Possibly the most horrifically-named disease anyone could contract, flesh-eating bacteria can lead quickly lead to amputations and death. Learn about how this disease works and how to prevent it in this episode with Chuck and Josh.
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Article yeah he's Reba. Cyber fits gruesome yeah, and you know what this is like this kind of thinking,
I fear and EU when it's in the news which it has been lately in Georgia and nationwide, but it's
and we can say that enough troops, it don't freak out and don't start slithering yourself with antibacterial gel true to the writers credit. It is pointed out in this article is like five hundred cases of this a year worldwide. Right, I didn't get that either
still, even in the? U S sure now, I'm like maybe Andorra, there'd be huge, yet her, but Chuck after researching this fashioning bacteria scares the tar baby out of you exactly
Can be any longer had said he just didn't you just found a worker Jerry said beat, so that's not the same thing yeah, it's pretty scary, because its silence,
and it can flout the silent killer. I want it can creep up on you and in the case of Aimee Copeland, who will get to sadly like she was going to the hospitals for three days before the diagnostic yeah, and by that I must highlight bright. Aren't you too, like that she's revived, obviously, but the appointed as reading an article about heard, she's dislike tough, his nails. They circulates incredible. We're gonna have to answer to your leg and she said, like: let's
this year, what she said you couldn't even talk. She mouth it. I know far braver than me. I wouldn't like. Let's in this
the plug such are worth right. Yeah, I heard another she's up in about a person she did was take like a half gallon shot of starch and punch shouted doctor for final.
So we'll get to her tragic but inspiring story
I was gonna users. An intra I'll go had been right, so right now, Amy coupling she's on twenty four she's Georgia, lady
and she was on, as applying at a friends house and fell off. I don't know if zip line broke
She like our whatever, but it reveals a malfunction. It wasn't it
like a ravine creek over some brackish water near in Imbracus water. Actually, in all fresh water, there is a bacteria called arrow, Monos, Hydra failure or a hydra failure, and its everywhere. Normally, if you in just a little bit of this useful, is through swallowed water and it gives you the Pope's just area there, that's it you're. The reason why just diary is because you have whole colonies of bacteria and anti bodies in your stomach, better designed, specifically to take on a hydra failure rate in put smack down on the heart of your immune system. Right, thankfully, the thing is,
with Amy cope when she had a dashing or leg from when she felt here, and the bacteria got in that way, and that is the whole different hosted problems exactly on. Your body is not used to funding off bacteria through wounds near, and there are certain tat
bacteria, which are generally known as flashing bacteria that basically mounts the largest most vicious virulent campaign of any bacteria around
and your human, but this is what I didn't quite get, though, because you did this part as additional research which appreciate, but I'm not quite sure, is it a dummy attack
going on you wanna get into this. This is how flushing better yet mean that we must go ahead and tackle this and then will finish up. Amy story then get into it.
Kay. So what happens? What happens is the bacteria which is again a hundred failure is everywhere and worry about. It are used to strip the same group, a strap turtle. What I call a yeah, that's what gives a structure
everywhere. Fifteen to thirty percent of people are carriers right? These things are everywhere and normally, when they get in your body through normal channels, are body knows how to ward off with
come in through a wound, you have potentially big trouble in these bacteria are capable of producing toxins. There's an taro toxins there, which are sight o toxins, meaning like they directly go and like yourself, they like weaken the membrane or something like that.
So they can go and attack tissues and then another thing that they might express genetically is Exo toxins right. These are the ones where, if you, if you have a bacteria that expresses Exo toxin, that's good right now that other that prompted immune response it does. The problem is that these bacteria are, our problems, are setting off almost. It seems like purposefully, right and immune response from your tea cells. Ok, it's too big and its huge response comes about, and it's like this big lumbering, clumsy response from your tea cells. So your teeth,
going haywire, because this basically dummy attack has been launched by the factory to distract the tea cells. So this, what I don't get are they other t cells attacking the wrong thing? The tea cells are not taking anything. The tea cells going on high alert signal. The production of sight o king, which are like it signals there like triggers like his demeans, are there in a mere response: trigger zero kings are sort of kings in turn, overproduce her over excite macrophages and those things going like each cell detritus ridiculous accept
since the presentation factually detritus, okay, so itself, the trade as yet so they're going haywire and
Last but not least, they promote the release of free radical
which normally go in target bacteria, but in this huge under acted
immune response over respect. Syria has purposely triggered the free radicals, are attacking Alice tissue, as you have cited toxic in terror, toxins that the bank
is producing directly, and then it's also indirectly affecting this healthy tissue by
promoting the release of free radicals. It does seem purposeful it very much like it.
It's a drama reads: the art of war besides, this is how you gonna take you down exactly, and it works like a time. So you have your tissue, that's being destroyed by which is where you get that the term neckties emphasizes, which is the the correct term for first reading bacteria. That right- and you also promote something called toxic shock syndrome- is that when you organ start shutting down, that's part of it. Well, I will that makes sense, and it's scary and the scariest part of all this is that it starts out by some
really tiny like it can be a pinprick of an open wound. It doesn't have to be some began on your leg and it starts out of something small and turns into something big, which
scary, and you know if you, if you
the cut on your hand on your leg and you ve, actually, even
haven't been in any kind of brackish water. If you does, it starts to hurt,
worse than you think it should. Then it's probably not one of the five hundred cases, but you should probably start looking into well
surprising to me was: it doesn't have to be a continent and give me an abrasion, a bruise you. How could a Bruce? I don't get that I dont know if your skin is thin now that that site really likes authentic and get through the year, the outer darkness, maybe but yeah you can in any, doesn't just have to be. Like you said, brackish water like if you have a kite, an open wound on your finger and you around somebody with struck throat yeah, you could conceivably I'll ever all the stuff is in place for you to take
fact, neck retiring Fashionitis and it can go person to person for sure, but without an open wound, its pretty unlikely like that's how they get in and they eat the fat. They eat the tissue, and then they started consumer organs right. In the reason, the functioning bacteria is so clinically. The clinical term is neck retiring, fair Cyprus, which means the killing of fascism. Right fanciers, like this membrane that access connecting tissue between your skin in fatty layer and your muscles and joints in tendons in ligament and bones in organs
and it's this uninterrupted membrane that covers your entire body beneath your skin. It's like gum, one of those, are what are they call them that their one guy Senate too, as we have a green screen, one
oh the route, to hear the body to think a roots yeah, but it's been between your skin in your muscles right. This is where this infection takes place and since its uninterrupted it can go everywhere, just basically chugs along and separate your skin. From your muscles, by killing all the tissue around it well, in the other scary part, as is really really really fast year, like this football player from the University of Tulsa died in a week, big healthy, tied end in a like, you, don't have to be weak, kneed ought to be old or a child like begin attack, anyone that gets it and take you up.
Quickly in just a matter of days like you said he can go from a temporary to you, just lost your leg yet well, which is what happened with Amy Copeland. I mean it's a miracle that she's alive right now, but
did up having her left leg completely amputated her right foot. Both her hands and party were torso and she got out the hospital I like em. He took a while, but then ethics, two or three days later she was already had taught her somehow to eat. This company has thrown into build like a thirty forty thousand, our addiction to her home for like rehabilitation and stuff and yeah. Pretty amazing. Like heard her spirit, her dad has been posting like Eurasia unlikely.
Book and I heard website they started and she's a bad memory JAMA way better than me, she's, tough, near very inspiring new.
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so Georgia, who had another nepotism case there
we in the rooms next to another one white thereafter, I think a burnt centre in a guess tat was because it places like one of the one of the few places enjoyed that like knows what they're doing with neckties infatuated right arm and so
You know how do you treat this thing, while the first thing you do want is diagnosed is like huge, huge, heavy dozens of antibiotics yeah that obviously the tranquil it but like we're not talking like Popopo every six hours, no like concentrate this basically learning your body with an immune glove and globally,
Immunity, Global Jerry thought I was gonna, get hurt so
they want to remove like any of the dying flash in train,
Can I salute it and remove the bad part, which is what they were doing with her in a bid to spread so quickly? He now they were like fighting a really appeal battle. On her case, I read in a case study. I have you seen any pictures of the stuff now, so I read a case study of this woman who came in and she had it in her arm and down. You can just first or armies, swollen the cabbage PET kids arm
but then as a splash is of like purple mines, but as a black rare and then who it's called this coordination, where, like the top layers, skin is peeling off in all. This had happened to her like over the course of ours here and as they are treating at one of the things that they'll do before amputation is called the bride meant there were basically they take that the limits infected or the area that infected, and they just scrape the the tissue. I read about that. I saw a picture of its horrific, yet my didn't look at the pictures.
And then after that, they have to treat it with skin graphs after efforts been after, they got all that, hopefully if they would actually get it on her torso. Yet again, if they can't get it, then they amputate yeah, it's a pretty serious conditions.
So what the look out for we said if you have like of a small issuing this, like disproportionately painful, you, should go and highlight
It becomes like swollen and read, and hot that's really
sign. If you get typical things you might associate with bacteria
infection like diarrhea and fever and chills nigerian vomiting, that's really bad sign to, especially if you have just a small country
so that nausea vomiting all that stuff could be the result of the infection. It could also be the infection leading to toxic shock syndrome right, which in itself is pretty interesting, apparently only known about that since nineteen. Seventy eight well yeah, do you remember like associating with tampons well when I first came out, like almost all the case, studies of this toxic shocks in Rome, which is like a basically your organ multi organ failure, which is three or more ah lowered blood pressure. All this other stuff
they're. All other cases were of people who are using like high absorbency tampons. They were women, then they started to look more more and they realise that that didn't hold. True in you looked at more of a case studies Earl,
men, everything you know they realise that is the result of an infection so like the lower brought blood pressure. Right is like your body mounting this huge immune defence and I m. So history means really, sir, your blood vessels dilate. So your blood pressure decreases to it.
Really dangerous level is basically your body having this enormous allergic reaction, soon infection and had nothing to do with hampered. No, it is still there, but I thought it was just Tampa triggered tax
shock while gave and still is like warnings on boxes. I think they're really like toxic shock syndrome, warning she's riskier. I had all their sisters stupid and I'm getting a business
so the first twenty four hours you know, you're gonna, feel these pains that second twentieth,
three to four days in their escape,
swelling and that's when you might get
properly rash or alike blisters that are filled with a dark flu.
That's not a good sign at all
your skin, even at that point, even three two fortys and might start to fight off and turn white or dark, and that is definitely events on the disqualification
in forty five days in this when the toxic shock happens and you're pretty lucky. If you have been treated at this point to make it alive toxic shock alone, fifty percent of cases are fatal with flashing bacteria. Overall, thirty to forty, I saw twenty five
worth twenty five to forty percent of cases. While so should we talk about wound care, sure I've never clean the wound like this? Well then you him
then you once correctly. This is one of the ways to prevent flushing bacteria. That's right! You wanna flesh you weren't, with cold water, initially, no soap. In effect,
don't you want to get soap into the wound? Apparently Yonah clean around it with with soap and cloth, and then
alcohol and put it on your tweezers user tweezers to clean out any gaunt. It's in there
If we in the wound site yeah,
You know I've. Never thank goodness tweezers in one of my cut ever well. It means you didn't have any in there. I didn't you didn't know. I didn't know it's like I'm not putting trees,
then you want to apply bandage. If it's a place, it can be exposed the dirt and they said, ask a doctor whether or not to bandage, because sometimes Windsor, better on bandaged and he'll quicker. Sometimes there better bandaged and then the old any bought appointment will always do you write the free world
yeah I almost always put abandoned. I never had a boon. Where am I grow approaching for demanding symbolic ended? When are you gonna get some other stuff like risk factors can be totally healthy. Just from the arm badness of Amy Copeland, icing, she's, probably healthy person yeah. I think a lot of people typically are healthy, so you can still come now: a flashing bacteria, neck retiring Fashionitis as a whole
the person, but there are some risk factors that they would put you in the higher likelihood camp. If you ve had an infection recently, especially with the rash like chicken pox there, that's one cuts, abrasions, those are big ones, steroids use you dont want of ease and steroids anyway, but even if they were prescribed yet you have cut medications that are good. I think steroids series
prevent cuts from healing is fast, though. Let us, I think, those two combined make you at a higher risk. If your immune system is lower, sure I've just been sick, maybe MIA Diabetes is a big one and then, if you are a black, our heroine user, there ve been outbreaks of neck retiring Fashionitis among heroin users before there is one in the late nineties in San Francisco, really in black tar in particular, set you up for it, because it's like this lower purity heroin, that's gummy! It's coming here than regular heroin now so collapses. Your veins, like almost immediately so people who shoot lacked our heroine, do with called skin popping where they should just under the Skinner into their muscle stress and then because it's not the least bit refined
why it's gummy, there's often impurities and sometimes summers, impurities, clustered media, the kind of bacteria that can be a flashing bacteria, so basically, if you're, shooting biter hair when you're running the risk of directly injecting flashing bacteria and if people lost arm shoulders ribs to flashing bacteria by shooting like our heroine, I think the step he should know advice is to not do heroin was discussed and still less sure I could get behind, avoiding a whole host of problems. Have you dont do heroin
The age, so what else can prevent it will keep the ones clean, wash your hands alight, and that means
warm water and soap in, like fifteen twenty seconds of good scrubbing, like you're gone into surgery. Get between the fingers. Dried,
really well and then after dry off dont, go on put your hand back on the path it to turn it off in a public, bathroom or even your own bathroom, although an authority than a man whom I think your own homes, ok near, I feel like there should be some sort of. I mean it could lead to a rise in super bugs, but we already face that. So what would we have good, but I feel that there should be more.
Cleaning products handy in like public bathrooms. While there are increasingly, you see those little hands anytime
does. She know like there's of like bleach water in discussing the survey that toilet seat
Well, I'm not like a Howard Hughes type, but I'd I definitely after I wash my hands in the bathroom in public, like I don't put my hand on the door handle or anything like that, always try and muscle my way out or put it paper towel between me and the thing I'm extremely conscious of it too, especially the gym there have been more conscious but which pops up with your character and an episode in tv show its company. That's a little
these are new things either right. There has to be anything else. No, I mean Amy Copeland stories been prominent lately. Obviously they are accepting donations and I think we be remiss if we didn't announced that
she felt her name a. I am ie, so it's
I am a c o p e away. Indeed, com, flash donations
the website anyway and her stories on their progress on there in itself
frightening and inspiring in her case. So it's definitely. I think that triggered our desire to do this right or did well yeah. I mean just that it not only that, but it seemed like
Nobody really had a good idea of what flashing battery does such a lousy, local, measurable
yeah, and I'm not even local, like the national stuff too, is like you know, really misinformed like there like a each through your tissue, and it doesn't need to you.
You know nobody dug in the house. It really works very frustrating. You know why cause this way easier, distant scare, people with things with non facts right, but this
and the ones hers like the moral looked into it, the more scared I be
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than sport or gallo. More and more so, like it wasn't until nineteen fifty two that somebody used the term neckties in fact I'd us and we really started to understand that it was back terrier whatever, but Thea. We knew about it since the civil war,
Well, that's crazy what they call it, though in this or what they used to name it according to the doktor who reported it so like in inner, was also based on the area of the body. That was infected so like, if you had fern ears, are forty is great gangrene that it meant that your flesh eating bacteria around your genitals. If you had lewd wigs angina
had flashing bakery run your face, her mouth or jar really Yan, and they figured out like our reach a classified by the kind of activity and that these are not separate. Things like this is all the same thing. These people's head, like a cut around there, that this got into employment, big trouble back then dear, oh yeah, if you're in big trouble now imagine back, then pretty scary. You know the first guided discovers a confederate so or certain named Joseph Jones and I'm sure he was like. I can't do anything for you, man bright, he retired.
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