There was a time when the lower classes of the American South were considered lazy and dimwitted, a stereotype that still somewhat survives today. But this stereotype was rooted in fact. Hookworms, it turns out, were sapping Southerners’ life force.
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The Pakistan Josh clerk. There's gotta be checked by those Jerry role is that we should not fear chagos. She ran away.
Nine years I knew that would happen eventually. Yet she had a little bundle sack over her shoulder and youth barefoot
it is dangerous theory. There was a nice little set up. You might get what we call it the Dew ich yeah. Well, let's do it.
One of the ground Ich do it is way better than your out. It sure get little discomfort
webbing between your toes low scratchy. Maybe
A few days later, you like this. Is this actually foot now that and make a calf yeah plus? You know, I think, don't flatter yourself, that's what they would say and then you, Sir Coffin, a little bit in a few weeks after that you're just a big dope that can't lifted arm d go stand up and do anything.
You have hookworm ever they have it. Were you told as it
like you get worms and you're gonna. Ask me that is a girl,
So what do I mean? I was told there too
we're here in this real stuff. I remember being scared about Scully Otis
and I remember being scared about nuclear.
and that's about it
good razors and apples Halloween here, which is as we ve covered, not through any instance that happened. That happened because of the urban legend, not
the evening rise to near now. I never heard of this in what made you think you this by the way, I don't you like the parasite. I love parasites their interesting, especially this particular parasite, is. It turns out the hookworm might be the most interesting of all of the Paris civic worms here on planet earth. If you ask me well agreed because, as you will see the social context
other in United States of what the hookworm met over centuries never knew about it and it's pretty astounding and as someone
as long had to defend the south as not just a backward place with bunch dumb yokels, I'm disconnected from now on. I am scarcely hookworm. Look it up and listen to our episode and people right now gone. What in the world so small, it's gettin toilets, remove their the fog of curiosity and maybe irritation a little bit and start talking about hooker site. So we said you, it starts,
your foot yeah he's around worms. Yes, the type of roundworm nematode right, yet nematode, phylum
pretty young about four hundred million years old
and they have been described in this article. You said most commonly, as it is worse than the way they look as a tube within a tube here like a parasite,
and then one
and they have cutting plates the also called fangs or teeth athwart Emma parts and
Tracy Wilson would put it yes and dumb. They use those things for. Second blood is that they want you blurred, because they get nutrients from your blood and them,
then parasites yeah and they are, as is
we sourced? If you really great,
calls on this, but as one of em points out too, that a good parasite or a good hookworm doesn't want to kill you because, as it says in this article,
means the right is over. You write exactly. They want to keep you alive and lazy, so they can just keep reproducing and keep sucking on your blood for ever and ever never right and in a very large part,
Hookworms of co evolved with humans and they ve done so in a way that they get the MAC
I'm benefit out of infecting human. Yet without the people
killing the human and ending the ride for themselves right yet so
have four hundred million years to do it and there's two kinds of hookworms, mainly there's tons of hookworms like from one
the same just about every animal, every mammal has its own type of hookworm right. They dont infect cross animal typically in its two types of hookworms, their infects humans, specifically those that
U world, hookworm, Mercator American US very open minded and then the hairs tee, o whirl world hookworm
and so I stole my do. I dunno lay the less open minded right and so both of em thrive.
In warmer tropical
and the Americans in particular love.
Sandy low me soil- and it just so happens that in the American South, as just the kind of a climate to host an American
in its round. Yes, oh here's. What happens? We were gonna kidding around about Jerry Walkin, around barefoot, but Jerry's old, like me, and she growth in the south. We were all we all come from, sharecroppers sure and ha
outhouses, so here's what would happen all the way up until, like nineteen, eighty five, which is gonna distressing facility, you could walk round barefoot, as
Southern children were wont to do yeah, apparently the chances of year of being a kid with shoes, especially
the Rural South, yes like next to nothing up until that, maybe the fifties or sixties really yeah
so they were like we talked about the do the do it. She would walk round barefoot. These little guys would get between your toes Roy.
In your body through the feet, make their way to the blood vessels and start the voyage to the lungs. This is so it's a fantastic voyage, a hip offer them. It is yet like inner space yeah, but through the lungs. Finally, through the circulatory system to the lungs were eventually like, you said your at then he caught
with a dry cough and then he swallow it into your guide in the intestine? And that's when it's like this is where
to be all admit nuts. They go out through the foot circulatory system to the logs, make you can
Then you swallow them, then they finally get to the place where they're supposed to be the small untested,
latch on. They start second blurred
yeah and hookworms your interesting tapeworms or hermaphroditic, but hookworms
lot of round worms. They need to do it yeah. What's it like two who knows the people over both
the mood they have too in order to reproduce. So what you do is they get into debt intestine? They find a lover. They take a lever because gives me Robert land
They take a lover and then they attach themselves to the intestinal wall and say
here forever. In it I mean, after I've seen up to thirty thousand eggs a day right. The female wool will blame
thirty thousand fertilized eggs at any rate, and that's on the highest end by you know. Let's say the low understand them
right as the well and is a thousand is still a lot of Asia, and that's just one female weren't right. You can have dozens hundreds of these things. I found that the human can host up to about food,
five hundred worms and survive. You not living very fulfilling life now, as will see, but you you can
a number of these worms, all pumping out eggs and a worm typically lives better.
One in five years, in the comforts of your gut and
You can also be reinvested in here's. How I
So when the females are spreading out, a thousand
A thousand eggs. Take your pick on a daily basis, your pooping those eggs out here and if your poop,
in say like like by the bushes or in some sort of like outhouse
its eighteen, seventy five and West Virginia you dont have indoor plumbing right, I must say,
you're our houses and all that grey or you're just again pooping in the bushes
there, you are probably not wearing shoes here. Those two things usually go hand in hand and say you stepping in your old fecal material that still head eggs in it before
eggs have since hatched in larval larva, you have gone through the first two larval sages entered the third infective, larval state, and now it's crawling up into your foot again.
You're, what's called worm burden is expanded even further from one or two to ten twenty, two up to hundreds yeah, that's if you just accidently step and old people,
Whether it's like spread around by animals were
around or by the rain the chances of
exponentially more. If you have a good old fashioned, poops Lincoln Fight, you
You know you doin to him the mouth,
another problem that war was part of. The problem was that there was the second version of that. Even
was that people are using poop as fertilizer there. Now it's one thing again
can't really kids, I'm sure you can catch someone's. I know trick noses is a problem for humans and that's a pork worm credits by you, for you
using Say horse. Manure is relatively safe compared to using
human manure as fertilizer and your field yeah. That's a relatively recent discovery. People
You manures as fertilizer for very very, very long time, and it was called night soil because at night the guys would come out and clean near your privy out and walk the muck, your poop, your fecal material downs,
and collect more and collect more, and then they would turn it into fertilizer. They would say, release the night soil right before they dumped at exactly, and it would be further
I see that the great and make a crops grow, but it also just contaminate your entire field, Gareth Hookworms and then little kids who go out, work the field fuelless and they would become infected from that suits of their all these really great opportunities for people to become infected by hookworms thy great you mean
right, but there, the hookworm habitat, followed a certain
line from about West Virginia down too, I think, is Texas yeah.
Beneath that line. There was the hookworm belt,
called it and, above all, they used human manure firm fertilizer.
Two but didn't have hookworm, it was in the south of the hookworm was a problem and it is a big problem. It turned out
yeah! It just occurred to me. We walked right past, maybe the best banning of hot in here,
worm burden, oh yeah,
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All right so before we broke, we talked about what the hookworm is and all the different myriad ways which a good sign
from accidentally walking input to playing, invites nicer nights released the nights
rolling in it too.
Ultimate radically increase your worm burden, so you found this great art
were called how a worm gave the south a bad name here by
a woman named Rachel newer, its own Nova.
Yeah, I was really good and she is from the south and east
From that point of view- and I get the feeling like like me- she
It has long had to defend the American South as hey we're
bunch of dumb lazy yokels, because that was
you know for a long time and still can t
today to hear and agree astoundingly here that notion kind of exists that view from the South Caucasus
he may be less than wedded may be lazy, and this was enough for white folks, black folks native Americans yeah.
Do something about the south made. You lazy
especially among the lower socio economic classes, in this, wasn't just like off the cuff stereo typing,
It was rooted. In fact, in reality, there was something different about people
aware of the lower socio economic classes in the south, specifically, if you put them side by side among the same socio economic classes of
North Korea, the ones in the north it be like with shovels, some call baby and the ones in the south,
you like, I arms, is gonna. Let you down next to my wheelbarrow cause. I can't I can't get up and so southerners
What came to be seen as lazy shiftless couldn't be trusted to do it, honest day's work here and there
thought it was part of the southern character. Yet
wasn't just a perception.
Like they literally lad
behind the north in terms of productivity, economic development and walking. I will talk about some of these statistics as we go for puzzle
The more didn't help anything either. Well now that was obviously a big setback
right the way what is buried in the south, and it would have been for any region right.
Level of devastation and am death, but coupled with their all
a predisposition. To this that wasn't working.
We because the lazy germ was just said. It back even further
yeah one point in the American South up to forty percent
amazingly forty percent of the population, like you said from south eastern taxes
the West Virginia and all the way down was infected with hookworm. Yes, that's a lot of people.
Obviously, not a majority, almost majority that its development and southern he got the hook,
but forty percent? Let me that's a lot of folks. It is a lot of folks in TAT was the,
behind this lazy shiftlessness among the poverty stricken southern poor in the world. The poverty stricken
Earl. Southern poor was apparently the majority of the south from them
this of war up until the I believe, the mid nineties, mid twentieth century B, Europe, if you are a southerner,
It is likely that you are poor,
did not live in a city about authorities in theirs is a pretty
demarcation line. If you did, if you are wealthy and the south there you're lived in the city in the south in the nineteenth and twentyth early Twentyth century you wore shoes, you had bedpans,
and you could probably avoid this, but if you didn't like those of the forty percent date,
in this article that it was
impossible to avoid if you are poor and end lived in the south right
as you also didn't, have very good sanitation, now you're just it was this perfectly set up for you to keep getting re infected. You know every couple years, each shed a
hookworm, but in their time you Polly what had taken on several more our eye. So what does this mean? If you get hookworm likely said it's, it's likely not going to do
Equally kill you, you might die from a common cold. You might
die from malaria, typhoid fever, earth, and you know something else may ultimately take you out because your body so weakened, but what it does in law
part. Is it causes an iron deficiency yeah if you're
pregnant woman or a kid,
fishes he is really bad.
If your child, you need that iron for your brain development. So here you know. Not only would you get like physical symptoms like stomach blowed
What it! What was the year? The I thing like this: a fit the dull fishy stare, fishy I'd stay here: disorder like their basically described these kids sort of vacant right the staring off into space.
You know some of those are physical symptoms, but others were literally
a lower iq right, and so they they believed that an American us came over as
also, the Atlantic slave trade that it was imported from Africa. Yes, so for centuries
generations of kids were being
born in the south who have there. They were physically and developmentally stunted near by hookworm infections,
yeah, it does sometimes girls wouldn't begin. Menstruation
is. A lot of times would not even hit their growth spurt said, not only
where they had lowering
use and learning. You know development disabilities, but they were smaller and weaker
and then you combine this loss of blood to so apparent
about a hundred worms,
in a normal adult was drink about a teaspoon a day which doesn't sound like that much. But if you,
couple it that level of iron deficiency here with us
the existing male nourishment due to poverty,
lack of availability of like good food. Here then
becomes a huge problem. It goes from like this is a problem to this is this is a catastrophic problem. They can.
Entire region of a country down productivity, productively, yeah and like a lot of disease, we ve talked about whether
it's like famine or lack of clean water, it's cyclical nature, so,
would occur where there was poverty and then it would keep people from
working to work their way out of poverty right and it just kind of compounded on each other right and then think about slavery is well right. So not only have you been brought over to the? U S is a slave, you being forced to work against your will.
Or if it conditions, you're, also being forced
work and live in the same conditions that promotes hookworm, so you're feeling lazy, shiftless, TS free
Yet your slave add that to you
toil and misery right. You know I could just it just keeps getting worse all right. So I think we have made it clear.
Problem in the south. But again no one had any idea why? Yet it was just you know the lazy south. In its you know, people have said that it literally set yourself back like decades in decades from
rest of the country. Right. No one knows what's going on until nineteen o to this dude came along and they should it become a weird movie them
but this is a good movie. I think I think that this
of child. I often in hookworm too big, rollercoaster right
so nineteen o to this gunning, Charles Styles, comes along. He didn't zoologist from from New York City
educated in Europe. No less so he played real well in the South Korea which, as you see, I was a bit of part of the problem.
In the Department of Agriculture said pay, we need you to
these farmers down their keep their animals healthy to go down there and check things out and he was like he started. The notice he's like something's going on these people,
physically stunted level off the other mentally stunted, and I dont think they're just dumb and lazy, so
he started, apparently he sounds like when these guys it was just had
at the bottom of the something you know right like he wouldn't just say. You know a well everyone's right about powders. Down here, so he really stuck to his instinct and
realised that it was hookworm. Yet he literally was the guy who discovered that that was the problem exactly. I think he he did that by analyzing stool samples.
He basically just hung round men's rooms said like you, gonna use there and they say no have added
he just got out, educate him here by the way and dad
with his walk away. My headphones
I don't know how it went down over. I looked actually this,
is not the most celebrated person I've ever seen,
an entire region from infection
So there is not
and find a lot of background information on him, in particular
so I have no idea how it happened. I saw somewhere, they said that he became accidently, in fact,
and that's how he understood, didn't see it backed up anywhere else:
I have no idea how this man key
to say aha moment right here, because I again
got it. You have to be trading in thicker material here so like this guy had his hands on human poop,
some point right or thought to look there. I'm not sure. Maybe he was in a good old fashioned puzzling and makes the most sense that he, with his legs anxiety, covered with a worm
in point as though he was not well received. Local doctors didn't want to hear it. They wouldn't listen. They dismissed them. As you know this this carpet bag and Yankee from Europe
were educated Europe whose down here telling us you know,
he's an animal expert and he's telling us about our poop, making a lazy, Gauvain greater Europe.
Animal expert, yet they really didn't listen
Am I so use like fine I'll just go to John Dereck Phelan. Tell him. I'm gonna tell you there's basically what happened yet Rockefeller with this.
When income inequality was about at the left
It was now in the wealthy. Industrialists of the age were really really worried that they were going to.
Social order overthrown by angry people, so they invented philanthropy right, get us back when they worried about that kind of thing. I am Rockefeller said well, we can't we can't do anything to actually support the problems that capitalism creates, because then will just be drawing attention to the fact that there are major problems with capitalist system yeah. What else can I support
and he heard about styles and styles, took a meeting with Rockefeller and some of his his higher up friends
and apparently, at that meeting they close the deal like where funding this thing, with the million bucks right out of the gate, which is about twenty six million today
and they set up the Rockefeller Sanitary Commission for the eradication of hookworm disease. That's right, but despite the fact that there were trying
help southerners not only with a medical issue but to advance themselves as a people write again, the sun
there's a. They didn't want a white being shown on this problem right because its growth
and it has stigma, but they didn't want again. They
what these Yankees coming down there and say and they can fix you write em Rockefeller, said tee ass. He said I've got an oyster dish named after me, maybe the best oyster
besides MA am glad. He said that if we take a break yeah, we're gonna come back and talk a little bit.
The road to eradication right after that
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And we're back in chalk. We had
not just a jingle. That was a real blue song. Get me
like man, somebody really made an authentic old blue sounding jingle. Just for the Serbs
was the legendary Blind Blake, with his song hookworm blues, which is a real song about the hookworm blue spray and
blind plague came up with this song in nineteen twenty six. I believe and the fact that he is singing about hookworms
starting in the nineteen twenties represented.
This goes to show like how much progress was made between the time, the rock
Other sanitary commission was set up and Blind Blake Head is number one hit his number,
and in between that time, for
promoting this idea that there was such a thing is hookworm and that it was a real problem, because when the Rockefeller Santer, Commission,
up in nineteen o nine. The south was still in. Basically the groups of reach.
Structure, it wasn't the reconstruction here any more as the Jim Crow South, but it was still real,
far behind, as it was
to the war, and there were not a lot of public services available. So one thing the Rockefeller Santer Commission had going for it was money in.
It was going to be money invested in public health are so. This is how they went about it.
It's like you, no nine and, like you said they Rockefeller
eight million bucks. Just how much today, twenty six million twenty six mountains pretty good,
and they realize what am I assume this is kind of a purposeful move
at a southerner on board to Cairo led the charge. Definitely this part,
in name, Wickliffe rose, grew aim. If there's a here of the story, it's him. If he asked me in exile Knocker, what is it now styles here
I mean he did some great work. It was good but white roses, the one who are like life, that's how I
now that it
The one who made it happen is Crystal Clear
covered hookworm all day long by. If he didn't have the personality to write cure people, then it doesn't really help to this would be Matthew. Mokanna, Heaven
than a movie, yet so, and what in our Paul, GM or- and this is mokanna- hey come in here now, so they get.
Southern areas from Nashville on Board
to run the organization and they had this approach where they would go to account then
they would go to a town himself with these doctors, but before they did that they would start this campaign, like an awareness campaign in schools to get, and as I think we talked about another things yet
it's on board in schools, and they can. I help get the parents on board and they started this campaign to tell
children about what's going on and the kids with intern, hopefully-
go home until their parents, like you know
ha ha a dumb. I got the hookworm look. My group is wigglin away exactly
and it was
had a challenge in front of them, because you know you got it
bagger something to give it to your teacher, your teacher, an entire schools. These one room, school houses were infected and this
this one kid they talk to a later on said
are you using it at a time when he was scared, like you said he had constipation for
he didn't wanna like you didn't want to have
I don't want my teach- you do know me in this way yeah pretty much
Why do you know anything better? Let all stable boy never mind,
It was the whole set up right. Yeah yeah I mean like there was there were some areas of public information campaign, those part of it there
community involvement? There was a really big thing that likely froze rose started. He said we can
do this without the support of the local community. Yes, they built networks with, like doctors and local health boards. They get the school
involved in it became
community! Think right! Yes,
You have that the public on board. They would set up these clinics, not permanent these kind of temporary clinics, and they would
it was kind of a big deal in the town. They said that they were treated like an event. Moon and people would bring picnics enough. That's why thing to do at a bookworm clinic but
they would bring picnics, and it says here that they, some people even want to get married and hookworm tent, and I was like a theme, Sweden, candlelight kitty, but then I also like a better one of these people. I've never seen it
before so there were lighted his letter, one chance did
yeah yeah, giving get married in the hookworm tent, and so there be. This public
Mason campaign, leading up to the day of the hookworm day. You can just call it an your interlocutors, hookworm re ITALY, though the coroner anything a young doktor ride into town on horseback and he had microscope in everything. He would there's a couple parts to it. There was the sanitation lecture,
yeah, which was here's, how you guys are getting hookworm. Here's how you build. What's call the sanitary privy
yeah like they couldn't give amend or plumbing, but they get at least teach them how to have a nice enough out right in this very, very simple principle: one is like don't don't
figure. Latrine down until you hit groundwater
go out into the stream. Mick
animals can't get into it and like spreading around have a good door. It make sure your fee aren't
ending in the same pay that your pooping in really basic stuff but like that was a big part of it right here
and then also explaining how the infection process worked right so because they
two very early on that. Yes, you can get rid of hookworms fair
easily, but you can also get re infected fairly easily say they get that part across his well yeah. Unlike again, you can't
by everyone shoes, but you can say, maybe don't play near the outhouse yet to stop the poop slinging fights altogether. Yet they just have to be gone thing of the past. This is the number one thing they are part of the salad days and then
This the sample analysis would begin as a poor doktor with just look with his microscope at each poop sample him say: pass fail, pass fail
and if the bag was vibrating, they didn't have to like that. That cheese
in so doing he, I think oh yeah, right with the maggots, the mega cheese
Did we talk about Maggot episode
we then, or above so
if you were found to be infected with worms, you would give very simple pharmaceutical treatment. Really simple. Yeah, there's is extraordinarily toxic, stuff called
fame all yet he a dry Emma, well
kill your worms it yet
also kill you. If you took it with the wrong,
the nation of foods or and or I'll call it
Do you want to avoid alcohol and fats and oils
on the day you took it and then you would follow you,
as the time all with absence or which would remove the fund.
From your body,
yeah. They said at some point. You know what that stuff is super toxic. So why don't we replace? That was something called carbon texture chloride. There must be much better and how it was also very lethal.
I guess it is. You know at the time didn't have anything that was it also dangerous to take right. Then I did the trick in the book
the ep themselves get rid of it. I think helped quite a bit yes, so that the great
the story would be if the Rockefellers money was well spent in five to ten years later they eradicated hookworm in the south, terror,
but that didn't happen. It was
yes well and waterways awareness can it be in the chief way but, as we said a few times, re infection is kind of them,
problem like him. They might have got rid of a lot of work. Only in you know to have these kids who couldn't help but have their poops Lincoln
right and then get hookworm all over again exactly in so, but
if you go and read the Rockefellers, the Rockefeller foundations,
run down of that programme. They basically say,
It was this one guy who lobbied hard d like to move on water.
It was somebody from the rocks. I found a really said were done with this. We ve done our work graduate and they had like he said in a certain way. They had set up some of the earliest public health networks in the south. They had convinced the south. It
there was such things for grim, and then it was a big problem and that if they
were able to get rid of it. They could catch up to the rest of the country and, they said
now the local doctors, not a local health clinics, can take over from here.
But again you wasn't until the forties that that hookworm real
to be eradicated,
very little to do with the pharmaceutical treatments. It was the fact that indoor plumbing became prevalent,
or I mean it- was literally like better food, better plumbing, more
choose the Indus share, copying, which was a type of agricultural system that kept people poor dear and keep people in the fields. So it was kept. The same
unsanitary conditions for hookworm infection right there. Yet what did you call it now when they would dump the poop night night, soil yeah, no more night, soil dumping mechanization
started, and it was kind of a combination of all these. Just the
Organization of the American South Rights, really what ended it gum and you know the proof
kind of in the pudding in that today.
Conditions similar to the American South a hundred years ago plus and other parts of the world is still a really big problem.
It is really a prominent apparently something like I saw too.
In this article the warrant hookworms by any Bora, what's he says that up to something like that,
hundred and forty million people around the world. I thought to have hookworm infections
yeah about forty to fifty million
you're pregnant women, which is obviously one of the worst likely said. Kids and pregnant women is one of the worst kind of people who get an the sad
right in mainly because it increases your chances of dying during childbirth because of anemia, so
is a huge problem around the world and there's there there's this kind of moniker for hookworm infection, along with
another infections, their lumped together under the umbrella of neglected tropical diseases. Yet there is
call those because this is stuff it like you
easily get rid of a few elite.
Poverty right in that the developing world.
But we're not doing that and without neglect, basically yet
It's not the kind of thing where you can just invent the vaccine and it's gone again because of the re infection, because these people are still poor and still in those conditions,
we're talking at some of the highest rates are Sierra Leone, Democratic Republic of Congo, Nigeria.
The opium India, Venezuela, Indonesia, also interesting Lee China and Brazil, which can surprise me yeah was the same thing is likely
the south back in the day where you have very very well off urban.
Very, very, very poor rural areas sinking in parts of China, Brazil, today
I think another reason at least this article. You ain't gonna, make the argument that it's still a problem. In fact, since ninety ninety its decline globally by just five percent- yes, this is highly sad despite the fact that some
four hundred and fifty million people have been treated for hookworm yeah, but that decree
It's only going down five percent in all of what that saying is as long as
here's the unsanitary conditions, there's going to be hookworm right, so we have
to alleviate the unsanitary conditions and
thereby alleviating poverty and there's a group of the of
nations, like the bone, Melinda Gates, foundation, World Health organization
they ve got together to create this end seven programme and that's they're, trying to
and seven of the neglected tropical diseases by twenty twenty in
crime is one of em and there's treatments there.
Easy to get rid of hookworm there's. Actually
couple of ironic treatments for hookworm one medication for getting rid of hookworm prevents the hookworms from creating ATP
like an energy source, so they become lethargic die just like they make you lethargic. Leather medication attaches the to the hookworms intestines
and prevents the hookworm from absorbing nutrients, so they die of male nourishment dislike. They make people malnourished.
If it's ironic, if they're like we're, gonna, get these things back right. So
like us in a minute ago, part of the big problem
eradicating this. Is that it's not it's not
A big news item, like you know, a lot like Ebola comes along Arabs, all the news and Allison. You have a lot of funding hooker
is it- you know- I don't say a sexy disease is its growth, but it's not it's com, just off forgotten,
and so they don't have a lot of funding and leather gaiters are involved. Is that you know that makes it much more high profile right, but I'm you know it's still
big, big issue, and hopefully this will help raise a little bit of work.
Sure, were if, if hookworm Israel,
gave by twenty twenty will have played a rather large role in that, but now we have final twit
Frankly, there is this really great quote from the sixties, from a Rockefeller parasitic worm specialist.
You said that we needed the eventual hell, mythic defined
sure of man saying getting
of worms from the human race entirely right right- and he said that
Only in a society made up a parasite free individuals will we know of what
human being is capable basically saying, like
We have no idea how much were being held back, as this is an entire race year by
warm. So we need to get rid of him, but there's this guy
a body of research chuck this showing the way
we need to be infected by hookworms. That looks like well if it didn't potentially treat of a few types of disease. I wouldn't
humans need it, but right now, there's some experimental research going on and specific to hookworms. It seems that it might help asthma
Ok, there are other worms that they're using that can help with everything from also kaleidoscopic Crohn's disease to multiple sclerosis, but when it comes
hookworm. They think it might help asthma
they're not experimenting on humans, yet United States. I don't think
only in the United Kingdom right now, they're using illness in humans, but because it took worm that side effects are basically all the things we ve been talking about right. You know everything bad about the hookworm is gonna happen
he is right that the thinking behind Turkey's it makes zero sense like why with that help is that
for some reason, worm pair
worms prevent the human immune
some from going overboard, say right and that
the reason why we have auto immune diseases like multiple sclerosis or Crohn's disease are because of a lack of parasitic,
worms in our bodies, because we ve eradicated them so now, these other diseases that are auto immune diseases have been able to rise. So as a kind of reserve like you said,
we're little twist year will see. I mean right now, they're mainly working in mice in rats, but like any time you work with my cigarettes can exactly extrapolated on human. So we shall see
so in one way to find out for you and I and volunteer well, did you know? I did see some experiments not for this, but when they were doing hookworm experiments period, they would in fact people with hookworm
right. You know volunteers. Yet again I mean like it's not like a hooker he's: gonna, kill you
You are not going to give me infected cause. You wear shoes and news like a toilet with running water. It's sure why not you do it first, science and money.
Anything else. I do not what we want to recommend the articles, how a worm gave the south bad name by Rachel, newer and war on hookworms from
Andy Bora. What's there both well worth reading,
and I soon size
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