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Shep right, here's looking to listen to what we say. These things always have like the coolest back stories as always like a handful of people, would like to take it to the next level and there's always like underground like upstarts. It's it's like all of those things, so I find these pretty pretty interesting. I wouldn't want to just focus on these entirely, but I think we both very dissatisfied with their or ex gasped, with Josh injure yeah, actually nosey, now disregarding but I'd I can still be adding the history for sure of this. A super interesting yen. If you, if you aren't familiar, we didn't miss, fell the title of this episode of buildings. Actually combination of buildings, like you walk into a b, I eat lunch in possibly do some work. You know gone Facebook and take our sure you can do those in some buildings

get chased out of the basement. Via ghost. There are two things that can happen with a building survey knows what a building is then there's also something called bordering, which is climbing huge, enormous rocks. Basically, it's like I'm like right climbing. But it's a good rather than a mountain or a cliff face, or something like that, it's an actual bolder like a huge giant, bolder and dumb. I think it's harder than than rock climate can be depending on the ballroom shirt. But if you put those two things together, you get this new term, this relatively new term called building, and it is basically climbing those buildings that we mention before you I didn't know. This is a term either. Honestly, I don't need has witnessed How could you do that line and then at such you enter the article on Chinese? Is that I've got to learn more about this.

Well yeah, and then, when I clicked on asset. Oh, these are just those those wackos who climb. You know Tom Towers illegally, but mostly illegally. You got all that right. It's illegal, almost across the board, the buildings are usually climate, all especially the ones they get press every single person does is, is a wacko year and we'll go for this, but the latter central get arrested and stuff. The same is, as is the tightrope Walker that that wacky, french guy was his name ha ha ha ha yeah. The guy who walked between the world senators year, which seventy seven on man and why, I think we're gonna this man, a wire great documentary, very bad movie, was it. I just don't know they did two were to run

and eyes: Roger was his name, not run the surf damage at dawn, John, John yeah member he made a movie about a guy, was addicted internet porn, facilitating dating Scarlett Johansson. What you're, always well, yes, donjon. Dawn wine wasn't it now. I think it was John ok, But again I don't want a market which was a great movie but you're talking about J G L, that's, I didn't know you dramatic character. That's like the guy's, not called any of those things, but he like he wrote that movie. I was I kiss move his eighty, those pretty This is what do you want to do? You can do, then you are. Is I have this one idea I wanna make house cutlet shook his head. I liked him and Third Reich from the sun, and also that it was a surprisingly good to come.

Actually it was pretty well written and well acted. Stellar cast well yeah anything with her. What's a space in them super into yeah, available, I never you're talking to dad what is to blame You know we should tell people were recorded in the morning. That's why oh marinas so foggy. I hadn't really thought about that. But yeah it's gonna make a substantial difference again and really drag this went down. I think we have done that in a long time now, for good reason is John with gather, you think the track, but am also drunk so hope. Little from the night before last, I thought you stunk think like gin, No, I didn't actually drink a thing. Last night, oh ah, while hey wait, a minute you're, my for the record did not feel good, we're both teen totalling last night. So yes, bad,

be the only good thing about the man on wire movie was on the sum of the shots of the actual walk itself. I must add that looked really astounding, but man it was so bad Well, you know. I think that there is an over reliance on special effects these days to really move the along, rather than good old fashioned plot and in writing in dialogue. This is like. Oh, no, no, we're gonna have these great shot through these great Baxter does things gonna blow up here I mean. Has long been a problem. I mean it's like what action movies are made a right, but it seems to have crept its way into movies all over the spectrum. Yeah anything I'm sick. What you're talking about, then this is all well and he did that. He did this, sir. He broke the third wall and a lot of talking to the audience in this ridiculous Raj accent. And then he really

yeah man ever it was all this weird lotta we're choices, and I think it's also a case of a documentary that so good just stop there. You don't need to see it played out fictional Unita minutes like one of them pinnacles a documentary foaming. We killed some time yeah those great shook waiting, so orator about the that's the guy, your tongue. I can't believe neither one of us can remember the actual man's name. He what he walked a tightrope between the World Trade center towers, that's not building. Now there are people, there's a guy named shipwrecked Kelly who used to go up, I'm like the top of like a construction site. Unlike stack chairs and sit on top of one gets an absolutely insane. Not building building is strictly climbing up scaling a building on the outside to preferably get to the top bright and there's all different ways you can do it like you can do

free climbing, which is absolutely totally and completely insane. Yes for and also I want to go on record here about this as well as you do not do. This is bigger. Do not I don't care if you're one of the people were talking about, I'm I'm begging with you to stop doing what you're doing It's one of the most dangerous things a person can do you climbing a building in a lot of buildings are not made to be climb. Some of them are, like mostly I mean that's an obvious building the climb others are like. How are you doing this, especially if you're frequent?

but there's a lot of other implements people we keep. People can use that will go over as well that that is building it's not like affiliate petite, who walked on a wire right right ass. I had a look at the name that I'm glad you did to stop people from screaming in their car regret the history let's get. This was to me the most interesting thing about all of this is when I think of building or climbing buildings. I think well, this has been done. On four, probably thirty, forty years MAX, maybe about the time that mountain do really turned extreme birthright True at All- and I was genuinely shocked to know that people have been climbing buildings and in an extreme sports way, they used to call it that then, since there have been tall buildings right like in nineteen hundred

is when they started and which is about the time people started building like genuinely tall buildings. Here, it's crazy, there's a guy, the father of Modern Urban, climbing, Jaffrey, Winthrop Young, and he wrote a book. Small book called a guide book. If you well called the roof climbers guide to Trinity about Trinity College buildings in Cambridge England and basically was Ike. Here's how you do it mates here's. What you should climb on campus- and here is the best way to go about it, yea and either even little diagrams. That was like blue. There would show you which way to climb he would reference like one window, sill, there's a ledge. Next to this one dream piper the actual drain people work like he really can spelled out how you could make your way up to each building there,

and it was kind of like the school underground thing to do on training colleges campus that right and a kid. I still am it's hard to believe me that is going on in nineteen hundred we're. Here I mean college students have always been college students or don't you think me mister, you know so Jaffrey, Winthrop Young, his name really is confined to say, isn't it? Yes, he published this is kind of like a little underground smash from what I understand. The m. The deeds of the college were not happy about the one eyed oppressor yeah, I'm but then

almost forty years later, another pamphlet or many book came out and it was written pseudonym suit enormously. Via someone named Whipple Sniff, it turned out to be Knoll Symington, yes, another great in an heap he published something called the night climbers of Cambridge, neither university in Cambridge and dumb basically did the same thing is if you could even call it a follow up, and he actually, I think, coin- that term night climbing, which is still used around that town today to denote climbing up billings at night. No reason you do that night cause you don't want to get caught, yeah, it's crazy. The Cambridge was the year was the birth of modern, extreme, climbing and here in the United States. However, when it really start,

happening was when we started building skyscrapers, that is to say that the first like twenty thirty years of the twentieth century- and there were it's weird- there seems to have been a lot of Spiderman, inhuman flies and being taken. Maybe she dispute the little more regional rather than just say, I'm the new spider man right, and for God's sakes that they should stop wearing Spiderman up. It's gonna do this case. That is exclusively sure an hour on and they should stop making Spiderman movies over and over again are the new and so good there is it I've seen it yeah and I'm totally gets the whole thing. Where like in there's a new guy, but no one really like Canna, captured the comic book thing. Ok, I'll, give it a shot yeah I was. I was pretty taken with it. Ok, so yeah we serve billing skyscrapers here in the U S and almost all the gatekeeper like,

we claim that in some people didn't like you're saying there's one guy, who is the human fly? The original human fly, I think said, supposedly he authentic name from Grover Cleveland their president at the time. But this guy's name was Harry, H gardener and he was quite a character. Actually yeah did you look up pictures. Did it's crazy. He looks like me. I know what I expected, maybe that he would just like a little different from his peers of the day, but he is literally looks like he walked out of an accounting office in New York City then started climbing buildings yeah it's basically it's basically

did, and he got really get at it to get the slipped back here in the glasses and there's one great picture of him. He would usually where this cannot look like a weird white jumpsuit was his outfit as the human fly, but there is one that one great picture of you saw where he's hanging off of of a building ledge and a full three p suit. Like Don T his cap, I did see that pretty neat yeah. He had had a little bit panache. You could say beer? Is there anything? Ok. Now there is something more in settling, but something is happening. Very unsettling is old, timey athletic, where reflected here, you know and the other thing I thought of that even more in settling is old, timey wheelchairs weaker ones. Are they looked neither comfortable nor safe

No, then there there are clearly haunted by their past occupants, Africa. The hundred wheelchair, that's a good short story. I think so too man so gardener. First, big moves us. He climbed Detroit NEWS is twelve story at building a nineteen. Sixteen and as you'll see with most of these folks, They don't. Let me they call it a night climbing, but aside from the early days, they can't said you know what that's gonna for the birds day climbing where tat, because we can want people to see us yeah, because I mean at the time people than have a lot to do do you know it was a big thing like you could sit around and in red and that's great by people who are looking for stuff to do during the day too. So yeah like you, you could see, dare Devil, doing crazy stuff in the cities around this time and one of them was the time of the Detroit NEWS. Building did you say was twelve stories yet

EL stories in you know. He hid it right at noon. When people could leave their offices at lunch, leave their martinis on the table in the Detroit NEWS actually covered it in all the newspapers railways knocked out by these, new feats of daring, do they said they dared not cheer. Men stood and stared with bulging eyes. Women hugged their babies to their breasts and held their breath. Yeah, it's a lot. It reads easier than than its beaks that line yes, you're right, but I'm so this is like a huge deal in Detroit. And so a gardener was, I called, stood again. It was pretty easy. This time I lived listed, only press my luck, another time. Let me cheat that again scheduled, in other words a sick a couple days later, but apparently the crowds that turned out were so massive. Drawing the area and just disrupted.

Everything around there that they're like week. We can't do this, you can't climb so they cancelled it yeah it's kind of a bummer. It is a bummer, but he would not be deterred. He would go on to climb a many buildings, including the sixteen story Empire building in Birmingham Alabama, which added no burning had buildings at top. I know this is like back in the time when any city had a shot at being a great american city. You know I had to do is get a little investment, maybe hasn't cattle or timber, something and then build some skyscrapers, dried and Birmingham. As one of the great

consider especially and then in vancouver- and it seems like a lot of this- has happened over the years in Vancouver the cool, the seventeen story, world. Building there he climbed as well. Yes, as so he's like travelling North America, climbing these buildings is like a public spectacle. The president calls him the human fly, his his feeling pretty great, and then was only just drops out of public view that payments they dropped off the side of the building? No, he didn't. No one knows what happened to him, they don't know. He died where everyone or anything like that better supposedly the best gas is that he was that he was murdered, was Paris at the Eiffel Tower out is that there is an unidentified body that apparently masters description that was found beaten to death at the base of the Eiffel Tower

our liquor in. I think nineteen, thirty six or something like that can imagine lotta people didn't get beaten to death in Paris either back then now very taken a break after the reign of terror. There, like really got out a hand. Let's all this be peaceful for a while. So we take a break down, I gotta go. You will go chalk up and scale were Jerry's desk over there. Hey do you like? Finally, your taxes does anyone know well, here's the deal, buddy they're gonna make it easier on? U H,

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hey fuck, you so we're back get in. This is some reminded me of the going over. The Niagara falls in a barrel episode that right there was another one. I think we should do in episode I like their devils in general. You know we did that to partner on evil can evil eye. We did want to their levels. And their devils. I knew it did start men and can of all run. I think we did their devils her life. If I think is closed the book, I can say, I think we need to reduce the minister. But do you remember the one guy who went over the falls in over yet overnight? reforms in a barrel and lived there and then die

think slipping on an orange pure like years later, but yeah than a three stages opposite this, like the greatest worse thing, I've ever her pretty good too so who s got? leads the way. Apparently, he was known for saying, like a hundred something men have tried to do what I do and died trying with his ally, probably up they're. Probably some people who did you know The emulating hammer imitating him, but there are other successful ones to successful human flies. Early Spiderman. If you well yeah, going back again to the nineteen twenty illnesses. A little out of order sequentially, but I didn't in Henry Rowan broke. His hip fell only about thirty five feet in Iowa, climbing the Davis County Court House- and this was kennedy- took him out a commission for a while, but he would not be deterred as well. That's a cannibal. The rolling narrative here with these did you have. Is you can't keep em down now

Eight years later he returned climate, same courthouse and only twelve minutes, which is pretty impressive, yes and then put his hat on the head of the blind justice statue. I know that's the thing like this is a time when not wearing a hat was so scandalous that human flies would wear a hat out of doors, climate unit as lead them, and then those who do the diet to write There are a lot of guys they die, but this one would think fairly well known and died. H of Young died in nineteen twenty three. I fell off the hotel Martinique, which was a nine story drop for him, but you'll do it that way

that will kill you overture. The, although I was on a mosaic science magazine site and they had. I think it was called how to survive a fall or something like that, and it was basically about like on your way down what to do yeah, but not just like what to do. It wasn't just in instructional thing it was. It was also like a look at the study of falling in how we fall, which is kind of an under anything, but there are some people who are really like taking a hard look at it and dumb. I don't remember the exact just of it, but they do kindly tell you exactly the best way to improve the chances from a huge and you don't know that no new Africa If I thought this, probably the one key takeover well, I think they can take away. Is everybody should go read this article is from Mosaic Science magazine and its call, I think, like how to survive or fall cheese. Yeah, it's a given

scaring, so each of young dies very sad and then a couple more folks died the next year and then that's when city started to say all right, we're not calling at building yet because we're not in a time machine, but these crazy deeds need to knock it off. Yeah. There's like this is EL the irresponsible for us to allow this and not only allow a bit like assemble the citizens at lunchtime become watch this thing, you're, gonna pressure, so they did they serve to outline a kind of fellow wayside Undamned these early guys, like you, said buildings, not a term yet so they're called urban crime At least they are now the desert. There is actually a pretty big distinction between urban, climbing and filtering, although they they can very frequently overlap, and some people do both by urban climbing is

like that, would include climbing up the ladder on a construction train on the top of a skyscrapers. Some people do yet, as I can see those videos, I know it's it's just too much or it could be like climbing up a bridge or something but its ear, you're, using like other things. Besides just the face of the building which is that's kind of like one of the requisite building is you're not using any in the latter's or anything. That is intended to be climbed right, you're, using the building at the facade of the building itself, although sometimes that can imitate a ladder. Adele see here a minute but you're right, nothing extra right! So we jump from you know I guess the nineteen thirty or so, like you said it tailed off for a long time ago.

Reason and then, finally, in the nineteen seventies and eighties, things started to pick back up again, namely in the late nineteenth Seventys with amending George Willard. He was a toy maker, so here since Whimsie, I imagine for the idea of toy company and he took a pity o day literally and said. Well it and tell you, one body took a pity o day little personal time to go climb the World Trade center. Yeah. I love this guy, a lot actually yeah. He didn't three and a half hours and he actually had a rig. He was not a free climber. Cosette would just be insane and probably not possible with World Trade Center

by which was mostly glass, but he figured out a way to fit a device over the window, washers scaffold and then it fit, and if you see pictures of this guy doing so yeah you know between the World Trade center. Had these groups between the windows any probably rig something of his own making. Yet he he made himself yeah that would fit between the channel between those windows right and apparently after you figured that out, it wasn't too tough. Why was it was like? Come, I think, stood off but this implement that he designed with you now pretty genius, whether they climbed with relative ease right right, yeah, yeah, better than free, climbing, or something like that. You're sure he was using implements, but the thing when he, when he pressed down on its it, would slide into these slats that the window washing machine was to go up and down

like your sand in when he pressed down on it, it would lock into the sides and when you like lifted up on it, it would unlocking. So he could just kind of like shimmy up like that right that ten He had the foresight to bring a little hammer with him because he was like you know why. I'll bet that thing is not perfect all the way up yes and he brought about hammer with him and needed it many times. So I camera it out to talk about the shape that he needed to beat, but he and he made this climb and egg couple of cops. One of them was a a specialist in suicides. Were lowered down on an actual window watching conveyance and said you know they were given the task of of talking this guy down in that parenting,

point. They were like. Oh you, you mean to do this. You you're just climbing the World Trade Center earth. Are you doing her Yahoo mail? I would just walked up and jumped off dummy right exactly like this seems a little hard for that but day I'm they let him alone until he got to the top and then, of course they arrested and ruining when you get to the top sure, but he made it to the top floor. Yeah and originally apparently, the city was gonna, find him a big old fat, and this is the nineteen seventy seven a quarter of a million bucks which slaughter my today, but certainly a lot of money back then but mayor beam, I guess, was charmed and taken with Deak the attention it brought. Maybe the New York City yeah said: I'm gonna find you a penny per floor, so he paid a fine of a dollar and ten cents right, and I think there is probably a lot of public pressure to leave a sky alone because he became a celebrity overnight when he did so big time I mean he was. He was big time all of a sudden.

And it is this dinner thoughtful toy making guy who just decided he wanted to do this and made his own implement. You know and all of a sudden now he's only Johnny Carson, and Griffin and all the late night talk shows he got work start man on a bunch of shows, including the six million dollar man like just that one I'm like made him famous Seattle to this day. I usually, I think, he's he's one of the four sure whether the deeds people look back on as like very revered in sport. Yeah angry, you don't hear people doing like this anymore. Do you am I just not hearing about it? You're not hearing about it there and workers will get to that Alan Robert Guy right. He stopped climbers little buns off his it'll. Take climbing punts stupid sexy Flanders,

classic nineteen, eighty one there's a dude and he still crimes as well. I believe a California man and a good one, and I He was silly enough to put on a Spiderman costume, which I guess it feels cool at the time, but it is never looks good now, especially after you ve, seen the movies and like the really cool outfits that they put the Spiderman and said they did Walmart merchant re. When you're. Just like a kid at Halloween, we clearly see like what kind of like a sneakers you're wearing that circle, underneath the red spats they're supposed to cover up don't be. I ll give you the real Hollywood suit it with might look, can a person but no such like reading, given us. Also, if you gonna, go to this kind of trouble and do something this publicly like this an extra month in design and manufacture, your own costume, the greed, Kilo, Cape and there's something true, although that might get in the way

Well. I have to be a very lightweight thin small cape half site Maybe I would be a nude builder. Did you imagine? I now I can possibly for a while Sudan, Goodwin dressed up as Spidey, and he clung and this year's tower in Chicago, which is now the Willis Tower at the time this year, sour. It still is our new mercury and then would it going to climb the John Hancock Tower. Also in Chicago, and then he said: that's beans, I'm gonna, go see in tower in Toronto. So thing is over eighteen hundred feet tall and at the time the world's tell a structure which made him that the top dog for a bit and he kind that Cn Tower twice in the same day, would yeah why,

Because it was there, I guess I don't know- maybe somebody like those in the big of a deal going asked what I'll do it again see in a couple hours? and then Goodwin was then followed by the man. We're talking about a Frenchman or Frenchmen name, Alan Robert, or is it a lane? I never knew how to pronounce that when the eyes stuck in there, I dont know Ellen Ellen Donkey, that's right there in the mid nineties and he he is a stand alone, not a stand alone, but a stand apart at least because, while he occasioning will use some equipment, what he really likes to do is get out there, get some chalk on his hands and tackle a building. Yet this guy is, I mean, in my opinion, the greatest builder who's ever lived

the very least the riskiest or, at the very least, the most well known to everyone across another guy named Mustang Wanted- That's his actual name. One already goes by Mustang wanted. He needed is himself after an add on Craigslist executive and he does from what I can tell free free, climbing filtering. In his younger and in this kind of not well known quite well known in the building circles- german climbing circles, but yet Alain Robert Robust yet Alan Robert. What am I doing he arm like his sponsored he's that one on, if you wanna tell him by who, I think you should turn or what's the name of the company and the Hare replacement up, it's like a new vigil nor Jill nor Jill.

Nor Gill! Do I want among brave and a lot of trouble with the words that circle in the skies universe near this because this morning, but here yeah God bless him. He has summer so hairless going on. So he got the sponsorship. It made sense for his life. Forgotten right, give Rebecca and he also worth Spiderman outfit. So just stop deeds. Lighterman, he doesn't always he would from time, I think what you like a tradition now, maybe an inn, Joanna Maybe they really are like this is gonna make it feel so much cooler when I built this building through they gonna break. I think sir, we're gonna go, get our Spiderman customs and finished Go that way

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Audible trial today in your first audio book is on us to get started. Just visit, audible, dot, com, Slash S, why s gay or text S, wife, S, gay, too hundred five hundred. So we talked about how like these guys, can get kind of famous actually in some of them use their platforms for for good, like Alan Robert he'll, go both ways right, like ie he's taken tens of thousands of dollars to climb a building about like a spider man movie or something like that. I really that's why he was dressed a spider man. Did you really do that man and then I M, but on the other hand, his well known to like

for all barriers at the top that promote like I'm, like the climate change stuff. Like that, I will not go yet like there is a one website called a hundred months, dot org that he was promoting. I think back in the late nineties that basically positive that we had like a hundred months before the earth was irreversibly change by climate change, and I don't think that that has has pan out as successful that website and yet in the world's mind, yet other people have done the same: those either promotional stuff or banners sometimes like you said for it. Sometimes for dough, because a builders gotta eat. After all, sure you gotta be able to get to the places. If your traveling the world you, I need airplane money, yeah her sometimes like you said

the was willing that went on to decent start men work yeah. He did. He had a good way to get work. I'm Sebastian for car. Was the guy in casino right now. That's why I apologise to the entire country, France, for this effort, so you don't listen now, you're right, it's fine, He was wanting, has seen around who doubled up James Bond and did, although I think you did all the Parker AIR the building in nets and distancing. Yet he did was pretty need yet as a thrilling seen for sure yeah and we have to talk about the scene in mission impossible, ghosts, protocol thrilling as well apparently made it was for real. It was did

and it really was Tom cruise. During that time it was. I watched the foreseen again today. I watched it behind the scenes of the making of that seen. This is when he went out of the window of the birch Burst Khalifa in Dubai, which is the world's tallest tower twenty seven hundred seventeen feet and that think what you want about Tom Cruise, he I'm still sort of her in and out with that guy, but that scene is one of the most thrilling scenes in action movie. History to me and the idea that it was real yeah, I mean, of course he was fully cabled and tethered, and it was is as safe as you can imagine something being and then they go in it

erase all that stuff in postproduction, but it still he still up they're doing stuff. My lot running down the side of the building launching himself the side and swinging around, and not it's just it's amazing, really really great action will be seen. It is a lot of those movies were pretty good. The mission impossible once turned out. Ok, I think all of more good, except for the year. It was to the John Woodwind. That's what everybody says. What was wrong with that? I don't even know. If I saw it or not, I don't know. I think he just wasn't that good. May I can't remember if it was like cuz, you know, besides good action and stuff, you thought that a good story for mission impossible in good impulse

mission stuff right and I didn't have a- I think I remember it- does not have a very good plot in and good mission impossible type stuff, Janshah didn't feel mission impossible liked me I get, but they ve once bread bird got back onto the director, because those are good in my opinion. Yet, but that's what I'm saying like you need to have plot. You need to have a story. You have good dialogue here. So if you're going to do this, you should be prepared to be arrested dry, but dont do No, no, that's great great point. Chuck! Don't do this, because if you are going to you'd be arrested like apparently Allegro Bear has been arrested like a hundred times or something like that, yet Andy's become so promise. He never announces publicly. What he's going to do? He just shows up at the building. Early in the morning and distorts climbing young people. Take note right. He also apparently so famous that he was seen.

Hanging around inside me me on a tour something of the sharp in London and the buildings owners got freaked out and they went to court and got a restraining order against and we keep them away from their building for they d, like I know why you're here, you're gonna scout your casing than place. Yeah I mean obviously a liability for property owners. Although some have paid people and invited them to do so, to give them press shirt. So too, it's weird sort of mix illegality and, like a come, do this thing yeah I am, I mean for the most part. Those billing owner doesn't want you there's it's because they're they're covering their bottoms, you know like they do fall off any. Worse. If you fall off and you fall into some other people near the that's, that's a big problem for them. I never thought about that. Yes, I mean it's not just you who is your life is in jeopardy.

In that respect, but you're also lay draining like public resources, because the cops have to keep everybody back. A safe distance is selfish court for really is in danger of sport, but like theirs, it there's a lot of stuff. You can get in trouble for the least of which is probably criminal. Trespassing right, yeah and the cops don't really know what to do with you and apparently in Chicago. They tried to blast Spider Dan was his last aim, then get one thing Goodwin off of the building with fire hose. That's where he says I saw elsewhere that they tried to get him off the building using various means he's the one who said that it was with a firehouse we're talking about the Chicago polices entirely possible. Yet he also claim that fire, commissioner, William Blair, threatened to kill him if he did this again really, and both of these are claims from then good one who, by the way, I look at those in article wired magazine about him and allay robot,

and it was to put her inspirations unlike and Alain robbers were Zorro and Robin Hood, his niece clearly granted in reality, and then good ones are brutally makes sense. Carlos Costa, Nada, Steve jobs. You realise, when John Lennon famous extreme sportsmen, while you're just some minor league Parker, like a gorilla here, remember that a stronger always saying is give building a chance. The witches wildly ear, possible to imagine, there's no bill during its easy. If you try to do this all day, one of the one of the things while this is good because it actually giving their image of you can build a regatta had better keep it up now make a German in his builder. So

man that really through me off? Is you can picture him? They could cause I'm gonna get rose going yeah? I can picture like his is flanking in romp. Yet another picture instead of yoga honour him clinging to the site with the building and now I know airing Cooper will be sending a scenario for sure I know that's gonna say Ding Ding Goodwin, he was actually here. He said he was inspired by the LAS Vegas M Gm Grand Fire early eighties. Think maybe nineteen eighty, which I think we should do in episode, hotel fires to sounds weird gruesome is but the those actually like a lot of crazy history involved in their yet those one Atlanta in the early days Gaddafi. I can't remember what it was back then, but there's yeah they revamp that hotel. You can go to it now,

allow me to write down, thereby were the Hawks play Philips? Yes, Sir but I can remember the name of it after my head, but here we should do a hotels fires. One ok, very dark idea, so apparently Goodwin saw their hotel fire and saw people were trapped in that the fire department had nowhere we get to them and he was already a climber. I just don't think he was a builder and he apparently went up to the fire chief or the person in charge a fine as far as like. Let me climb up there and put some cables in place in you. Guys can go get these people out and the guy was like you I'm going to have you arrested. If you don't leave right now, yeah I mean his heart was in the right place, but fire chiefs kind of want to just do their thing and not have shirt. Citizens offer to put the I was in danger. On top of, that is firstly, if they're, just a spider man in an ill, treating child the cost of a chief here again green idea, supposedly he

inserted climbing the outside of buildings, a kind of proof that this could be done and that it should be done in there that people could be saved it, that you could use this kind of thing as a way to assist fire departments during fires which so far, I don't think anybody ever taken him up. I know there are builders on the year on the payroll, so one final thing own image in is that one building New York Times, building two thousand eight that allay Robert climbed into the cop but that was interviewed by the New York Times was silly enough to say, will look at the saying you don't have to be a professional like the building looks like a ladder,

and someone read that and then apparently later on that same day, someone who didn't wasn't even inexperienced builder from Brooklyn went out and climb the thing successfully near pretty interesting new and there have been unsuccessful, comes one guy who is climbing a billion Houston and shall like thirty stories in two thousand three, and he was reported by an eye. Witnesses is peacefully jumping, but I dont know. Apparently the building community doesn't necessarily by that they said nothing. You Brian John Hartley was his name. It's very said it is said, and it also goes to show just how dangerous, as this is dangerous, don't you even if you get the best Tom cruise suction cut you you can get your hands on and you got a nice some ropes and some friends you're really trustworthy. Just don't do it. Ok agreed! Well, since I said just don't do it, that's your cue to go

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