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it's ready are. You welcome to study, should now run howstuffworks dot com Welcome as Pakistan Josh Clark with me, as always, is Charles of each Bryant. That makes a step. You should know You know what I saw running mill said this weekend shut swear, you really care he still alive. I am he decided to release a new gospel out. Is he the buying a hooker where, where did he play have got enough spin nail North Carolina? I can say honestly that I've been to spin they'll. Nor did you go there to see him yeah. You mean big fan actually lander. He spent half an hour talking about his life. That guy said it rough. Then you should check him out his interesting him. He was a part of my childhood for sure.

If you should have gone, he played somewhere or hit, but he actually has pod in Yeah he's gonna podcast. Really it's pretty good, too timid talents. Talk in and thence playing a song. Unlike he'll talk to someone like off camera off my you're whatever like. Wouldn't I forget or something like that, then you'll hear something muffled. Unwilling, oh yeah, ok, we'll start plant is called mills happened. I said I got home. I think it's like running Middlesex over some common millions of healthy happened, oh yeah he's up and we met to actually, of course, eight people very

you know it was a path we definitely skewed. The median age gender saw you. There is a lot of other folks there, but I went to Dolly word right. Afterward were definitely the only people from a land of their future go chuck. Other gets the interim thanks shock. Yet have you ever seen a chimpanzee masturbate yeah? I have You have a sure. You know the first person I met, who seeing that, what you saw it at the zoo yeah I mean. Is there any other so then. Yes, it was it a zoo, if I say it my friend Rogers. How little the authorities are gonna show their around you. You have seen them I've never seen it. I think he has seen on Youtube see. I think that this

the normal behaviour, as I understand that they are primates after all as our way. But I think that you could make an argument that there is such a thing is doing it too much among chimpanzees and if he did notice that you chimpanzee was abusing himself a little too much. You could make a case that the chimpanzee was experience You Kosis, you just drop them. I just left the room literally, thank you good night sky. There is a lot of I note. The diagnosis that's when the animals. Captivity start doing strange things like pacing, like a bare will pace. Circle for hours on end right or a chant. Might the abuse himself or make the thing cheetah might kinda like a baby itself too much like self groom. Cats. Do yeah lick rash, like holes in it

body and stuff here, there's even more stuff to a guy named Bill traverse whose an actor from the UK who, appropriately enough was in a movie called born free area. Here he was an animal rights activists as well. In a ninety ninety two, he coined the terms you kosis any describe some prick Where is the behaviour like you said a lot of is found in the wild as well, but it's just too repetitive: over and over and over again its constant, yet like animals groom and the wild, but they dont grooming? they have sore spots on their skin. Other stuff that they don't normally do in the wild. Like smear This is on the windows of their enclosure right of mutilation. Last shoeing, their own Taylor, leg, there's theirs. Kind of Billina, that some primates exhibit in captivity where they vomit either an environment again

just over and over. I dont, maybe out of maybe out of frustration or anger. But the point is see this among animals in captivity. Don't see this kind of behaviour among animals in the wild right, which indicates what some people would consider a problem with Zeus: let's get down to discuss ours is good or bad and obviously. Read the same article, seek and make the case for both right yeah. Well, I guess we should start with good, since we have already indicated a hint of the bad does the hit just ahead. The good was talk about some prose on the suicide Zuzu got lucky. In the last four thousand years and a whole lot better in the last thirty years, from what I've seen sure like allows again when the latter issue, it was the tile room with the gorilla in it and the monkey bars or not. The monkey bars the cage bars,

monkey partial to play on Right Gallagher. They didn't have monkey virus it I've, even if he is there, the bars of the cage for a monkey closer. They are technically monkey boy. What I'm the Levant Untollable my talking up. That's that's a good thing room. It is but that they come a long way in the last, like thirty and forty years, and trying to create a more than the miniature habitats they normally would lead in the future the guy now replace would like moats, so they can't get to you. I was like that would be bad with this kind of kept in step with the progress of mental institutions, it s. Thirty forty years ago, a lot better seemed zoos. Apparently they used to procure animals by in the wild and taking them, you ever seen the Mr Science Theatre three thousand for catching trouble. Now it is so unsettling used check it out. There

LISA procure animals like they just go out to the to the plains and likes get some giraffes and bring him home They don't do that much anymore, although I do have some examples will get to it over. They still actually do that. Yet another have cattle breeding programmes. Yes, were a lot of animals are born in, as Never knew the wild right. You would make the argument that that's a lot better than having memory of your to live in a five thousand square mile range now arrive in a five hundred square feet area through and they also Josh for trying to help restore endangered species. Breeding programmes in releasing them back into the wild. So, that's that some good right, that is. Only in the California Condor right? That's it that's one that usually held up as an example: long ago. The California candour was on the verge of extinction,

and the San Diego in LOS Angeles Zeus, got together and said: let's, let's bring this vulture back, let's get this vulture back up and running. And they had a flying and they had a captive breeding programme, and then they took the population the world, the global population of the California candour, which was just relegated to California. From less than two dozen birds. Two hundred and seventy nine self sufficient, even better shock, is the pair David's. Dear right, yeah tell us that story. While this is it. This is a chinese dear, this, I would like to say it is clear from China, and this dear had had had it been et in captivity or was extinct. And then they re introduced it to the wild once they bread them in captivity. Her out of the oven. They went extinct in the wild, but they happen to have a few writing captive again and then

eventually released to think for into the wild. For the first time another self sufficient self sustaining data, which means they get it on the other. Good luck, and here too, Do they know they haven't problem at its means, it is majestic Also, Zeus often serve as a at her home. The animals that are like part of travelling circus seizure you, remember our own aquarium here and Diana rescued, I guess the whale shark, both of their wealth sharks, for one was in Mexico. I think like attacking barely turn around here and now it's got the biggest tank in the world and we swim in it. We did. It was an old, big deeds. Yeah, there's polar bears that have

rescued. We owe the snow leopard yeah taken from Pakistan and two thousand seventh wasn't was in great shape and two thousand seven in the Bronx Zoo said, give us its no leopard Brigham over here yeah. That was my Bronx dude. I got it. I would stress: oh, they ve their care. We know a lot more now we're we're about animals in what they need and the kind of habitats the care taking of the animals in zoos gotten way way better over the year again, the the Brok Zoo they just released there. Are they just open their aardvark exhibit new and improved, and apparently arbour, are notoriously difficult to keep alive and happy because their termite diet is really hard Kate, but they got it down to this sector ciao emit slurry die at will I wonder if it says new and improved now featuring, live aardvark corpses, it's much improved. No flies buzzing,

Josh the allotted to give back financially the Bronx Zoo is channel. More than three billion dollars toward conservation projects in Africa and sometimes appear with groups. The nature conservancy to work, not even just within their do, but in other states to think whose ITALY does it was yes. Working too or butterfly habitat, and I have to tell you, the Toledo Zoo for the size, town, Toledo the fleet of zoo and its leader, art museum, our world class really crazy It puts a lamb, Ezida. Shame anything.

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sign up, fifty percent off any additional books, unlimited free digital books and discounts on gift, rap and other products. Love books are the perfect gift for all occasions or just because so right now you can check out love books by going to love book online Dotcom, slash, crush newer, receive especial twenty percent discount. That is it love book online, DOT, Tk Slash crash and Josh Research and scientific research is obviously a big part of what Zuzu. Nowadays Ok. So, though, is like the well like a step, we saw two thousand Tuesday's participated in two thousand two hundred thirty research projects. Conservation projects are more than eighty countries, which is pretty good. Yet we shouldn't a stir. That go willingly, buy it now, and then you have to make the case that, yes, the zoos are helping. In some way, shape or form right. Like imagine, the deer, the pair David steer right

that would not be around anymore. That's that's species would be extinct if it weren't for conservation efforts among suit, I hand or perhaps California, candour might be gone, maybe losses vulture. Apparently those things are huge. I read an article where this guy was standing on a cliff in California, and he heard this and then all the a sudden I just got really loud vote right up and This enormous kind or just flew up, had been come. I've been hunting I guess in this canyon and came up along with the cliffs face into flew LAO ten feet in front of him. He said it was. This huge problem was throwing things around and then the other big I saw a bunch of men are enough. A value on my recent trip, nice, like tons of

They hang around the vineyards because you're playing a vineyard, you'll dig up like rodents and stuff. Yet so the vultures follow along behind the tractor literally unlike gotta, learn EDA is good, for them are chuck. What's let's talk about the the bad news we'll get the ugly in the good down the side of the bed. You mention that the arm the zoos are big on conservation right. Some say we're in the U S if you are an animal exhibitor, meaning that you are showing animals for money, you have to licence by the USA. Yes, there's about twenty four honey, animal exhibitors in the- U s- and they range from like this- it, is due to the poor Nor can sorry drive through in, like an ostrich sticks his head in your car right. Ngos call the police exactly

about two hundred of those twenty four hundred are actually members of the America, zoological. An aquarium association. That's it you're on the up and up Broadway Tsar the UP and up another Asia has far higher The USDA for its membership is stricter safety requirements. It they force innovation spending among their members now. So you know when you're, not a member of the Asia AY, there's other twenty four twenty two hundred M the? U S, spending nothing on conservation and them Other problem is the members of the Asia spend about three percent of their take at the gate on conservation every year, which is not that I might have meaning those kind of far but not far enough right and also the what the I think? A hundred and forty six reintroduction programmes took place

the twentieth century yeah sixteen were successful. Yeah! Those are the statue. Dont get no they say we did a hundred and forty five programmes and most programmes were taken by the: U S: government, right, sir, Zoos are getting a lot of credit and taking. Credit actually, the public mind in the public consciousness, save very successfully carved out this place where Hey were here this to save the animals and the here, that they are a business that makes money off of people coming in and looking at the animals. Kind of been washed away, although is still very present, its further zoos are very much businesses right, the others condors, yet only about two thirds of those were strong enough to live That said, to you, don't see that state on the front it now they got ploughed under the front. Another the in the back, but they are, I mean pardon me, says these: a hundred forty five programmes, only sixteen

vessel, but I mean they were trying, at least so. I will given that one but I mean like dead animals, don't usually give you any forever. I think part of the farmers, and I don't mean to hammer zoos like I do see both sides, this coin. This isn't this. This isn't me just like we talked about the guy. What's really get to it again, there's that that pair David Dear, wouldn't have existed, had it not been for Zeus, but I think by and large If the reason Zeus exist is because coach on land like there's, no way a mind toward conservation, but there's not a mind toward preservation, and that's really, where the mind should be the mind in the money right right I mean, if you take an hour,

and put it into a little enclosure. It's gonna go nuts. Elephants are actually that's one of the big ones as far as the people maternity upon master there, but is one of the big got animals that people get out of Zeus like if you're not gonna shut down, as you at least get the elephants out there, and there is actually website. Josh called save wild elephant start come nice and Some zoos are starting to get rid of their elephant habitats and end. They should honestly, I mean elephants, are used to travelling about fifty miles a day in large herds and in the year in captivity, are there Standing around an enclosure all day alone or with maybe a body or to write, so very social, highly social animals that travel great distances-

and now they shouldn't be in captivity at all. Yet the Detroit do actually got rid of their two elephants and close down their exhibit in the director of the zoo said. Asian elephant should not live in small groups without many acres room and they clearly shouldn't have to suffer the winners of the north, but something to think about it. This elephant in the Detroit winner, you me now and even worse is the poor elephant com you the elephant, who, in two thousand seven during a cold snap at her with the Alaska Zoo was. For days on end in this little inciting closure, because the zoo keepers were like she can't go outside your freeze to death right. They brought in it. Will. That was big enough, for she would use it. Apparently, the the public finally just went crazy over it, because it's a treadmill who likes a treadmill, nobody a body of gets more horror stories free just beyond a here, yes, Tatiana, Siberian Tiger. At this,

discuss zoo in two thousand seven escaped the substandard enclosure that she was in an was shot to death after she killed a person by police. Had happened, the Dallas Zoo, a gorilla name, Jabbar tried to escape by jumping, over the walls and mouths was fatally shot by police. Witness later reported that Tina, we're taunting animal with rocks I remember that so these little kids throwing rocks at this guerrilla and then there are the said. The girl escaped in the captured it down around wouldn't happen if the girls in the wild did you get that kid, though, didn't get its hands on one of the kids now not in here and at the Virginia zoo boy there really doing a great job. They had ten prairie dogs die when their tunnel collapsed on them and their habitat they ran, authorise drown in the moat those trying to you. You know the moat that their uses a barrier

They had a zebra, narrowly escaped death after jumping into the lion exhibit which I beseech. You bet Anna and others who were lost her life when she bolted from a holding pen struck offence and broker neck, so they're really really doing a great other, the Virginia I think that kind of demonstrates the problem. Zebras are too stupid to not run into fences and break their necks. Then they shouldn't be fences around them. I've got another often stand to us here they studied records of forty five elephants, and on that? The media lifespan of an african element in ASEAN is sixteen point. Nine years. Do you know what it is on the open plain fifty six years now, it's not good, that's quite a drop. It is another. Another argument that maiden favours used often is that they educate the public studies of actually shown that people come out of Zeus,

informed than they were before and with this kind of fun, It is curious that Zeus have it under control and they don't you'd do anything for conservation, their preservation, efforts right so Zeus, correct. Be counterproductive in that regard and you know on that note. They say that the and this is what you get is a little information about their species and diet and where therefrom, but you never. If you know it never get any information on their normal behaviour and the wild, because you're not seeing it so, you're not really educating on how the animal really as your educating them on how they are in the small? closure. And even then it's just a sign. I could the zebra likes to eat this plant. This chimp loves to vomit, Edith, vomit involvement again and then Psmith poop on the window, right, not funny support for stuff. You should and the following message comes from e trade:

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Species that is threatened and they capture them from their natural habitat and Swaziland, and I guess, brought them back to the zoo, and then I got one we're really sad, one that juries going to not listen to broker part the problem in zoos, Josh's that we like acutely baby animals, but haven't secure little baby animals, they grow up, they grow up and many times they get shuffled around after their, not cute anymore to differ. Is moving around like a for an animal. Those a chimpanzee name Edith the nineteenth sixties, at the Saint Louis Zoo and Edith was a big hit because she was a cute little baby Edith grew up, All animals do and wasn't as attractive, so they shuffle virtue I've different facilities over the course of the eventually landing at a roadside zoo in Texas and

an undercover investigation. They found Edith a filthy, concrete pit, hairless living on dog food. The. How sad is that it's pretty said Jerry. Did you hear that. She's she's, but I mean I don't wanna like throw. Not lay down too much and say think about this when you're going to a zoo, but you know I think about this. It was an area if you see an animal pawing, its own hair out there doing its own tail off or the other, some other bizarre saddening baby. You should feel that you should tell somebody about. You should contact somebody about it. It's easy its everyone's own choice, how they view a zoo, obviously measure, but if it gets, then do something about there's plenty of organizations out there that somebody can join if they find that they are opposed to the concept of Zeus. Absolutely, I also want to point out there. If you forward thinkings is progressives. Is that are trying their

Did you write like monasteries? Is the Baltimore zoo good for you? Detroit? Do we left the trade point, defiance zoo an aquarium and the North Carolina? You are apparently Donna pretty decent job of gifts, Lastly, not going through a landowner now I want to their grant park. You been there lately near so go two years ago, have you heard the legions? You know, but I'll bet it's in China in Argentina, maybe oh you, J and maybe not regime. They. Have an awful zoo and let us out in their on the back of a lion or get in the cage with time? In pet, the tiger or bottle feed a bobcat- and you can do this when you pay a fifty bucks well, and it is a truly terrible thing because you're not supposed to ride lions. No people are exposed to interact with these predators.

If the Darwin awards have taught us anything ass, though soviet exit, yet to sign a thing when you go in there saying that, if I get killed in Firefox, then sustaining the hurt but I don't usually do this, but there is actually no my petition against this place and at the petition site that come and they need ten thousand signatures in their eleven hundred So, even if you like zoos, you dont like delusions, you know it's not a good thing and one about Chuck. You know we talked about what about aquariums? What about see world should a killer we kept in a little tank horses. Gonna eat it's trainer at some blog about it. It's it's a killer whale here for you I don't know as far as Zeus go, I don't know how to say every zoo should be shut down, but Definitely a lot of these animals should be kept in captivity like elephants. What do you think

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