and he will set us thirty years old and born in Vermont, and they one thousand eight hundred and seventy census. He was counted in December after his birthday and in that year's records. His age of lipid is forty one which follows the same mathematical pattern, but his birthplace is listed as a pair of ditto marks like same as the line above but the lineup. love is the last entry from another household that person was born in New York. That discrepancy is a mystery in our theme of bad uses for time machines. I would go back in time and ask that sends us. Take her hey. What's up what is it then like what happened, then they would say. Oh I don't know I was tired out, and then there is the eighteen, eighty census taken in June, which lists Arthur's place of birth as Vermont and his age is forty, nine
Following the pattern of all this other documentation, it really should be fifteen, so it seems as though between one thousand eight hundred and seventy and one thousand eight hundred and eighty when Arthur, was between the ages of forty one and fifty He may be started fudging his age by a year, Thomas see Reeves chalked up to quote simple vanity. Calling Arthur Quote one of the most vainglorious men of the gilded age and the fact that he was lying about his age, apparently intentionally like years, even on his tombstone made people sort of go what else was lying about. He was lying about He was born lying about, where maybe his weight like. We said at the top of the show the story: that Arthur was really Canadian has kind of stuck around Canada's history magazine
published an article on this subject in two thousand, and at that time the magazine was called the beaver. This article kicks off with quote presidents of the United States, must be borne on? U s soil so says the american constitution, but evidence suggests that chest There are the twenty first president was born in a foreign land, Canada, perhaps dont tell the Americans later on this article says Quota Chester Arthur with most likely a citizen of lower Canada, a british subject born in Dunham Flats Quebec near the Vermont border. For, among other things, with article kind of misrepresents what natural born citizen really means, and at least in
on by inversion, it does not site any sources her where its information came from, but it does seem like a lot of. It is from a p headlines how a british subject became president of the United States, which we noted lots of problems with earlier in episode. Cbs Sunday morning produces segment in twenty twelve. That takes more of a both sides approach interviewing a museum curator in Cabuc who says she's pretty convinced he was born in Canada. along with Fairfield Vermont locals who say he was not. They also talk to John Deauville, Vermont Historic Sites operations. Chief, who says of the canadian question. There is a chance, but I doubt it. This debate is also come up over the last decade or so context of TED cruises eligibility for the presidency because he was born in Canada as well as the birth of conspiracy theory about President Barack Obama's citizenship
all three of these ban. These questions were definitely attempts to discredit them and suggest that they were not fit for office, but in a lot of other ways. These controversies don't really come hair because TED Crew Then Barack Obama both released their birth certificates, showing where they had been borne out There are, on the other hand, was not at all forthcoming. He released no documentation of where he had been born, and this was really totally in line with our secretive. He always was with the press about every thing: I'm really. Who knows whether, if he had brought out his family Bible and was like right here, it says whether people would have moved on to insisting that that family Bible was bake? Really it's not impossible that shit, you're, a Arthur's mother visited her parents or his father in Canada, while she was pregnant with him and gave birth to him there, but there's no evidence whatsoever that Arthur assumed the identity of a deceased brother, and there are multiple
family census records listing his birthplace as Vermont, most of them date back to before the civil war. Long before Arthur became the vice presidential. many long before he had any reason to prove that he was a natural born citizen care. Why would have started lying about it in eighteen fifty. We call them long com, ripper along and I personally because he personally might not have been the person talking to the senses, take her that day, right rates. So anyway, that is the key story: Chester Arthur when the first little reference to it that I read was like when people ask whether he was born a candidate, said: ok, that's weird, and then I got to the part of people saying he had assumed the identity of a dead baby brother, and I was like ok now, MRS chests strange. We are going to talk about a little more yeah. Do you have listener male its outcome? out. I'd, be Megan,
I wanted to read this because it's funny to me Megan first of all, has the subject line in the email of urine luck. You are I and ass this dear Tracy, I hope that pine didn't send this note straight to your spam folder. I just wanted to write a quick note to say thank you for your recent episode on Hennig and phosphorus. I was having a very bad day and I was cracking up listening to this episode I felt like I can hear you guys trying so hard not to laugh, and that made me laugh harder. So thanks for that, it is right up there in my fave episodes with passions, Marjorie Camp and the boy Jones also Holly. I know you don't like musicals, but I really think you should check out the music for the show urine town. I was thinking about it. The whole time you're talking about p barrels I know nothing about the share of just for the recruitment of why I for clarification. I feel like I am forever defending this. I don't mind musical
I dont want to watch them because I derive watch people. I love music, it don't wanna watch people singing. This is sort of like how I said something in an episode, one time about not enjoying San hive, and we got a number of emails explaining to me How how like gifted and brilliant sometime was that I was like I'm not arguing the mastery of son, I'm on top about my personal enjoyment. Listening to right anyway. Making goes on to thank us.
Says that she runs on Mondays and wednesdays, because she has the show to listen to on those days. Thank you. So much Megan for sending this note it made me laugh just now made Holly laugh. I really excited when we get to do up so that make people laugh sometimes because not all of them new new. If you would like to write to us about this or any other podcast, we write history pie cast that how stuff works, dot, com and then we're all over social media. Mr history, that's where you'll find our Facebook twitter Pinterest and Instagram you can come to our website. We just missed in history dot com, where you will find shouts of all the absurd that highly I have worked on together. At CERN expert today include links to scams of a whole lot of nineteenth century newspapers. You can also find a suitable archive of our absurd ever and you can subscribe to our show on Apple podcast, Iheart, radio, app and wherever else you'd get podcast stuffy, miss them
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