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One meal Venus actually funny enough, like honestly that had not opt in my head, and now I will be able to get it out. The thanks, I thought of you yesterday. I was someone some. even if it was it was this one is dumb. Facebook posts that comes in your feed said all it said was. Now. The final count down by Europe is in your head. because, like you that Josh allow that amazing that the catch your song of all tat, it was pretty funny. It's great, so check were doomed Venus and I was like skimming. The house have worked site looking for articles and I started this I saw this one article about how venuses some starting to get some love again from the space agencies and how little we actually know about it. Just like this, you know I've never done. I'm Venus. We not usually do planet yet may we should eventually do all the planet's you're over time, but this is a pretty good places.

because the more I dug intravenous tomorrow's like this is one of the most interesting planets of all time. Actually yeah. You know it's described in this article that you put together as a hell, scape enemies to hit me to it. It's wow you old, Melton Boil. If you get near it or been destroyed, you won't even get near. It goes. The sulphuric acid in the clouds will destroy you, yeah your teeth yeah. So it's like not not a hospitable place, but possibly once was yeah, which makes the whole thing more compelling. It wasn't always like this. You know it's like the mom, What's eating Gilbert Grape, she see some. As a Juliet Louis and says I wasn't always like this and Juliet losers. I wasn't always like this. It's just like that. It is basically except in a planetary scale year, and I think the cool thing about being a sewage we can put a pin in this. But we were starting to get

more interesting Venus now, because it could offer a peak into our own bleak future as a plan in yes, just like you said, put opinion there in smoke it in your head right come so it's weird they venuses this house gave another. We understand it because it's it's a very ancient planet as far as human consciousness of it goes because it is so bright decisively. The third brightest object in the sky after the sun Moon tents comes Venus, I'm so like humans have been able to see it long before we had anything like telescopes or anything like that. In fact, as far back as I think sixteen sixty BC ear, the sixteen hundred BC, the Babylonians were tracking and they call the Ishtar after the goddess of love and war after the movie and they are yet then they would say it is sharp black, and then someone go hey it's not as bad as everyone says that pursuing shouted down and then the whole cycle would start over again.

went by quite a few different names. It was Ishtar they'd that you know before that. when is the Greeks came along? They thought it was actually two different stars, so it was known as both vesper the evening star in Lucifer or phosphorus the morning. Star and then eventually Pythagoras said it's just star everyone, and can we settle on a name and the hellenes Greek said about Aphrodite and then, of course, whence came along said no we call it Venus. That's right! That's where we ve sidled, because the key west our world is model done the roman world. I guess but Venus the idea that it is this feminine planet that it has to do with love, of ambiguity really is in stark contrast to how we understand it today, since we we did start really exploring in the nineteen sixties, but even still, if you, if you look at some of the details of these,

is that had been named by people? Apparently, almost all of the features on Venus are named after women like there's a crater, named after a cog away there. Can you named after Diana the roman goddess of the hunt? So it's it's all about feminine beauty, but it's also like this crazy health cape that'll make a t, fall out and burn you alive. So it's a real paradox in turn. You know monotony totally, It is the second planet from the sun which is made Venus our little neighbour and which also means that if venuses getting sunlight, it's getting that light a couple of minutes before we do, I love it is terrestrial. So it's made of rocks and solid things, as opposed to being like aghast planet like that, bitter and Saturn and theirs the boundary between the surface of the planet in the atmosphere so it is like earth in some ways, but also not

earth in whole waterways. Well, it mean it is often called earth twin and then sometimes earth toxic twin. I think that's an Aerosmith reference by it. Because it is closer to the sun than we are at one one planet in its orbit actually is between us and the sun. It falls Then our orbit around the sun, which means that to us here on earth Venus seems to have phases like the moon. Does we just call the attic Galilee figure that out and sixteen ten Galileo here in Europe. its name basis you here and I go away about, like veil them out of jail once he's gone, galley yeah or Gigi when Venus is on the opposite side of the silence and full phase, and then It looks like it's in the new phase when it's between the earth in the sun, yet

whence awhile are alignment with Venus in the sun is like a perfect wine, and it just happened in Toulouse and twelve, and I do not think I bother to look at a rubber looking, but the next time it's gonna happen is twenty one. Seventeen, and unless aging researchers really have some sort of breakthrough, I'm not gonna be around to see you didn't look, and you call yourself a friend of galley of genes, I know you ve, so disappointed. Cbs so disappointed into me come on just just to look into sky so Venus. Is they call it? The earth's twin further similarities, then not differences. Obviously, even though, like you said it's an evil twin, is about about this sides says about eighty percent of our mass, but is a perfect sphere, because it is slow roller, the earth's spins. Obviously, everyone knows very quickly, revolving once every day, every twenty two, almost every twenty four hours, exactly twenty four hours and fifty six minutes

which means, of course, that that syndrome, your person tropical motion, is gonna bulbs, vehicle you're so were technically an ellipse aid in shame, but Venus spins, very, very slowly once two hundred and forty three days days, that is, it spends on its axis. It's the slowest. spinner and our solar system. A really kind of perfect little sphere. Because of that yet doesn't produce that bulge cause it's so slow, the unsightly bulge, and also because of that same slow, spin, it has an iron corps

Morton mantle. A lot like earth does and it through that. What that that's, that rocky core them a metallic core earths magnetic field is produced, but it's also produce because a spin so fast. Well, even though it has the same kind of corn mantle that the earth does Venus been so slowly, it can produce a magnetic field. At least one. That's, not very strong. I think Venuses magnetic field is fifteen. Ten thousand seven percent the strength of earths magnetic field. They had nothing, nothing like you, try to use a magnet up their skin of ill treatment. your hand, dummy, don't even try and you're dead anyway, There's some pretty cool theories about some interesting aspects of Venus. one is in this, in theory, it is a fact. Venus has no moon, but one of the theories is that earth I used to orbit Venus but

Gravity will so strong. We just came in and said that's hours now will be taking that moon. I know a man and seeing that moon approach I too nowhere to be like melancholia you now am. I got that movie. I love that movies is yet recently. Not too recently. I mean I loved it too Where you can say I enjoyed it. Cassettes I exactly This article wants is called. It is some. I think it was totally large. Fine trigger is Campi and they were basically like everybody's taking large volunteer incorrectly like this is all he's. Like a great oak, joke. Sir, like this is all in jest and waters. I read that I was like a really sir. Do appreciate is stuff alot differently. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of it is films are tough to get through

tat the inside you. Where are you what a party that is when you realise that its like a joke, or at least as far as large, vice chairs, concerned? It's a joke like it? Definitely it's easier to taken watching. If we kind of funny in sums, but is that true or where they just sort of I don't know they. They had him quoted as saying yeah, you got me, but they made such a strong case. Then it's tough to tat did not see it. That way we can also need. I can dig it up and send it to your new mittens, really interesting. rights are no moon. Earth perhaps took the moon Another really interesting thing that has sprung a few different theories. Is that the ban awkward, spin of Venus relative to earth and this interesting in that sums? to say the year its backwards because it used to spin What's it to us the same, then it's down and stopped in spinning the other way, and we

tell this because it saw again they measured at sixteen years apart and At the end of that run, it spun six point five minutes slower, which is alive. Considering the earth rotation slows only by about one point: eight milliseconds every hundred years. So that's One theory. Others said it's not never did coding quote, spend backwards. It just got not a hand Lady agrees on its axis, though it looks backwards yet, like the planet got flipped upside down somehow and so to us. It looks like it spinning backwards, bedded, spinning the same way. It always has no legal. Ah, how are the planet get knocked upside down? Obviously It is a plan, a toy aid were meteor, or something like that striking at just the right body to hear a force that it flip the planet upside down. Another one is

the M that venuses atmosphere so thick how thick as it did so thick. He turned my line. It's possible. The sun can create gravitational tides, like tides in this atmosphere, and that these tides started sloshing back and forth at some point in gas. Do so warm, forceful and strong that they eventually flip the planet over I think this is really good start. How do you feel? I think it's pretty great actually, and I have one more fact I want to give our shock one about the the day relative to the year. Looked so You know how the day of Venus is two hundred forty three earth days. Yet this is a little bit of a head twister. Well, it turns out that Venus orbits the sun in two hundred and twenty five earth days, which means,

The venetian day is longer than the Venetian near. It is pretty amazing fact in and of itself for lacking, because Venus spins backward relative to the direction it orbits the sun, sunrise to like us as day night cycle from sunrise. The sunrise is actually only a hundred and seventeen earth days because the sun kind of catches up with Venus in its spin. So it's not a two hundred and forty three three days, dredge between sunrises, actually a hundred seventy there's, three big numbers. You need to remember for Venus DE night cycles. A hundred seventeen days in the year is two hundred twenty five day. But the day is two hundred and forty three days all relative to us of course. Well yeah I mean what else counts nothing so a minute ago, and I said, I think, we're off to a good start. I was kind of lying something felt missing, but now we're really off to a good start. I think so do me so we'll take it

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and when you go yeah. Take me with you deal I surface of Venus, lot of clues because you never were still trying to figure out. Innocent. Like you said it's getting more interesting to us. more recently, which is gonna go, but there our clues kind of everywhere. The surface of Venus is one clue that maybe some pretty big did happen, and it's sort of recent past, because venuses about the same age is earth is somewhere in the neighbourhood of four point: eight billion years old and- look at impact craters to sort of gauge how old a planet might be like how many things have hit it over time because they know about how often that might have

and you know these are good rough estimates, but look at Venus. The crust of Venus basically looks like it's only a few hundred million years- so like maybe eight hundred million, maybe as little as a hundred and eighty million years old. So that is a big that, like yeah, something happened to kind of remake the surface of Venus at some point It is really really interesting. Yan I mean earth's crust. Is its younger than the planet itself by earth has plate tectonics, which you know basically is crust. Recycling yeah venuses have that, so it is significant that the crust is that much younger than the rest of the planet and its also made up mostly of basalt, which I think in the history of stuffy, should no thirteen. Your history is the first time I said it correctly right off the bat. Instead, our whether we used to say bays old or basil, they thought they saw a little sprinkle obey sought, but ice cream.

Is all day mix who saw a man so which is vault volcanic rock, which makes sense, because Venus has the most volcanoes of any plan at the source, some something like sixteen hundred the other thing I learned them. They might even still be active right now, so so a but it's weird that the crust would be that all it's like. Why would have you know all the volcano has been erupting at around the same time in such measure that it would have remained the entire the plan. It's a bitter had scratch or, as you say, it is the surface of Venus some huge mountain ranges. Some is eyes. Everest A couple of gigantic islands the size of Australia in South America, mention all those volcanoes which is just remarkable, like the most volcanic planet in our solar system for sure right, yeah. By far I mean, I think

Earth only has like fifteen hundred ninety seven. Would they have about the same gravity? Is we do here on earth, so you'd feel it The same weight but there's a little caviar there because of their debts. Atmosphere which we're gonna talk about a little bit more in a minute here, there's tons of this pressure. So if you were the way you would be alive and Venus, but if you happen to be wished to say, about ninety times the pressure they have here on earth, so it would be like you're about a full time Amateur down underwater into the ocean, which is kind of crushing out, like oh you be crushed like a tin, can naturally this I entirely true. I think, though, that diving, record is a little deeper than one kilometer rights or human can withstand it, but it's not the kind of thing you want to do and then, when you combine it with all the other issues that you ve got going on now that you're standing on Venus somehow that pressure would probably actually be the least of your work

like eagerly would be the he you'd have a lot of trouble with the he because the here's another fine fact for you. Mercury is the planet. That's cool as to the sun, its twenty three million miles closer to the sun them venuses. But Venus is the hardest planet in our solar system. She want for a second year, nettled I'll, be clear here in a second weakening. Dancing around it. But it's gonna be funds, just wait. But in the nineteen sixties we'll talk, also talked about the various sort of spacecraft that the USSR and NASA has Kennison up to explore. But the mariner too, recorded, did a little flyby, unrecorded surface temperatures, temperatures between three hundred and four hundred degrees, and it turns out that may be about half, I think recently they calculated it's probably like eight hundred and eighty degrees Fahrenheit, which basically will melt the almost anything

definitely aluminum zinc and lead for sure. Yeah. So it's super hot and its there's. A tremendous amount of pressure at surface level, And I read this article from: I think it might have been space they come or NASA. I'm not sure where you see both astronomer planetary scientists, Saint Kevin Mckendrick, said you can feel it's like. I'm Venus here on earth he too hot plate until a gloves red pleasure, on its surface and then run over that hand with the truck I didn't get. That quote, you saying is very hot and there is a tremendous amount of pressure I think one has waited at eight hundred eighty degrees, but I mean really, I think, when you reach a certain temperature in your place in european honour. I think red hot is that that that line where it's like after that doesn't gadget he was trying to be. You know, he's trying to appeal to the common person. I think so they they take an extra

ass. Her too now in planetary science, like other speakers there, like yeah norms. You know all right. So I guess we ve been dancing around like. Why is it so hard? If it's not as close to the sign is mercury, how can it be that much harder? The mercury and it is does Venus is a an environmental nightmare. Basically, in which is one reason? Why were little more interested now because it gives us a peak like I said to what could happened to us in a very long time, but it is It is a co2 nightmare on Venus. Yes, so Venus is locked into a runner what's collar runaway greenhouse effect in actually talked about it

in the end of the world, which often clark in natural existential risks episode, but the the kind of a broad strokes of it is that the greenhouse effect you, you want to have some degree of the greenhouse effect where you have a visible light coming in from the sun warming the planet and then the planet re releases. Some of that heat back through the M M is fear as infrared heat right and not all that gets remit it. Some of it is captured by greenhouse gases in the atmosphere,

This is actually like saying you you want to have. This is a benefit thing, because it it prevents wild temperature swings between day and night. There's a good and nice average temperature that you're going to keep throughout the day and throughout the night, because their atmosphere is acting like a blanket preventing all of the heat from reuse gaping. So you do want some greenhouse gas, but what venuses teaching us is it there's a there's, a point where you can, where you can reach this, this some point of no return where you're greenhouse gas greenhouse effect. It just goes haywire and becomes in gets locked into a positive feedback loop. There is positive only in the most academic sense of that term. In no way is it a good thing, at least as far as life or habitability, yeah and Venus hit this tipping point a few hundred million years ago monsieur got really hot. They basically think the oceans literally boiled off, then

because there is to be make oceans in rivers in it, used to be what more earth like, but these and boiled off It turned the atmosphere into water vapor which just made the problem a lot worse cassettes. Another greenhouse gas this sort of accelerated this thing and then eventually that water vapor was broken apart by radiation from the sun by this ultraviolet radiation in all, hydrogen, escaped into space left behind oxygen. Running with that carbon in what you ve got is oh, what ninety six per cent carbon dioxide and no water vapor any atmosphere. No Enzo Earth has, I think, point zero four percent carbon dioxide, side in our atmosphere and we still are able to maintain like a healthy greenhouse gas effect yeah. So so the fact that there is a runaway greenhouse effect that seems to have made Venus into this house gave that it is

that's what kind of makes it a cautionary tale, or at least something that's worth, investigating much more deeply defined out like how did it reached this point like where was that tipping point, because you know here on earth were contributing atmospheric seo to more and more frequently things here: the burning of fossil fuels to say: ok, you know did it hit that point when it reached like an atmosphere of eighty percent carbonate, rider, point z, zero, eight, you know: what's the with the difference in it? really matters to us here on earth, because at some point the dig, the atmospheric concentration of co2 or other greenhouse gases becomes enough. That visible. I can come in infrared, he won't go back out and you ve got that that runaway effect that is locks it in your in big trouble. So we need to find that out in it's a good thing that people are so

You talk about exploring Venus now again for the first time in a while. Let me ask you a question. The end of the world, which I quote Josh Clark, is added able on Apple pie, cast a refund your bank ass. You know Chuck. As far as I know, where ever you fine pike ass, you can find the end of the world with Josh Clark, a ten part SIRI. They don't pull it like Netflix after their done with you. I don't think so I have a checks at all. While I did very dismayed now internationalists worries. If this kind of thing turns you on, then you can to that end, then, quite a few other way. So that we might all become extinct or of me just speaking for forty five minutes in a monotone turns you on and then been alive said Isabella. So that's it hot on Venus. That's why you know you would just melt if you manage to reach the surface of Venus, but wouldn't even managed to reach the surface of Venus because of that atmosphere

that we're talking about you talked about our teeth allowing nitrogen, the the, component of the atmosphere. Venuses sulphuric acid, We call battery acid, and yet it would in your teeth would be the least your problems, because you would your skin would burn your lungs would explode and These massive clouds blanket Venus, follow these lightning storms in sulphuric acid, and it's it's a literally like something out of a sigh fiametta me right and if up to this point, you like me to prepare for this, but the Venus member spins on its axis once every two hundred and forty three days at the venetian day, but the upper atmosphere so volatile. Yes, that is the clouds that make up

The upper atmosphere spin around the planet once every four days, they're. Moving that fast, faster than any tornado here on earth, I saw but then down below toward the surface the wizard like a few miles an hour so that difference in wind speed creates huge vortices, apparently there's a vortex that has not fallen apart. That's aid raging for a very long time now at the South Pole of Venus, and they don't foresee any time when it's going to stop so there's huge, lightning storms clouds surf sulphuric acid that form vertices in this atmosphere. That surface level is this? name servers pressure, the same pressure that you would find one kilometer down in earths, oceans, yet and then consider that, for you know, rebellion years. Venus was a lot like us, like I said it was habited it had, you know, is fairly temperate. Had oceans and rivers and streams and was kind of balmy, and it was this.

in House runaway greenhouse gas effect that that can have made it This house, gaping, like I said, is a bigger and we're going. Maybe we should look into Mars, but also look into Venus. Yeah. So I don't know this. But there is another space tat come article. It did a good job cannon, chronicling some of the lake, the history of exploring Venus Nino growing up as a cold war sky kid they didn't tell us like. Oh by the way, the Soviets just had a great breakthrough on visa, the other day, less tell you all about it. I dont remember hearing any of this stuff. Do you know, but I think that's a great little dramatic teaser. Ok, so a single message. Breakin will tell you what the with the risks

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They were intervene as they were when they were checked it out with pretty decent regularity through the van era in Vega programmes. in some of these milestones that they hit, or some other like four. Milestones into space exploration period, not only for Venus in sixty seven October. Seven veneer, for was the first point, to ever, Beam data back from another planet, from the atmosphere, but another planet, and that's when they said woe Super out has very thick eight russian. It was a good now They think of an error. Four technically did make a hard landing. The parachutes, of course, melted him this thing actually transmitted data for about twenty minutes. With photographs before you know it. It melted into nothing and then a few years after that, the narrow, seven had the first

off landing on any play other than Earth their first in in visiting our solar system. before we did stuff like that yeah I did not realize it, but apparently venuses the first planet. and he's ever visited, which is pretty cool, I'm not per Finally, but you know we sent some some machines up. There is our emissaries Yonah right in nineteen eighteen Vanessa. Thirteen recorded the first ever audio on the service of another planet, which is pretty cool vaguer one in two missions in the mid eighties deployed balloon loans in the atmosphere to make measurements. So What we know about Venus came from these early soviet explorations, but I like that, you know the United States has completely ignored Venus. We did have some interest in and I think we had the first ever fly by of Venus with our mariner to probe back in nineteen.

Sixty two. I believe gear. That was the one I mentioned earlier, that recorded what what seems like half accurate temperature, Yoda Venus, also the mariner five and the mariner ten in sixty seven and seventy four, and then we started to get a little more intense with it within seventy eight. We learn an orbit her and in a multi probe the pioneer Venus orator and the Pv Multi probe, and I think the multi probe sent for different things before entry crap into the atmosphere in December and then the orbit her. You know its thing it orbit it kind of studied, studied things from a safer distance until nineteen. Ninety two yeah, so we're getting some

that's fine Venus, but then it is kind of went away. We stop them. We stop researching it actually after Magellan, which has launched the nineteen eighty nine from the space shuttle which, by the way I was reading like official accident report on the Columbia Elam Crash, and it is just its jarring. But it's amazing what this you know: scientific explanation of it really dry technical stuff, bright. Still like really jog your imagination and kind of puts you like in in the catastrophe, even though they don't seem to be trying to adjust for some reason it really kind of getting the railway is allowed. After us online yeah yeah, it's like this. You know four hundred page doc. in about what exactly went wrong exactly wind down, do you know, I think, maybe there that does the second, if not the milliseconds

he's merely really they really dug into it. I still, however, saw that a documentary it still out there can adjust its stirring. It's gonna, just knock ianu by heavy seem twelve years a slave, yet No I know, are you gonna do that? One year you have you have homework. This is so we I know, but anyway As I was saying, Magellan was launched from the space shuttle, one thousand nine hundred and eighty nine, and it was kind of hanging out monitoring Venus until ninety four, then after that and even kind of low, before that, just the focus on Venus can assert did die in no small part because of the class so the Soviet Union right yeah, I mean they were, they were way more into it into it than we were. And then you know that collapsed and so a lot of that stuff stopped. NASA said you know it- you get a lot more out Here-

exploration dollar by going to Mars, because it's it's you? more hospitable than venuses, and so we can use robots and now you know with Mars landers and is just amazing like the stuff that bring back from Mars yesterday yeah but is resolving some sort of like cast aside because it's just it it's tough it that veneer thirteen in He too has the heard for the longest man made object ever on Venus, and that was two hours before it melted nets. and that's a lotta dough to sink into something that you know like and you know that was when eighty two wicked I'm sure we can get something up. Therefore, for more hours than that now, but a measure how much longer, nobody

need to figure it out and the only way to figure it out. It's a start going back there right into so we are think this. This month June, two thousand and twenty one NASA said: hey everybody get! This we've got two visits planned to missions planned for Venus by twenty thirty there's. The VERITAS mission, which has a bunch of different scientific instruments named and its name, is a big acronym, there's also Davinci plus three sounds like a new streaming service. Spare, maybe Pds and they're, both going to be going by two thousand and thirty, but it's not just the United States who has its eyes trained on her sights trained on on Venus Europe. The ESA has a Venus program in the works. India does as well. Russia does as well and there's a private company called rocket lab. It's going to be sending something up there by two thousand and twenty three

venuses, literally hot right now it is. I have been in the news- and I think the dimension helped the old House of works website that we worked for had a really recent article on this right like why we were put out around that's what initially caught my attention about it. Ok did you, The thing, though, also there is a big a big to do. I think, in June of twenty twenty rarely sometime in twenty twenty, there is a bunch of press on Venus, because some british richer researchers said hey. We were examining their the venetian atmosphere with radio telescope and we ve.

found Bio signature fast, fiend erase it. What are you talking about in this? You know really took it out, so they wrote this paper and it does make kind of sense to an extent that that you might find life at some poor. Some like point in the venetian atmosphere, because parts of it are you know the same temperature and in air pressure as you'd find on earth but it also just make zero sense, because it just so in hospitable to Vienna yeah I mean it would have to have really evolved to be able to survive and again may be possible. But then some other scientists came along as they know they smell something rotten and they said. Let me see those papers, They looked him over and they said you know what we're not gonna say. This is wrong and also to falsify this and say this is definitely wrong, but maybe you might have gotten this confused with sulphur diet, side instead of phosphates because they

chemicals both absorb radio waves at a similar frequency, and ever what sort of has made this mistake at some point Thirdly, mistake you he shouldn't field too bad, but it's probably saw dioxide. It makes a lot more sense, but like it like, I said they didn't definitely Jude it down, and I think it just Pete everyone's interested gonna get we again and with these you know these ready, telescopes, we can finally I think, for a long time we couldn't even see anything at all because of the telescopes that we had right, yeah, it's just blanketed by the super thick atmosphere that, like can't even penetrate any longer, it's so now that we have radio telescopes. We can see a lot more clearly into it, but yeah we're just on the very beginning costs, but starting to study it, and it is possible that there is that there was a bio signature in the Brits, didn't get it wrong because we'd have to be a low oxygen like

Aerobics type of life, and that that's exactly the kind of thumb organism that produces phosphates. So it's not like. It's been sidled like you're saying, but the yeah Its tantalizing, you know just in in addition to learning more about Venus and maybe the the lessons it can teach us about what we need to do or not do here on earth. The idea that maybe there's some weird Randal life's whirling around hundreds of miles an hour in the venetian atmosphere. Just it's like hell. It's let's go check Venus out now I feel I can never hear about space programmes from me. Other countries, except for alike China, the U S, and then the Soviet Union yeah? I other area around the Brits, export airspace, with the USA. I believe they did. I get together Think so and then yeah India has its own programme now to that's pretty ambitious as well. So what about you

and they ve space programme. Yet they have a space program. I don't remember what it's called, but they definitely do let us allow more collaboration in there used to be during the cold war for years in the future, because we're trying to solve global problems here and you know Venus- might hold the key to some of those yeah. It's it's are Venus. It's our fire with our desire that right, you gotta go listen to Venus as a boy to you're going to love. It there's also Venus Infer fur velvet underground. in Venus. I can come up with a good luck Let us not forget the really beat it out. Marty if you Bob knew her would have finished the joke as while never feel his shoes If you are no more about Venus, Wolden does look skyward and see what you think

and maybe do little research too, while you're at it and since I said, look skyward. That means it's time for listener: mail. I'm gonna call this Pox military follow up because we heard from quite you military members already, and that was in our real time. It was just released earlier today from US service people who were quite far fond of the little pog currency that they had of it. A long time listener guys led the show just listen to the absurd and thought it right in. I was in the air for British, I've a decade when you mention the Armenia force, exchange services, pods and it brought me back said, asian coins. They would give you these pods exchange. So if you bought something for zero dollars and ninety five cents, the cashier would give you a zero dollars and five cents pog. Subsequently, if you bought something for ninety three They would still give you a five cent pog, because there were no one cent pugs, rounded down. I guess it's gonna be cheap

so you had frequently lose money on those transactions. I remember being frustrated. I first experience this If I remember correctly there being only five ten and twenty five cent pugs, that's all I saw yeah five cents and twentys. I remember having stacks and stacks of these parts while oversee and I rendered them completely worthless. Looking back and shook it about a dollar worth of power. In exchange for real. U S, currency, but the thought never crossed my mind. I think they owe me some money I wish I would have remembered my pog days. I was also way into parts in the nineties. Is that we have been a good way to pass the time while over there, thanks for always being on my our commute to work for the two days tuesdays Thursday's Thursdays every week p s my family was moving recently and I was going to an old box of my things and and a loan pog with Maggie Simpson on it nice.

not sure why decided to keep that when, after all these years, but I did- and that is from jeff- that's an awesome, email Jeff thanks a lot for thou. Agreed if you want to get in touch with us, like Jeff, didn't tell us about the pog you found or what your tour of duty was like, or anything like that. You get in touch with those. The email at stuff Pike Did I hurt radio doc stuff you should know, is a production of I radio from our past My heart radio visit that hurt radio apple had passed. Wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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