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Yet the EU be well fitted the battles nerds so were. Have you have you play before? Ok, this is about dungeons dragons, and I think that is a good move. Is two things one caveat if you're fifteen de person, when I'm gonna get everything right, we'll get where we, what we can write out you sleep by when it's not you be as comprehensive as you wanta. Where does what go over the basic it and two? I think we should both relate our own experience of people. Just now I played a little bit. Cause is right. My wheel house: did I'm really surprised that year community, let you play at this community air yeah, I didn't hear it talked about much in church, but while a surprise, school. There were some of my friends started to play and I played I started to a little.

But it was always way too complicated and involve for me a playful Topsecret, that's another roleplaying game that was like the espionage James Bond, nice the little bit of that, but I never got into it. Man, like other people dead, and I think it's because I was so active and I was I would always weatherby out writing my bikes, my bike and playing at the creek near my house, and building forts and zip lines in setting things on fire in putting fireworks and bought a rockets and model planes and flying them off my roof. Nice. I was doing stuff like that. I wasn't so much inside plain Dundee or I was early. I was an early gamer, so the skirting deals play adventure amatory luck with an arrow, exactly that's the real cutting edge yeah so that that would my deal mine was,

I did all of which I had a fall in the woods in Ireland. I could make a pretty give machine gun sound, and I did I kind of stuff, but I also played Dandy fairly extensively area. Several summers like there were displaced, we spent in a friend's basement. Playin, hang him dragons. I think it depends on who your friends said is unless you're the initiator like yield, is fallen and do whatever your friends your doing and here's the deal. I think this affected do. I grew up on a street in the woods with like six houses, yeah adding grow up and one has been wrongly roads, yeah, like all my other friends, so they would walk down the street and play the in the basement. It's just me, I'm a brow yeah out like in the woods. I would walk across the street for one group, Then there is another one where I derive my bike appear seeing different distance. I was, I was a secluded out sequestered out and in the forest catch, and I get made fun of because of that until later on, when all my friends like do you live on two acres in the woods rat, let's have a bonfire

we did so so we both play didn t we both are not experts in any way shape or form like the time my last play d till we sort of researching for this episode. I forgot everything basically over those three months so is like a pretty cool tripped. Our memory lane, like going back in researching the army to some cause, I didn't round, think I remembered how much I had played it, and it was a little bit more than I had remembered his lot subsequently. I remember that yeah that cover remember that box, but there's like I'd, tell you exactly. There is a time of new stuff that I didn't know that I learned researching Asher like come. I Gary Guy acts. Gags guy gets. Man, a bunch of people, doesn't matter of thine herds on their hands and I can't remove dear birds. Jerry Guy gets its contrary g from now on.

Here. He is the creator, along with the varnish in of tenders and dragons, and he was started out as a war gaming fanatic, so much so that he started Jen. Con leaked never was content his home town, yet, which is this huge gaming convention still, but he started out as a war gaming convention and its basically, where you roll dice, move little man. It's like risk risk as a working. It's like that, and access in our eyes are like quintessential war games. I love risk the guy aim, but Guy Jackson, in his buddies, were doing this before there was ever any risk like they were making their own boards are reacting. Battles are doing alternate universe battles of em along came Dave, Artisan, who I can't I had this idea

something a little less stilted a little more free form and he didn't quite heavy conception of a yet, but guy gets did he was working. They called chain mail and they got together and that ultimately became kind of the first dry run of dungeons and dragons, and they liked what they were doing in Can it took it from there and then ultimately made dungeons, dragons and nineteen seventy four yeah? and out a whole lot about about artisan. It seems that guy gets is always did I guess he was the original, like the originator of the

he's always the one this revered in, like in a bow down to its, as I hear is also I get the impression of a lot more of the self promoter than arsonists yeah, but yeah aiming they were both very much intimately involved in the creation of game for grain gags. Also by the way, Sidebar says that he is a decent The Goliath is era yeah he while he didn't. Let me rephrase that the interview I saw he wasn't like Mama descended Goliath. Here he wasn't like that. He's a cool guy here he said super guy, gags means giant and supposedly, like the family, lorries that we are descendants of Goliath, so I thought those for an instinctive, more appropriate than descendant of biblical giant than to make this fantastic of it the gay pride exactly he in theirs. Actually like a really neat wired article

on him. That includes a pretty decent amount in earnest and to call the dungeon master Gaia about Gary Guy gets done. Two thousand eight we ethic but the to get together and the Swiss when things are really good and they set up something called ts are, which is a company called a technical studies, rules which sounds like the most boring company you could ever think of. But this company is what produced the this. What became thee roleplaying yeah, like you, said Topsecret was the James Binding, Indy yeah, you didn't say: Topsecret was James Bond roleplaying game. Now the unity was judged literally, become synonymous with role playing games and for good reason. Like a ninety seven forming dungeon dragons came out. There is nothing in the entire world that even more

They resembled it. Yeah was super unique and that's one of the reasons. Why did you know people always say it's like a nerd game and near you set your basement by yourself and they did have adventure to go and buy itself, but they pointed out this article, two very social game, because you'd get together with your friends and sit around the table and you could play it straight and disorder play or you could start acting things out, do in funny voices and make it more like a drop dramatic. Like portrayal of this game, what was really kind of up to you, but it may have an nerdy connotations, but it- is also game like what you nerds together playing right one and if you get some of the recent ads for dungeons and dragons in some of the gamers magazines, they they are still appealing to that. The fact that its social game they trying to get people who

World war crafted like start playing in Asia and in their using tag lines like if you're gonna sit in your basement and pretend you're an off for hours on end. You might as well do with a group of friends yeah we're company. So I'm a has been social from the beginning and end. What what guy gets in earnest and came up with was essentially a book of rules that use dice to advance. Generic characters along so and then a nineteen seventy seven. They release the basic set as the Red Box that that's the one that makes us nostalgic great. Yes, and then they also simultaneously released advanced dungeons and dragons, which kind of head stricter there was more sweeping in scope, but they both came out and seventy seven, the train, and then in seventy nine, that the Dm Guide was introduced in if you play dungeons and dragons in a group, you gotta

of a someone run in the game, and that is the dungeon master. That is a person that sits behind a little cardboard screen and and hides all of their stories and they're the ones who create these basically can a right, the game and you, like some people, will spend hours and days and weeks. Creating these campaigns in these games for their friends to bring the life is characters in it. It was deadly unique at the time so. What you got all these additions writers. I think ten now they're working on the tenth. Pending on who you ass great and with every day of judges and dragons. There was a bleak there's a chain. Sometimes there, big changes like it. Nineteen, eighty nine they release the second edition of advanced under the dragons and like it did the lot of like the evil monsters, because, like the India Gonna bad rapporteur, will talk about later right arm and there is like

a kind of role that you had to figure out. How many hip point you lost, how many have points were inflicted? It was different and so with every addition. It's been different, indifferent, indifferent, yeah and you get adherence to different sets different versions, shirt which is kind of lead to this weird fracturing in dungeons, dragons, community, apparently- and you know the grab- stir a grave and asking one other writers of many of the articles are. We ve talked about he's a bit of a day in the expert it turns out. Oh yeah, yeah, and you can go check his stuff out behind the article agreed he he writes extensively on. I, oh nine, that calm about the indices took out his stuff. These basically saying like ok, you got a big fractured community of dna player,

everybody has their own addition that their favorite yeah, but everybody still want to be able to play together, but its sitting compatible so where he sayings wizards of the coast to people who made a magic, the gathering and ultimately body Indy, yeah, nineteen, eighty seven, they have said okay, this fifth edition gonna bring everything together, we'll see that well, let's grab and asked he says he says there is no point but wait. A literally unify the various additions under single real set. It will be like trying to build a car that uses parts from a two thousand ten Mustang nineteen, fifty packard in a tractor, so heating it was, but they have it in like open gaming testing right now, the fifth addition: I don't see what the big deal as I think that one of the cool things about the India's that, depending on who you play with like find your people here now They want my one played certain addition. I know that some players like to play with the little figurines in some people think that's an abomination, You should only use your imagination. Some people go

make up their own campaign. Some people stick to campaigns that are in the books. So I think that's a cool thing about it. Is there some out there for everybody and what you dislike to it? yeah. Then there's nothing for you for me. So let's talk about how to play like all the secure with primary em. We, since we're in a statute for the Red Box, which is the basic set, the basic rule book out first and seventy seven, then we're just can go with that, don't yell at us, but it's a very basic good ensured, the indeed for all the other people who are listening to them, you don't know what is going to get us a single episode, Undine D and you can have an entire podcast, it's about dandy that you did for five years. You know I'll bet, there are usher and right in. Let us now move from. You will treat about it, Ok, so like we said it is a role playing game, so the basic concept is but

you can't win. There is no Ike in point. Right is all just about the fun of continuing with these characters. You create right, that's the only beginning and end really the creation of a new character and yet, after that character, sure ain't even still like that character, dies and socks depending on how far longer character was, but you can always create another one. So other me about it. I think, as I was too late like our cheated, make up character? Are you Claude straight? Can't you have people, that's why I was never invited back. You know you're that guy Huh MA, am you don't remember? If I was, I just remember not getting it and be like all my guys, get it all just a month ago system on fire. I so create your character and in the the Red Box in the basic set you had these different attributes and abilities that will come into play as you play the game and they are strength course. Yes, pretty easy. How much you can how much damage can inflict with a weapon wisdom? How intuitive you are

externally, which is good. If your nimble, it could help you with a weapon, are getting it hi window on the second floor, specific, a missile weapon like a bow and arrow or something if you ever hide exotic jerks. Their discourteous appear that with a boner right intelligence, how smart they are, how much they can learn. Things is a character, a constitution which is your stamina, yeah and how much stuff you can carry how long you can fight. They fear that bag of the Eurostat and then charisma, which is your like ability. So if you wanna hook up friends or get out of a fight with some bad character? That's when that's gonna come into play in all these are determined by roles of the year. Like everything we just talked about, is represented by a number in then in addition to the armor class of the character, which is a number that represent, say how easy it is to inflict damage on that care

a number of points, which is, I guess, a representation of basically how much life you have left the german health right. Exactly a video game over your health bar. Actually you put all this together and you have a character that so long as stay alive can go out and go for the other day in the universe and in adventure indefinitely. Basically, I said there are seven playful characters in the aid than the basic set, and I think I remember being a cleric, but the first one is a fight, and that's what you think they're they're stronger in their better at fighting in there, probably not a smart or is charismatic, is like another character might be. It depends,

and have high charisma like in the DE indeed the basic sets players. Man, you here that the first character they hook up with has high charisma and high strength strength. Is the prime requisite for being a fighter, yeah, ok, so cleric. I think I was a cleric. That sort of a fighter in him in a wizard so that a good fighting abilities, but there so I dexterous and wise and yeah you cast spells, which is very important right with the difference between a Eric and a magic user, which is the next one. Is there a clear procedure spells through meditation adroit, so they have to surrender rest sometimes before they can get a new spell, and they also can turn I'm dead. We ain't literally turn the ended the other way. So if you have his army on your trail here, it's good to have clear to say: hey somebody's turnaround, zombies, where the calls on its obvious is one

rules is another undead skeletons at its? He added play enough money, the stuff I didn't, neither until I went back and read the entire players manual again, the other day so magical. Can do call things like the rebels of lightning and learn other spells, learn new spells without meditation notes, learning from book learning, which means you have to have the I'm requests is high. Intelligent score right has not a meditative thing right it s just from learning books. You have the dwarf, of course, what fancy game would be complete without it four feet all get that beard males. Males, have a beard yeah and in just like in, like Lord of the rings. Are there can onerous

strong and have great constitution and, of course, their good fighters cause their little short mean buggers right. You got the thief which you would think it took me a long time to figure this out to the thief you. Why would you want to have a thief run? The persons can still, I believe, will a thief, typically doesnt steal from people their adventuring with, but they do know how to find a secret doors traps Picklocks picklocks, ah yes, and so they very high dexterity score here, but there are also going to turn their back on you in a battle because it appears there not great fighters. Ok right, you don't wanna near the battle you want am. I cannot decide get out of the way he asked the fighter in there may be a door for two as well, but yet a thief is this kind of man to stand back, and maybe we'll get him a second

This cheer along, you got half wings there, even smaller than the dwarf, thoroughly three feet tall about sixty pounds and their Demi humans and their dexterous, and they have a great constitution there. Tough to hit gives her tiny into their good fighters through sport, yeah, I'm there also like dwarves and elves capable of sustaining magic attacks right, but which leads us to else it's another Demi human character there across between fighters and magic users. So they have high, strengthen high intelligence and it's not to say you're with any of these, like I want enough, so you roll until you have something with high intelligence in high strength. Yeah you can you not supposed to. We used was the role and come up with your ability, scores first and then figure out what you have based on that score. Yeah, and it is interesting in one thing to remember- is that it is about the imagination and even though these these characters exist. As

theories of numbers on a chart is all it is You create them in your mind and that's the fun part about it and I can ever started acting things out, like I've seen, other people do which can go overboard. Pretty yeah- and I guess I was sort of the precursor to were ended up being large- was dressing on the kitchen table, doing accents and things and write some people body. Let's go outside and takes its broomsticks inaccurate, despite began because in cardboard I'm in the move from making some sorts, Emily and active guy, I think I'll sit round tables. So you said that everything's represented numerically, unless absolutely true, except there's one thing that that kind of lends itself to acting at the very least decision making of a character in us alive. And there's three kinds of I'm basically Indy, there's lawful, which is what we would equate with good, gas, where, if you have a lawful character there, they're, probably the hero tied to put their own

on the line in order to save the group is certainly not going to turn and run without the rest of the group doing the same year. Chaotic is the opposite of that. It's what we would equate with evil. Yet it is a sort of look out for themselves. Forget the group and you think that would be the worst one, but apparently the worst is neutral. Because you can't tell their just gonna: do whatever is best for them? No matter what well that's the new chose very its animal lipstick yeah, where it's basically just about the survival of of the individual, and if you have a neutral person, they might fight with the group if they feel like the group's gonna win and protect them, or they may just turn around with he no hard feelings. It got nothing against you, but I'm just instinct sure that's what neutralise the dry, the alignment, hello step, you should know listeners. Do you want a new year's resolution? That's easy to keep yes results to help protect your identity and personal info with lifelike identity theft, protection, lifelong alert you to potential?

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In foods in all these different things. You can pick up along the way and even languages that if you approach character- and they don't speak your language, then you can communicate and you have to take a different path on your adventure. But everyone speak at least to universal, and then alignment tongue alignment tongue allows you to speak to other characters in that same alignment rights without the other people, knowing what's being set right in your private conversation. Exactly so. If you have, both of us were chaotic magic users righteous yes, and there is, if somebody playing there was a fighter who was lawful, we could say: hey. Let's put a charm, spell on this guy and make him do are bidding bright, and so the players can know what we're doing, but the character wooden. Yet, in the person responsible for keeping all the separate,

It is in charge of saying things like you would know that when the fighter says I want to kill the two magic users hurry, buddies charm on me, dungeon master would say, your character is another cause. They just spoken. There, alignment tongues, yeah and boy dungeon matters is specific and a person it. It takes a lot of work and you can get involved as you want to, but no matter which way slice it. If you're the damn you can be put in some time coming up with these things. Even worse, You can be put in some time coming up with these things, even the stories even before the beginning, even before he sat down and it sir I'd be curious to find some correlation between. People that were dungeon masters when they were like twelve in the late seventies, an early eighties and what they ended up doing with your life would be an interesting because they, I would say that, allow. More broadly running companies.

Running the show wherever they are, because it takes a great deal of initiative and patients. Unlike stamina and creativity, and all these things to be a great dungeon master plus a sense of justice is well, you have to be fair, oh yeah, I'm sure doesn't always sit well with the group and you like yours. Like they say it does take creativity. It takes also a total and other awareness of the game like while everybody's is creating their players. The dm has to show that very first game yet having the players manual. Having read the dungeon Masters Guide understand all the rules, and then, if you gay module, which no tears are published, tons of games which essentially are maps of an area that the dungeon master has access to culture and then

the whole game as a whole. Like understanding what players canoe a place can't do you have to understand how much damage monster can inflict will give an example, but the dungeons matters had his is intimidating. Yesterday me as an adult sought on how these kids at twelve or sit down figure in the stuff out. Well, so they they allowed the appearance of our missions. Don't you master can't cultivates this, as I do that very are all knowing but, like I said, their hiding behind a cardboard screen and behind the screen is like dungeon. Some guy, the gay module which has everything clear marked, and I urge all they have everything at their disposal, but there still over veered person, typically the dungeon after their omniscient workers. I don't know how many twelve year old said the initiative to take this on. There was, I think, it's about right. It's probably about out of every ten kids has initiative provided under master and the rest

One of the characters went out. Those big problem with the game is like. Sometimes you couldn't find summit auntie em, because there was a lot of work here. So let's give an example of of play. If you'll indulge me so ok we got a group of characters are on a campaign in a dungeon and by the way you know the reason why I became dungeons and dragons. It shows. Dungeons was because they didn't want players being about this kind of wander all over the place they want. It can't keep him together, small confined spaces in a dungeon or a cave system, or something like that is a pretty good way to keep. Everybody gets catacombs man how about the catacombs so you're Ura your group, a character zone campaign redundant and they d, I might say They like this in the mail again, the dam is in charge of telling you what's going on where you are describing your environment so that he or she may say

you're in a long dark corridor. You see a faint light at one end to your right is a ten feet by ten feet or it is locked. Do you want to try to pick the lock her continue down the corridor toward the toward the light, and so the players decide to have this pick the lock right. That's what you do now: here's what I don't get enough! You know this! Is it? Do you get together as a group and decide? a vote or get someone's turn to like say? No, it's my turn and I make the thief go. It depend so, first of all, before on a campaigner, you have a collar and that's the person who speaks to the demand for the group, but the collars also in charge of saying hey. What do you guys want to do and then seeing that the dm ok? So there were the just the voice of the group right, they don't make any decisions. The groups opposed to decide as a whole.

And the DMZ sitting there going little do they know exactly when there are turns as well, especially in combat. Now, if, like you, have three fighters in a thief, and then suddenly battling monitor. The thief is gonna, be like I'm staying for here and the d Amato leave them out of the terms. Ok and they'll. Be the thief in the minutes are in, the one fighter and monitor the next fighter in the maritime labour, but I always keep going. I like that. I get them except back to our little story, the door's locked. Do you want to pick the luck? We decide let's and our teeth into pick the lock? Ok, so so what happens with them? While they got it rolled the dice and that's it? you're out of things work. So if your thief, that means you're really good at picking lock. So let's say it's a twenty cited die and I gotta do is role like a four or higher to success. We picket so that this means your chances are really good, that you'll be

the lock. I don't have a thief you consider fighter in to pick the luck, but you may have to run like a sixteen or hire. You would think so, but fighters can't picklocks at all none. They do so. Iron like bang, on the doors are only serving the can like you can't even try if they don't have that were So basically, indeed like only eyes, I definitely not fires. So if you dont have a thief your campaign run the m, wouldn't even say you want to take the law. They may say you want to try to us Gaza, but the dear might also know in the game modules understandable. It can only be picked so so lot of workers from the fish on the dna is for sure, because you rolling for everything in your thing, they rode to find out. The thief was successful, and that would be bad. On that low number like if you see role a forger that in relation to the, externally score, beginning ethics, high dexterity to pick a lock, so the higher Dexter, for the lower you have to raw yeah

on a twenty cited die a lot more of a chance that you're gonna be successful. Picking a lot. It's all rolling of the dice in that members. So, in this case, The damn knows that, on the other, that door is the gelatinous cube, is bad news if you're playing the Indy, which, if you're an experience dvd player, that ten feet by ten feet door probably would have given it away, because the exact dimensions of gelatinous q, which has evolved to move through the doors of a dungeon shall be dead citizen. So what happens? The door opens there's a gelatinous cube boom and then you gotta do battle and when you're doing battle, you do it again by rolling dice and you get these hits. You have the hip points or wherever earlier and let's agar all these two four sided dies. You gotta each one once and that those will be the the links that the japanese Gelatinous Q puts on you right and if it totals seven, are higher than you're dead.

Exactly and if you have a on your hip point, seven have points you be, then so that I mean that generally the game and give experienced points which are huge, which is this? It's interesting than no experience points. That's what you do too, like grow is a character, more hit points to become more invincible, moors, killer, monster and you'll get experience. Wines yet way more experienced points forgetting treasure and the authors of the basic the indy rule books. Point out like this is we want you to use your head right How do you get around confrontation to go, find the loot right which, if you battle master, it deserves something sure, but the point is killing. The point is: is using your head it to get around problems as well? That's why you get more for treasure. Looking there, I had a thing. I think we made it up ass. I looked it up and

I got a bag of plenty, not a bag of holding the bag of holding was you could put like anything large in it and still be able to carry it like a found like all this food and a normally when Bialik, Harriet, Beecher bag of holding would allow that right and the right to dignity through other means like up the but yeah you're. The first proceeds ever said up the boat when somebody say kissed her what he has to say. If you just know a keystone, has you saved but yeah I, now. I would like you to it, but I had some called a bag of plenty and give me the upper remember man could not find anywhere. The only thing I found was something called a bag of plenty plus wanted and boulders gate which was a video game? I had played once, but I think, those Baldos Gate related to the Indies somehow yeah seem like one of the very ancient IA cited know that but worldwide

but on a well maybe what we played was with the bag aplenty, which is it would double. What are you put in it? So if you have a twenty gold coins, he put in your bag. Aplenty have a double that amount, but I think we might image Because I can't verify that anywhere. I wonder how many of you just inadvertently, admitted clean, bothers data. Wonder how many people to signal his credibility is out the window not feasible, every state player. I think people enjoy that now I don't know. Maybe I vaguely remember it to his mother's game, I played on PS too for three months. Until I completed it, and then it was done with the gutter. So if, if any of that even slightly picture interest, I would strongly recommend going in researching and maybe trying out, there's usually yeah, but if you're gonna meet up dot com, you can find him probably just about any even

am. I major city of the indian group, OSHA and apparently wednesdays are typically days it like comic book shops and gaming, shops and stuff, like that they have Dean DE groups where it is kind of like anybody who wants to come can can combine. May I try their hand and, I think, a very open community yeah. Why depends uh sure like if you tried to come in and like this plop die like hey. I want to join this game that you go out in plain for seven years, and I would like me: have you got a bag of plenty That's why they really bothers gate. I did try last night the online version yeah, I thought you know it give it a whirl. I downloaded this MAC beta version that was like eight gigs it took. Couple hours to download well and then there was some error and loading it wouldn't work like that sucks. I may go get my pc laptop, because you know me I'm rich. I have like eight

guns about, but that other like the fallen on your part, is so it's my pc laptop and tried to sign up and download the pc version, and it wouldn't recognize me it wouldn't. Let me because I had already signed a name and It was like midnight and screw this year, but I think I might try to play. The online version is to see what it's like. He has called video Yet we are not getting their whole other thing, but there's a good article by Jonathan Strickland and then the dragons online that you can find on how stuff works so arm, so I say: go check it out and if not, if it didn't really pick your interest at the very least Imagine you would be interested to know that for many many years

There are a lot of people with our voices who considered dungeons and dragons to be thoroughly satanic yeah and they didn't help that what was the year that the guy seventy nine James Egbert Jamestown Egbert the third by Dallas yeah. This was a kid at Michigan State University ends of said he went missing and they the story out and the one that was later disproven, but the one that really got around the news, was that he disappeared into the tunnel system underneath the school playing the Indy and died doing so. Yet here is a sixteen year old by the way computer prodigy in seventy nine there's like not such a thing is

you're prodigies then he's like one of the first he's missing and state and actually did go in esteem tunnels. Anyone to go kill himself to take an overdose. I forbid you it's a year, but it didn't work and he came to the steam tunnels yet had nothing to do with dungeons and dragons, but it was announced so in the news in the sort of what people remember time right now used as fuel. Of course, too The fire of this is evil game satanic. They made a movie with Tom Hanks yeah, There's a month exists in monster, Andy, remember seeing now and it first came out the tv move yeah, I guess you know it's distorted loosely told of slightly.

Lies version of James experts. You know the sensationalize version right real version. Tom Hanks plays a guy who gets so wrapped up in his character that he hates this has a break with reality. Yet it disappears play fine again, but he still thinks that he's Pardieu, the cleric icon, Purdue, declared felicitous parents now because they take him back home and he too some crazy dude yeah. I dont think any. There was any better reaction. A dungeon and dragons, then dark dungeons by chick publications on another. So, chip publications make religious tracks on everything about their extremely fundamentalist Christian and they have tracks on everything from how the new Jesuit Pope is in League, with the devil ass to how a few

Mason you become possessed by a heathen God in their basically like these easy to read comic books. You now familiar, I might have. If I saw one of my regular so and then they publish Germany, they sell em. So you can go hand, a mountain proselytize to people on the streets again an icebreaker. Basically, publications came up with the, not the criminal, the crime of aunt idea, indeed, material propaganda. Yes, it's called dark dungeons and it's a comic strip about a girl who becomes moves are plainly indeed and then is recruited into a real life witchcraft covering a cry. The Dante master, because under the dragons is just as front for Satanist like find the best of the best. You can do the real thing and one girl

so wrapped up in her character was rejected. As she goes and hangs herself in a room. That's a familiar, I might have been forced to read that complaint monthly check it out and it is more effect, the road, a blog post on these in some other ones, about how it's called back when people thought dungeons and dragons was satanic guitar sites that you should know that compromise in this it was is really interesting like there is this period they coincide with there satanic ritual abuse, scare yeah, with heavy metal music tat, their got juice, prison, tat, unsure how ran landed there wessner for three years in prison. His real things. They Diana Hysteria, yes indulge the dragons was, if not the originator of this huge part of it, was in the centre of it for a long time. But it came out because, thanks in part to the

dragging cartoon yet had a cartoon. They had a movie, which was a very good. I'm surprised! You haven't redone that movie here about the world some way I wrote a time. Egg is in article that was saying like. Why is done to the dragons not liking, huge franchise yeah really get to the bottom of the kind of settled on well made a billion dollars for its own azure. Isn't I think a dozen languages think twenty million people have played it, so it does have a huge following where they were saying like it's, not Lord of the rings, and why not- and I think possibly because it just totally open, ended in its that's what I think it's the individual ever the rings. You go red and there's a story and it happens and yeah you're kind of mentioning it you're. Just a joining we're talking is explained you and guided by the way thought talking sucked

really here using Conan sure, so I'm not o Brien the Barbarian right. So are we talking you're told with the indeed, like you, man, you're totally using your imagination and even more Something is strange, as a group Amanda Nation, a group of people using their imaginations together, yeah in kind of the inner locks like that level stuff. Well, it is high level and that's exactly why a movie failed and probably wouldn't not succeed is because. For the Indian movie the work you have to satisfy the Dundee fans and no matter who for movie, you have to create some heroic character in That's not going to satisfy all the indeed people, no matter who you create and what story you create their gimme, the Indy fans it. Thank now might what MIKE I was way better than this

jump right, exactly new call their away dragon dragon whenever there, because it led to my imagination, is this so yeah. I agree and I think it'll never happened yet too great success. Although the cartoon was pretty well received- and I think it is a classic we're- but that's that's different it- it was nominated for greatest cartoon chosen. Time nineteen, seventeen, nineteen eighty- I you know- I thousand nine- I put a list does anyone have any other nominees and on our website, people nominated more indulgent. Dragons was once so said there I think. Scooby do one of course dovetails with their hard contender. He added- I was surprised to see you gonna feel. No, I mean there are dozens of offshoots indifferent games, indifferent module, then like we only covered a very small part of it. The universities is vast D. The universe is, go forth and check it out here you say we

others, glasses and check it out. If you, if you want to learn more about dungeons and dragons, take those words into the search bar. How supports that camp and it will bring up some cool stuff about the way it is a sort of been known is like a guy's thing, but there's rapid female community with the Indy, and I saw a what's a documentary last night on dungeons drains is pretty good. The call the dungeons and dragons experience- and you know there's an hour long, there's like a pretty serious other documentary, that's being got kick started a relic that he is in production right now, it was ok, it wasn't great, but it did interviewer of female a woman and she was like yeah. A lot of girls. They see it as a guy thing: the oil guy nerd so reluctant to get into it, but the girls that I know that I have gotten into it have found that it. You know it's really not like a guy sing after I have just as much fun and dumb ITALY

one community is funny. They show them playing the unfortunate if they definitely get like danger masters going on and on and the players will savings in character like I'm, not sure what to do. You're such a long story and stuff. Like tat in their different, taking like barbed shots in character, but have unequivocally that's the way to do, I guess so. Actually, however, you in your group of friends want to do it and have funding it. That's the way to do it, yet, unless it views Satanism, men, like real by a there, was all made up If you want to learn more, deny recitals. Think yeah, I'm excited search guardsmen, time for message, break hey do you like them, your taxes, does. Anyone know

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