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Spin around long enough, and I think it's been exposed sure enough, we ve been educated enough. It everything I do. It just seemed jackasses. While we were just talking before we hit rock, Lord about whether or not we know anyone who has bipolar disorder- and I think most people probably know someone- you might not even know it, but am I definitely like I had a very specific friend in college. You had it and that that was in. I was like twenty suppose you did know about that stuff right when you were twenty cited.

So is very weird and that's for some ever heard the term, and I you now he fit the profile as far as being super up and full of life and energy one moment and then super down and very troubled to say the least- and this was these are words amusing from my twenty year old self in I just thought and he's like he super out who perhaps now he super down, but that this sort of a rudimentary waited describe it yeah yeah, I mean I'm a mean that is by Paulo disorder. In a nutshell, that's why they used to call it manic depressive disorder two year when they stop that, I think maybe in the nineties, it seems like to me

and as you you're not too far off from everybody, knowing somebody with bipolar disorder because patently about five point: seven million adults in the: U S a diagnosis, bipolar disorder- and I think three per cent of the population were wide- is estimated to suffer from it. Yeah, and now you said adults, it can manifest itself in children, but generally teenage mid teenage years and up is, is when you're gonna first start seeing signs of it. Yet fifteen or twenty five for the alleged in general and, as you said, checkers like the condition of by polarity, is characterized by intense frequent swings. From very happy to very, very sad and its much beyond the average persons mood swings because I mean I get it.

Fifteen years old. In your listening to this in, like was sometimes I M happy in and other times said, that's normal yeah. This Far beyond normal, like where you are in either case. Like you say, super upper super depressed its nowhere near what you are normally yet and in some cases the most severe bipolar disorder. There is known it's either totally one way are totally the other and the person suffering from its swings back and forth, maybe over the course of a couple weeks, yeah and lives like that. Sadly, we have a couple of steps:

about the effects I will get too early here, you're forty percent less likely to have a job if you're bipolar yeah. I think really high ten times more likely to abuse alcohol or drugs, which is as a sickly call effect as alcohol in drugs are really rough on you if you have bipolar disorder or yellow, can trigger a swing one way or the other. I saw that my friend actually college area here and fifteen percent of bipolar patients successfully commit suicide out of the twenty five to fifty percent, who try it and those numbers are starting with high right. Yet it's very high This support startlingly Sir Edward I'm so sorry about this with the who and what is a very kind and given a rough overview. But let's dig into the symptoms of bipolar disorder. Yeah you, there

Equally, the characterize to swings, mania and depression. You're having a manic episode, you're gonna, be a great mood. You're gonna be high on life. You're gonna have a lot of energy. You're, probably gonna, be Talkin really fast in its scope a real what Bulgaria with that excessive talking, talkativeness, I'm just really fast like everything else that movie with their bread Cooper and deny oh, oh or self reliance play with the other and you're gonna say that That is what other movie of those two been indicated that the one with them, where you take a pale- and you can like tat in the more of your brain, which is Deniro. Isn't I too near Another name movie, I know you're talking there wasn't a very good movie, but their inception Aller Maybe I can remember this is the point and people are yelling into their car steer here,

including rightly Cooper, yeah, it's like you idiot, I get, and I can't believe I just forget about sarongs. Playbook Cosette directly covers this yeah. But what I was drunk talking about was the manic use almost a mannequin another movie where just ideas, the time it hyper speed. Many just couldn't do him fast enough near so this characteristic, the maggots, sorry Bradley Cooper you're distracted. You don't maybe need as much sleep you restless entered a You might want to have a lot of sex yet like everything's, just magnified yeah and with a man, a gap assert their often like all of this, is often accompanied by a sensation of euphoria, so most people who suffer from bipolar disorder. Don't

seeking treatment when there in a man s estate right because it can make that yeah it for some people, manic state, you can have all things but is, instead of accompanied by euphoria, accompanied by irritability, quickness, anger teacher. So it's not it's not all funding games for everybody be I'd for the most part. Uranium, a manic episode and your bipolar year, joy, the manic episodes way more than you enjoy the depressive episodes yeah. I think both are super rough on friend family because in the manic state you'd you don't quite what you're gonna get. You know right well, you. May you engage in them very risky behaviour. You may make a bunch of them risky investments made by a lot of stuff. It can go so far as to you can have psychotic symptoms. So in a manic episode where you're displaying psychotic symptoms, you may you are God or total

infallible untouched, All I can do no wrong in the neck and feed into the the symptoms of engaging in very risky behaviour. Yet you could even hallucinate nor I like Volante thing yeah you suffer from delusions and the nations. So the DSM says that if you have it number of manic symptoms for at least one week, then consider demonic episode so that his kind, James, I apparently with the DSM five. This is the assent for stuff gotcha with the dear some five. They really cunning, they The prevailing idea was that, what's with this whole bipolar other otherwise specified Brad, otherwise specified He noticed a total cop out was we'll get you in a minute, but the idea that there is like this- you don't fit this winter, this one, so you for this Merrick. Third, I thought you domain rigorously and glad that strange. I think the kind of dog into diagnose

even more. Change some of the thresholds in exclusionary criteria, and now it'll is supposed to be a little more laser guided. But one of the ones that one of the things they did change was that, for example, I think as little as five days of an episode is enough to constitute a diagnosis rather than like a week or two. We something greater economic sense, and then you have hypo mania. Witches were like mania. Light is just a lesson. Tints version mania. So that's the manic swing. The depressive side of the coin is exactly what you think, but like amplified by a million like you're, not just sad, you feel despair.

In your sluggish and he can't focus and your restless in your irritable though these were the suicidal thoughts are coming. So it's it's, not your garden variety depression right that you might feel outdated, This is because we all feel that this right- and you might also experience, makes symptoms which is called them. A mixed episode suffer exam, You might have like a lot of intense energy but you might also be suffering from feelings of utter despair without a horrible combination near the aid in an basically you can exceed any mania and then add to some some other depressive, like suicidal thoughts manner. Recital thought right right: there will be a mixed episode right and then the you have can called rapid cycling witches when these Wings are presenting themselves. You know at the Essen five says like

I couldn't find that it had all a lot of changes to the rapid cycling. I think that what they found was that drug the necessarily responded drugs very well right, and they they ve kind of stirred, uneasily rapid, cycling or more, but I dont know what they changed. The diagnostic criteria for that, while here they they characterized by a year, at least for episodes of mania, hypo mania or depression right so like. If you have four episodes in a year you you ve, got rapids, apparently that's rapid. Right. I think it can be a lot more rapid and that I think that a minimum to be considered rapid, cycling. Ok, So what are the different types of bipolar disorder today through several by poor one with his ear. Essentially, your your life is going from one end of the spectrum to the other right, there's, not periods in between

only where you're way, where you'd do stable right. That's the most severe, obviously yeah, yeah bipolar, to which the sequel, Mr Howitt, that mean you have at least one episode of depression and one at least one hypo manic episode, but you could feel me now somewhat stabilized him between right, which is a big differentiate. Her apparently between into an unlikely said there used to be bipolar disorder. No, not otherwise specified acre aid, the cop out right there is a lot of people who are just kind of fitting into this in more necessarily getting the the right diagnosis near, and I guess they have expanded the criteria for by poor one in two and then they ve also kind of looked into a massive depressive disorder

and said: well, you you. This has some aspects of mania as well: that's technically a bipolar disorder to soak right. They can get away with it a little bit. I think, as they thought they were looking bad, yet so hard category? I mean another, take a lot of heat. It's tough, the categorize mental illness is different for everyone and well. A lot of people criticise the approach. The basis of the dsl is tell me how you're feeling right, which is flawed in and of itself, to begin with, be sure subjective reporting. Is this completely unreliable here that you can take a blood test in no result and then, secondly, to tee to further subjectively interpret those subjective self reports into suppose it no criteria, yet anything we have excellent acts. For you don't have acts are technically you're, not bipolar right, which means you don't have. Your insurance won't cover these methods that you need right. The whole systems vary screwed up, which is why their hoping do things like create blood tests grassy. Ah, you have

polar wine, and it's because of this narrow, transmitters messed up. So you will respond very well to this specific dose of this medicine. I don't think we're more than ten years, fifteen years away from it boy to be great, but it's it's gonna be a long horrible, ten or fifteen years for people who are suffering the most from bipolar disorder. The industry that can come fast enough and then the final, unless that's gone away to cycle of thy MIA, sits around that least severe, and that is at least two years of hyper NEA and milder depression swings, and I think also that I believe is still around. But I think it's it's changed the little too and I think that them, apparently the child psychologists of the field. Said. Are you guys there's a lot of exuberance even mania symptoms that are totally normal right in adolescents. So, let's, let's tightness up a little bit, because we don't want kids to be diagnosed by point because their parents think that their hyper

I put my fifteen year old on lithium exactly so, I think that they manage to kind of change the criteria for cyclists time. You're saying this is just above. The normal threshold of mood swings right, so like we said they dont know around, and if we did, they dont still my what causes it directly. Nor do they know how the drugs that treated yeah yeah and he knows it a lot of like try. This out. I think we know spaghetti will start to stick. The refrigerator, don't know exactly. Why bullet at the side anyway? But what I do know is that Alex can player. All you are gonna have an increase likelihood to develop it if someone in your like, if your parents at it lets say, but they also have these I'd. Outliers like you could be a twin in your twin- has bipolar disorder you dont right, so it's just sort of a mystery, still we're it seems like they there it does. Have the people are genetically predisposed

then and environmental factor, can trigger their bipolar disorder like a really rough childhood or a bad life event. Ores really really good the industry, but a sudden swing in normalcy person that is genetically predisposed to bipolar disorder is what can kick it off in your life here other we already talked about drugs and alcohol that can definitely trigger seasonal changes. I think we talk about seasonal affected disorder, said yes, said, which I think I think most people experience a little bit of that right by again, if you're genetically predisposed for at the way, I see it, and this is totally unscientific produced from research, this right? It seems like you, you there's a normal baseline for brain chemistry here and it's not a thin line. It's like a pretty good sized block yeah and it's easy to also get

outside of that one way or the other right and when you are outside of it, you have these symptoms of bipolar disorder and if you polar wine. You just constantly going from the top to the bottom of that block citizens very scientific and easy to understand. The block well mean media scientific bodies, interesting, ok and then, if you, if you save, have biplane you. You can exist within that normal range, but you can be knocked out of it, but your brain chemistry is already predisposed to having bipolar disorder by virtue of being able to over producer under produce certain Euro transmitters right, I think, will ultimately be the understanding of it while another. Definitely a lot of mental disorders to either too much or not enough. Dopamine and serotonin, like it's definitely brain chemistry going on. Yes in that's the yeah. They think that that's the m, basically the basis of it, is

fluctuations in brain chemistry. Yet, like super low serotonin during manic, depressive episodes is distorted. Yeah, apparently certain One of the brain is one of the neutral there's that are like everybody, calm down. Let's just keep things stable right, that's what certain it and you can have too much dopamine, which can result in both mania and depression, and I think too much is also present in psychosis too. So hallucinations delusions, that's why you can have. There is such a tough thing to try and study in a mere I'm reading that started that book Johnson. The great Johnson listens to show by the way yeah right of men, hysteric votes, only Gaze Van, an agent of his or her his book, the psychopath test. I started reading that yeah its super interesting. So far, is it

my historical fiction? Is it nonfiction? Is it totally fiction by a sort of a look at how the industry that mental health industry tackles mental health threats nonfiction? Yes, that sounds like it's at my only the ashes said: Nonfiction right off the bat. You're gonna make you guess yeah. I will let you are what you borrowed after a fashion. Actually, ok and then I will take you up on their own business New year's resolutions are very, very difficult to keep getting exercise save more money. What about this? We have a resolution that you can really work with stop wasting time going to the post office that right, you stamps dot com instead because they bring all the services of the Eu S postal service right to your computer, with your small business sinning invoices

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It is a long term. Illnesses is basically looked at as a even a lifelong illness right for most people, something you have to deal with forever: yeah medication, wise lithium, since the nightingale- as has been the go to. It still has to move stabilizer and it's gonna help out with both sides of your mood swings and apparently that works for you, Brian. I, like you, said if they go to in typically, like people tend to respond to that yeah. It's it did you go to for reason, church, not just because it was first right or that Nirvana son, he had, he was a bipolar right, would surely Gawayne shortly ethics and there are alternative solution Not everybody response to it. Not everybody has the good reaction to it. With a somebody who does respond well to lithium, they

have to keep a pretty good, I'm your lithium levels in your bloodstream, so you have to visit the doktor quite a bit. The whole point of I guess the rigmarole that you will go through when your diagnosis, bipolar and say I want to combat this meds is basically in blind yeah. I using a pragmatic approach to medicating. You understand Ok, you're reacting wilder this one bright. Let's try a slightly lower dose and see what happens with the theme in particular that they keep an eye on through through blood tests, but with all meds using used to treat bipolar disorder. They're gonna, really kind of like come. Try everything yet still like a feeling. You tell me how you feeling not. Let's do this test to read on a screen how you're feeling still yeah

and again part of the reason why, because they don't quite know how some drugs work, they just know that they do work for some people, that not everybody anti convulsions is another another that they use in. It's also a mood stabilizer, and I think that calms down the when your brain is the party brain at least that are wrapped up in. Acting, read one of the ways that it affects that is by arm. Increasing the amount to gather in your brain, YO gather kind of what does it say, forget it since four gamma Amino Butte, tiring acid, obviously well done. Thank you it's.

Since I tried to pronounce something hard well, you can use the anti convulsive, sometimes even with lithium. Again it can be. A cocktail of drugs are drawn bright depending on what works for you a typical aunt, I psychotic can help. They usually use those after they ve tried the lithium. I think they tried with first enforced unless you're a teenage girl or a pregnant woman, right and then the anti psychotic work, because they affect the amount. It don't mean in your brain right and again, high level dope mean can lead to psychotic symptoms, which is why they call the drugs a treat. Those if I psychotic right and then benzodiazepines a lax, since I think those reviews less problem.

Because they're addictive or can be addictive yeah an early start short term used right used and they, yes, they they use them to promote healthy sleep. To like you said, one of the symptoms, especially Romania, is going without sleep like you got too much to do right and you don't even need it. So you don't sleep and one of the, I guess the presence of gather below amounts of gather yeah, which is a no transmitted involved in getting sleep. I believe, staying asleep You can have underlined this idea that your sleep cycle is off in its either the result of your bipolar disorder or its helping the cause, you're bipolar story, either way they found that promoting healthy sleep, for example,.

Think how dark therapy is no exposure to artificial light after dark for a certain amount of time can help promote healthy sleep. An can help stabilize a bipolar disorder symptoms. Right, though, that make sense you why the debt like an ice, kills me when I see people on Facebook, it like three a m. Saying on Facebook that they have been sought me right, like you got a little shiny, bright screening, your face exactly start by putting that down here and see what happens here so yet so with this there's always look other chuck there like, and so many pieces of the jigsaw puzzle are on the table is haven't been fit together. Yeah yeah you, nobody, it seems like there is. There is a kind of a Hornets nest out there I wondered: can you live with bipolar?

or without medication. Right and apparently there's a big divide in the bipolar community, like there's pro med and anti malware, and I've seen comparisons between talking about like religion or politics or meds right with bipolar people. All the same right. You want to avoid those things to keep things friendly, but I've seen it people are like. Yes, you can without meds yeah, but you probably can't get to stable right without meds right and you get to stable, then maybe you can bite there. Practically no way to get the stable without the help of medications here. So people who have by poison

we'll be like I've been made free for a year, which is great, because it means that they have managed to fight off episodes in triggers, but they ve done that through other therapy to not just avoiding treatment right, because if you avoid treatment, not only does the does it does your condition get worse. It is harder to treat yeah. We, as is the episode supposedly deaf, get worse rice. You go yeah. Well, there are all kinds of their peace that use along either in place of your medications or along with, and we won't get too much entities because we ve gone through most of em before cognitive, behavioral therapy. Of course, family therapy group therapy, easy t we did it, it will show uneasy deed and we go. We did those again want Yale actual convulsive therapy and one that I haven't heard of social rhythm therapy. I hadn't heard about this either, but it makes uttering complete sense,

and that has to do with. I think getting yours yourself in your body on US set schedule is much better for you. You have bipolar disorder not only to sleep, but just right, regular, regularly, in your your day in your schedule there, and I don't think anybody suggesting that a bipolar d, There is a mind over matter type situation like I think there are very few mental illnesses that are that more clearly demonstrate the brain. East understanding of mental illness, then you're bipolar disorder, here, you're, Neuro, transmitters and the cap. Closing your brain are out of work right, it's as simple as that, right what these other non medication therapies seek to do, especially the interpersonal social rhythm therapy in kind of behavioral therapy, is to get you to confront this thing. To confer your condition and learned understand, like understanding triggers, are

stand that you have to have x amount of hours. Sleep at night She may end up in like a manic episode fry understand that, like you just can't drink whisky right, maybe you can have a beer, take every couple weeks or something, but you can't touch whisky because you'll end up like a manicure depressed. Figures out there and for you personally, these are your triggers, and if you avoid them, you can stay in that stable rain. And learn to live with bipolar disorder near a super interesting? I it's all right for this break. We're gonna talk, whether or not there is a link between creativity and bipolar disorder hey Chuck here, we ve got a pretty good website to, but not everybody does, even though they might want one where we have a team of people putting together. We do but just the everyday person walking around out there as a team of people just waiting to help them get their website together in a square space. That's right!

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as to you ever happening at ten percent off of your first purchase, that squares Vista coms, less stuff, with the offer code as too You are right, buddy, has long been a debate on whether or not creative people are either more likely to be bipolar, bipolar, keenly to creative genius. Yet do we talk about doing you? An episode on visiting a thinking cat, I think, cannon at this thinking. Tat make me genius episode, Yemen, as our shared Trans magnetic stimulate yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's, there's that exact Layton inhibition kind of thing. Schizophrenia and creativity? Yeah I mean there's deftly like a laundry list of very creative people throughout the years that suffer from by

or from Beethoven, Jimi Hendrix, wrote, manic, depression, Sylvia Plath, EDGAR, Allan POE Ex arose nonetheless near Graham Green Dickens. Theirs they dickens. No, what you just did Francis Wurtz, cobbler bright. Wilson, the beach voice yeah here he really had a terrible episode after did smile ever get released yet, and it is just a flop. Well, it got released recently I like you, a lot thing off our, but no, I ever got really said the so something happened that set him off. I guess the ban. The russian bear members wanted to go in a different direction while plot he was obsessed with the Beatles do and trying to be better than right, that's most of the model was up. There is pretty good, but yeah. I guess it. You never got releasing. Maybe that's what triggered is episode and started the dark years.

Yeah. This is long before anybody understood anything like this. Prior to the advent of the use of lithium for bipolar disorder, area incremental the seventy, So I have a thing that I'd like to read until along, but there's a great article from slate called. What is, if you like to have bipolar disorder, knows written by some anonymous baker in a kind of backs up a lot of our feeling here, but gives you just a little insight since we're not yet since we can talk first in Will at Miss Baker. Do it too much please, I think only in their extremes, Armenia and depression, actually unintelligible to ordinary folks that is at their utmost intensity. Their unlike anything, a normal person. Experiences- most times. They are not at all so different from the maximally, intense moods that everyone knows.

Morceau longer lasting and disconnected from normative causes, and that seems to be one of the big points is. Basically, what I say is that it's not so different then feeling manager depressed yourself, but its way more intense. Last four way longer in theirs men and not be a cause. Ryan nothin I dont have by pours whereby it would seem like it's too debilitating degree like it affects the rest of your life negatively, Yeah bipolar, is less about short term mood. Instability than about long term mood cycles. Instability is apart. But not the only part. Second, the cumulative effect of these cycles on nation of a personality, significant? So after a time that of a radically of radically changing interest in attitudes on such a timeline. One develops a certain site ability fighting this distract ability, or perhaps that's just me again, it's different for everyone,

but it is a major part of being by poor the personality that is shaped by a lifetime of intense fluctuating moods. So he's taken just a more macro approach. It's gonna make you who you are you can't just look at the bad mood or the up mood. It's gonna basically form your personality here yeah. I would imagine I know what it feels like to know the quality of the phenomenon. Logical experiences, a bipolar person encounters than an unaffected person is not. I don't think there are many of these going berserk being creative having an awful Amber not being able to trust my own emotional reactions. Are these certain wait when I was them out even so unique, but everyone loses it. Everyone has moments of charisma, creativity and success. So then achievement and everyone struggles with himself. Are you may not hallucinate, which this guy does by the way, but I bet you understand what is like for your mind, misbehave and react insanely. If you haven't yet lost

Role of your life just wait, and for me the most enduring way that bipolar feels different is and how I cannot trust my reactions. I thought this part was really interesting. When someone says something to you, any recognise it as an insult, for instance, as abuse or abuse, are you you're reactive anger is appropriate and you can commit to or you can make some determination based on your values. In your reason and she's, a different course of action. I can't even trust the person and that the person even insulted me. So I can't trust my emotional perceptions are reactions, so that's gotta make you to stay away out of sorts Maria. It came in Vienna. Feel your trusting your own emotions I like, if you that's, wanted it, One thing that you have there is your: how you're feeling about any given situation that makes up your personality and urge Parton, if that seems flawed to you that, yes, there are unjust where they live

then. Finally, that is the strangest thing about how it feels after the dust of the actual disorder, settles more than a decade in the disguise talking about his twelve year. I think, since he was diagnosed after more than a decade in open insanity, has abated and visits. Only briefly, the idea that I'm a secret artist is absurd It is a more or less normal life in which I have to. The size, mental hygiene like prioritizing regular sleep, for example, I always feel doubt about what I think and feel, as we are probably should anyway

He seemed and he's on medication, and it seems, I guess, a healthy attitude about it. It's interesting to hear people talking first person about mental illness. What is an answer to what is your friend to talk about it? Now to that he's, got it licked yeah! You know coping with ITALY's right, so you anything else. I don't have it out. This is a good one of which I hope some people, yet thanks to Mills Baker for being open to slate About the disorder yeah thanks to slay Emil's Nelson slave, if you want to learn more about bipolar disorder, you can take those words into the search bar has to efforts to come. I will a very good article in a bunch of other stuff too, and since I said very good article, that means is temporary listener mail. Joshua call this a shark correction,

yeah, I remember how we talked about sharks, basically perfected themselves and haven't changed and millions of years yeah. Oh yes, yes, a craven talk about sharks forever. Now I remember yet well there's some brandy findings, which is pretty excited and Jake Haze from New York City, citizen, really enjoy the Darwin and natural selection episodes guys and thought you might find this recent study published in the journal nature. That is interesting. Given the example you gave about sharks, apparently, contrary to the theory they barely change of the pass hundreds of millions of years. They may have evolved significantly actually from their ancient ancestors and may not be the living fossils. We thought they were a scientist. The thought the shark gills were an ancient system that predated modern fish. However, a newly, covered fossil of shark. That dates back three hundred twenty five million years. So remarkably different Gill skeleton, then modern sharks are this. Fossil provides evidence. Short gills have evolved over time.

And that it is actually modern day fish that may be the ones with the old Gill systems are the new Gill system may have changed over time to help sharks spread after their prey or prior open their job to eat larger things. So he said he just came across this article and I thought all over the place of course, like two weeks after we ve recorded goes even like a day early hours, something yeah, I think you're right, but is critical and fell in that his once again J case from New York City NICE thinks logic we appreciate you and I think, a few other people? Let us know about a two year, but none but Jake, from New York City spectator, we selected him If you want to, let us know, you're from New York City we want.

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