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autumn of nor containing autumn of, nor does it get out and dialogue. I give royalties from anything when you said. I think that we should in title this passport stolen, go to sleep now. I know this is one of the ones it gets chalked up the calm of well, we got explain everything there. It's ok! I don't wanna talk down before we start, but it's not scintillating course was to be enticing people with it, but actually candidates. Now think this files, under like informational, helpful informational pot, guess they We're not gonna blow your mind with, like the coolest stories on earth, that you're gonna know how to get it back. For me, his sure. Basically, they learn the United States. Are, I always serve the name. Chuckie knows that there is a great debate over what passport. The word comes from area.

Yeah I'd depends on whether you are british or francophile. Ok in British, it means quite literally what it sounds like its passage. It allows passage through a port like where a ship docks right. You come in, say here my papers. This is a passport. Let me pass if your french port Pure T means a gate or door, so you would be allowed passage through, like the gates of a city. Ok, never never been settled. No one knows exactly which ones correct, but it's probably one of those two that the word comes from. It's never been several because it could argue about it. Yet we could do without it doesn't matter who cares, but it does underscore the fact that passports are quite old, actually yeah. You I dug up this article from the guardian, a brief history, the passport which are those kind of interesting, the back, even in difficult times. They had things that were like passports, that was eating column passports.

But in the book of near Maya, very underrated the gray that everyone hurt. You yeah, of course, is to have a more memorize. He had the book of Nehemiah, none at all the books of the Bible memorized. I can still SAM up through a certain point, nice and then I just forget- and start shaking if New Meyer involve included in what you can remember, now, get that they could go through like judges, and then I forget, you alphabetically noticed in order. I can start rolling him an afterthought, carry out other. We need to carefully In the immediate, there was a profit working as the World CUP bearer and basically we had to travel to Judah and said I need some help king, so I dont get Agus droning quartered, which they prodded uneven due back then so

I get safe passage in that was sore. The earliest idea of a government sort of agency, saying please allow this person to pass into your down no molest star, no molester, don't touch his gang women alone. He's got my protection I'll, bring the full force. A kingdom down upon you, that's right. This actually ties in with our episode and diplomatic immunity that it's basically the same thing, but this this idea of getting some sort of protection to travel abroad. It's pretty old in early, medieval and then up until late, medieval Europe. There is this idea that people should have a freedom of movement growing King John same guy from the Magna Carta. He was the first to at least in Europe to ensure

the idea of freedom of movement, that you should be able to leave your homeland go somewhere for business or pleasure whatever and then come back to your homeland without any real problems to try and be a big deal, you shouldn't be trapping domain. You should be excluded from your domain. You should be able to move back and forth. Since then it's been considered something of a universal human right, this freedom of movement, you think so, and it will in fact in the union's universal Declaration of Human rights and came after world war. Two. Its enshrined in there is well freedom of movement, pretty need. It is pretty name, but part of that is the idea that you have some sort of papers. That says this is a citizen of our country. Please give them yet you know please treat them well and in fact, well about that, but we found to come and go further. In fact, in our own, U S passport, still something alot of people really don't read their therein lies the import.

Statement that says that still like you know that please allow the citizen or anything so please. This is normal, a star doesnt. Unless our group three important in a jolly Old England. I thought this is pretty interesting from the seller, in any form on the office of the Secretary of state took over passport issuance and on the home office right says Office of Secretary of State. I think that the home office- and they have every passports in seventeen. Eighty four stolen record near- is pretty awesome, yeah or frightening. The bangemann where you're coming from I saw another thing about british passports. The photos have evolved over time like that used to be the. They were just look at this picture. You're in the photo sure like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle has a photo of himself with his family and their dog on his old passport eyes overtime. Those we'll see

there is definitely strict regulations about what you can't can't use for your passport, further yeah and also in England. They use to british passport Tad descriptions is well, so a lot of people didn't like this. It would have things like in a big knows prominent eight head beady eyes these ethical and eventually we should this. Let your photo do the talking break so about the eighteen sixties. Europe said you know I take what this does is a pain we do want to check. Everybody's papers was just do away with passports, and they were fine with that. America went the exact up that way up until about the civil war. It was pretty easy to come and go into the United States without any kind of papers whatsoever here. But then, apparently, because I'm worried about. Well, they wanted to keep track of. Who is coming into America and who is going yeah and that's a real

good way to do. It is any red slaves right is to require documentation for that kind of international travel, so America's started its passport required. Three men, then. Finally, when war war, one came, everybody started using passports here that that seem like the point where the whole world said. You know it literally keep track of this year and they used to be pretty cumbersome. I think that the noted states passport, was like an eleven by eighteen inch document. Yeah, that's a biggie. Yet this was taken from a book that you found called the passport in America by Craig Robertson, and this dude really did his homework. And there was even a direct quote from somebody in the nineteenth century. They said no pocket of any sex would tolerate them. No, there are just two big, like those the Yelp review affect, has, unfortunately, right exactly a game that is my bucket. Nobody could so in nineteen twenty six came round. The United States

dropped down to about the stated three by five net became the trend around the world and their shirt. Everything interesting about passports is determined the lesson true. I love it. England called there's an old blue for a long time yet, apparently is very beloved. Didn't then they moved over to burgundy owners and can old version. I guess it's fine. I shall we take a break your. Why not take a break and will get back to scintillating details of passports, ok, here's the thing save money with Geico was almost better than playing pick up basketball, because there's always that guy who joined your game he never passes the rock he constantly bricks theories and who completely.

You and then put his hands up and say no foul, no foul with Geico. It's easy to switch. Save on car insurance, known The vacant ankle sprain because you're absolutely exhausted so which in save with Geiger it's almost better than some It's alright, we're back with passports, welcome back the passport, Doc We should do a whole theory. So in the U S, if you are issued your issued a passport from a number of places, the State Department, State Department issues some well, the cigarette is routed through their future right. You can apply different places, yes to the twenty cent. Passport agencies now yeah and all fifty states, but you don't have to go to a passport agency.

No, you don't like the one. We stop as really quickly learn something about a week wicker its hands. There we'll talk about we'll get outta here, but yeah you most people just go to the post office in the post office. You can go to a core there are other authorities around. If you look up the even apply for your passport, you can apply at home. I printed out yourself with the form the stroke eleven. I think that is it that's the one Oh yeah, you ain't, you can printed out at home, but the thing is: is you're gonna need to. If it we should say, there's really too big circumstances that will change all the stuff. If this is your first past for you can printer home all day long you're gonna have to go somewhere to show up in person to apply that right. They wanted.

They wanted to verify you are who you are and smell you? Yes, they wanted in taking use your sent her and so your first passport, you have to jump through little, better hoops. We should say. However, this is not difficult stuff now and there is really no excuse whatsoever. Few did not have a passport now, it's, I think when you reach a certain age and it's gonna have just in case it is good for ten years, if you're over eight, right. Sixteen, I think of the sixteen here. I think the right well ten years is a long time sure and we'll get into trying to get at one quick like, but you can save you of a lot of money and a lot of trouble. Analyze stress if you just say again, go and get my password has ever need to leave the country in a hurry

more fun and cost now is for first time, first timers, it's a hundred and thirty five dollars for an adult yet hundred Pfeiffer child. If you renew your passport, which is little bit of a misnomer because they say you can't renew a passport you can't in that you keep your same passport. Let you get a new one, but if you have a previous passport, you can get it renewed it'll just be a new one, and it's cheaper right. Yes, for the first time you go to apply for a passport you going to fill out. The form what is it? The DS eleven, the stroke, eleven and you're going to take it down there with some proof of identity? And you are going to sign in front of the person at the post officer, the clerk of court wherever yet outside it.

No now and then they're going to take all of your stuff, and then you will get a passport email. After that, you can fill out a totally different form, pay less honey and male you're old passport in they'll. Send you a new one year, along with the old one right which is gonna need, if you like, a keepsake yeah. What I can say is don't care pages out of your passport as keepsakes. Because I know someone who ended up on a watch list by doing that, no way, while a family member actually real yeah just one do like a is especially. Let me get this page big donor. Yeah. Apparently you can be prosecuted mutilating. Your passport gets how they put it so though mail you back your old passport if you just want to hang on and in an of change,

I was doing my travelling abroad in the nineties. I didn't even get stamped in every country, so it's not like. I hadda passport full of amazing memorable stamp thing about half the countries even bothered, stamping right, maybe more strict on it. Now yours could stamps I mean here there the time. Ok, yeah I've never figured out what the deal is why they were wooden stamp. It seems like it literally comes down to like do. I feel like doing this with my here. That is the impression I have as well. But I mean it seems like a serious lack of you know: standardization, maybe sure yeah. I guess he added that there's something with that, I think so. If you want to go abroad, you should do this a few months ahead of time to take all the stretch out of it. Yeah you're gonna get your passport usually takes a couple of weeks, but you to change anything. No! No! I'm just normally

using all the normal channels going to the post office, not paying for any kind of expert service. The state department estimates you should get your passport from the time of your application about forty six, yeah, but it never take so long, but again it shouldn't, but it could it could that's the worst case scenario, which is what they tell you yeah, so Uncle Jack will tell you it'll take a couple of weeks, but again don't risk no there's there is actually a fairly recent history shows us that you be really shouldn't risk it back in two thousand and seven something called the western hemisphere. Travel initiative went into effect they used to be that you could get to Canada and Mexico and parts of the Caribbean with just your birth certificate and maybe a driver's license yeah. That was totally fine that can travel through North America in two thousand

when they said. No. If you are travelling by air, you have to have a passport, even if you're coming from Mexico, Canada. In the U S, every travelling by land or by sea. You need to at least have a passport card which they created, which is about half price yeah. This caused a huge run on passports in two thousand seven and the backlog suddenly went to like a fifteen week. We, yeah, which is a real headache for a lot of people who had waited assuming it was gonna before six weeks and all of a sudden it was fifteen weeks, but a few I've, always in that time. You're in big trouble way, and now the state Department is warning. We're about to get to the tenure, anniversary of that. So, if you're passports coming up, renewal ran. You may want to do it sooner than later, because that same backlog is going to come again right as people have to renew after ten year. So if you're, a chump before don't be a chump twice and be prepared

be a chump again alma. I guess earth run out and do it right now. Little card is first, timers is fifty five for adults and forty four kids, which is alive. Cheaper and if it's in your while- I guess, if you are in the: U S, you like go the Caribbean every now and then or Mexico. That's about it you, but that's just if you're going by land or sea yeah. If you're flying you have to have a passport every single tat. You should say that at least two more times if you're fine, but I have to have a passport. That's three. I think I think we got it across but, like I said no, you know yourself. You know what kind of trouble you like to do if you fail to go on the occasional crews Casey, like it's your little card that sea travel that cover

I don't want anybody getting the customs being like, but Josh and Chuck said in their way case now. I think with this. We really hammered that I'm I'm ok, I'm fine! Now, yourself now you're travel style get the Cardiff. The card is good for you get old blue. Well, we don't tell it all blue now, the british collars old, blue, the they named envy him. Anything yet was it burgundy enough of burgundy right, so we're travelling abroad by the way you ve baby, you're babies gonna the password. I thought there would be some like exemption, but now you get your baby photographed any life. Human has to have a passport, at least in the United States, but increasingly across the world. The passport laws are becoming more and more staff. Christ. There are eight, so we talked about applying in person avi. If it's your first passport, you have to do that. We already said that if you

loss or had your password stolen. You have to go again in person if your passwords expired was issued more than fifteen years ago go again, Europe and right away the reason they. I think it with your kid. You have been so long as you change the way you look more right, which makes the air they have no idea what you're gonna go to look like you could look like Freak they don't know so as every five years. If, here, if under age, sixteen every five years hey you're, getting multiple passports before the age of fifteen and lucky you, nice girl, kid If your passport expiring was issued when you are under sixteen, you gotta go in person or if your name has changed, then you gotta go in person. If your name is seen in you, don't have any kind of legal document showing writings Livingston

yeah. You can totally you can change your name just by through the male. Actually, as long as you have this certified supporting documents. Here's what I thought was interesting to prove your identity. If you dont have a burst of certified, burst forget, when you can actually still get a passport through alone, of no record. Basically a letter saying this do doesn't have a certified birth certificate for whatever reason it starts out. You're not gonna, believe this. This guy doesn't have averted I like did they take. You know, there's a allowance for that. Don't you know yeah, I think it's necessary, and this is. This- is different from like a hospital birth certificate yet the hospital I got over the horse and then the the birth is recorded with the city or the county that the pursuit of tat you want. But

the city or county lost it or whatever and cant find it. Then they should issue you a letter of no documentation that in and of itself, isn't gonna be enough for you didn't have certainly give a passport. You also want to find other stuff that supports the fact that you weren't boy. This is a great lists in a sense, this record, where you can find a certificate of circumcision yeah. One. I mean it again. Proof who's gonna lie about that shown the certificate. Then I guess if they need further proof, you could the United a backroom fear like please please, step around and about your answer. No, they would knew that baptismal certificate know if they do that you you should get a free passport and maybe even in an attorney like they give you a state, the senior and you just automatically own it for that Doctors record of post natal care, a family bible record of never heard of.

I am even underline that you didn't know that seems illegitimate. Like a fat like you could write anything in a family bible is out. That means I think, so it's an archaic best. Physical certificates and other one. Then you want to bring in some proof of idea like if your driver's license or military de government, I d they, so you won't load up on anything. You can, including a signature. I d say: please let me leave the country and come back and there is actually a form called the d S life. Ten a, and it is a form that you can have a blood relatives older than is my favorite thing: I was able to say yes, this person was born. I remember when he or she was born because they're my favorite niece her nephew and they are who they they are, they don't even need to be related, a really those employed wealth of knowledge

the no you for two years. Oh, that's a different formats, the form d s life. Seventy one! Oh, I thought what years again vs slash ten A let's get it gives straight, but they must do this. Thing. They vanished where one is a blood relative and I think it holds more weight than the D. A seventy wine is where somebody who's. Knowing you for two years says I vouch for space. How are they to native IRAN they ve been? I can getting vouch for you. I guess yeah sure we knew tat for longer than two years, but only think about it. That's I think, that's like the last resort. Yet, like this person has been posing as this person for at least two years, as with the form d s flesh. Seventy one year, these, my neighbour, families, but I know that the older couple who lived in the house today

suddenly didn't monitor any more and that its main did. He doesn't have an accident. That's weird! I! So let's talk about the worst case scenario, which we were talking about, which is oh, no. I have to get to Bruce in Belgium tomorrow. Ok, what do you do? Well, it depends on why you have to get there if you have a family member who just fell down a hit their head in is that the death doorstep you have with the State Department considers to be a life and death circumstance. The train You can go there and say: hey this hospital in Bruges. Sent me this facts. That's my is my yeah, my brother's medical records. You and I have to go and they will work with you guessed it if you say, hey just thought of going out of town at the last minute I booked a trip for tomorrow.

Fine, you guys, I'm an idiot were so. I need a passport actually work with you here. Zachary find no and in you're gonna have to jump to improved, but you can conceivably get a passport within twenty four hours or less On the same day, yeah you can go to a private agency and pay anywhere from a hundred and eighty. Like three hundred dollars to get a same day password. Yes, these that's real right. Do not like you know the back alley that should do it. There's I saw one here in Atlanta. They have an office wherefore two hundred ninety five dollars. You can get a passport and eight hours that they'll go, get you one laughed, but that is again if you have if you say just needed to be renewed or need pages attitude of something like that right. If you have to do it in its your first passport, you can't do it yourself either way, and actually you can save yourself those fees by simply making

white men in going to one of the regional offices in you're lucky enough to live in that city, and then you should be able to get the same day as long as you can prove that you need it within that time. Yet and if you pay the sixty dollar rush feet yeah, because if you hire Private service you're going to have to pay all the normal passport fees, including the recipe plus yeah there. This the this private services fees of right three hundred dollars, on top of all of the other Fiji led to pay exactly I also take a break in. There was talk about the all important passport photo after this

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you're, going to get a letter denial. No. Instead you to be facing front, you want it to be mostly headshot. It has to be a two inch by two inch photo. Yes, needed duplicate of it, and your head has to take up one. The one in three eight inches of this photo from the bottom of the gens at the top of the head exactly I don't want anything covering your hair or your hair lie on be wearing sunglasses nope by, if say, like, you were a wig or you, your glasses are you where something that that is a separate feature. Faced, but you know you normally where there you would want aware that any further here they wanted to look as much like. You look everyday In that doesn't mean I wear my last chance garage at no, you couldn't you know you would get the night, but I could say I wear this almost every day and they say sorry you tonight They say you're grown man. For God's sake, he rang a baseball cap being color these days. I didn't used to have to be here and there

for a neutral expression. Although you are allowed a slight smile, or maybe a Mona LISA smile yeah. If your gun, like two to Paris further towards France, finale stewardess, was safe inside. He might be a little excited and smiled a but keep it to yourself. He bit camp down wherever or you can, wanna. Do yourself. You know he was ever white background or ten background. You gotta Kinko's your someplace, or does Google passport photos and there's plenty of places the aren't the the photo booth yeah, which again technically as long as it fit the criteria they don't care if you get it done in a photo booth as long as you're following all the standards, but it is not easy for you to go to this the drugstore and say any passport photos that China person taking your picture should know what to do.

We already talked about renewal, but that is the stroke. Eighty two, if you wanna, tell her that sucker and again it is cheaper to renew and as long as you said, the other requirements eagerness send it send it right in and get it replace threat, which is great right. So if you were to tear open your passport as of two thousand and six in the United States, you'd wilfers for you, rested, probably which is nuts. Why? If you go and read page six, it says that it property of the: U S: government there you don't on it, no and that if a U S authority, requests that you surrender, you have to surrender it attracts which will talk about the second to the scan with big deal. But if you tore it up- and you find an hour if I d chip that makes your passport which considered in a passport and that has all sorts of information as a duplicate of Europe,

RO as biometric information about you, and it makes a lot harder to travel under a fake passport or forge a passport them Today, there is radio frequency identification, what that stands for and the? U S gets a lot of credit for the e passport, but it actually was introduced in Malaysia earlier and another big feature that makes it difficult affords, while a lot of different features like special inks in different types of illustrations in threading, in those actually introduced by Nicaragua. Yet there is apparently is one of the most difficult documents to forge in the world yeah. I think it's become the standard here, but the they're, the ones who started it actually started the trend. So I said that your passport is technically not yours. It's basically on loan from the government. This really irks alot of people there's a couple of laws that have become

proposed recently, where one is. If you owe the Iris fifty thousand dollars or more, you can have your passport revoked, Another is, if you oh five, thousand dollars or more in child support, you can have your passport. Evoked in another. One is, if you have a few accused of associating with terrorist organisations yeah, you can have your passport revoked well. All three of those are meeting resistance by people who say: hey man like their ways for the? U S, government, into track, all the people. You need to track right without revoking passports. We don't like you having that power overtly written down in law like this is a right that dates back to the Magna Carta yeah, I'm so was to lay off or that the Oscar just shut up, we're your passport and you by the way, I'm so that there is resistance.

But I don't know how well it's being met in this programme of revoking passports among terrors people associated with terrorist organisations. Have you read the drone papers from the intercept yet now so in it? They talk about how that becoming like a thing in it suggests that it's a way of laying the groundwork for assassinations. Awhile yeah, like your passports, or vote, your technically notices in anymore, so you're open for assassination overseas by like a drone striker, something so yeah. So a lot of people like maliciously the passports alone Ray the passports out of this. You guys are really in this this this right and in revoking in I'm like a hundred people in the whole world or in the whole country year. So it's it's a big thing interesting. If you lose your passport,

while you're abroad, it's no fun and that's why they always recommend that you make copies of your passport and leave with like a family member metal, help you get it back with her after you fill out the stroke, sixty four yet and forget to make copies and keep them with you as well, in your luggage to its good idea, and I think what you get hooked up at the embassy right, whatever country urine yeah, that's first place. I'd go a thousand trouble, oh sure, because that's what they do in the movie. That's what methane and always does. Did you see a thing about camel

passports. Now this woman named a downer shall ever know now what was her name? Donna Walker back in the eighties. She came up with this idea. Camouflage passports is like a big passport. They somebody can have. That is. Is it for a made up country that sound uninteresting, serve a terrorist and looking for Americans to kill, and you show them you're EAST Timor, while our candidate country yeah, but like a made up passport that looks real, they might have passed you buy, for you know somebody else, and that is the real thing,

They ve been made an issue and people have made it out of Kuwait. I think Europeans made it out a quite using camouflaged passports, but it's also really wide open for you. No fraud and that can set sounds Argo. Ask very Argo: ask from sea land don't shoot. Well, that's real place to see land did it gained a day to day in this excellent team? Now I can't, I confess he man, maybe,

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