I to shorts to find Josh, there's chuck there still of, of course, this short stuff short stuff. Now, Sir Joshua question for you, Ok, I know that every time we go to Chicago you're always like this is creepy his place of ever been. It feels haunted, forget New Orleans right, forget other creepy places this Chicago is the scariest place on her right. I do say that, and you know it after listening to the story, you might be right: yeah yeah it is surprising town like that's kind of where the dunes murders started. That's where the Tylenol murders were cargo at his realises, the third one, her yeah

at the very least at the very least, and in fact, part of this. This episode takes place in Edgewater Hospital which look up abandoned edge the hospital there's like fifty pictures of that one of abandoned hospital- oh my gosh, the best and I think those abandon, maybe in the nice, is like this. This empty abandoned hospital in a high rise, but it's where Hilary Clay was born and where John Wayne Gacy was born really yeah, but by the threat mates I don't know I don't. I didn't go to the trouble checking out their ages to see how far apart they were, but would be weird has the outright linked them together. Eventually, if not they will now. We just gave him a little piece of earth red with no but will look into it. So this Edgewater Hospital there's a woman named terrorists, Basa who work there and she was forty seven shoes Filipino.

Apparently she was a well to do Filipino aristocrat Ex Pat, who lived America and worked as a respiratory therapist nurse in Edgewater Hospital and she lived in Chicago in Chicago Proper, not in the suburbs and one day she is discovered in her apartment. Under a smouldering pile of clothing naked with a kitchen nice sticking out of her chest, she'd been murdered, I think the fire department founder and they were really surprised with what they found yet was pretty routine call for them of an apartment fire on February. Second, seventy seven and under like you said, under the under a mattress, the lowest, it's right, a clear murder, because the of that kitchen knife sticking out of her chest right am, I was an act of an accident. Assure you stab yourself in the chest and then set year, your clothing

fire under a mattress it. It would have been an accident right, so this is some, unfortunately, it it just goes on soft there's like six months in these detectives who are working the case. They try out every lead. They, sir doing some investigating they find. You know maybe maybe there are people who want or dead. Nobody had the right motive or opportunity. There is no good suspect and they reached a total dead end within six months. That's right- so detective, Joe stature of homicide came in one day, but six months later saw a note on his desk. That said, call the Evanston Police Department right about the charity to basic case. He called Evanston and they said hey. You need to call Doktor Jose Joshua in Skokie and he said, could they have just put that on the note? I think it s me a phone call right and they didn't. We wanted you to know. I came from us right so

Skokie Illinois, which always reminds me of the usual suspects. Definitely does it do you two barbershop quartet, rightly Skokie Illinois, they went to see Doktor Joe Jose we Congo to who was also filipino as well yeah and they interview them, and he said a weird thing has happened here: my wife gush thirty, eight years old, she is gone into trances three different times saying and tag log that she is terrorists, EDA Basa and she needs help sobbing her murder.

And here's, who did it right, which is very, very weird and any kind of something that you are probably ignore. Specially. If you got a call from somebody saying yeah, my wife when a trance answer that she's a murder victim. But there were two things going on here: one statue LE and his partner had reached a total debt and in this case, in really any led was worth pursuing at this point right and then to not only had the the doctors wife, what is it? Roma Basa? No, Romania's Remigius remedial Tewa doktor, Jose. She was wife,

Not only had she said that she was a murder victim, she named the murderer, and she also say here that the murderer had been in terraces apartment and had stolen things from it and that some of that stolen goods were jewelry that he had given to his girlfriend. So the fact that, like this voice from the grave, was saying that she was a murder victim and also saying who did it and what they did? The jewelry there was enough apparently, to convince the detectives to follow upon it and not only that before we take our little break, she the names of people who could identify this jewelry and telephone numbers of those people, which is nuts gear runs American Basa, Richard Passivity and re kings.

And that's not even the murderer. So that's a pretty good set up. I think we'll take a break and will tell you what happened right after this terrible puzzled by asking hey, you guys heard the new show little fires everywhere, well Academy, Lord, when Aris, Witherspoon and gone Globe Nominee carry Washington both star in and executive produced. This eight episode, limited Series is only available on Hulu. The whole thing is set in the very effluent Cleveland Suburb, Shaker Heights, and it's about the intertwined fates.

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all right, so she says in these trances entangled work that she is this murdered woman tourists Thirdly, to boss this guy broke into my house who works at my hospital as respiratory technician. Yeah. He comes into ostensibly fix a television murders. Steals my jewelry. That was given me in France. As a gift from my father to my mom. He stole the stuff, here's a people that can verify here their phone numbers they decide to investigate and it checks out it checks out. That's the crazy thing,

That's the crazy detectives start looking into this, and there like there is this man named Alan Showery and he did work with terrorists Basa. So let's go visit him and went to because she named him. We ve got across right right. She said our showery killed me right that this woman in the train- This man, Alan Showery, was my murderer. Yes, so the detect and she gave enough information detectors, followed up on it. They went to visit challenge, Hurry and they they said hey. Will you come down to the station with us and he went with them voluntarily, which is very important, as will see in a minute and they started interview.

Him about terrorists, bosses, murder. Apparently they write him his rights. They did everything by the book. They didn't arrest him or anything like that, but he started answering questions down at the station and the more questions he answered. The more they started to suspect that he was lying because there actually catching him and lies in contradictions and things like that and eventually he admitted to having gone to her apartment, tell per fixed the tv but that she had called in cancelled before he got there. So we went home instead, while the second thing they did was they went to his apartment and talk to his girlfriend and said: hey has your boyfriend, given you any jewelry recently civil yea gave me this pendant in this room.

Is awake. Christmas present an dumb, I love them, don't they just look divine the late Christmas present and the detectives say? Well, yes, it does look very nice, but can we see these things are take pictures of mount of? They took him from her and they had to recede bosses, relatives that had been named apparently by Raymie Tewa to come down and look. These are the jewelry and say yes, your nay whether was terraces and they said yea. This is remarkable, so this is our ploughing ahead. He is arrested and charged there. They pray a trial hearing. He went, he confessed, oh yeah, so Investigators go to trial, shirt right, so they have a trial hearing on a motion from the assistant public defender, William Swallow, and he said you know what there's no probable. Here they got a call about a trance that I think this woman.

Baked and that arrest was illegal to begin with because they, like probable, cause, Never to my knowledge quote. Never to my knowledge is a man been arrested because of a supernatural vision, right, LISA never been informed of the criminals name by a voice from the grave and the judge judgment, except until now, because ass exactly what happened dude, The judges upheld it in this hearing to throw out the entire arrest because again Chuck like we're, regardless of whether this trance was terrified Abbasid possessing Raymie Tewa, regardless of what you think of that in the annals of american justice. There is a case where a man was arrested because of strictly because of a tip the detectives received from a woman claiming to have been possess. By the murder victim that happened. Yet- and the judge said, I see no reason to restrict the investigatory power of the police weather

believe the voices are not. They had to check it out and that Sort of the party line, which is like him it doesn't matter if a dog came out. PETE out a name on the street like they went to this, his house- and he did it, hurt so like who cares? That was basically the whole. The whole thing like they are because the police followed proper procedure because they, some of his rights, because Alan Showery went with them a voluntarily in answer their questions voluntarily and the fact that he confessed like all of this. It doesn't matter as far as the laws concerned, whether terrorist cedar Basa possessed remit you're, not they. They followed procedure and they followed upon this tip. And so there is a trial and during the trial Alan Shower evil they looked like he might get off. There was a mistrial in fact, but then he surprised everybody.

While he was awaiting a new trial, he played guilty near and didn't get a second trial and instead was given something like fourteen years for the murder and then for years, each for robbery and arson, but still he only served. I think something like five near which is crazy to in and of itself. It is crazy, but he was caught strictly because of that call from from Raymie choose husband, Doktor, Jose too, and so now you have to go back How much of this is true, and apparently everything we ve said is true. Me verified that there were reports done on it that thing about that hearing that was from Washington, Post Erika we found from nineteen. Seventy eight, I believe.

This is all true that no one came out later and said you know my wife's actually an amateur investigator and she thought it'd be kind of fun to solve this case and then present it and wrap it in the enticing book jacket of a trance what what Thea? I think we found some guy in a story from Chicago wrote, a post about it and he kind of captured what I want. I suspect one thing that gets left out very frequently that Raymie Tewa was a coworker very around of re yeah of terror seed, a boss. I went to ready at her apartment, so new where she lived and then also new, Alan Showery was actually scared, valid Showery Sonya. This historian posits that she was actually so afraid of coming forward, but so overcome by the guilt of keeping this this. This thought to our sorrow that it came out there that it just came out like that and that make essence it would. It would be more culturally acceptable to do that. Then too,

the inner just keep it to yourself. That's where the transfer from that she somehow wired. All this knowledge, if that's the case that still pretty interesting to empty, could have been sleep walking and talking church, which appears like a trance but either way it's all pretty remarkable. It is pretty room. But one of the most remarkable cases in american law enforcement and justice, and that's why we dedicated twelve minutes do more than that man, thirteen and a half. Maybe that's it fur, this short stuff right! that's right, should step away. Study should know its production of I hurt. Radios has two works for more podcast, my heart, radio, I heard radio apple podcast wherever you listen to your favorite, shows.