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the by partisan background checks, act of twenty twenty one. It is a bill that originated in the house in the united states. To try and close. Loopholes on gun purchase, background checks. And we thought this might be a good way to dip into the gun debate. After the events it you ve already, and here we go yeah the the uvalde shooting is definitely few paid. Any attention was over to the news really kind of breathes some energy into the concept of back one checks in some bills that were already out there, like that h, r, eight m, the the bipartisan background checks act of twenty twenty one was introduced in march and all of a sudden it seems like it's got some legs like it didn't have before, because of that, shooting which is surprising to me chuck because liquid, we didn't do anything after

the hook. Somehow I don't know. Maybe too is too many now who knows, but it does seem like this. I guess this kind of shifted after you ve already yeah. I think so. Just nuts and bolts of the bill that passed, the us house, like you, said last march, two hundred and twenty seven, two thousand two hundred and three but of course died in the senate. So many bills do because it get we'll bustard by the republican party, and they want even talk about it and there's a fifty fifty chamber right now. We want to think Patrick tiger at house of works for this, for this newsy article again and you know Democrats wanted do. I think they were hopeful that they could at least put it on the senate democrats on the legislative calendar. That has not happened. but let's talk for a minute on how people, by guns, in the? U S, a a soul.

When you buy a gun, especially if you buy a gun from a federally licence gun dealer. They say here fill out this form and this form is submitted to the national instinct criminal background checks system, and it has a bunch of different questions. I the personal questions, but they make sense when you're buying a gun. In that context they say: have you ever been indicted for a felony? Have you ever been convicted of a felony and have you ever used drugs? What have you ever been committed to a mental institution by a court order or have you ever been dishonorably discharged by the military? Have you been convicted of domestic work, What are you a legal residents? The? U s, Unifil, us out? and the firearms dealers going to turn around contact. The fbi's and I see a service and they're going to run a background check on you, that's right and see if everything checks out and if you are eligible to buy that gun. This was created

eighteen. Ninety three with the brady hand, gun violence prevention act, because if we I remember after Ronald reagan, Hedda assassination, the attempt on his life? There was gun legislation and they actually did something back then about it, including ronald reagan and republicans well yeah, because Brady was one of his staffers and he was paralyzed as a result of that the assassination attempt and so any any gun, control legislation that came after that usually bears his name. That's right. We are in a different place, these days, it's a different republican party and save your emails were not just picking on one party over the other. This is just straight up. Facts on how these bills go down. a lot of people and eventually we're gonna get around to an interim episode in full. I guess, the people will not a lot

people will blame me and our aid, but I personally believe- and I've seen articles sort of backing this up these days- that, like that, areas already sorted done its job and even if they went away completely things would still be about the same, because what they have korea, It is innovation, where the more modern arup Republican who might be in favour of common sense, gun legislation that anywhere from six Ninety percent of americans are in favour of won't even consider this legislation, because the want to hold on to office because they will get primary out by a further right Republican says. I would not touch any gun legislation so vote for me and that's kind of where we are today yet so to back the background checks like that, and I

he service started and ninety ninety eight there just wasn't background checks before then and since then they done three hundred million plus background checks, forgone purchases so that means that at least three hundred million guns have been sold. The chittim ITALY, since one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight in the us and that others, three hundred million chuck one point- five million- were flagged and were denied that the ability to purchase that firearm because they didn't pass the nics back back and so on the one side, a lot of people say one point: five million under three hundred, that's pretty good math, the other side they say yeah, like a bunch of that one point: five People were denied unfairly. There was a It was ungrounded. There is a process too failure: denial if you are actually denied, but the point is if society is saying there are certain kinds of people that we don't trust.

it's firearms and we're trying to root them out in the best place to root them out is when they go to buy a gun. It makes sense, but there's a loophole to this- that is so huge that anybody, including convicted felons, can walk right through it and purchase a gun. On the other side, that's right. We're going to take a break. What, if you were a trendy apparel company facing an avalanche of demand to ensure more customers can buy more the now, your systems monitor themselves what used to take hours takes minutes, and you have any commerce platform designed to handle sudden spikes in overall demand, as in actual overalls

goblin technologist and india and customers all on different systems need to pull together, and so you calling ibm and read have to create an open, hybrid cloud playful now, data is available anywhere securely and your digital transformation is helping find new ways to unlock energy around the world. The treaty- every cloud tat can change in industry ibm, let's creed, learn more at ibm, dot, com, the alright loophole is that there is blood of grey area of what constitutes licensed or a non licensed gun dealer they talk about occasional sales or purchases being exempt from the background check requirement, and there is no real, clear lines:

abolishing what that even means. It's a rule of thumb. It's very vague that someone who just cells, a lotta guns and they want to make their living selling guns or make a profit sewing guns and yet not even make a living make a profit sewing. Guns has to be licensed to conduct these background checks, but you ve heard of Gun shows in the internet, and things like that, if you so guns at a gun show you can claim to not be like a you know, like I'm, just an occasional seller. I just go to these gun chosen, so tons and tons of guns for profit right and that in a

allows people to walk in there and buy a gun without having any kind of background check yeah. So if you sell guns, you're still selling a gun, but if you say I only do it occasionally, the government basically has to say: okay. Well, you you don't need a license and there's no requisite. There's no definition. There's no, like you said it's a very gray area on what constitutes occasional or what hoover, who is required to have a federal license. But if you aren't a federally licensed gun, That means that you can go, sell a gun without doing a background check right and in twenty fifteen. That's the. the reason that we have the estimated twenty two percent of gun owners bought their weapon within the previous couple of years, without going through a background check, it is undoubtedly bigger now, because whenever there are mass shootings, there is a rush on buying guns in the united states, people don't

off from buying them, they buy more of them. So I dont know the percentages now. But if, even if we go a twenty two percent, a lot of people buying guns without a background check right. So if Europe, person who you know that you are going to be like you're, going to be flagged by the end. I see a background check. All you have to do is find We solved the gun, show or go on the internet and find somebody who's selling guns on the internet and buy from an unlicensed firearm dealer and that that ends up in, like I said like with background checks, were saying, society doesn't want certain people to have we don't we don't trust them with firearms in one of the people are again convicted felons they're not legally allowed to own a firearm in the united states after they ve been convicted of a felony, unless I believe that their they are granted clemency by the president or the governor right. So

there is a kind of unnerving stat, then that that ties in that net is that in that same two thousand fifteen annals of internal medicine study. They found it ninety six percent of prison inmates who had been previously prohibited from owning a gun and that that was the gun that they use in the crime that they were imprisoned. For now they obtain that gun from an unlicensed seller, and that is a big problem. For every law, abiding citizen of these united states right and every abiding gunnar frankly their citizens to that right if you are a if you're thinking like war, there should be exceptions to this, like you should be able to your gun down to your child. If you're, a hunter orb sell your gun to your uncle, if the, instead of them having to go what gun shop, they can do that, they have carved out some exceptions in h, r, eight that still hasn't passed

while enforcement obviously could transfer guns without background checks, a family members could give them to family members or sell the family members you get inherit again. at a background check or like in the movies. If the zombies are coming in you throw somebody the gun and they go on how to use this thing. They say just pointed at them and squeezed the trigger you can even do that and not have to you no face a penalty, as long as after the zombies are, are killed off. They say: here's your gun back right, because anybody can agree this He's will get you in your brain during the background check processes, not that fast, so they carved out, especially if there's a And a waiting period, which is another house bill that might be voted on in the Senate soon, along with hr, eight right,

This is not and when it comes to polling the american public, this isn't something where it's like. Oh it's like fifty four per cent to forty six percent in favor of a poll after poor comes in April. Twenty twenty one canopy act, university Paul! Can it be actually pronounce? It came out to see the quarterback cannot bank at the wheel. Pulse it's one of those for sure. Eighty nine percent of americans favoured you. her soul or nearly universal background checks, twenty When poland march from morning consult was eighty four percent, including seventy seven, percent of voting republicans and then a twenty eighteen gallup poll, the criminal, the cream of balls, sure found that americans favoured mandatory background checks by ninety two percent to seven percent role of our elected officials is supposedly to act on their constituents. Desires

But again, this is not happening because of the things that I mentioned earlier. No and again, I think you really bears repeating, there's nothing about closing. The gun show loophole for background checks, that is taking guns from people who have guns preventing legal law abiding citizens from buying as many guns as they want under the law. It simply saying we're going to shut down this huge loophole that allows people who shouldn't have guns to go by once and as many as they like, and yet that's just common sense that extremely mainstream thinking and it doesn't violate the constitutional rights being given by the second moment in any way, shape or form, and again it has the backing of the public. And so again it's a gets about two.

oh die in public. They actually tied a blindfold around and gave it a last cigarette is their shoving it out into the senate, and it's just not going to go anywhere, but Joe mansion apparently was quoted as saying he. He believes that the you ve, all the shooting is going to is going to impel the senate to actually start cutting deals and that something will past, even if it's not exactly hr. Eight, I am I'm reading this on of our legal service and there are by partisan talks that seem promising. So we'll see I mean I read some someone in congress was quoted. saying, like I've, been here for many years, and I've never seen this. This genuine barb bipartisan conversation about this in my life and my whole career, so it does feel like things might be a little different now, but you will see its also possible. Nothing will change again

I know it's hard to even talk about quite honestly, and I don't think anyone is full enough to think that this the other guns, installation laws will completely stops like a mass shooting or in gun violence. But it is something that can help curb these horrific acts and these these people in the senate will have to live with themselves for the rest of their lives. If they continue to sit on their hands for sure great, we got anything else chuck nothing wasn't shook said nothing shortstop is out. Stuff, you should know, is the production of heart radio. From our past, my heart. Is it that I heard radio out apple had passed over every listen to your favorite show the.