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pay and walked into the podcast than Josh Clerk with me. As always, is one Charles of each right he's a good guy between we owe you do private. That's all this week later be Lucy Goose, sometimes Hayden great hurry. I'm good! I think we're both prepared for these two subjects. Today, a year, mainly I'm pumped about putting out a decent for once in your life. I hope we do. I Polly Distinct, a sermon over thing gear in his great gold, he regained their chuck vs. Have you ever heard of something called death switch? Is it a movie? No positive band now should be, I think, kill switches, a ban, anything maybe even a failsafe.

But death switch is a service, an internet service that you or I or any schmo with even a dial up connection can go get others a free version of it where you can insert one email address and one message and then there's a premium version where you can do up the thirty email addresses in all this other stuff. But the point of it is this: you set up all the stuff, you want to say to you, after your dead one, whether it's like, I know you know to see you in Hell or in Heaven. Well, yes, for dependent disposition and your bent, or you know I love you too, trying to tell you one last time

or this is all yours, all three taking you I'll write that kind of thing. Yet this is, I know what you did, that kind of thing and enough with the premium service, you can attach things like movies, and things like that, so you could be like hey here's one last bootleg. I know you always like my pirated movie so visible more while number. Thirty years of acuity, Fatuity Reserve, you do, then you would have said to me every day from the picks like forty right now. I think it discuss at once by- and the point is you you create? All these emails and then deaths which sets out for you securely their secured and then on a fixed schedule. They send you an email, saying, hey click, this link and put in your password, but like Basically, are you still alive exactly and if you don't answer it does it?

and again and again, and then you know, there's a set amount of times where it starts to really kind of pepper. You like came in or about like he notes that began, that your boss is getting that email, if you dont eyes, and then it gets ok, you're dead, you're, either dead or you're in a coma or you're. Just your critically incapacitated can't even ask for a computer and eureka, and it sends out your emails for you, which is pretty cool, and I think it's cool they everyone. Anyone, It's one free message from this company: you can do one email, one email address with one message: no attachments or whatever for free at death switch

which are much of which I own no shared, acre any kind of financial and got out not how much is the premiums or I don't care? What am I like? You? Might your Google Melina? Let me googled it for he so that the point is just switch. Is kind of the service straddles? The line of what we're talking about today, which privacy after death, because they maintain your privacy, why you're still alive and then after you're dead? The whole point is to go blab whatever you want to blame for the very least after you don't returned her emails, but that their presence of deaths which in the whole service it provides.

Actually fell squarely on one side of what kind of a pretty big moral philosophical ethical discussion on finding after researching this, and that is whether or not you do have any right to privacy after your dead near- and I thought this is a pretty good. This is. It was the grab, sir, who wrote this article so of course, its quality. He should get paid

before this, yet we should at least gonna meet him here. He should come on you out of here now: email them awhile back Emma's. I mean early on located the tray he replied. I leave me alone here who are you what yeah I'm so the graves to read this article? You know its quality and that he makes a really good point read out a gate like to understand whether or not we have any privacy rights after we're dead at first investigate the privacy rights we have when were alive, we go about it and they are both at once sweeping and a tenuous. What's gonna happen, Thanks well, the constitution. If you're gonna talk rights of american citizens at least know better placed to start yet country, as it says, in the constitution, everyone has the right to privacy. Now it does not

I say that in that document or the bill of rights, but this in court over the years has interpreted the constitution in such a way that it in many cases, does provide a right to privacy based on largely night. The amendment, which is good, ninth amendments, as it there's probably rights that the framers didn't think of yeah. Pretty brought Amendment, of course, unlawful search and seizure, my favorite and for his commitment, which is that the feds can

deprive you of life, liberty or property buddy right in the interpretation of liberty. Privacy is a major aspect of answer, so this played out several times that anything is not in the constitution that can be challenged, means it's up to the Supreme Court to decide what what and they have generally sided with the rights of the individual to privacy. Time and time again, the the government has had the back of his hand smacked when its tried to say: hey parents. You have to do this with your kids, education, you can't home school, hippy, You need to put him in public school, so we can teach him exactly what we want in the Supreme Court that none of them are. They also said by the way you also came our sodomy between two consenting adults. Do you remember that time when there is like, like sodomy, was illegal. We alive and sent it goes well.

I'm sorry Lawrence V, taxes, two thousand three, yes, I know that's pretty red that was John Lawrence, Lorenson Tyrone Garner were lovers lovers: boyfriend, boyfriend boyfriend, they were committing an active coitus love making in the privacy their own home in the bedroom in it, and it was concerned What's the big went to very much consensual and and ninety ninety eight and the sheriffs deputy entered the apartment with his weapon drawn because. A call had been made by their neighbour saying that someone waving a gun and those domestic dispute goin on her, so the ship goes in their see these two guys doing it and I like you're, under arrest for doing that, and ass. It comes out later the neighbour easily. Do you see this phallic similar morning in my hand, turns out the neighbour that had reported this

previously in our relationship with one of those days, it was a false faults, not charge, but what you call it a false report and he was convicted of fifteen days in jail for making that car. Can you believe, petty jealousy- ended up changing the law under the Supreme have not crazy, but that is crazy, but they basically went to the Supreme Court in six. Three they said you know I did you can do that deed, nice in your bedroom there, for you chuck good for taxes, Giver Texas get further gay community as well. There is this great, generous read any act bar and Jeff comics met greening stuff

from like life, is hell let new life as Hell. I've never heard of the other was that part of the ECB. Our endeavours part of his nephew, the two guys who will take twenty both were fed yoga. There was one where it was like. There was sitting on the couch together and said, like that they were watching the news. In said, like from the tv, the sodomy has been outlawed, didn't like they move apart and accounting, and they move back together. The goddamn, the law, The first case you mention those was Myra Nebraska, and that was in nineteen. Twenty, a teacher was teaching German to student and they busted in arrested. You not teach in any one German. You need to be treated on the freedom, language Sakhalin II, American, but he one and then in Connecticut. Two people are planned parenthood, director and a physician open, a birth control clinic and they were arrested for selling contraceptives, but that was overturned rat, so the siding with the people so that they deserve cases

privacy. You know basically based on what you do in your own home or what you lose your own educational system business. Not so much because you can't you know you can't refuse the right. You can't refuse service to somebody Bay, selective skin, color anything. Yet you can sell contraceptive settled it orally. Can you can sell contraceptives anybody you want, but there there's desert. Those are all based on the idea that it's what you're doing in your own home at your own private business. That kind of thing I am, but there is actually an act, there's a federal act that says you have privacy, especially when it comes to government agencies and that's the Federal Privacy ACT appropriately name of nineteen. Seventy four that I came about at the time when people are just starting to figure out what computers were capable of their like. While those punch cards can do this and they re the public realise that wait. There's databases

and you don't have to walk all the way across Washington DC to get my file, which means you're not going to do that. So I'm safe. Now, you can cross reference things from agency. The agency in my information, is just a for grabs way more than it ever was before. So in response, the the federal government passed, the Federal Privacy ACT. Nineteen, seventy four: it's basically says you can go up to the e, a and b, like hey feds. I want to see my file and they have to show it to you was interesting. Is it certainly doesn't cover them getting the information for that file? No, it discovers the decision none of that information and if you walked up to the FBI and said he said, let me see what you got on me. The regulating lay like a sheer sheer come come in right over here. Ain't twinkies coffees, like Deniro Point Loring, Bravo,

Germany and he's just a little further right, tell you see that Forgetteth fur, yet the F b I ever offers you refer to walk away. If you can't I'm so, there was a. There was a pretty landmark act and that's definitely one of the. In addition, the Supreme Court's interpretation of the constitution that its it forms a pillar, the other pillar. Strangely enough, came under the Clinton years, and it is the health insurance portability and accountability act, hyper, which you might be familiar with from filling out like doctors for just a fiscally singly curiosa hyper waiver that

We already know portability be weird yeah, because then you can drink, it can't drink and act so yeah. Ninety, ninety six, and that that basically covers medical information. Things like your doctor, you're insurance provider can can disseminate about you right, and so you together, and you have a pretty reasonable right to privacy and, at the very least, to see what the feds have argued, depending on whether the law enforcement or not exact. So if you are alive, these are the rights that are forty two alive and a member of America American We write a card carrying member the moment. You die, though, that that Privacy ACT, the Federal Privacy ACT nineties only forest, like you did to me, you no longer of? Are you have no rights whatsoever under my umbrella, Hella Ella, that is to explicitly says hip.

Is the opposite. It actually extend those rights very plainly to your family and says you know your family can is now in charge of this in its completely transfer the permission.

Information sharing has given completely to them right. The the whole aspect of what a jewish state, its part of your state, are the basically the right to say yeah. That person can have access to this medical infra that medical information whatever yet that passes to the survivors hip, Israel, strict photo privacy like you're dead hippo is like your life. You you'll live forever. I can it's called descendant of earth. There's there's a descended c of the right to descend of all right. I'm sorry, and so too is something called the right of publicity. Yet this is pretty interesting yeah. So there is some thing that came out of the nineteen fiftys when arm baseball stars started thing like hey, wait, a minute man I

I'm not that hip with this guy coming out and take him. I pictured you know, setting it on top and then tops making money. I should be able to make some money, that's my picture and everybody went, but these are just baseball cardiac than afterwards somebody. You know one of the baseball place. Another now, there's more to it in everybody, said, can maybe you're right. We give in baseball star yeah so that out of that came the idea of the right to publicity, which is a celebrity somebody who can make money off of their image, their likeness their identity. Down to you or you, Don T like Einstein's identity is owned. Actually by the Hebrew University of Jerusalem will to him, and most people's identities are managed by their state when you're talking about famous folks right, there's also a company

called sanity worldwide out of Indiana Unbelievable there? Their business model is collecting rights of publicity, like that, I'm off of states or managing on forest state, but basically there the thing is licensing the identity of a dead person unbelievable, so do you remember, wasn't delicate course, commercial or whatever and John Wayne was in it, I remember that I still remember that by definite member Fred, Astaire wasn't a dirt devil. Yeah commercial, like dance where the brown right now, if he or the broom, became the dirt devil. I think that's the deal right now his if, if his family exercises their right to publicity of his estate, dare Devil paid to use his likeness yak wish. I would remember to look up. I can remember which weigh down went because there was a stink over it. Well, the put the thing is is likely, even if you are big on privacy, right, you're, right to publicity.

Is taxable. So, even if Freds protesters air said now, he wanted to rest in peace it and want to do any more dance, and especially now I see gee, I dance and he just wind to be dead. They likely did charge for that rather than to screening programme, because they have to pay taxes at this, the right to publicity, whether they use it or not. They figure that I don't know. I think I've been Jean Kelly actually come to think of it, and I think it was Fred Astaire Pitch fringing Kelly, but you know, will eventually no leveraging Kelly was the broom teen Kelly was always the broom, the Fred Astaire Snuff hello stuff? You should know listeners. Do you want a new year's resolution? That's easy to keep yes resolve to help protect your identity and personal info with lifelike identity, theft, protection, lifelong alert, you to potential threats,

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and off it it varies, and actually, in most of the world, the right of publicity doesn't death. But in the U S its state law issue. Yes, they posted in New York. It terminates death, but other states like Tennessee Washington in Indiana which govern the rights of Elvis Presley, Jimi, Hendrix. The energy, is based out of Indiana, probably no exit had yet They say the control of the identity is secured for a term from ranges from like a hundred years to forever right, which is really interesting. Unlike reset it, it's the presence image likenesses their identity and, like the Hebrew University of Jerusalem sued, some costume maker for creating. How are we and I must add that it was. You know, based on Einstein. What did it at the Einstein now probably kiss? I went wig the other night actually head for a L. Cheapest planet come as your face.

Rock STAR Party, so we're like what we gotta be dressed up as well, so we went way hopping. He had that's right and this before we knew we were even doing this pike ass. They had wigs. There were clearly people having ended, but they are just name something different right now, like shock, jock was the Howard Stern where I had an anyone house, one called the rehab wig she's gonna, see now her family We just is unaware that I'm sure they would have a lawsuit on their hands. They could soon american court. If it's an american company, ah see if you can guess top hat rocker Agar winner, that's good Flesh who slash, of course, but what was funny was along this wall of wigs a thinly

name's. There was a smoky wig and it was smoky with her face on its issues like sure I'll. Take money right, make a wig yeah. Well, you wouldn't you if you're snickey there would, if I was just so that's the right right. The publicity, vat and the hip of protection are descend ball rights, so its past. A lawyer and Einstein. His estate makes seventy six billion dollars a year. They didn't last five million five year, five combined yeah, but that's a lot less at the idea, Einstein, unlike any Elveston Hendricks in those guys in MID, like likely, melanin rose in the public domain and g. Yes, she is be theirs There is a fight over that. The California tried to basically passed like a lover boy law. It is made up that terminal. Except for the order that everyone has to work for the weekend. Everyone, as were bandanas, where they said

like Marilyn rose estate is, is part of the right to publicity added the sensible thing and I guess somebody didn't want that that way and they went to the trouble of proving that she was resident in New York at the time of death so ts. Well, I didn't you it's! fortuitous that you mentioned Monroe, or maybe I did because autopsy photos in the play here in her death photos. Arguably, among the sexiest death photos of all time, probably Autopsy photos of generally and murder scene photos have been generally protected. From release. When someone submits for the Freedom of Information ACT and says hey, we want to see these photos and the courts have generally said now. You know you can't write what with freedom of Information ACT. That's this thing. It's some beer

into the heart of the other of FIFA and the Freedom of Privacy act. Now, because it is it's this catch. Twenty two, it's like the government is tasked with the They're gonna gather information on you and keep it they have to protect. It gets your privacy. The government also has to be transparent. Somebody asks about that. Your information. The government has to give it to him under freedom of Information ACT unless again, if it has to do with law enforcement through this can turn you down outright yeah, but on a case by case basis, it usually decided whether or not their gonna granted in a lot of times a kick it to the courts and let the court's decide- and there have been some big ones. Usually the court ruled in favour of rules against the frame of reference.

Especially when their feels like there's going to be harmed, the faintly ass, its harmless or if it's been like many many years, they might allow it, but the wonder that the grabs dimensions- and here was the Vincent Foster case. Who is the attorney who killed himself and ninety? Ninety three who worked for the Clinton are the Clinton administration and here's. No, he was, I think, a white water guy to size like pretty, admittedly with the Clinton's while well, when he committed suicide, there were photographs of the scene, and aid were not made public so consume. People than ever. I, whatever report you have to fill out, did we want to see these photos and they said no. Yet, apparently, the guy still manage to get for polaroids released, which is regularly in Africa. If you do for him, if you want to spend your or a full day at least you just go ahead and type him Vince Foster,

click on what their. What really happened, harm thing on its its extensive exhaustive, I'm sure so, they learn heart much more recently was you know he crashed and killed was killed in at the date on a five hundred death, the Jura here he apparently died like foot off the guy who, like a really who spun amount yeah. That's what I heard some nice way to go out of the screw. You buddy they afford accords rejected the plea to release those photos in the newspaper and the supreme or they said you know, I'm running and entertain this case, but yeah Floris Florida passed a law, another lover, boy law, for it had prevent these. These photos from being released. New year,

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under it was headed by a woman named Rebecca, Brooks and she's now gone as a matter of fact, news of the world is gone because of all this. They were hacking like the this voice, mail accounts of like everybody the royals celebrities, but the one that was really just really awful was the voicemail of thirteen year old girl in a million dollar, who in two thousand to went missing while she was missing, is a big issue in England, where news of the world had some private detective hack, her voice mail and were listening to her voice, mail messages and the mailbox full. So they started deleting them so that people can leave morph if possible, so they could have more report on more. What were they try to get

any information they possibly could ass. The girl was still missing. She was dead at the time and no turning up like get clues. Now they were trying to get more leads a full mailbox in a dagger. Is not giving her male isn't gonna help anybody As news the world was going to date is deleted some after they listened in written stories on training. New story leads not hastily exactly all stories. They I own Hetty idea. They were doing this, so the girls parents thought she was still alive and was the leading her email or her voicemail yeah throws a very big deal. It also threw off the cops to the they hindered. The investigation Everybody has anything to do with that is now being executed by the state in great Britain. That brings up a good point, though it is, is this stuff a crime and exhorted depends on the law. Hyper actually does in full. SK penalties. If

You knowingly share medical information like selling Madonna's, perhaps mere, for instance, he could be put in jail for that. I almost justice that take a genuine quickly happen now than it was in the movie slacker Erika Mann, those clothes a bit stuff like that does happen for sure. Oh yeah, more often than not, though, though there will be civil penalties instead of criminal ones and you won't be going to jail, but you can slander someone after death. You can well depending on stay here, and they don't call us later. You can say what you want after death, its northern anti defamation law right in night. California is one state that was the only state I could find.

Most states like now. You can say whatever you want about somebody after they, they died, but there's something of a movement towards getting anti defamation laws in place for the deceased in space and this philosophical debate like can you harm a dead person right? I? What do you think what your opinion I don't know it seems like it would be a nice thing for your privacy rights to extend after death sure in the name of respecting the dead right, but

In the? U S, you ve noticed like most of the court cases were they were looking for the family, the survivors, this there's about, like that, the person the individual, even people who, like you, don't know any other viruses live long enough ago- that no one has any idea right, but the whole basis of it is that, like with through our lifetime through our life's work, are accomplished, mints are reputations. We build this thing, that's called an identity, a legacy and its survives is after death and that's what can be defamed and that's how you can harm a dead person if you believe that you can harm and dead person, and so that Canada so the drive to get people on board like hey, let's Alger, be nice about dead people, but well and in the day in this day and age of the electronic life, your emails, your facebook account like it, brings up a whole different, Get actually can until you're really really sad, tragic story, always speaking a facebook

I found a boyfriend from twenty five years ago on Facebook by chance, like now haven't thought of her. In literally twenty five year she looks great how's she doing sinner for Norquist bubble, blouse kind of honor Facebook page and then I saw a photo of her with a whither kid. Its head and instruments are like very bitter sweet to look at this without a man, a guess, her kitten. Passed away, that's awful scroll down a little more. She had passed away like two weeks previous, while this girl of light in the middle of the night, passed away, counterfeit had already sent the friend request, and I was like, oh my god, and for some reason you stuck with me for a few those I have seen that long, but I dislike all the sudden. Theirs is Facebook page with pictures everywhere and hey. This is me last week right now, not here, and then you know her kids had posted. You know like the kind of took over her car.

Where people were leaving memorial messages and things like that. So they bring up in the article. You know, typically, ninety days after an inactive account, they'll shut it down on us. That's Facebook, specific, but we'll Facebook apparently has a policy in place where, if you can prove your family member, something like that, they will revert control of it to you to base a basically becomes a memorial page like yeah, you may, as friends of third d J M arrive on Facebook for some reason. Yes in she still is in his pages Nelega Memorial page it people post on it like a couple times. It every day still well, I think that's what facebooks trying to create here with their whole new system. This rolling out is like this. Is your life right collected? Yes, and we only

if you want to know more about, basically will return most, whether or not you leave a digital legacy. Afterward stuffed blow your mind. Our colleagues, Robert Dean Julie, cover that didn't yesterday by your mind, so you can search that on Itunes or you can go to the stuff to blow your mind, arrests s paid by searching step to blow. You might arise as your favorite search engine and, if you want to read this really good article by the grab stir you can search. Do you have a right to privacy act? They die about privacy after death in the search bar. Cost of works, dot com and, since I said, search bar that means, of course, it's time for listener. Men, Josh, anaemic this something you called it, which is called busters, oh yeah. I guess I didn't call it that

author did. I was at a media this yet I have a great story for you about. Fifteen years ago, my uncle's wife, passed away from cancer came dissolution with his religion. At the time he had a co worker who, in an effort to help him cope with his grief in confusion, invited him to attend his church. While it turned out to be a cult and his co worker was recruiter, I wasn't exactly destructive held in terms of violence. There were no drugs to give him closer to aliens of suicides, no martyrs, etc. They're pretty peaceful, polygamous group Going some basic judeo christian principles didn't olive on the ranch, a ranch, but they did all live in the same town. When my uncle joined the profit of the court gave him a wife, pretty nice. Vigo welcome its a welcome and put him to work. My uncle soon came to be one of the profits top men. Family knew that he was several wives, but in its communications with us

only ever tell us about his first wife and children by her fast board. You a few months ago, my uncle's daughter is fourteen years old. The profit of the cult ordered his daughter. My hasn't been married to another man in my uncle the first time in a long time, things like no person and becomes uncomfortable situation here never once question what he had been told. He never even consider that use part of a cult considered it a small religion? He really struggle with this, after that he consumed as much as he could from that point about cults in groups, like is that he actually listened to your very podcast about thoughts awesomely awesome if we realise that he was in the very wrong and he had to get out since he was trusted him affected by many other members. He was able to convince many other higher ups and lay members that they we are also in a bad cold. They had to get out.

My uncle and many of the others were excommunicated in the cult now members, the cult numbers now our dreams, dwindling so like to thank you personally for your involvement in my uncle's returned to real life. I'm sure he still would have left the cult, but the extra knowledge of your fat cats was sure to help him along and then he's from anonymous is amazing about that. So combustion while yeah. That was really something I am not one of the girls, anybody their religious beliefs or anything like that, but if we can provide information that helps, people come to a decision there, comfortable with I'm proud of that So. Thank you anonymous for that letter that very excellent learn. Well, I mean, I think we should have this logic tee shirts or something like that of mustard

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