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Yes, nicer than the second That's all checks barking, because this step you should know in this particular stuff we should Know- is entitled how'd you dog, to perceive time, and I said in dog language. Just then I dont perceive time dad is up for debate. My friend, a vigorous debate chuck. Let me let me do low and show here a little leading sake whatever and spoiled reported there. What are we call me says what are we would say, Grace Intro, intro shackles, metals, Chuck Bout a year ago, then. Well year ago, this month, Paris, France, Paris, France, made history, legal history hussar. They actually used a dog as a witness in a criminal case.

Get the dog to like bark at someone the up. While I kid you not like an intruder at the very least- and I hope I nodded Bangladeshi newspaper here, because I found it in the daily mail which is not known for satire, but it's all can be known for poor reporting from time to time. So you may have agony face soon will find out, but there is a dog named Scooby that brought into a council as early as those in authority? This article, there is a dog named Scooby that was brought into a murder case where a hearing to see if there is an evidence to try a man for murder for something that was ruled. The suicide and the dog barked furiously at Thea alleged perpetrator negate misgivings snack.

Yeah, so that was last. I heard it was from a year ago, but there was some concern over whether the dogs memory would serve it or not, because I have been two and a half years since the incident look at that makes sense and that's kind of key to how dogs may or may not perceive time invest. I could come up with this great thanks so on what their, but that betrays a sense by at least the reporter and the key, it's in Paris that dogs have a memory that they ve. If they have a memory, then they should be able to perceive time right right, chocolates, talk about this. What is time me? Will you know my whole deal a time I have said it before My time is just abstract numbers on a calendar in and hands on a watch aren't time. Oh yes, no,

but you're talking most human, constructive time. Yes, based on twenty four hours, I Aachen arbitrary seven days a week. There will not necessarily Romani towards nears why it was actually kind of ingenious that we should come up with a twenty four hour day, because we have these things called circadian oscillate. Hers, yes, which what there the fluctuating in our circadian rhythm, one makes us fall asleep at night rack up in the morning body temperature get hungry at certain times, neural activity. Right, the neural activity in the hormones, our reactions to things like changes in temperature, yet that are on a daily basis. Things like the changes in natural light right, you're right so are our reaction to these are circadian oscillated

if you put em all the gather like sleeping at night and an down waking up in the morning. That's are sure, Katy and rhythm right. These circadian clocks actually exist on about a twenty four hour period. A mix instant, so by, like you said days on the calendar and all that that there is a human Constantia, so returned at the bottom of, is whether not dogs can perceive this not necessarily the human construct of time. Right, but have time in and of itself, which is essentially a past present and future. Exactly I know that one thing that we will talk about, maybe we'll talk about right now is year: three dogs have you have any dogs. I have two dogs. What I've two dogs, ineffectually, fostering too feral puppy rescues, which you now so right. Now, if you want to get rid of those two doctors, we could get rid of him like that. If we plug this on this on this pollyanna, we're gonna pick you up given to ok what

this, if you're not a creep in you, love dogs and you live in the EAST Lake area. Yeah that lenses send an email if you want one of Chucks puppy, surrogate yeah. So anyway, if your dogs or anything like my dogs, they actually my cats too. They know when the food Bell is going to ring sure. Actually they start Emily calls it. Food abuse, they start the food abuse, typically about an hour and a half before they tip they get fed every afternoon and in the morning we feed Imprimis straight away in the morning. So they know they know then. But my dog Lucy Dude comes in the room. And looks at you with her head cocked stamps on the floor with her feet and goes I'm waiting her for her literally to one day say feed me, one day I told him we if she did that one day or be surprised for about a second, so check here is where we reached the bone of contention right. The sorry for that pine, I'm not Jonathan Strickland, your dog- do the same thing ass. You might well know my. My dogs are fed constantly

They always have food, the for some reason, I'd lucked out and the latest whenever they want. I can imagine that pretty cool like ox, eat their food like it's the first time they have ever been fed. I swear before my dogs they're, pretty back when it comes to stuff like that, but if that no milly There there are healthier than I am well financed healthier than a lot of people. I know, though, there very they regulate their food and take on their own, it's weird, and so we are like the, but I know what you're talking about so. The question is this: do your dogs know, based on past experience that food is coming at a certain time of day, not necessarily like five? Thirty five p but say as far as the dogs concerned, when the sun is low in sky over there right, an American. I hadn't, though, they're, like Italians, playing native Americans right, don't you think I don't think so

or is it a circadian, oscillate her? Well, that's turkey. Not so it could be yeah. It could be what what that is they're, using the memories of past experiences to predict the future, which is episodic memory wretches our construction time, or is this semantic memory which is totally different, but related. Do you want me to go into this case. Is that research? I had no choice, then semantic memories are chuck. Let's say that you have brain damage to your phone alone. I do in fact, which is where your episodic memory right is located in the region that controls episodic memory, which is learning from experience right. You could conceivably learn how to play chess right right, but you won't

Amber where you learn how to play chess right. Much like they say, a baby learned had a walk and talk, but they don't remember that day. You taught me how to walk right. They don't have to re, learn crawling or walking or tawny day to day basis light because they learned it and that's semantic memory. That's like facts in rules and in impossibly motor movements right whatever or If I run into this wall, it's going to hurt my face chasm crawling right right, but they dont remember you know something about using them like come crawl them. That kind of thing right so yeah, that's semantic memory. Episodic memory would be like come. What did you have for breakfast this morning and efforts movie

Yoda Fritz Movie. I remember what the light look like. I remember what that with smell like that is precisely episodic memoranda. I should probably give shut out the tears and tall who, unlike this plainly, ripping off right now. The the chess example was one of the tools of examples of semantic memory and what you just said is almost word for word. An example of static memory. You said you know you remember these other details, sure, whereas head you said I had. I had a smoothly this morning, I must have because I always have a similarly right. That would be will not the burping part, but is, if you always had it yeah, maybe more like semantic memory it up. We reached the question: do you dogs perceive time, or are these reactions that appear like they're they're keeping track of time? Some way, maybe through circadian oscillate her based on semantic

raise and there's been. A lot of studies are not necessarily on dogs, but on other animals right yeah. Was his crackpots name Roberts. Now, what's this guy's name, Doktor Roberts? Yeah, oh, I have to say I'm gonna. Is she with doktor robbers, yet William Robert teasing Animal Cognition researcher right right off the bat you're taking issue with that? Let that tie up ok, yeah. He did some studies on pigeons and primates to name a couple long term in short term memory. As far as remembering sequence that they would, I guess, a peasant would pick it out in the primates with TAT out and to get a reward. They found that they'd per of pretty good short term memory for this kind of thing right, which is what were that's working memory right, yes by long term, has referred

yeah, but as far as reference goes, they couldn't remember it that well, if those, if there was a big break in between Right Roberts, actually wrote a very famous paper as far as animal cognition goes where he basically said that he concluded animals are stuck in time and I just made airports for those of you out there listening and podcast land and by stuck in time it means that they are. They live exclusively in the present that they don't have the capacity for forming long term episodic memory. Episodic is the key word. It is very much the case. I know home you're saying now. I taught my dog to sit when she was one, that's not the same thing as well. I met with the baby learning how to walk right. But that's that's not theirs.

The examples out their nature, that what kind of thumb belie Doktor Roberts idea that animals are dogs are stuck in time? Will it given is a squirrels forwards. Food stocking, as is the one who were for the winter and having a year after year after year. I believe robbers actually address then says but doors inexplicably disappear, which I assume some researchers white, install squirrels knots and then studied them to see what they would do. I dont understand that at all, I don't either seems like, I understand that at all, I don't either seems like they would. That would make them one onward yeah. So I kind of Heaven issue without even a little bit, but it's possible not entirely. Seeing that point all the way, I don't see the point, I'm not quite sure what what he meant there

though there is also one about the bananas right check. There's a that there are some primates every given choices between more or less bananas, yeah and predictably at first. If you offered an ape one banana or to bananas, they can take the two bananas too, but they found it they started increasing them bananas like ten compared to twenty, they would just go, the tin bananas they wouldn't he's in. He thought this meant they can't they have no concept of the future, like maybe I should take these bananas because, on my behalf reed tomorrow, right now that some day I think Roberts fails to take into account social structure you're right. We know that we could use ten bananas for tomorrow, but we also have things like preservation, techniques or refrigeration available. That's what I thought you and if you go back in time to the few thousand years ago,

two hundred gather societies or even Hunter gatherer societies around now. They dont store food at all they forged for what they need right then, and that's what they eat I would imagine that there were actually explain a lot of the primate decisions, there's no real into their societies and set up on this idea that I need more more to protect myself in the few exact? I dont know that that necessarily means that they dont have any concept of the future. I think that there's all these other explanation they're right and they may like one house when I read that the first thing I thought was maybe they're night they ve never taken more than

bananas in their life because they ve never needed to. So it doesn't even right down on them that that should be something they would do exactly or I guess what we're saying both of sir on the same page here there are other explanation. I agree, and I think one of the things I took from this article was that Roberts found it conclusive that animals are stuck in time by cherry picking. Some some studies here here we can disagree yeah there's a lot of other factors. I know that my dog Lucy a second time at five, thirty pm everyday here, because she's always asking for the food, so I guess another problem. It's entirely possible check that words are brain, start big enough to their notice biggest Roberts brain. Maybe big. Did you ever hear that, like gold fish have eight second memory span? I've never heard that. So I have you ever go.

This idea of a goldfish hear her cutie yeah Molly she's, very cute. Europe is now Molly at another interesting, but having an episodic memory makes it almost impossible to think about not having one so like it. If a goldfish does have a memory of eight seconds is a mean that every eight seconds, all of its memories, are purged like getting rid of the browser history and in your computer or as new experiences come into the present are older ones pushed out after they had this eight second maturity level right and how they have they tests that only goldfish anyway, perfect Chuck, perfect Segouin. Here's the biggest problem. Roberts position is almost inherently species. Ist you familiar with MR yeah. This is a legitimate terminal. Making this a animals have no souls the animals.

Have souls it's impossible for an animal like a dog to be happy rise. It it that's a secondary emotion itself, where enough there's a competing explanation for all this species is ten to rely very strictly or remain very strictly within the structure, provided by the scientific method and all his studies here. He probably came out from that frame of mind, you're right, the butt

is another way of looking at it, and that is that human simply haven't come up with tests that are clever enough track, yet definitive proof that an animal can experience happiness or can is aware of time the future. The pass that kind of thing you can take that way too far like after you know test after test after test. That proves the opposite. You could still conceivably say well, there's a test out there that that we have come up with your eye proves that they can. But I think that the testing that has been done is very much below that threshold. So far you, I don't think we have a clue what

Animals are capable of as far as consciousness goes because we have such a loose grasp on her own consciousness. Sure, and we can certainly can't delve into an animal's brain and see what they think they can't tell us anything. I guarantee you one thing about you doctor Robert is not a dog owner agreed agreed because you have dogs dude, and I guarantee we're gonna get tons of male People saying are you kidding? My dog displays emotion every day and you know I guess Caesar that the dog whisper might say. You know that you're putting a human construct on the dogs from a mind, yeah Andrew Anthropomorphized. Yeah. I don't know man. My dog is, though there both prettier, emotion, well yeah anthropomorphized thing is the go to ammunition for species as you and I, what I don't mean to say that anybody who saying like no animals can be happy because a secondary emotion and they lack that sense of self awareness required to experiences secondary emotion- is a species

but the too often go hand in hand and is really interesting that there's a line drawn right now between people who think animals don't have a soul right and people who think animals can be happy and all the implications that that come with that Jerry. I bet you think you're dogmas, right, Jerry saying to him: just gave the swedish space and not a guess, you're so arm. I feel like chicken. I just open a bill, can worm so we'll see others plays out and the emails yeah. If you want to read more about dogs proceeding time to answer the question: according to Robert no dogs don't proceed time times, a human construct consisting of a past present and future and doves pretty much living. The president took an idle

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