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Don't you want us of them? They were almost like the fruit of loom. Guys I've is manifestly possibly remain interesting. I think it's a goes on and television in my hand and I'm drinking a fan and orange. I brought it up on a couple times a month as my indulgence. That's your indulgence. Without, as my working dealt, I got to get it get you get a separate work. Life from Homelike shook her. Yes, you do you happy, I'm ok, we raised this can be given an end, its timely, which is always nice yeah, because you know that the arm the debate going on right now, the presidential debates going on right now, the other primary debate with the presidential debates yeah, but they're, not official early. Well we'll have to that. I guess, and while I was my home

ok. So you have you been watching him at all. I watched a few, the republican debates, but find it very Training and find a watch. It is amazing how a horse race is just the best sports metaphor analogy for these debates over. Ah, yes, but not just like a horse which, like the kind like the tin horses like the car, Well they're, like that Herman came alleged forward with his ninety nine plan and then impairs. I gave you really you heard about this, this ninety nine planets get into it. The Herman Cages, Canna hangs, is heading it goes back a little bit. Mitt Romney is positioning forward and backward at her, but the the

looking on Google NEWS for something to openness. Up with I mean there's about, I came up with, but everywhere everywhere you turn everywhere you look. These are called presidential debate when, in fact they are not presidential debates to their GEO P primary debates, and they are certainly not official presidential debates, which can only be carried out by one group called commission for presidential debates, which will get to the bottom of this. Have you seen the sorry I life's get on the year GNP? Debates thus far is flickered, like you know how. I feel sorry for like some, these candidates that just are clearly shoved the outside, by the rules and there's no drowns hall yeah Well, that was a joke. It is showed in iranian and Cane and Perry and, I think think, Bachman wasn't. In the main room, and then it show like a side room where they went to two other Canada can't remember.

Maybe so yes Anton theft in huntsmen, shots in torment and a club and it showed him off Minister IRAN Paul through, like a surveillance cameras, marking that can you sustaining? They can disheartening that patents itself. That is a representative of how these things can go down. Sometimes it's clear that some these can it's just like you might as well, not show up yet but confer on Paul because he does keep showing up no matter what and the joke about it, often, but by the yet the idea that a candidate can not be treated fairly in these. Is this kind of mine blowing to me, but that's not even the official debates, where it pretty much like written down that you can mistreat candidates that republican or democrat measure, so each other.

Your big the barrier and debate club basin are you are you? Are you boys are all the time we don't even have it at my school. I don't think we headed at my school year are you familiar with the history of debates in America, presidential debates in Amerika. I am now so. What is it harking back to Well, if you wanna go back to the beginning, that's We were you believe me sort of started out in eighteen. Fifty eight, when a young buck name Abe, Lincoln I was running for Senator against Stephen Douglas and he had a look a bit of a file Douglas around on the campaign

and during his speeches. What sort of echo him yeah from audience yeah. They require reminders of debates and you're here right in he would also so Douglas his dislike. I'm not talking you. What are you talking about so Lincoln would also just follow him stop by stop in in Douglas. His way can be, like I just heard from Douglas here's what I think about right, sort of a rebuttal so finally Douglas agreed to it, it's pretty groundbreaking and they had a series of- I think, like seven debates here- is about the existence of slavery. Douglas was pro divided country, slaves, Dayton and free states. I am Lincoln was like: is country can survival? that link and lost that election in actually when he ran for president in eighteen, sixty two debate at all, but that was the baby in your presidential debates. There is no moderator. There is no, there is no fear

other than these two guys standing there debating one another for three hours is no tv right, there's no Anderson Cooper, but that was the beginning of the presidential debates in America TRAIN the Senate re snow out of the centre right and then it was took a long hiatus fifteen election cycles until nineteen forty eight, when There was an actual presidential debate on the radio between republican primary considers. Dewey and Stassen, yes, and that that big ratings, thank you have between forty and eighty million people. Listen to this, which was over a hot topic of the day, which was communism, outlaws communism. No, certainly not endorsing it. Now as like how you feel that communism presidential candidate, you, like

And then, four years later, there's a pretty groundbreaking debate hosted by the League of women voters who had become huge in debates later on. But this is the first for re and it was a big one. Yeah I didn't realize how the ball they were, because there is cool they. The leave women voters in eighteen, fifty two hosted a televised debate, the first televised debate ever and it featured all the candidates in both parties in all parties for president area, call it and pressing the age may about a royal yeah, yeah yeah near which has indicated and partly sometimes not always its. I picture this debate them. And a lot a lot of talking and murmuring as Polly, very loud debate, but the leaves were opposed to this and then kind of went back.

Out of the limelight again in debates, did as well until the great debate- big, be big g g g g g big deal being prepared I beg the owner you're talking about Kennedy, Nixon in nineteen, sixty This one was very famous because Nixon was in port. He had a staff infection is now feeling. Well, apparently, his gray suit, blended into the background, making him look even more wan and care he rolled in their like all, sunny California, handsome yeah, I guess you Know- with male and mineral look deeper like hey this guy, that's great yeah, and it was. This is the first time to the two.

Party, nominated candidates or nominees were debated one another, just the two yeah and it was a televised eight nineteen sixty and dumb CBS yeah and die. It was the it basically established televised presidential debate as a force to be reckoned with an american politics because Oh a radio listeners thing just Tenzin tens of millions of people either. Listen to it on the radio watch it on tv and a pool of radio listeners on that a majority thought Nixon one: a pool of television viewers found that Kennedy, one in aeroplanes, that says it all yeah and was largely because now there were aesthetics involved. There wasn't just you know: talkies Squire, another box, like you, could see what the person look like and if you look there

like Nixon did. You were going to lose and this also lead to what may be your best sentence in the history of your writing. He? What by the time the twenty first century rolled around. They bore about the same resemblance to that first televised debated. Nineteen sixty as the guy show in the movie the running man bears to. You bet your life. If you like, I did I was delighted. I read that knows they took like said this fantastic but you're, right on the money with that yeah yeah so arm. So nineteen sixty changes everything the great debate that, from that point on probably the thing that change the most was the public came to expect debates than others sure and candidates, Picton, hey everybody. I want to talk to you about your website that doesn't look good and this hard to program because square space does it better yeah they do square space,

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purchase of a website or domain square just go check it out. But there's this thing that candidates could use to their advantage from the communications after nineteen thirty, four that established the s he see and in that communication that was the thing called the equal time provision and the equal time. Provision said: if you give media exposure to a boner feed a presidential candidate that you have to give the same amount of exposure to

same too to his rivals in in the election right there, and that meant that you get. If you said, I'm not gonna come to this debate that pretty much cancel the debate. Yeah because you couldn't just let that person have the the stage. It is disqualified, the arm the equal time he called time provision yeah and it's like they probably Didn'T- look greater, not debate. But it looked better than going on a debate in in your butt handed to you on Raby, as next did again and again and lost that nineteen sixty election, largely because of that those debates with J F K the televised versions of him at least, and yet you get bad press for a new cycle or two in the newspaper. Only you know

orders keep by on television. That makes a really big impression, so yeah Nixon himself used his presidential veto power to keep the FCC from repealing the equal time provision so that candidates couldn't do that any longer right. So he can keep dodging debates when everyone into exactly that's why the contributed It is right, one reason so that they can have. You know in the Sixtys and Seventys the Its were in bad shape until the elder you the women voters stepped back in and said you know what we're gonna do. We need a clean up this thing, and we are women here- is roar right, endless, give little back on them. You're born out of the Suffrage movement right leg of women. Voters was because price to the I think, the Nineteenth amendment and the at which has passed a nineteen twenty. You didn't have women voters

right when the lean the twentieth the nineteenth moment pass the ninety twenty of sudden. You did so the suffrage movement translate. The League of women voters and said: okay go forth and start shaping public policy through your vote. Threat, so yea League of women voters Stephanie to take care of business and make sure these things go off in a fair way. Yeah guess he's getting hammered anyway, they could, but it wasn't just legal women versus the FCC. Had a ruling as well that allowed Entre for the League of women voters to step in was at that when they declared it debate of bona fide news event yeah, and so they is an event. If you hosted a third party hosted, then we have an exemption for the equal time provision on the sudden, which means now you have to debate. The debate goes on without well get your ass, a debate, but you look really bad if you're not sure right, like GUM Carter, did Carter, reduced to debate, Reagan, Anderson

Jan Andersson, s name is who is an independent candidate and so Reagan was like I'll I'll do it and Anderson was like I'll. Do it in the debated without Carter that perhaps Lawsy election form. Among was a contributing factor contributing to, I would say, the oil embargo, the loss of delta force seeking out the ran hostages through a lot of things going against Carter used in his best work since then in it Is it statement so the the elves W they they took the reins from seventy six to eighty four. Eighty eight because they stepped in is a neutral. Already right is needed to fulfil their Assisi ruling. So they said we need a good format. We need a split these formats into categories based on the types of are not the types, but how the questions are asked. And they used in open format which allowed follow up questions among the candidates, which was really a big deal, because you can't use your rehearsed.

I mean you can do as much as you can better gasping caught off guard and get that great spontaneity that you're looking for you out of your president and dumb or lack of right. So well, that was a thing. That's the that's! The problem is like you, ve got your guy who now has to debate and who is debating on television, who can just blow at all after a debate or two you can just completely but everything or lay criminal, came out of nowhere near just like a businessman from Georgia. Their nine nine right. He came up with this plan and did really well in a couple of debates and shot to the front he passed Romney, I think, imposed for a little bit. Soak debates can really send you were to the front of the pack work and is basically kill all of your chances, political strategists

like that at all campaign managers, don't like that they like to control every issue While this is the heyday, though, then right the League of women voters were running. The show is the heyday of presidential debates for sure. If you are a voter If you were Canada, I was like hell on earth. Is there if I get so it's how it should be written I got my how on earth, but at least like yeah spontaneous in Rio and right not rehearsed right, so league women voters they they did not acquiesce. Any demands of any candidates. They made very sure that all candidates who are qualified got equal time. They just think it was a really fair debate and the Republican Democrats did not like this. They gave her a lot more time, didn t they gave generally for urged a bit more time. The right yeah yeah was eighty four,

I answer yes, she's, my nails, so the league of women voters can, I guess, made enemies out of the Democratic Republic into relief. Wait a minute wait a minute. This is, in effect, a two party system, so we're pretty powerful so get together, and they started in nineteen. Eighty four, they said you know We're gonna veto a hundred of the panel as to propose, and what else can I do it debates we shut it down, yeah they took, fall from legal women. Voters and the death knell came in the nineteen. Eighty eight campaign between George W Bush is campaign and Michael do carcasses campaign which got together created, what's called a memorandum of understanding near and they basically, I love that it took political. It does not want to look like dummies to finally bring the two parties together on one thing like what we can agree on this right and they,

and the memorandum of understanding was a little secret document. That said could be in the audience and eighty eight debates who could be a perilous follow up questions and these the terms and the legal Voters said that stinks has now urges hosting this event so screw you, Well, they said that they were they. They resign, as is basically the hosts of presidential, Bates yet love that they cited fraud on the american voter, that's pretty hardship and on the so the Democrats and Republicans were like well. Ok, perfect, that's not bad, where we go into the legal women voters, but don't need a neutral party who is a neutral party? I've got idea will create. One from scratch will create a new for party tonight

that we can control exactly another neutral cobbler commission on presidential debates, which is a joint nonprofit by partisan organization. And that is a very, very, very important word- not non partisan, lay a league of women voters her by partisan. That means we represent two things right, Republicans and Democrat. That's exactly right, so that the sea pity, and I'm presidential debate was established, nineteen. Eighty eight took over hosting presidential debates. It became the only organisation that could legitimately host in official presidential debate scheduled for them for a presidential election, one of which is ours. The vice presidential debate, those rights one year and dumb. Basically, it does a it does a lot for the Democrats and Republicans Chuck yeah. They have to obviously this

about a year out can it takes a lot of time to plan they have to pick the location The moderators the locations are, it's a little trick, because you want a neutral site and when you have you know a pen, of candidates up there there from all over the country. The kid you know, items colleges and soak obviously can't be tied to that candidate in any way right, a computer Modern? Yes, so it takes a while to get everything lined up in probably in the back room secretly approved by everybody exactly because it's like well. I want this podium to be this high, because a catholic short on camera- and I, like my candidate, likes the debate hall temperature at this year and, what's the background, look like they don't want you fading away like Richard Nixon right, but even the c p d or this the insipidity, provides like it

even bigger function for Democratic Republic that acts as a shield. So it can issue some really unpopular decisions, but it's not beholden to the public sure any answers only to the Democrats and Republicans and it isn't that acts shield but it gets mad at the commission on presidential debates when real- It was the two campaigns that that came up with that decision, yet like Heaven with poorer with ninety to everyone remembers prosperity and not those prepare per hour. And he was from the reform Party- had just a seven sent rating before the debates on today got about nineteen percent of the vote, which is a huge job, the biggest ever so a nineteen Six when he reared we'll head again. Darwin Clinton both said we don't want to do this guy. We don't want him around, and so Essentially the the

they see change the provision answered, the the c p d, Instead, you not common right because of their equal time. Provision have been like. Can bright, and that was the shield. So, even though Clinton and door behind it, it was really the sea PD who put like the press release out there, so they took the hit for it right and the Some pull found that, like at six percent of voters, blame the Clinton campaign for it. Nineteen percent blamed the dole campaign, but fifty percent blame the commission on presidential debates, so shield activated yes, and they also got rid of any kind of spontaneity where, if you watch presidential debates now, they're basically like that press releases. The camp there's been no follow up question search just like here's. The question that you ve known for three weeks were going to ask you deteriorate

so it is completely manage them massaged so, and they were criticised here John Kerry. Had a good good criticism in two thousand and said quote: you could pick ten people off the street who didn't Jerusalem from Georgia, and they would have better questions. So that's where we stand right now, the case. I'm presidential debates still run the show as we ever there they play a little looser, though, like these candidates run over the rules? like barring someone like Anderson Cooper coming out therein, taping someone's mouth shut. You still see them, like. You know, running over the time- and I remember when Bush in Gore debated. On another there was. This Besides sniping about where I was supposed to have my time, and he had his time so I'm gonna take extra time and adjust it sorted, gets out a hand. Was it. It was a presidential debater primary debate not only fills Bush Angora when the primary they are equal.

Nobody was it like a hosted by CNN, or something like that it was an official You know, I don't remember, I mean it was the famous one where they started showing reaction shots and he showed George Bush getting out perturbed each time, Gore within other, have split screen up dramatically. That was two thousand for between carrying Bush. While they see dated thinking of Gore, I watched it. Enjoyed pushes annoy well they to show to split screen. So Al Gore was talking, it should bushes reactions the whole time and then vice versa, rain. Apparently there is a memorandum of understanding that the networks we dislike now and I can do that- we're gonna film breakaway shots that that may be seen and think that you're right it may not, An official hello stuff, you should know listeners. Do you want a new year's resolution? That's easy to keep yes resolve to help protect your identity and personal info with lifelike identity theft, protection, lifelong alert, you to potential threats,

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needs to be fair. So, like the c p d, this EPA is doing some stuff fairly, like I'm not holding a debate at the. Mater of one of the candidates or their home state or their home town, or anything like that, and they can t also pointed out. That is usually a bigger city to because you have to have what is it? A three thousand saleable hotel rooms and pay a seventy hundred dollar application fees. That rules out anywhere in Kansas Trade, pretty much in a year, There is also the division of time is very important to you know: most of the time the candidates will almost always get time at the beginning and the end here I mean in the Middle EAST, where it coming it's like, while in crazy, like how you gonna divide the time in in order

and we re bottles again. Allow cross examination that very rare, but ideally you- but he has equal time in the middle, and then you usually like a moderator, either three formats, basically others moderator panel in town, Hall, yeah and Theirs those moderator, no matter what in all three of them yet and the poor, with its there, like you said there still could be. Operator, but let us have more than one person replacing So, there's a moderator replacing the moderator with a panel, but you still have a moderator that sort of confusing it is in the town. Hall is usually the young, as I find the audience asking questions. Examining that than the candidate. Very rare went to because you know anything happened, somebody could go. A script stir you have to actually qualify for debate. You can't say hi, I'm Joe all sure, I'm running for president and one of the on their singing rocky mountain way. Yes,

the rules for qualifying for debate that you have to be its ass to be successfully possible for you to win in the electoral college. So your name has to appear and, like a certain amount of state, ballots right, yeah, you have that the fifteen percent of voters support before the debate back. But if you, if you qualify for that and a lot of people do. Then you can be in these debates, supposedly that there was a legal women voters stuff. I wasn't too some that so carried over yet asked. So these things are important, though, nonetheless, because nowadays is you're influenced almost much by what everyone says about the debate as the debate itself. Immediately after and actually even during, sometimes the debates, the network

in the cable stations in the internet will start saying well, who one this was strong. He was strong here she was strong there. They pull come on. You know immediately Dorothy there on the internet or by telephone and sort of say well. This is who one regardless of, Well, yeah. I remember once the Poles released, it's like you're you're perception is affected and it's all about perception. If you remember Events before it's like a well, everybody else thinks they woman, then Hecuba they want. Of course, there are some classic examples of of clear winners and losers. In debates, like you mention here, George Bush, like looking annoyed during breakaway shots that he won. He still want in the I think.

His father was caught. Looking at his watch advice at times during the nineteen eighty, ninety nine to debate the Clinton that was pretty big game quail and the vice presidential debate he compared himself. Do you remember this? I am in big big mistake. He compared himself to this day in quail he compare himself to John F Kennedy. Well, it was a loose comparison that, whenever the exact quote, I think he's probably tell you made his youth and vigour. Yeah I think I remember the time feeling like like he got shut down. By Lord Bethell, Benson. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine and you senator are no Jack Kennedy. I remember feeling in time like he wasn't really saying he was like Jack Kennedy, felt, sort of bad form, but Vincent count stone. He pounced on I'm just like again did, and I watched that clip earlier to he got a good laugh in Monday's debate when the remember the moderator, but he asked Reagan about his health and his age. As the oldest candidate. They said you

tired recently after your in Russia in quite on do you have what it takes health wiser to be? President Anna remain present. I think it was re. Election was in the end you actually bigger, and he said I'm not gonna bring this in age, bring agent this equation. I want to exploit for political purposes the youth and inexperience again it or my arrival here and

mind. They are even busted out laughing. It was very nice light moment. Mondo is awesome. He he loved to get joke, even when he was about other yeah yeah. There's that Canada, at least he wasn't. I guess he was the eighties George Mcgovern, I'm so check. We talked about the nineteen sixty the great debate, changing everything, television changed everything church and then the two political parties wrestled that change and use it to their advantage. But now social media is starting to have an impact in it really kind of pop that most for the first time in two thousand eight, there is like the CNN you to town halls year, but you're pretty cool, but you know they. People were allowed to submit questions on you too then the two campaigns get to choose. What questions were answered, her Chechnya, which they are criticised for yeah by Myspace and TV held town halls and down with Myspace it some sense,

from the media site. It's like get glue or something I argued, but it's like has cobwebs on here sweetheart. I guess it's for Halloween gotcha, the, but the Myspace, Myspace and TV town Hall. I think. Tell how format the moderator chose, questions as they came in lives, so that was like a triumph. Yet techniques loved it yeah, but I mean think about that

reinjecting spontaneity through show for media through I'm sure Facebook was involved in this last earth involved, but certainly lit out. Will they pick the they pick two one and it had a k mark Zuckerberg and Eric Schmidt decided, who was in the twitter played a party right yeah. There is that debate between Mccain in a Brok, Obama, or there, Sir gets who knew how to use twitter, and they were responding to questions from moderator from time. In hundred forty characters, you less sure Mccain had no idea what Twitter, what has happened to your members there,

There is one debate it between. It was an official debate between Obama and Mccain. An Mccain looked accuses wandering around this. This set, like you, didn't know where he is supposed to be here and then Obama seem like a like a schoolboy like when the moderator was. I could time's up he'd, stop real, quick and look at em like him. I in trouble there- and I was like these- are the two guys I well instead disproves, though how like influence of perception until Vision, even from a silly like going to commercial break, shot like Mccain wandering around or something you know this was there yeah well, a bomb was wandering around. There was something about

November silly influence my perception near become, but it influenced by persistent perception of Obama to that, like he wasn't quite ready, yeah something else that television, her yeah, let's go vote chocolates, go vote for something he elbowed. Did you feel voting on something suffrage? That's already been done. Ok, If you want to read a really literary article on presidential debates, written by me, checks on a big fan of downplaying call for those good you can type in presidential debates in the search bar has therefore start com which brings up listening Josh. Occasionally we like to shut out to our troops overseas. Right now. Ok, hi guys norm. It was less else. Husband was already

normal currently stations as we can respect and fourth, that's why it seems very casual here form is currently stationed at F, O B Salerno in Afghanistan, which is operating base forward operating base somewhere. In the three hundred and fifty second combat support hospital in the coast, products that is K H, who past problems he's a trauma nurse working the evening ships and will be there till the end of February. Twenty twelve many in his unit are working, twelve hours shifts five to six days a week provide medical care to a path of U S. Troops in afghan civilians right, his family, basically is the unit in Afghanistan. So as one he can give a shout out to him his c s age. Or even show about how medical combat support hospitals work. That would really help make him and others in his unit. Happy lot of them are kind of right now, obviously, for being in the same place. Doing the same thing

day in and day out, while handling the trauma there. Nor secretly wishes that you and Josh would be a part of the USA travel and share your show with folks abroad? Good Afghanistan totally condemn. I have listed a site which will give you more information on the people, He was given a year or more to help our country, so if you guys want to go check out what combat support hospitals are liking to do operation, support Salerno that organ that it s a We are in dot, Org, Slash soldier underscore support so operation support, Salerno DOT, Org, slash older underscore support many thanks in advance, and that is from Brazil herself, rather less going back for a year now where's again he's gonna Afghanistan, oh really, generally pile. What's he do that

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