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Charles every Chuck, Brian YAP and already already. This is thus that we should now I broke the rule, the rule that you set unlike the first week out here. You relate not see anything for the first sixty seconds or your out here. That rules are true. Freedom will talk about this later I've, a prediction really quickly about this. I guess I predict that it will be our most serious in joke free podcast to date. Yes, I also predict piggy back on your prediction that by the time we leave the studio will Bloody Crescent shaped wounds in the palm of your hand, from making this joke free. Yet now looking at joke about this now, you can't and the reason why we should probably go hidden, specify why, because we don't want to give everyone, the impression that we find transsexual is emerging

reassignment funny right, that's the point. The point is what we ve learned from this research is that more than just transsexuals have a stake in gender reassignment like we could conceivably tick off like eighty different special interest groups. We have this one. With the odd castor, it's almost precarious, podcast, yeah and Michael point. As we did joke about everything aside, we find this funny retweet. We kid about everything. We can't kid about this. We can't because people get so upset if we make jokes about this matter, but I will lead with a jerk If I get I went and type and transsexual into Google causes of China was lookin, something up specifically. I can't remember what I mean how they have images that pop up the first committee that I saw was of a woman and a bikini, and someone had photo shot down, not his head onto the body that like the first Google image for Transsexual Weird was a bad ill.

Martin, vain, Austrian photoshopped, not son of the king S, my only joke you ready. I wonder, then Austrians can pretty much reuse, some other Photoshop images that is already centres for this one near probably he's put her head amounts if he nobody's p s most recently relative that's right so Chuck have you heard about a man? by the name of Scott. More Scott, more is tease a hefty guy k I hear is born, sycamore, ok and by age eleven Jessica. Now Scott was pretty sure that she was supposed to be a man right and basically get short changed by being born sure Scott went ahead and head gender reassignment surgery, bite.

Go the whole nine yards and is now the world's second pregnant man. You wanna see. Turkey actually just looks like he's been drinking way too much beer lately, yeah he's either so clearly, that guy, but he's living it he's living as a gay man. He but he's a pregnant man and is the world's second. As far as I know that the only other pregnant man is gaining Scott Beady Yahoo in who doesn't. It became the world's fourth pregnant man under pretty much the same circumstances. Scott was born, a woman became And didn't undergo all of the surgical procedures which will get into later and was capable of having a baby a pregnant baby, Riyadh pregnant with a baby. I'm glad you clarified that because I think we misspoke, we just brought him up in a previous pie cast off the top of it I don't think we said the right thing. So was a cannibal run except joke number. Do yeah

lungs were not joking about the disorder than I think we're fine right. I'm scared so Chuck. Let's talk about exactly what people like Jessica, who became Scott and Scott, and I don't know what the other Scots first name was right or regionally Ascot babies get is. This could be more confused that less little quandary or thing? How do you? How do you get to that point? Why do you get to that point and dumb? What are some of the paths that they took in didn't take, and why is gender reassignment surgery? Ok, ok, we'll transsexual! Isn't we should begin there? It is classified as a gender identity, disorder, and actually look. There's a lot of people will have a problem with that: its classification as a disorder, even

I had a problem with any right off the bat because base a mental disorders yeah. It's it's classified in two different diagnostic manual here as a mental disorder as being fought, though yeah right now, the battle is is going. I saw the England and France of both declared it not a mental disorder, the declared war exactly and critics say that there's no there's no evidence snares, no scientific consensus or evidence that says that points to the brain and something being wrong right. So one of the reasons why it's still classified as the. Until this order is because our understanding of gender is really we have idea whether it's it's a socially condition as the radical feminist lobby right wing V Ger or whether its natural, which is basically inadvertently, supported by the the existence of transsexuals right. There saying I I'm not

Really. I was a biologically born man, but I've a woman in its not social. I've been like this all my life. I should have been a girl right. So there's a that's. That's just two groups that that kind of, but heads over this what what gender it just to judge, I have many right probably, but has also the field. Psychology has a lot to lose and in this one, because they ve been handling transsexual is death. They that's, they stick their claim on it decades ago analysed now, like you said, there's a lot of debate over whether it is a mental disorder. Yes and who knows where that's gonna end up in the future but transsexuals on, we should go ahead and define us because we'd never define roller derby. We had some a foreign fans that road and and said you know, that's all great, but we don't even know me: said what it was like twenty minutes, while we're doing a Pakistan hot dogs, disfigure people now rather dubious sport. By the way we do it.

I guess than hot dogs, transsexual ism is when you were born and you are dissatisfied with your sexual identity or gender role or your bodily characteristic. So I give Europe a boy, but you feel like a girl. You don't want to look down and subpoenas every day and when you do it, it's going to have a detrimental effect. In your life, yeah led very confusing, sure and it's not necessarily even confusing, but at the very least irritating? Oh yeah yeah Anna Scott, both look at and you often hear the term trapped in a woman's body are trapped in a man's body, and I think that's probably how they generally socio I have a couple of stature to the seem a little more frequently, apparently one in every twenty five hundred. U S. Citizens has undergone mail to female ginger reassignment surgery, there's a lot

you're, a big concert like a big stadium, show like fifty thousand people, their potentially twenty people, their history sentiment show but twenty or who have undergone mail. The females reassignment surgery. Now the teams- I it seems high- it does seem height, but this that's. The University of Michigan that and we are half way that one link I sent you here was universe. You Michigan, they have a if not poorly, presented very comprehensive site on Transsexual ism, interesting and one in eleven hundred one in almost thousand males, and why in about thirty thousand females are transsexual adults, and I more like full on all the way dine with surgery is gone step by step through the proper this, whereas that University of Michigan Estimate was there there? They ve had some sort of. Where'd you go and enhancement there

no way more men than women like almost three times as many so there's something to that, and when we are talking about Jessica, becoming Scott Bright, yes, so Jessica becoming Scott girl to Guy is trains, man, yes and then going from male to female, is a male identifying with female gender. Is trans woman? Yes, so changed manner. Changed woman reflects what you I dunno. I was not what you're born with by logically right- and this has been around probably as long as there have been people, but it has just been I a popular, but in the public eye It's so hot had been in the public eye since about the nineteen fiftys, when a woman a woman named Christine Jorgensen had to go to dinner. Because they didn't do the surgery in the state. Still one sixty six to get her

gender reassignment surgery and she pioneer along with Doktor Harry Benjamin, who was the physician who first coin that term, and he did a lot of work is done stay foundation. That today is known as the World Professional Association for Transgender Health and re establish standards of care, and basically they are the place to go. If Europe, a doctor of Europe, a person whose views for support so that Christine Jorgensen couldn't have had her operation, because I had it in four harried. Benjamin probably so I read that ain't, a guy who was an influence on him. His name was Doktor Magnus Hirschfeld.

He was an early early proponent of homosexual rights are really huge in the twenties while he was also a psychiatrist and he influenced Doktor Benjamin, as did Alfred Kinsey, the sex researcher, the sex all just relax accusing her. So these two men were friends of Harry Benjamin's in a kind of their idea, and theories and research combined into Harry Benjamin who now came like this pioneer in the field of train sexual ism, a basically took it out of like the them freak, show status that it had right and as with most things as a college, is help with, especially in the middle of the twentieth century, and brought it into a treatment and of view, and in the weird thing, is what we ve come up with as treatment,

transsexual ISM is gender reassignment surgery, yes, and that unusual among dear what will be considered mental illnesses. I would say so that that step five actually in a five step process that begins long before the scalpel hits the the body parts. Let's say the first thing is diagnostic assessment will get into these in detail, but I wish list them here. Psychotherapy What's called the real life experience, that's my favorite mine to a hormone therapy and then, finally, if you make it through all the steps in surgery right, if you what you want to, you, don't have to get the surgery and you better have some dough to depending on where you get it yeah I was it costs thirty grand more. I depends according to article which source the simplest good gate. Newspaper

its thirty seven grand to go Trans man, male female, the main element, and then now, I'm sorry it seventy seven grand to go from a female to a male and the penis is the price pusher. Apparently, if you want a really good surgically constructed penis right, you better be rich. I would think so because I guess it's an affordable, functional, sensitized, surgically constructed penises is kind joke, apparently among the transsexual community, a joke. Isn't it's really hard to come by unattainable, unattainable unless you're, rich and even if you're rich? I have a feeling that it's not the easiest thing defined, there's, probably one guy out there, who knows exactly how to do it is the magic touch makes like five minutes. Box of prison. They also recommend oil recommend, but they say if you gotta other countries like Thailand, you can pay as little as eight or nine thousand dollars.

Yes, but I don't know about you, my friend. This is pretty important surgery. If I was choosing to become a woman yeah, I would not go to Thailand to do it think well, if you ought to know your servant mail to female its thirty seven grain and I have the impression that it's an easier procedure, public has any initiative for Chapman off the bits. Actually, that is not true in check, and I know it stop. Going right now comments. We went through some we on the University of Michigan site. There were illustrations of how to basically trains perform Tran Man, no trains, woman surgery, sure removing the penis, etc, etc. Creating the vagina or quite aware, it's not just chopping off the now. It's pretty amazing actually is shock Josh. So you

talk about diagnosing this as mental illness and if you're in the United States- and I take It- also is your in Europe as well, but you have to go in to see a shrink and say I'm transsexual. Let's get the mental health aspect out of the way, so I can keep going you can't say dig. To sign it for surgery. Next week, I must go to Thailand. Fuck me. I know you have eight or nine thousand dollars a year in order to get diagnosis. That there's a couple of component. You have to be yet have the desire live and be accepted as a nother sex, and you have to the desire to actually transform your body through their hormone therapy in surgery right in their because there's different types of Gender Association disorders, which I make it air quotes every time and saying disorders bother and mental illness, but transsexual ism falls under the larger umbrella of gender identity disorder right. Yes, ok and transsexuals

is like the money, gender identity disorder yet like. If you are transsexual, you dont want to be in this that this, biologically born body any longer right. You want your your contain. We want your sex organs change right. You want to live as a as a member of the opposite sex. You probably want to marry somebody who's solve your same in biological SEC right in you, you're willing to go through the steps for that. There's. Also: dual role: transgressed, ism yeah witches. That's when you don't wanna, have the surgery at all corral, but you identify with both possibly rise havoc. Ed wood I took it is ok, transverse, statism or transvestite ism is from what I understand cross dressing. Sure it's urged that the symptom of it

And yet you, like, I dont, believe at whatever wanted to be a woman he disliked wearing women's clothes, were publicly. I had nothing to homosexuality right right, but again it's like you abnormal, because you like Angora so right. This is a mental illness. Number two you're, not transsexual, but you are a transvestite that I can go to. There's also general. Identity disorder of childhood, who doesn't check. That's where you like to play with dolls rather than talk trucks right nature nurture yes, and then that one may clear up eventually. What do you mean like? I think that that, since its of China could I was another diagnosis according to the DSM for that? gender identity disorder of adulthood. Now, I'm sorry, that's in the international classification of diseases. Ten, the there is,

gender identity, disorder in childhood and then add and adulthood, so If you're William, wants a doll, they say you might grow out of it and I venture we want to play football because guys can play with dolls my or William, I really want to be Sally, but if you take him in as a kid he's going to get diagnosis, gender identity childhood right. If he stays in therapy or is treated whatever into adolescents in adulthood. That diagnosis would change or if he went back later on as an adult, he would be re diagnosed as that there's a lot of diagnosis. In What I gather from this article is so it has to go into getting this time. They really really really want to make sure that you are sure that this is something you want to do, but you gotta jump to a lotta hoops. It's not like mommy need again go in there and I can get my belly fat removed tomorrow. If I wanted to

sure they don't, as you were right now, let's do tat, but I don't know any other kind of like plastic surgery. You can just go in and get anything you want done, but this you have to jump to groups, for you definitely do It may be for good reason, because there are many reasons also live in real quick. Let's about the there's, also other agenda Andy disorders, which is like that an unspecified images I really don't know. This is a lot of times that their their associated with intersects conditions like ambiguous, genitalia, yes Like the old rumour about genially Curtis, I'm glad you brought because her father died. Yesterday are Ip Tony heard as now we're that we would do this, but that the generally Curtis thing I should mention is not confirmed, has always been a rumour and resist all his legs. A thinks is because she's never commented on it publicly and said now. This is not true she's. Just when we cannot stand by business for her, that's what I say you go girl. That's I say to you

Chuck. Apparently, ambiguous genitalia is a very, very rare disorder and I was reading up on it on male clinics website the most trusted leader in health, the most regular consumer must voracious consumer white lab cuts, the air the lack of its future growth, and they were saying that most surgeons like to talk the family out of gender assignment surgery, sexual abuse, sexual assignment surgery, actually is what I found its called social reassignments urgent, what it when they are born with ambiguous genitally anytime. Technically this article on our site should be called. Oh reassignment, ok, most of the most of the sources I ran up on worse was call it. Sexual reassignment surgery, but they must surgeons when a child comes out with ambiguous genitalia. The surgeons like me to wait for the kid deceived at work itself out

more like you. We want the kid his luck and decide whether he or she wants to be a boy or a girl catch him that we should leave it up to the kid it that's if it. Lay down the middle in some cases, apparently and enlarge Clytius, can look awful out like a penis yeah in that can be the result of the hormone imbalance. Seville does give you hormones in the clearest, goes, shrinks, cracked and then, with a lot of times. Also the internals reproductive organs dictate what the external genitalia should be. That makes it right, but if it's really up in the air the this, the physician apparently likes to wait until the kid can say something that makes for a rough adolescence. I bet, but is probably the right thing to do: yeah yeah, that's a tough one hour Josh! So your diagnosed, you are you you ve gone through

the psychiatric evaluation, your clinically diagnosed, and now there are three phases: hormone therapy, your real life experience in surgery. And it doesn't always happen in that order, because every person's journey to their ultimate gender destination is different and you get it tailored for your own path that you wanna take, so you don't always have bottom surgery, they call it. Sometimes you to set top surgery. What they do not call it that day. That's some the common language, did it absolutely here is because jazz bono says that she had top surgery and she says they're gonna talk about whether or not a head bottom surgery. That's my business, and also these things, don't always in that specific order. So let's say you are a female transit. To a mail. You may undergoes undergo hormone therapy

go ahead and have the top surgery for your real life experience there make that more realistic. I guess Well it in you have the hormone therapy. After I mean it, it just happens. You can you can do what you want to give a sickly by. That makes a lot of sense, because the real life experience is you immersing yourself, pre operation, your pre up, transsexual. And you're living for a year. I believe, as a man, of the opposite: sex ass, the real life experience. Yes, yes, but the point is you finding out if you can stand being read it as a woman or a man. If you are comfortable with it fit right. It really is the way you're supposed to be here. If, like there was something else going on they, they that's what you thought, but you ve found out before was to lay a catastrophe

Exactly right is a one year long. So you would think that if a woman is going to try to live as a man, is the Trans Man Pre Operative, transsexual right arm? You would want to remove the breasts, which is a pretty standard procedure And you would want to do that before your immerse yourself in real life experience or else are gonna, be like yeah full in any way with their expand, the answer before you can not do this, then you need to have a on before he can begin hormone therapy or surgery. Have to actually get a letter of recommendation from your physician andor, psychiatrist or psychologist, or go to Thailand or kind of Thailand, and they are also a few other criteria. We have to be eighteen, you can't get this done ass, a teenager right, I'm sorry, pre, eighteen year old, teenager

You have to understand a full understanding about hormones and what they can do medically, where they cannot do medically, probably more important and what the benefits and risks are You have to have a minimum of three months of psychotherapy, a minimum A three months of life experience, real life experience be show stable or improve. Mental health is interesting and you have to demonstrate you can take hormones responsibly. Is that this no light matter now? the Czech, let's say you, you go ahead and meet all the criteria have undergone your psychotherapy.

You have a letter recommendation from Doktor Egbert, Norbert Right, saying this man should be a woman. I write you undergo the hormone therapy and there's there's a lot of stuff. You should expect check right, there's some stuff you're going to be expecting then there's some unexpected side effects, depending on which we are going and by the way, hormones. If you're. If your trans man, you're going to be given an Virginia like testosterone? Things like that, and if your trans woman, You're gonna be given estrogen, and these also be synthesized from animals. Yes, there is a huge break break through Gender reassignment, the process in writing,

forty one when something called programme, which is a synthetic hormone that synthesized from estrogen of pregnant mares repugnant horses, hit the market and also knows like holy cow. This changes everything I think that's when hormone therapy was really introduced. As around that time, you think some steroids serve from animals to sash. That makes sense. But if you do do do you know some of the side effects yet, while you just want to add, you might also be taking progesterone or test run blockers. If you are a female trying to become a male and you can take it orally injected or transnational. Yes, so those who your options but yeah Josh. If your mail you're undergoing hormone treatment, new getting your injections, you can expect as expected breasts, growth decrease embody here.

They're going to redistribute your body fat in two different places, decrease fertility, you're testicles will shrink and you will get less frequent and less firm erections, which is a key. If you want to be women, sure they probably didn't want him in the first place right about good news as if you about half way through, you know what I really like this. Actually most of these changes, irreversible. If you stop stop taken the hormones exactly and it will go back to normal in most cases and those are the positive effects that you want to happen. Well, that's what your expecting there's some side effects that you wouldn't want. For example, a blood clots weight gain and not just wait reduced Lucian, but weight gain as Chaz bono has undergone anxious harder, liver, these and he should say he hears you want.

Learn certain remained sexual by regular gender. They identify right here. Surgery in two thousand nine late last year in Chad, is officially a man now. So I apologise, Sir Joshua. Your female undergoing hormone treatment. What're, you gonna, get you gonna, give facial here, buddy it's one thing: you're gonna get testes gonads, maybe you're going to your clear will be enlarged. Yes,. You are going to have a deeper voice. Yes, and you're going to have a lot more body here. Invite here's, what you gonna go bald, Male pattern. Baldness begins that that to me is just natures, cruellest, joke best nature, schools choked me period with men, his leg, ass, a big problem, a short while you're here moving only your backing, particularly rotten, it's kind of like you're reproductive years are over. Well, you better

unfair that you're saying I hear you want your transsexual. You want to become a man like this is what being a man is: you're gonna, go bald and now you're gonna start shaving ahead the nature just smacking on the bottom, with the towel in the locker room, Being a man is just one of the guys that It has a negative effects to, though like infertility, acne, increased risk for heart attack, also welcome to being a man and increase potential for liver, tumors and use. You noticed that in both with hormones in both directions, there is the risk of infertility. So there's a lot of talk about ensuring that transsexuals, no ahead of time, pre surgery, pre hormonal therapy

that they need to bank there Sperm Bank, their eggs yeah just in case there happy living is remember the onset, yet they want to reproduce using their own gene and prior to two thousand eight, when Scott Beady got pregnant. This really wasn't much of an issue that the infertility just impossible right arm to have a kid in utero postal right right now, it's now it's it's! This is something else that has to be discussed and explored. The surgery, but before you take hormones in future and secular you're, considering undergoing gender reassignment you'd, better banker, your junk at night, you chat. Thank you, genetic junk racket. I suggest we been calling this gender reassignment surgery. We should be calling it ginger,

climate surgeries for very good reason, because it's not a single procedure at all and you can have Debenham even get the full works. If you want where you can get to see me now, you can tailored to you expectations, but potentially you get a lot of surgery yet, and I guess some chuck. We should probably say here that if Europe squeamish type, if you couldn't handle the cremation pie, you should probably go ahead and stop listening now, maybe fast forward a few minutes. It's my favorite thing when you encourage people to stop listening to apply. I know encouraging invader even begin listening and diversity of warning Chuck. Yes, if you wanna go, if you're Trans woman met male or female, yes, you are going to undergo a number of surgeries like you said, including, let's start off at the or yet to me. What is it not react to me? Is the removal of the testicles

but the penis in this remain or Corky act me by the way. Oh there might be an origami, that's different. What is it or key after me or key activate? Yes, sir, is removing your work, which is your testicles, but the peasants got him remain until the pin active me yeah. That was pretty self explanatory amputation of the pit. Yes, but next welders above we should probably say as a rule, when you're talking about surgeries and act to me is the removal of the amputation random. Think me, a plastic at the suffix plastic indicates that something is being wrong shaped Remould. They write or modified in a way that doesn't include amputation. Rhino plastic, for instance, as everyone knows, is a nose tat. Yes, is the shape their yes, even They may remove. Parts of the nose is still a reshaping of their net. Taking your whole knows,

that would be a rhino act to me. I guess- and I guess it would that's probably not reconsider- suggestion to mention plastic. We should mention male or female patients may get vagina plastic, which is the place. The vagina chloroplast me, the plastic quarters and lady a plastic. Yes, there are pretty self explanatory, but I think this probably goes ordered removing the testicles first and that's gonna. That's gonna do more than a hormone supplements are going to do by themselves because you know you're testicles or your little hormone. Energy producing buddies and you take them out in the hormone really kind of kick it. Then your move, the penis and then you start the rebuilding right again on the University of Michigan website were illustrations, and apparently there's this guy, and until you, this there's a doctor who

made single handedly made a little town called Trinidad Colorado. One of the capitals of sex change operations really has a. He started during sex age operation, but he was. He was like the town surgeon, so I did everything but somebody came down in nineteen. Sixty nine and said: can you help me out the guy corresponded with like two other donors who are doing it could remember, we just started in the. U S and sixty six year is a sixty nine. So he started corresponding with a physician in New York and then call Johns Hopkins Polly wrote them letter and said: do you have any info unless they sent him in illustrated step by step procedure of how to do this? So he took a draw for cigarettes and, like can do that yeah. That's exactly right! Any actually kept secret at first, because it was a catholic Hospital and he didn't want and the nuns

and then eventually did in so this community became like the one of the capitals and sections operation, healthcare industry while and that town is now called gender reassignment Colorado. Other guy died in two thousand six, but he was still in its two thousand article I ran across who still down and take out for these pioneers that in the nineteen twenties and fortys and Sixtys did things that were what I think very brave. Give anytime, especially make it be ostracised could be fired. So what will get into that? But that still happens Well yeah so check. If you want to go from a woman to man, trains man will hold on there's a few more male females. Oh ok, so does justice to really take care things if you want to go over and above You can have anything from facial bone reconstruction like correct,

we can turn like a spaniard what it, how did you say, rican touring, the controlling or tracheal shaven? Only thing I can think that might be would be. Maybe your Adams apple does exactly what it is. I was on fire I conjure. Plastic is also called the tracheal shave and that is getting rid of your items fall. Might be, would be maybe you're. Adams apple does exactly what it is I was thyroid. Condor plasticity is also called the tracheal shave and that is getting rid of your items. All that's a debt giveaway! Oh my god. It's like just imagine real, quick sticking, a bamboo shoot under your fingernails pulling up.

How that's what happens to me when I think about shaving off part of my animals apple? Really, I don't have a prominent Adams, Ethel the narrow, my buddy Scotty Boy, his dislike, you got a golf ball donor yeah, but would like? Don't you see guys like that in think how you not bump into things that thing like doesn't hurt like this can act there is very vulnerable and don't want anything to hit my animals apple. Third, isn't very prominent! Is it cried chop manner? Maybe I am filled with fire and then you can also have vocal cord surgery or voice training to bring it down a little bit here because we said with the hormones. If you start taking an regions in Europe, transform Trans Man the hormones are gonna lower your voice, but if you're trans woman you're gonna have to do something about your voices, the hormones probably aren't going to raise it right. So female the man must go there

Let's go there Chuck, so you need to have my favorite. The cell ping go off corrective me, which is the removal of the slovakian tube and in ovary. Apparently, you don't need to remove both. Have erected me, of course, which is the removal of the uterus, vagina let me move of the vagina here and then you have also to place these, which seizing guess what these grotto placed is that I know it had hits the fellow plastic yeah. That's pretty obvious. Again, that's the price! right and then you will probably have noodles installed testicular prosthetics a hold on Syria, the scourge on the plead, the penis, creation of a neo, phallus dimension that that's the fellow plastic. Ok and interestingly, sometimes the the clitoris we'll be, will be turned into the head of the penis, the neo phallus. Yes

bill. Basically just take other parts. I don't know exactly with the rest of the penis would be constructed of, but the that the head of the penises is often the clearest. I want your saying the other way round to so. Here's the deal academy, Breakin, uneasily Sometimes the head of the penis will be used as the clearest sometimes There will be a NEO values with the clearest at the end of that I took actually that's a toy deal plastic majority. A plan is twenty opacity right, which is basically the clearest is enlarged, chemically right and then its cut off and that's the head of the penis. Now, ok, so the goal here with both that and when they obviously they're using the Qatar us in that headed the penises they're, trying to give you sensitivity in your sexual organ right posts,

yet as the goal of keeping all these parts. Instead of just going complete plastic surgery and making fake things like parts they want you to be, it will have a successful sex life after your operation. That's that's a big part of it. There's a lot of study will not a lot that I'm sure that it's been called for for more, but there's been studies of regret among post operative sexual reassignment. Patients and one of the things that they found is a big factor is the quality of the presence and quality of a partner in the presence and quality of satisfying sex life afterward. I would say that a huge factor sure I didn't trust the staff for some reason maybe he's got. It was from ninety ninety two in the article that said that less than one percent of female them else say they regretted it in one to one point five percent of male or female, so they regretted it out enough. It's so long ago. Do you trust them

Ah, I e say was driven out in various other is one that was written in two thousand and six and I didn't see any stats, but I did get the impression that it pretty low, but the two there's really two factors are there's two standards that the what is the World W path who, by the way, chalk, will have just wrapped up this time next year and as an eleven, thereby any all symposium in Atlanta toward a relic? How we should go and we tolerate, but w path, their standards of care says basically like if they how, if you have deep, irreversible regret, where your openly saying I want to,

go back. You can't go back again. He you can't there's a BBC documentary on a guy who whose family left them realise when under is a millionaire and he went on. He went from his Trans woman and the document is about how he wants to become a man again catch the eye. The two measures of failure or when you shouldn't have gotten the generous I'm at surgery, is deep, regret and suicide, but I did get the impression. It is fairly uncommon, yeah! Well, did you remember what we re talking yea? I think it's probably in common because of all the hopes and the length of time it takes to really complete this thing right, which is like I said. Good thing. They really really want to make sure that your positive that this sum you wanna do so. Let's say that you have undergone it. You here for your happy with the result. You dont express regret

and you're living a new life for some, the things that you are going to be facing as a Trans manner, Trans woman, whose head top and bottom surgery is put but you're going to be facing bigotry. Hatred, you my things. Answer you might get beat up, you might get fired. You might be you can get married. So that's a good thing, but a lot of me, no bad things are gonna, come your way from a lot of people and there's not a lot. Protection. Now under the law for transsexuals, they don't fall into hate crime bill And as a matter of fact, its seat, the structures draconian in most states to undergo a sections change operation legally, You have to put a local Elinor notice in the local paper and illegal organ yeah. Is that sort of thing

I think so. Do you remember the case of Vanity Beth Glenn in Georgia? Yeah recently she was. She worked for two years in the General Assembly's Office of Legislative Council as an editor in proof, reader of bill language, and it right here in Georgia and she was fired when she hold her boss. You know I I want to. A female now and I want you to refer to me is a female in this. I'm gonna undergo the surgery, and this one I do he fired her and she just want a lawsuit this year. Good for her. That's tough to, though, because there is now a lot of again discrimination, anti discrimination protection yeah, including in though the workplace. Basically, they re all the proof that this is the reason that I was fired, one of their famous cases besides Jasmine Edina, did you hear about one babies

daughter. This is alleged what worn baby and any buildings oldest kid Kathleen is ten years old and allegedly has been living as a man for the past two years as Stephen IRA and wants to have gender reassignment surgery. Now that she is eighteen and dumb patiently- and this is all a legit- as of this week. This certain come out patently and have been, is trying to be supportive and warmed. Eighty seven some problems with it. What is wrong with their generation well, I didn't say that he was being a big jerk about it. They decide that he's kind of struggling with it. So you know maybe he'll struggle through it and come out the other side and everything

remember this added I live on. Add four homo cell is like an antidepressant for parents whose kids are gay early in their like, because it's your problem, not theirs. That was like the the slogan for it is awesome. Actually have you received the t shirts on Saint Patrick Stay, mom, dad I'm game and her pretty funny is one ass. I should mention too, that my brother, when he led them ass Angelus, his super underwent generous, I'm wizardry. While he went from Calvin to risk over Christmas Scott left to come home, cabin was a man I think was from Thailand and he came back and he was met with Russia. Very lovely,

well as a super that was good with a rich. Ah, Sir Chuck, I dont know anybody whose undergone Jonah reassignment surgery, but I am glad that I know more about this now. Yeah me too, I'm interested to see in twenty years how the mental health industry, what what kind of claim it still has on enter its doing help it along whatever, because its clearly facilitating this process. But again, I don't think it's a mental illness, so I think, probably most transsexual, don't think that they are mentally ill. Where we have, I know for a fact. We have some transsexual listeners because they have written in before, and so I hope we did a good job with a Sunday were appropriately respectful and all that stuff. Let us now for a couple of lunkheads who, like the jug around about everything and if you're not transsexual, and he got a problem with it, don't be it you just don't jerk me tomorrow, since we said the

a jerk. That means I should probably pitches article two you gender reassignment. You can find it by typing gender reassignment. Actually just take gender in the search bar has the force that can we have a lot of cool articles on including how fluid is gender? in article I wrote a long time ago about why Blue is for boys and pink is for girls made up and up of other stuff, including gender reassignment. You take that it has the forts dot com, which MRS Listener male time right up. What I call on the first, the still of luggage- yes, you big sports guy. I am you my friend, I know where you can get a sign Tom Gladwin Facebook Wall, yeah yeah member reference code. Yeah, they are having beer fall, Fiesta Atr in Atlanta, so if you're in it

or the South Eastern United States, you gonna wanna, be in town. I knocked over twenty first, which is what is the thirty. I believe that is a Thursday. It's the metropolitan club. For anyone who is familiar with Atlanta knows that it spread far and wide. Yes, in a hundred million miles in direction and operators in part of that right, going gonna, be them at the metropolitan club, inoperative from seven to ten p dot m on October. Twenty right right so tell people about what's goin on, will Josh twenty bucks to get in. That, of course, goes to go ahead and it also gets you food and wine and beer. It gives you a chance to meet and hang out with Jerry Jerry Jerry's envy their total and we would be there have already been town. Yes, we are going to be and we are low that we're not going to be there that's right arm. But if you want me Jerry in the flesh, she'll be there in the flesh

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revert back to the school who can then by or which can then by new textbooks. So is the self sustaining system in check and I put a good housekeeping stamp of approval all over it. The train So they go for the estate of October, twenty first metropolitan club, it at Africa, seven attempts and others a link on the colored website Whence W W W that c, o YE d, you see all right. Yes, so what's he too? I haven't email from Nick Nick. Has this to say, hey guys had just returned from IRAN. Listen to your biosphere! Us theology pie cats, in which Josh said the word wash in one of our tangents Solana. You said worse, and I asked you about it regardless it's in there somewhere, I grew up in Washington, Pennsylvania, small growing coal town in the western side of Pittsburgh. I'm sorry south of Pittsburgh.

In that area. The whole tri state area, in fact of Pennsylvania, Western Virginia or West Virginia in Ohio they regularly used wash in reference to washing hands or their cars. Did you know that that was an area thing there? They say wars there. I didn't know that that I know through regional for sure I did know that region. The best part is in my particular situation. Being from Washington. I always or to pronounce Washington. I do not speak with that particular piece of work killer is my mother would have sooner cut up. My tongue then hear me say that, but I would like to offer a few more unique pieces of vernacular from that area. Read up, given that I need you to read up the table. I guess that means get like set the table ready or

move. One of the four legs are actually here. He says the definition is. The definition is a synonym of clean or clear off like red up your room, Babushka that is kerchief worn by polish women in the northeast. That's what he says. A piece of cloth, tighter, I'm ahead somewhere to a direct and by some arming exactly like genes. Why? I envy you? Were there come inside the Portuguese already ready, I guess, similar to Ya'Ll in the south and finally there is no plural to the word mile. Emily stances I gotta go by eighty miles off the road. The road ate it yet her dead from the area right. Yet for my letter, guys remember that Washington, Pennsylvania's the town, the changes name officially to Steelers Pennsylvania before the two thousand five superbowl.

I, however, live in southeastern Virginia now, but I do work all my roots. Thank you. Nick, a lucky for Washington Pennsylvania that name change wasn't irreversible as a lot of gender reassignment surgery is so great? If you are a transsexual and you have undergone surgery or considering it? We want to hear from you even to say, hi, then it's an email to stuff podcast. How stuff works that come the more on this and thousands of other topics how works out com

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