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hey and welcome to the pod cats and Josh Clark and Charles Chuck Brien's with me as usual. It wouldn't be the same as they weren't. So I hear thankfully, for me Emmy sweetie, so let me this stuff, you should know check the pie cast. Legend lives on their. We thought about a name change recently with a stick with it yet stuff you should now. Yes, we ve thought about a name change that has meant that I am going to say you never see the males. Anyone yeah yeah, so shock has Swat team overrated, your house now I did have a cop come to RO in time in Athens. The thought I don't know why, Actually, I don't remember from a ring, woken up in those a cop at the door and a care member exactly why

was coming by is a mistake clearly, but I also mean I didn't fully opened the door if you know what I'm saying right there you making The quota, you don't remember when I was a mistake. It really was out. I honestly don't remember why he shut up. I remember thinking going to crack the door into this cop. What have you been arrested now really? Is it surprising a little bit yeah. I mean you into college in Athens. You lived in away for a while. I mean I did get shaken down in further Georgia Theatre when night, like against the wall, Frist quivering with no real, was there always taken p, yeah, I mean they literally had no reason they put. Oliver friends up against the wall like stop the car and jumped out in as we relieving show, I think, George, the theatre being in the vicinity of it was probable, cause under law and weird, and then they just left as soon as it came. They dislike left. Also odd

Luckily, for you, you didn't die of a heart attack. Now you were shot in the chest. Now you weren't shot three times now. Had it been a swat team that shook you down or came near DORA, all these things may have happened. I might have been too tat yeah what Swat teams are check. We should probably get to that. Finally, right, yes, Swat teams are specially trained and specially equipped an armed divisions of police department, the heavily armed very out of their stuff, is cobbled together through military surplus yard and realise that neither critical thanks to the grab, sir, who wrote yet another fine article here he's one of the faves around here he is he's a good guy endo. Ironically, neither one of us have ever met him now. I wish I d really looks like I, you yeah, don't spoil it wherever yeah, I dont, like do in their alike, keep

like a non image near the scene with a beard, Disease beard he does, but we get that alot. When people see picture us they right in and to express their displeasure, which yet were obtuse. Weapons and tactics Josh's the name now, but what was it originally? Special weapons attacked here? They realize it's a little too aggressive sounding a little bit yeah so that they, the guy, who came up with the original name special weapons attack team, was a guy named Darrell Gates, who was police chief of Ellie. De for a very very long time, and while you were there, in fact, neither during Rodney King instead no, my brother was now See anywhere near like South Central an up and Oliver he saw was in the air,

of the riots in a clearly state in his apartment, his so your brother's, not Reginald any now get the other be bad. I hope they can do no wrong, but yeah me too, but gates didn't actually invent the Swat team he's finally credited with that of men. He did champion the idea. I get the impression that a friend of his or somebody lower on russian say higher on the total Paul. I've got him up with that idea and I being in a position of authority, he was still a high ranking officer. Then, although not yet please cheap gate said this is a great idea church, so he assembled the world's first Swat team or at the very least, the United States for Swat team LAPD leading the way as usual right. They also brought us, sir. The bribery, corruption, planning, weapons, brutality, brutality,

a long history of bad things, sure yeah they clean it up. I think now have a supposedly they they every decade, theyve clean it up and then of the horrible happened. My clean it up more than fifty horrible things happen, but again they are credited with coming up with the first Swat team. Erica, that was, nineteen sixty seven right, so they sat around for two years and waited until an organisation known as the black Panthers did not want the LAPD to enter when they came. Knocking on some gun warrants yet Hitler headquartered when their first encounters that an assembly unease Livy Liberation Army by actually read accounts of these. These two things here, the black Panther stand off in sixty and the ESA allay stand off, and seventy four were days long right right.

They in the assembly stand off, they stay shot, tear into the house, nothing. They Disraeli turn fire, while we there died of gunshot wounds or burned in the fire cheese. The black Pearl there's all made it out alive, but this is after several days to and in both cases besides fired several thousand rounds at one another yeah, that's a serious manner so yeah- and this is it definitely remains in the year that the mentality of the LAPD Swat team, because they have an unofficial patch. There has forty one and fifty four of the black Panthers headquarters where the stand up took place was at forty first Street and then this SL lay stand offers at fifty. Fourth, anything Compton Avenue, forty one and fifty four be constant reminder yeah exactly I mean like this created it or at the very least,

show the world that you do need Swat team here, because up to this point before his White Caesar created any officer came upon, the scene was expected to resolve the problem. Sure with me, you know, I mean, I wouldn't say minimal firearms, but certainly not Specialized specially equipped, not gear and Emma brought and then in nice Seventy five, the I don't remember what what network it design but Swat came out. Yeah cop show about Swat team sob Yorick. Always he in area I never saw a saw, the horrible horrible remake. A movie version yet and see that with SAM Jackson, Conferral Zena, that's a deadly com, Everyone knows that arenas. There was drinking water and World Mexico, but a movie form. You know what same Jackson and convert yeah. Ah team Jackson's almost a parody of himself. At this point here he has been the whole time we just didn't catch on. First, that yeah gotcha,

So let's talk a little bit about how many there are in the country, supposedly there about twelve hundred Swat team in the United States and ninety percent of police forces in cities of fifty thousand or more have on a swat team, but not bad, not at all, and seventy percent and smaller towns, yeah yeah, which is pretty much everybody, think there's twelve hundred yeah, really twelve hundred across the country. In some cities, smaller towns have kind of gotten together with other near by smaller towns. You're gonna make sense and have been like hey will throw in a few swat team members in some equipment. You guys do the same will have a regional swat team. I've got to point man. If you ve got a sniper

write. Another collecting Harry Potter trading cards said with real life Swat team member. I never thought about it. So what are they use? These people for check these decisively group of tactically trained heavily armed paramilitary police officers. Will Josh there's quite a few scenario was a high risk warrant. Obviously, if they're going to serve a warrant to unknown violent, Helen who may have a gun or armament right. They want to bring in a swat team to any kind of hostage situation or barricades situation. Obviously, a high risk person is when someone needs to be transported, like some nasty serial killer, Sure Henry Hill, an odyssey terrorist attacks are riots.

Swatting, yeah or the right grew, which we should do all this made me want to do one on right control. Actually we should do that at some point. Crackheads it was that other do it cracking hippies had their hippies. We should do that because we could talk about the battle for Seattle and ninety. Ninety nine, a m. User yeah. That's right, I think you said the inciting the right through bricks in Malta had been funny. I'm funny signs that he held up simpsons references to the park and a guy or so look for riot control coming up right. Indeed, the Czech there's about forty thousand swap raids in the: U S every year, while

There is a lot and I didn't realize it's growing and growing in the last twenty five years. Its increase thirteen hundred percent. Now that, because there is a little more trigger, happy or Khazars, more swat guys are there because there's more situations that needed for all three probably is probably all three plus a little bit of a looser federal funding coming in than there ever was before the Department of Homeland Security is round. They have deep pockets, so a police station mighty, while sure, let's get that tank. Since we have the dough right, nice, all those really not tank. What we should talk about actually sets a lot of tons of vehicles are, are transformed into Swat vehicles, an arm it painted black and throw some bad shields upon it and shields upon it and has had an exit. That's an armed vehicle that yeah and a lot of times it sees stuff yeah. Sometimes they use are these. I love this far ahead,

where you going where it'll be like a mobile command headquarters, shirk any that the reason it so valuable is really obvious, but it's easy to overlook here because they have a bathroom. Never in the movies. You never see the hostage stand off where the guy says I have to go, take a leak. Yet you you stay there. Where are you going? Don't shoot anybody while I'm gone, I ve never seen one sneezer go the bathroom anything like that. Less it's important to the film, but in a lot of times will use these transport so heavily armed like actually carry the Swat team members into it. All right? I'm a doesn't always work nineteen. Eighty eight after german terrorists sees the Knock Khatami building in LOS Angeles. The LAPD Swat Team, use their heavily armoured vehicle to breach the door to the building right and they were fired upon by the terrorists using a rocket launchers.

Which I think, killed or injured everyone inside she's doing Finster yeah asked me what that means. What does it mean? Shoot the glass things that have no one out there realises that we're talking clearly about the movie die hard. Then why are you really need to get out more at least more movies yeah, absolutely I chuck let's get down to basic certain. Ok, we got, and so far afield, it's ridiculous. Having now that we are not as bad as we did with the whole gee, I Joe tirade Ninja near to how do you become a swat team, we'll Josh there's different ways: you can become a member. You obviously have to be a police officer and many times you can volunteer. If you just want the extra action and you feel like you're capable through you're, really good marks, mannered just a tougher, Sometimes, though, you are actually forced into duty

my other several years service. It's it's like a year as a point in a police officers, career right, like users rookie be in open them, maybe at some point you're a detective and then after this water. Maybe those are my version, but yes, some on some forces, your expected to eventually be a swat member for, a while, yet on smaller scales, Swat team Where's will be regular police officers as well or just driving around like looking for bag or whatever they might there's a there's, a call out, which is whether called yeah and then they'll go and get their staff and get ready right right in places like Ellie New York. There swat teams are like just swat members. Twenty four seven, they train all the time you they're they're very well funded, very heavily armed, and that is the Swat team that we generally think of when we think of swap right yeah. So how did they get to be this way I mean clearly there their training and bad asses, but

I have to go through training right yeah, like you said, the training never ends when you're a slackening of being in the military. You don't stop training grab your constantly training. Could you gotta keep up the physical fitness? You should be an expert marksmen, although it's not so lately required? I think it is in a lot of like the ones where their swat team, yet like twenty Seven, like you, said, I think that they do require them to be such expert marksman, that their their automatically qualified to teach marksman courses rapidly Master marksman is the term we're looking for you. Since sure. So what they do here obviously set up scenarios to practice. You know when you see in the movies when they have the fake city scene or the fake house, and then they push the button and out. A dummy of it of a bad guy. We Johnny's academy, yeah or outcomes the dummy of a lady holding a child and invariably in the movie that they shoot the lady by accident.

Right. That's started that really how goes down their India and which makes a lot of sense because, as the rapporteur points out, the article sitting room and talking about what you It is not really good. Training need high levels of training or computer sums. They do that. You sure, which I think usually require you walking around the gun as well. Only to do, I don't think it's just like a joystick, I think you're in a room where it stimulates, like the Americans coming out even right gun right, but instead it's like all characters from Sonic the Hedgehog catch so check we ve got. On training, there is often a while, I shouldn't say off, in some cases, specifically with the LAPD, there's also a lot of hostage negotiation training as well yeah in most places keep swat and houses

Go she Asian totally separate right. They don't want him to mix the actually possibly want them to, but heads a little bit so that there is real discourse about whether or not to go in with guns blazing sure or to try to resolve the situation except through negotiation, but in the LAPD Swat. Every single one of them is a train hostage. Ngos yater that outside to take over negotiations as the lead negotiator- that's pretty cool. It is pretty clear that is multi faceted. Yet I was one of my favorite part castrated too, about hostage negotiations. Are these are closely tied, segments of of private law enforcement? I guess I keep on call Milt military, but well, it's paramilitary. Emily very much resemble a mere military like teen jerk. They have stealth reconnaissance team members. Here people who you know if if they are getting something for me

about the way out of the house where you from the negotiator right right, a hostage was let go or something like that, but they need more than a couple of guys in and they will drill a home put a pinhole camera to keep. I on the guy might get more information about the house that kind of stuff Riah their snipers. Obviously, yes, anti sniper snipers did it, because what if there's a sniper shooting at the wheel would not just be a sniper yeah, but they call them anti, snipers so yeah, I guess it's. Two most snipers are just like some jerk walkin around waving a gun inside of a house you're, probably thought too hard to hit yeah and now what else they have explosive explosive guys

experts yet demolition. I guess you could call it pretty cool yeah, so I mean this is not your ever ever ordinary patrol guy who's, gonna pull over for running a stop zone right now definite search shock. We kind of referred to here there you know, there's like a guy waving, a gun in the house or whatever might swat situations are generally arm. Where there's a stand off like you said. Yes, to where there is a guy in a house, so he has hostages. Ok, he's barricaded himself inside sure he's not responding right yeah, that is so. The Swat team is called out. The swat team apparently takes about an hour to assemble right, get make it to the scene right yet, even though I think you'd mention that date taken they listen and on the police, radio, and if they hear of a scenario where they might be called they'll, go ahead, start loading. The shot guns was shells.

Start getting ready. Just in case footing, only Greece pay exactly the chicken blood across the forehead. But when they make it out, one of the first things they'll do apparently is come up with a quick and dirty yeah. I just made our quarters. He saw a contingency plans, the case. This thing just falls apart right when they get there, they need to know how to getting get as many people as possible. My neutralised, I, which is another word for kill exactly and dumb if they do have time of the situations where a cop static, meaning the guises he's responding a negotiator he's. Shooting anybody yet still stand off, but there's not nothing, there's the element of time. They have time exactly then they're gonna stop

planning here, that's when you bring in the army- and that means you can use the bathroom and come up with a very in a safe plan, because ideally a note. The grabs four points out, even though these guys have a reputation as being very trigger happy. Ideally, you want to end it peacefully, even if your swat team remember so there information from a hostage negotiator, she many hostages that may be released from their stealth guys and they just I did their enough enough it's time for this guy to go down right. Yes, so they resemble they knew they got. Their plan said the girl information they need and they go through the barricades and go through the door. What does that look like if you're standing there and all of a sudden here in the house, the door opens up in incomes? Swatting what's gonna happen? Well, first thing: first, you probably would not see ten guys because they form was called.

Snake and that's why, in the films you see in the picture, shows you see them in a dead straight line? Obviously, because it minimizes the other targets right yeah, they can shoot at the guy in front of their lives, called the point. Man very brave Listen, very brave, but also that guy has to be is cause a cucumber and under some of the highest amount, distressingly human being. Can go through here he has to be able the taken an entire situation in a split second decide that's a woman holding a baby right, so don't shoot her, because this isn't police academy now or you know, if that if the guy has a gun, if its pointed at them, What what's going on exactly and then act on this information in a really Man right. I would be the tail end of that snake. Thousands I'd still be in the bathroom the motor What about you know also in the movies they get it right? Most times is you'll see them come in

single file and then immediately all go to. Or go to a designated spot in the room, almost as if they were trained to do so and its because they are yet the areas of responsibility here they haven't all planned out before him. Yes, you have like a guy and they already know the lay out of the room where their entering and where the guy has the hostages right exactly they. Each person has a portion of the room that their responsible forced to the point made comes in, and maybe his dead ahead guy behind him ass to the right near little corner, the guy behind him as a little beyond that serve buddies, aiming at different parts of the room clear at once. They write exactly once they ve noticed that their area of responsibility is clear, going to train their gun on. You know the guy, who is the problem right either? Also forgot dimension, generally, a lot of yelling and screaming going on here

Maybe I was called a flash bang grenade yet because one of the things that they want to do is disorient and confuse the suspect, yet you out? So you can shoot him in the head or ideally on the ground and custom sure we have to say that cause. That's really what thereafter, but we cannot say that their kill crazier vengeance. It is now in its actually evidenced by the percentage of Swat assaults that were not a single gunshot is firearms about ninety percent of ATLAS brigade. I bet that ten percent is pretty exciting. Pretty pretty bloody thousands of rounds of aid they also point out or add does rather that, when you your area of responsibility. You plan to sing out obviously to go in and cover the room, but your point and actually everyone on the team is sort of like the quarterback coming to the line of scrimmage when you when you

adding the Unifil, you see the defence, and sometimes you have to change. The plague is the way. Change is not exactly how you thought of them, they're more guys in their. Then he thought. So you don't want to be the guy who's like covering your empty corner way. Tat make up your area of responsibility the whole time, yet you wanna be paid manning sure at the latest. Grimace yeah, except you, have a gun rack. Can we talk about the guns is my favorite part. Is it you gonna now? Neither one of us are, but we always go giggly. When we talk about these guns. I guess it's just raised is kids watching the eighteen and stuff like that very I'm not a gun guide. All both of us are little pansy liberals, I have a penny ways down right now, but I love these guns, so equipment wise. Every officer has a nice reliable, high powered hand, gun person first direct yeah, which they usually, where lower on their leg for quicker each year, and then

also there will be modified so that they can draw really fast. Now, as imagine you're going in you have your gun out right. I think it's technically to look kindly cancel out what it is. And they also, we usually have a sub machine gun and a shotgun and clearly there, ain't gonna go in with all three, but they have amount of leeway with their their own personal arsenal. They can pick out their own guns, essentially in a lot of times that if you look at the Swat Arsenal, it's kind of ragtag in piecemeal because, in addition to seizing delivery vans, yes for drugs, they also sees weapons from drug dealer. So long I might have an easy another guy may have in a heckling coke MP, for something like that, a k, forty seven you! How can I again something go? I've got a picture for you owe you even have returned oversight. I was really surprising in the article had talks about I'm shot. Guns were clearly popular because you can

b to discerning with your aiming and still hit something they can, I would think that you wouldn't want a shotgun in the swat hostage situation. Well depends on the situation, so I think that's why they pick their guns. But he pointed out that sometimes you can combine the shot gun with a machine gun. What did you see that the night master key earth and I'm gonna show your picture and I would love to be able to process on the on the blog, but look at that bad boy holy It is essentially if you no guns, if you picture like an m16 with a clip right further club, is front end of a shot gun without the barillon it attached to the gun right. It's like an m succeed with a grenade launcher attachment, but instead the grenade launcher has a shock and I'm answer gun. But I want that's my new zombie defence weapon yeah. I don't want to hurt anybody, but this does make me wish for a zombie apocalyptic yeah, nice one. So that's them

strict, let go you gonna, hang that up in your cubicle, while people might think him some creep, but that's not lessen peoples not start by your desktop is often for Haiti. Buggy We mention the flash bang grenades. Obviously, if it's a riot situation, they have all manner of nonlethal things that they can you get you home in word in things all stop you but not kill you? They use grappling hooks and tighter clause. Another ninja together to confuse you understand. A bolt action rifles or the sniper rifle of preference right?

but they're not allowed to use fifty millimeter or fifty caliber right as it fifty million mere physical, fifty cow. Ok, I'm these are sniper rifles that I think we ve mentioned before, and probably the Delta Force podcast. I think we have, because I think either special forces are Delta force are both requires their snipers to be able to be accurate, with fifty cow sniper rifle of fifteen hundred yards and why cantonese them in the private police sector, because we'll go right through your target in through a couple of hostages as well. Economic right through walls check that out huge debts. Twice: ass tall ass, a dollar bill yeah, I'm showing Josh a picture of a city our own, and I they did a measurement next to a ruler in its about five and a half inches long. Well is this bullet with the casing? Obviously, but its enormous it can really very big holes

things, so they don't allow them to use that because it could potentially kill hostages like on the street behind the how sick of potentially killer fruit vendor two towns over the head. That's not good! You want your fruit, there is alive and well and surveillance equipment. Obviously, here that pinhole camera mentioned sure our binoculars, envy, jeez night vision, goggles here, if ever users, you really did you? Are you carrying this thing? None o my brother laws in the Marines, and he let me I wear his out my neighborhood one night in Digital of every Eu Neighbours housing but I walked around and looked at stuff, but it was about the coursing ever really noticed anything that you would normally see like squirrels doing weird stuff will not weird stuff, but you can see in the dark, although not complete darkness, they work by amplifying available. I read, but if it is complete dark what can he is a thoroughly image in cameras,

I have a story about this shock. Let's hear it back at the turn of the last millennium chuck. There is a lot of debate about whether or not police departments law enforcement should be using these thermal imaging cameras because they said that they could see right through walls. They could. There is way too much detail right. There is unfair and violated privacy you're right and they were using them and fly overs of suspected grow. How but basically you could just ride around and look right into. Somebody's house, like oh marijuana, grow house. Now your hip

the law enforcement officers were saying like no. No, no, you can't see through houses. You can't. All you can see is like whether there is a lot of heat coming off the house. While I found it in all, turned of newspaper in EAST Tenancy called Wash board weakly, and I got to the bottom of this- and I found out that I think the Union Pacific railroads employed security guards who had these thermal energy cameras to look for bombs, unborn, really, and I got in touch with one of these eyes. Hoboes. I'm sorry defend the birds directive and I got in touch with what these security guards and he was boasting about how it could see right through two inch, thick steel? walls and cable cars, we're not cable cars, but Boxcar yeah, right and arm. He said you can see everything you can make out. Basically details things are so good, so I cracked the case a really

Yet no one paid attention, but I feel good about it. The out you log Foresman shouldn't be using those thing. There are twenty people in eastern Zaire. There were very upset as a result of exact landing other you gonna, get to see it or use it or get a demo. Now I just got to the bottom of it that will be job thanks, investigative reporter Josh, yeah and shock. Yes, Dutch, that's a pretty good segregate or to think too, I guess accusations of over usin over aggression, Swat team, yeah sure there's a lot of the controversy criticism.

Why now, over the past decade, or so, for instance, calling out the Swat team to serve a warrant on a non violent offender seem like it might be overkill yeah and how it has been just plain old, kill and several occasions yells talk about a couple of these occur and we're not trend above the whistle. But these things have actually happened. Sadly, in South Carolina and high school drug grade, a Swat team was called in to a high school drug rate and they forced students as young as fourteen to kneel down at gunpoint and drugs dogs sniffed around in their lockers and their backpacks, and they, of course, found no drugs I would say that is overkill and misuse of Swat team. Very much so you want here another one year later in two thousand, x in Maryland, police raided, the

of Cheryl nor too, I guess, sees drugs from her nineteen year old son. Those drugs turn out to be marijuana right, just a tiny amount, but the cops came in at four thirty in the morning sheriff I had no idea what's going on, so she heard somebody stormy into a house and she grabbed her register gun and had it pointed at the floor into in her bedroom, while where she was standing right, cuts, kick the bedroom door him without identifying themselves and without telling you drove the weapon they shot or three the third time was when she was already on the ground, really she's dead. And they rule there a justifiable killing. Really, you know that

in the old lady in Atlanta Dyslexia, but it was a wooden swat, those regular cut. It was, I think, rid dog. I was it and they just busted in on her, and I think she had a gun right, yeah and acted in self defence and they killed us old lady this. Yet they shudder like seven or eight times yet. Every said, I think red dugout disbanded, that did here's another good. When this is my favorite wine and optometrist at some point, was shot and killed by Swat team officer. When the team was called out to arrest him forbidding on football games, yeah gaining Salvatore, hello, see Junior As you know, it was in Boston and the guy was complying.

Thus I was house hands are doing everything. The cops are told him to do here and one of these swat team members had a m. I think it eighteen K year somebody's forty five train on the guy's chest, with his finger on the triggering accidentally shot him in the chest and killed him forbidding on NFL football near Will. Thankfully, these incidences are incidences of heavy instances are few and far between yet an end, I mean they, the police department in the city tends to side with their swat team. They'll pay out like a million dollars for wrongful death or something right It's not really having any impact on the uses, Swat team, but something else is Chuck. Did you notice the side bar on the active shooter doctrine? Yes, I did. Actually that's when there it's like some kook goes into the office building and start shooting people up regrettable, shooter, right school age,

Shooting is what gave rise to this. The ninety ass Columbine shooting right. For an hour. While this this rampage was going on, think the regular cops created a perimeter into stood outside of it waiting for the Swat team, which is exactly what they are supposed to do, neither snug if there were no its, not because by the time the Swat team finally went in everything was over. There were, you know, I think seventeen, then thirty, five injured, one guy bled to death and nickel. While while before this what's he made an ambush, shooters had had killed themselves rifled, so that gave rise to this active shooter doctrine, which is kind of this new school of thought that has led to new training for just that the average patrol officer. Right to handle this kind of thing, rather than a runaway for Swat, said to act fast, yeah and in two,

tat is well. You know, I mean it's amaze run around shooting you can't this call and say we need Swat in weight in our right to go in and kill the guy yourself neutralize, yes neutral. I sorry I'm so that's leading to a whole new sentiment in like a training for regular officers across country, which is really odd for Swat now, because there being relegated to just static situations where there's like a hot and there's time the element of time right, which I wonder how many swat team members are happy about this active shooter doctrine year seriously, using over there lay you know it if we say guys, alot we're not trying to be sexist, but most of these creeps hoop, take hostages and barricade and then shoot up schools in office buildings. They usually guys listless, be real. Here. Women are far too sensible to do something. Well put Chuck or if you want to learn more about Swat. You can type in house what teams work in the handy, search bar how stuff works, dot com, which of course leads us

I listener. Male, yes, Josh's call this gillikins island, I'd like it all starts under MRS from Dan and Fort Collins. I guess is Colorado right, yeah, hijacking, Josh, great red dawn reference in the honeybee episode. I wonder how many people got that one is of overruns spray painted on the front yet again later, go back in time. None in overtly remembers but dad no one actually refer notice that, except for you so far, will go dance, so you're you're on the ball. He points out that there was a classic Gillikins island episode, but where they are classic, he says where a beetles like group skeeters sure got stranded on the island. You remember that was there was there an episode where someone didn't get traded on the island, even Jacek, a boar guts Raymond there for reasons Remember the castaways put together to groups of competing bans.

With the guys the other was the honeybees yeah featuring. Ginger Mariana MRS Howl, and you can see that on Youtube because the address, but I'm sure, can search for that. If you to see it when the mosquitoes thing bongo, banjo and Irving dip it off when they cited the honey bees and said they had enough competition already and all this is fortunate honeybee gas, but it leads to this on question ginger or Marianne Ginger dances? Marianne Marianne, I say MRS Hell sicker central buddy. I came out as I, that is an eternal question- she's, Louis Grech, she's issues, older workers, whose experience argued Mary into them I think, ultimately, in the long run. Definitely Marianne, although growing up as a young Baptist, it was very conflicting. It's the

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