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as a kid enjoy welcome to study should know how stuff works. Dock work into the podcast on Josh Clerk, there's Joe. The beach of bright with me, and this is far out thought cats. You should know this right, we were kids. This is our first show recording and twenty twelve and just thought: let's kick it off with a little almond brothers and get psychedelic exactly that's you go when you think psychedelic they were known for having mushrooms on their album, covers and t shirts and is very common thing. Was peaches dead, mushrooms all over the place

yeah, but generally now, of course, you think, a Viking near the grateful debt servicing airplanes. Tenth floor, elevator Quicksilver, a messenger service, mobile grape, strawberry, alarm, clock, chocolate, lots, vain, Jimi, Hendrix, of course, who they're so chuck you're familiar with psychedelic, Iraq and role? Of course? Are you familiar? psyche dahlia as far as are concerned, I know you are You know how I know you are because we park ass, it s exactly right, stay and CIA. What else we could seems like we can psychedelic street mental illness at right as a big one that can overlaps, or some of this were away a lot of the blame of all the research decades of it at the feet of Timothy Leary. The man who ruined everything here I'll overtime, about part, my sniffles. By the way I'm not sick,

Italy are now allowing myself to think of me as sick. I have sniffles and I was like now not sick and does not gonna. Let it happen any lucky. You look. There was just a few days. I think if I would have wallowed in it, it would have been more than a week. I'm not letting me like. I had a hard man like tons of fluids. Urgency and airborne and fruits and that's look you'll be great airborne. You know. That's like the discredited. It's the same things emergency pretty much dislike vitamins and stuff, but it didn't keep you from getting sick. I think that's. How is discredited but it'll it'll help me up like a vitamin anyway. Some colleagues, because it is to the border free, so get to the motion. Chuck Okey, dokey, Chuck, judge. I've got no real into other. Then I think we should talk about the history mushrooms. First, look. What do you think coming at sounds great,

apparently there is a lot of fun debate over how long people have been using magic mushrooms near as far as religious rituals, recreational knows whether the supposition is that it goes back. Thousands and thousands of years, for example, is a cave meaning Algeria, that Nine thousand years old that supposedly depicts mushrooms Is another one in Spain? That's six thousand years old that depicts mushrooms, her I mean it makes a lot of sense that of native american tribes, Amir indian Tribes, Maso american tribes. These people are customarily eaten magic mushrooms. All this time I, Well, that's what one camp says is they ve been used and religious rights for thousands of years and central,

in northern Africa, like you said so, what's the rub, but then there other campuses, hey, you can't prove that you to see what you want to see you. I look at that. Keep adding that almond brothers cover and cause there's a mushroom on the wall. Does it mean that they ate magic mushrooms the Aztecs. Have how you browser I don't know, I've never been get it pronouncing Aztec, but I do think a stab at it. If you'd like me to share. Hey, I'm not tall right, they called it. The flesh of the odds and they use the substance. We know that we do not it was, but a lot of people think that it might have been caught. Him quote: MAGIC, mushrooms, but they also made statues over that kind of thing again. Generally only do that back in the day, if you, if it's revered substance. They can make us you just like whatever now, if we can speak in likelihood,

there were we know there were mushrooms where we assume that there were these mushrooms growing wild, like they are today to in these areas that these people- we're hunters and gathers in forgers. So likely tried these mushrooms if they did Charlie's mushrooms, they probably winked out. Why isn't that a clinical terms? I think they call it a trip, ok, man, they tripped and dumb, probably started operating it into their cave art in a letter, what do you tonight sure under book no books there, it has been confirmed. In contemporary tribes in Central America, including the mass attack mixed tech. They know ah, and the Zap attack saw the tax or way into it. Yeah, ITALY, these days. Her so evaded these days say chances. Are they probably ate it back in the days were right? Ok! So, as far as the west is concerned,

Oh I'm, sorry, it wasn't also it's not just a minute Middle America, whereas America, Northern Africa and Spain a Middle America like Ohio and mission, is not just the Kansas City mushrooms. They saw me. Have you heard of the Sami people now so either finish there like indigenous finnish tribes like beer? clearly has Sammy Inner, like that. Her look right saw me like that. Look yeah well you'd, like this army schooling, there love mushroom, so much that they are known to drink the urine of reindeer that every just recently ingested mushrooms and they really There is an urgent solution. I think Berlin recently of the sky, who had a bunch of magic mushrooms in this pen. Buncher reindeer item, whose, having the reindeer eat the mushrooms and collecting their urine and storing it. Well, my quest

to him is why would you go about it that way if he has a magic mushrooms? Did it like increase the potency year? Something like that. I don't know you pallaby better off asking a saw me person, they him sure. I don't know if I come think that coffee we failed to mention that affect the like fair, and they took out the coffee belied exactly when they rose that and a common status. So anyway, people probably been eighty magic measures for a long time, but the among westerners, it was totally unthought of unheard of unknown until the fifties right, yeah in nineteen, fifty five, a writer or he's my college studies, mushrooms, saying our Gordon Wesson, and he I travelled to Mexico Light back in the fifties certain out mushrooms, not for magic, purposes, but you just mushrooms right. He participated in a ritual, there. He and his wife did together. Well, not

at first. I actually did you read the article. No, he hath really good, you should read it some time he made took a cab down there first, later on, he took his wife and daughter she's like eighteen, so he is like Asher she's owner and they all tripped on these mushrooms, but I'd like to reduce them. Jennifer I mean ok, Alan is his friend by the way is their own home yeah. I think so. Out and I were determined to resist any effects that they might have to observe the events of the night, but our resolve soon melted before the onslaught of the mushrooms Alan felt cold and wrapped himself in a blanket? If you its later. He leaned over and whispered Gordon things. I told him not to worry. I was too we were never more wide awake and the visions came whether our eyes were open or closed name from the centre of our field of vision, opening up They came now rushing now slowly at the pace that

we'll chose, they began with art, motifs motif fractal, there's another one if angling such as might decorate, carpets or textiles or wallpaper or the drawing room? If an architect Then I saw a mythological beast drawing a regal chariot. And he goes on to describe all sorts of things, including see Not an imperfect view of ordinary life, but the archetypes the platonic ideas that underlie the imperfect. Of everyday life, so he was trip and hard. I don't like it. Yeah that's unusual, that he says that he saw something in a chariot because much Zander LSD are, although their hello. Regions they dont cause actual hallucinations they tended to mess with. Start things that are already there exactly. I have an answer for that cause. I thought the same thing: he did it in darkness. Ok, so I mean,

on drugs or not. If you go and sit in a dark room should long enough, you're gonna start seeing things in your minds. I think that's all it's gonna uses such an hour? Gordon was appalling. Pretty moved out when he wrote this article in life and now the editor picked out there, seeking the magic mushroom gather through the name came from a life magazine editor in nineteen, fifty seven, when the term magic mushroom. After that little trip Watson in Haim recruited Albert Hoffman, who was the chemist to created, LSD, isolated, LSD and said, hey man. We know it you're, into take these mushrooms and forget what's going on with them and he did and he isolated. The active ingredient, what is it a trip to its a trip to mine?

just the alkaloid. Thank you. It's actually related trip to fan. Ok, the turkey stuff yeah, you know what happens to answer but the truth my mind is that Marcella Simon in citizen, The solution is a that's. The metabolites of suicide and suicide is the active ingredient, the trip to mine, founded mushrooms. Then, when you, when you ingesting your body, breaks down the Sylla, Simon into silver sign in their starting to come to realise that suicide is probably the culprit behind everything really yeah before we move on. I want to point out an article here. He did it quite a few times Mexico and then he said later on, just attend to see if it was part of just the communal experience of being there. He ACT in New York City and took some and he said it was even better in the city council. He disprove that he's like New York, ok yeah Albert Hoffman, isolate Sir Simon,

Sandoz, who worked for who also started mass producing lsd, certain mass producing suicide as well and on psychological psychiatry. Community got his hands on it started, studying it we'll talk about the studies later, but as early as the sixties, they realise that obsessive disorders could be treated with suicide, until they shut it down, they totally shouted down. Is suicide, magic, mushrooms, any of the suicide mushrooms are schedule, one drug with kind of unusual, because study after study has shown that mushrooms aren't habit forming or addictive, and that you know the kind of, do you have automatically uses which give we'll talk about no overt, but let's talk about the mushrooms themselves They are a plant, a mineral fungus or an end,

there, an animal their fungus and needs a gross from sport. Each link mushroom in the case of silver, I've been mushrooms, has anywhere from point to two point: four percent suicide: Is a very small amount sounds like it and The national survey on drug use and health in two thousand three did a survey found that about eight percent of adults over twenty six which makes us an invalid study. Her head right. They did include twice twenty five percent have

I've tried it at some point. I saw like teenagers something like around eight percent, but it was hallucinogens other than lsd era, which includes a pc, p and stuff. Like that, my writings can't we want those together by in Europe. The prevalence is probably higher between point three percent. In fourteen point, one percent of use- at least once in the persons lifetime between point three and fourteen yeah, pretty pretty wild got fourteen fruit, ok and then

some reason. The Czech Republic and Slovakia report the highest use among teenagers of magic mushrooms, not sure why interesting new, it's a nice place to be about the back on it and say you do it you, but it's lovely or maybe that's why they're doing it because it is they who is New York City is the best problems, its human nature, to hate problems. But why is that, after our problems, inspire ass, two men, things, then things make things better? That's why so many people work with IBM on everything, from city traffic to ocean plastic, new schools, Tenue Energy flight delays to foods, Fifty smart loves problems, IBM, let's put smart to work, visit, IBM dot com, flash smart to learn more so Timothy.

If we fail to mention, but of course, obviously, he sunk his teeth into it literally, and like you, said earlier, like all things he can have killed. The second movement away as he was actually creating it by making it. You know a hippie burnout thing. Why finally deal legitimize. Did I mean there are a lot of people who are studying, LSD and cyber measure them I've again, all those to see how they can help people with mental illness. And Larry was like no man, let's just completely screw the establishment, with it well he's the one who established the whole set and setting thing right, which is still in use today, including in this article from have therefore come, Sir in setting are defined in here. Did you want to talk about it? well, that this is the trip as they call it. The mushroom trip is very depend

onset and setting the frame of mind that you have into it. Where you are, the setting Obviously, if it's enough, some kind of stress oh highly organized thing like if you're in school are you like The train station in somebody's like you're gonna, miss your train, you're gonna, miss your training programme that could get idea right or if you're hanging out with friends in your camping or you're doing something there where you have no stress involved and you have the right look going in Timothy Larry says: that's what you want as far as going into this whole that price, this mindset and setting is your environment. Also, studies are found, Even what are called drug naive people can have a positive experience on so cyber mushrooms. If there is if what what happened to him is explained to them ahead of time that that's a big part of it.

Two is knowing what you're getting into going into? Well, that's a big part of these studies. When I talk about later on. Was these people our coached ahead of time by people's Mina? They call them Their guides is what they are. Shame shouted neither richer research assistants who have had previous experience with psycho tropics gotcha but they would explain to him what they're about to get into that would obviously help them long as we're going in they do mentioned the guide thing in here in this article. They say that a lot of people, because you know you can have a bad trip which the only issue there is to write it out. Obviously, you can't turn off the effects: It is a very important thing to note: it doesn't go away. No, it doesn't, although supposedly on anymore, swim, they usually prescribed said it The scenario is supposedly hopes of bad trip. Hampshire does

They say the article. Your new users are often advised have an experience friend guide them through the experience like DC flirting with disaster yeah. Billy someone they accidently does the carpenter and she was like our nose like she's, a great guy he'll, be fine here, she's, gonna, coaches and through the thing I was looking up, movies that have much gentlemen, I was having a lotta to offend like altered, states This was lsd, but oh yeah, ok, but I guess that's ok I dimension that lsd and mushrooms are very similar in the effect. Although they say that mushrooms are generally milder and dont last along their chemical composition. Very very similar. Do you know how similar, I think, is like one numb, dropsy, really that's different, but they're, pretty close, very Monsieur Woods when they made LSD, did they try to synthesize so assignment was that there were thereafter

or was it- they didn't know that suicide existed until after Stephen interesting cause. You know he did LSD, igniting forty five right in do so side until a later quite coincidence, isn't it so. Do you know it's gonna brain? Do you know what the whole secret is behind magic mushrooms Central nervous system is some kind of a big inhibit something right now it does the opposite: agonists which I came to realize that agony means that you feel everything, I'm in agony, major feeling everything here and agonists. Vines to receptor like in your brain, that releases a neurotransmitter and in this case the silent or silver losin binds to serotonin receptors corset

release. The serotonin right, an ear synapses are flooded with serotonin and that's what gives what clinical research was basically call sensation is being overwhelmed by sensation. Interesting Zol, serotonin, men, There is evidence that it affects your Dover mean yeah receptors, but not directly like indirectly, which we cannot give you a sense of you. You suggest some the side effects when someone is taken, mushrooms include dizziness and larger right muscle, weakness, loss of appetite and numbness Sometimes there could be vomiting, sometimes anecdotally experts have said that in due Vomiting is to cease the nature when you experiencing and I was from trip

are there not considered, be addictive and you can build up a tolerance really quick yeah. It's us here in the article that like, for example, take mushrooms two days in a row is gonna, make the effects of him on the second day, far less print That is one of the guys in these studies to arm, I believe, takes them cluster headaches and he taken them so much that they don't have. Like our hallucinogenic properties, anymore. It's just like medicine for him, weird, really, growth, fungal medicine. I think you might take a pill for much further I'm out. Also, you can build up across tolerate. So I give you took a boy of mushrooms one day and the next day took mescaline or lsd. Those effects would be dampened as well, and I think it has to do with the fact that all its you're certain it But if you do that, that means a lot of other things as well about here it does Siena. Yes,

I don't know what, but oh you know what I can. I have a t shirt that has an Allman brothers album cover on it with your hippie you dirty smelly, hippy, her arm Some of the other effects of tripping on troops is on euphoria, more distant. And also sometimes a very rapid shift between the two tier briskly. Being really happy and then being terrified right, personal, which is a sense that you are not yourself or you belong to somebody else or others you lose. Your sense of self de realisation, which is the sense that You are in a dream or that this isn't real, nothing, Israel that kind of thing the passage of time, often distorted, whether it's like? Have we in talking about this for five hours or five minutes or the other way round and singing

The way I found a study that showed it basically tested that gave people Sir Simon and then did like time interval tests and found her really two to three seconds is about the most that a person can it successfully achieve as these tests are really yeah. On three seconds. They start to get really bad at it and they so I found the person's tapping preference, which I guess it's like. If you just sitting there tapping you know your fingers are what you're preferences slower oi near on my shoe, so like you said that you don't actually hallucinate like you're, not gonna, be sitting there and see pink elephants dancing across the room. But if there's a painting of a pink elephant it might appear as if the elephant were breathing or moving or shifting or if you hear something like a song or running water earth? You know a creek or something like that. You might hear other things.

Then that sound, yes, but not completely. Imagine them so one of the things we are talking about was there. As mushrooms the been around for thousands of years growing wild like they do today and that's where a lot of people get their motions, apparently is just forging it form. One of the big problems is that, while there are a lot of mushrooms and the genocide which repose should have mentioned, that there's the big spoiler all the motions are in the same jealous there there's a lot that look like them too, in that might grow and similar places, and I will, during your kidneys here. So you have to be very careful here when you're forging for fresh while mushrooms, if you're into that kind of thing, which neither Chuck nor I suggest should be done. Yet. When I endorsing this now to say again,

this is an article yeah thought that was implicit. But it's pretty good time to see you here Nicole. They also point out that even experienced a mushroom hunters have made mistakes out there in the dark? in the field among the cows. So I'm it yeah, it can be toxic is not a good idea is to go pick and mushrooms grown in it Macao Pie in Barcelona that their holds true for if you're looking for truffles or in our edible mushroom. Yet you wanna know it you do it one way to tell what A mushroom you're looking at is to create a sport print which apparently take a piece of paper, and you take the cap of the mushroom. There's a stamina cap and in the general suicide, most of them are fairly small. So the cap is about wanting to talk. Yet the stems about three inches taller generally, where you take the cap n, you place it Gill side down. If you related, the underside of a mushroom there's, the gills it so we're lookin,

low powdery, powdery gills powder? Is this force you press the gills down in the paper and it should leave of an imprint the sports, and if you know what you're doing you can identify more easily or more closely the kind of mushroom you're dealing with, and so we said that there's like dozens of species, I think of so I'm mushroom. He others tons of em couple of really popular ones, though, as far as in Ngos are these suicide cuban CIS ads most common ones, is a little larger. As far as it mushrooms, go Scott, a golden cat. I'm sorry all the golden cap or mexican mushroom decided street name, I that that's the one Madame our Gordon Wasser Parbleu is yet in Mexico, and it's got usually a reddish brown cap, white or yellowish stem and,

important thing when its bruised are crushed. It can turn blue and a lot of people will say way. That's all it's a magic mushrooms returns blue when he crush it, and that's not true, because there are toxic right, do the same thing, so it's a good way to get yourself in trouble. It's also cover of filling a which means that it goes and poop yeah, moist environments, where human environments and heart like South Georgia, would say or Florida which apparently look to see, but as a February two thousand nine at least. Is the Only stay the union that Is it illegal to? I guess pick or possess fresh suicide? Mushrooms fresh as a non dried out, but MR, it was two years, as you say, is

You know, I don't know what they say. The reasoning is that grows in wild people, pick mushrooms and might become by accident. So we'd wants in prison of sums and accident plus Roma families and oh collar, and we can rely a screw up their jam. One here one of the other more popular ones is the Sylla side. Semi lance yadda face took the liberty cap and it s is found in damn grassy fields populated by cattle, but it doesnt grow directly on the dung and has little pointy cap light, yellow and brown and smaller than the Aea. The golden calf Mexican, I guess that one of the other at the big three is P Bay assistance or the bluebell or Bottle camp hello, friends, we want to talk to you about simply safe because they protect your whole home every window every room, every door with two:

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So check if one were disposed to take mushrooms white according to the article? Would the person. The lake do well, I mean what it would have people who are taking mushrooms doing with them. We talk about forging that's one. What you can buy them, which is illegal and we don't reckon Obviously it's illegal even have spores, which is surprising. Force do nicely contains a cyber near which is what's outlawed. It's a weird loophole, but it's a loophole. It's the what's. The opposition loophole donor, the oh, not part of the whole, the munchkin. Ok, let's go how is the timing and unfamiliar with much didn t believe me and then you can grow your own. Obviously, but if you're looking to buy this kind of thing in the United States, you know they sell it. Marijuana, ounces and quarter out is an eighth ounces

and I d in eight is defined in this a three point: five grams in it article, this, the craziest ironical oversight, has to be. There is really crazy, yeah, because at one point that she talks about who wrote this scene Freeman chain? talks about are the ones in the Gulf, to give you a mellower high, but the time ass rooms you so much it's not that it's crazy. It is and when they dry out, which is when most people have their dried out. They we'll lose some of their psycho traffic properties in of drawing process. But. They retain these properties. I don't know definitely but for years yet because you're, you know this dream, I think you have to freeze driver. You have the dry them. Like a certain way to dry? I think that can relax. Everything looks in favour. The crust

which apparently is very unfortunate. Some mushrooms, have reported flowery taste, that's all four sour or bitter. So it's not very fine, which means that a lot of people do crazy stuff with their mushrooms to make them more palatable, chocolates. Mushroom chocolate is one Soaking liquor soaking their mushrooms and liquor like a healer rum, just basically ground, I'm up and put him into capsules, so we do not take anything all the mushroom pill or make mushroom tea, which, supposedly, if you or brew mushrooms it's it's. It's supposedly doesn't happen. Back on the potency yeah. The experience the user has reportedly comes on quicker as well and

Anecdotally people have even been known to eat. The slimy remains of the tea graphs. That's what I think I mean everything about. Mushrooms are groves, but slimy. I don't like my shoe. Regular must Like is another fuzzy, don't have much of a taste in their put in food for texture, but I don't like the texture yeah. It is the hoping grocers me out, so about one gram of Dr Mushrooms is apparently very small. Does four grams is a medium dose for an adult? I read medium too large yeah. So I guess one peak you, birds, the mexican mushroom dried is about, Graham decent size one and when they win these one grammar, foregrounds or whatever the doses has taken is ingested. You

early within twenty minutes. If you take it orally. Twenty to thirty minutes, you start to experience symptoms and they last for something like six hours, depending on like the poet yeah, I guess we'll yeah, that's why? How many taken this with China Freeman says in this article is rather like the there there's differences. Tweets from mushroom the mushroom from person to person. Right yet I mean it's not like Sandoz is making the stuff anymore, so John foraging bright, we mention buying off the street, needs which we recommend no again Ah highly illegal, I mean a schedule, one drug, yet we'll get you a veer prison sentence you might as well. Big caught with heroin to or cocaine or pc p like this.

This is as good as it gets. It's gotta be hot with that, just as you can go out Macao field and find some doesn't mean you should take it lightly here. I know this is huge me, that's a huge huge prison sentence ragged, but, like a life ruining prison sentence, although I guess probably just about any prison sentences fairly ruining. But this is like double through its huge Michael, you can actually grow these things and that's what some people do some cultivators do. This is also extremely illegal, very much illegal music, and even so we're gonna tell you, because this is stuff you should now. Ok, Well it's just that some people should know why. I guess the very least as part of explaining everything. That's on our website, Jerry System, the crackers you have to spore, because that's a person you need for the mushroom to grow.

Or grows under one mushroom, but a mushroom can have thanks. Thousands of force and understand, the little patrie stuff that we're talking about a murmur. We talked about taking spore prince for identification. The same spore prints are often what you in the mail, when you mail order, mushroom kits You can't study sport in the ground. They have to be hydrated with clean water The still water can even by syringes refilled pre filled with fours and stare water from suppliers. If you don't make your own you remember in the earthworm episode. We talked about Duff, the idea that the organic light spongy organic material. You have to make your own version of death. Using brown flower vermicular, which is the little white Pebbly stuff like parting soil.

And water. These kind of mixed together and it creates Duff. A fluffy can spongy layer I think rice flower to exert thing. Wheat flour might think it might mould easier something. Ok, I might be wrong. And you create, what's called the substrate cake, which is great it's good growing medium for mushrooms, insecure soil, pretty much an U crew! You put this little substrate cake in a can like a jar right. Kinda thing you put it, you put the canning jar in the canning bath near a pressure cooker, which sterilize is the insight that right and then I guess you inject this force. If you ever get us, range with the sports and you injected into the jar near put put some holes in the lead and then that eventually will grow a cannibal white, ropey growth called my Celia. Yeah, it's gotta, be it at a very slow

humid environments, about seventy five degrees, Fahrenheit twenty three celsius and within about a week like? You said you get them. I saw him and then, if you get more suffering, that means you know it wasn't a good environment, but eventually wants is covered. My sunium, you gonna, put that into a plastic container for funding and under the right humid. Conditions and mushrooms and each little cake can grow a lot of mushrooms, Nelega thousand or a hundred. Yet not at once. No they grow and waved supposedly any harm still more come in the harvest in more common leg over the course of a month is where you get your mushrooms from the cake again very illegal yes to by any of the stuff or to engage in growing any other stuff. Endless talk about that Chuck things, time we got to the law, part of it, like we said mushrooms since I think, nineteenth

Wendy are a schedule, one drug and likely said schedule drugs are defined as jobs are highly addictive and have no medical use, which is kind of weird to put motions in there, but they are in there. I don't think you can argue that with thirty eight that comes in Boston, your daughter, break up your mushroom growing operation that hey man, things are not addictive and it's all sorts of medical uses for him, although probably won't be the dna with mushrooms, is d, probably gonna, be what I say. Dna data starting with the de either you're freaking out her It is likely not gonna, be the de either because it's probably going to be a state, although their stadia, or their site using light on the state level. Yeah yeah yeah, I think, there's the yeah there's each

has a bureau of investigation. I think, can acts like there, the eight d, but is, unless you have like some big large operation going on, it's probably not gonna, be a federal crime is probably going to be a state run right arm in a timely You could order kids like the ones we, scribes on the internet, over through the mail do they? Now you were going to get in a lot of trouble. The d probably welcome your Hauser intercepted are both, and that was that they ve been the case since two thousand three for this it's very illegal, but apparently they started cracking down on yet another lawyer in two thousand three in great Britain into them, Five. It was still legal to have mushrooms fresh mushrooms here, but certainly case any longer, and then in Amsterdam, even Amsterdam. I was surprised to

All of this into doesn't one they outlawed dried mushrooms. Yes, and then in two thousand eight. They allowed fresh mushroom, so you can have any mushrooms and the Netherlands, but in Mexico they do exceptions for indigenous peoples. And being used and ceremonies and such in the United States as well, but not necessarily for suicide mushrooms more, for, I think, pay odious. The one that's got the big exception the native american church is allowed to use piety so Josh. We said that for many years about thirty five years or so shut down as far as research goes as a potential medical benefits since when they said you can again. But I know in two thousand six Johns Hopkins Started-

long term research study almost places, but Johns Hopkins really has headed this up. And they found a lot of really interesting. Things, like you said, OECD and some eating disorders, some compulsive eating disorders, yes of misleading compulsion yeah. They found that in the end, a journal of clinical psychiatry is written, that study, proved, will not prove to indicate for a period of about four to twenty four hours they remained symptom, free period, and sometimes it was even for days and that they said that their no treatment than eases the symptoms as fast as this much immediate of the compulsive disorder. Yes, I would in its ear, you have a compulsory compulsion, is exacerbated by a lack of serotonin. You take mushrooms

and all of a sudden, your brain is flooded. Basilica serotonin, cluster headaches yet is always interesting. I read about this cluster headaches her pretty much the worst pain you can have in your head. They like in it to childbirth, without Anastasia and I'm in England. This is in the guardian that I read this thereabouts thousand people in England that suffer these attacks daily with no more than a couple of weeks, remission and call the cluster period the commissioner. Like these these periods, we haven't bright your period, family suicide and helps to satellite Miss one guy. Richard Aileth says that he's tried. Mitchell treatments and everything is whole life know anything about me. Was a magic mushrooms and periods. We haven't brought you sell your period family so aside and helps the satellite Miss one guy are Richard. Aileth says that he strikes

You know whenever you hear of mushroom, or psychedelic. Sir hallucinogens general, like the whole idea of religious epiphany, Like you, I wonder if the universe or something unethical experience right earlier in the west, the West buddy of mushrooms this. This is cannon noted in there. General, like the whole idea of religious, epiphany, you're feeling, like you're, a wonderful universe or something and article experience right early on in the west? The study of mushrooms this? This is cannon noted, and there is a famous before mystical feelings and connections with God and religion and every enlightenment. Basically right is whether a report which is not surprising, because I think you could have called down but

What's very surprising is that twenty five years later they they ve surveyed the participants again in the people who had received suicide and reported a great greater. No positive life changes than people who hadn't been and so I would like, the controls have gotten placebo instead. Well, that's what Johnson Hence is found so far too there they did a study on aid, in adults is just one of em and ninety four percent said that it was one of the top five most meaning. Experiences in their lives near forty four said the single most meaningful experience and then they interview them again, a year later and found that they still felt that and have these changes and empathy a greater understanding of people, s judgment and family members, even notice it they were a calmer happier and kinder because Griffin

doktor Gryphus is the guy leading this. He thinks that they found the sweet spot witches just enough to get you to that place, not so much that it could have an adverse effect. I got one more to if Europe for it. I am Wendy Business TAT four months ago. Where are these, directing civil servants. Now there is reporting on Johns Hopkins, again catches party central, I guess, personality in humans is generally prefixed after the age of thirty may say in it, take something like that job change or a big move or a death in the family or divorce like something really big to effect personality in any meaningful way. Generally, unless you take mushrooms once krill, What they found openness, decreases across decades vary slightly and people Jim become rigid unless creative, but the fifty two

also the volunteer to each other, Simon from aid is a twenty four sixty four fifty seven percent transcendent mystical experiences while taking drugs and They said measurable increases and openness, which is one of five key parts of your personality and did not affect the other four. Parts which is interesting, which is neurotics, ism extra version, agreeableness and conscientiousness, but apparently makes people more open and creative. What The enemy is looking like the studies and whether doing in the studies like They found that I think they come who milligrams of five million. Some ridiculously large amount of suicide and inject intervening especially through an ivy drip, who was like too much patients, thirty reporting that the experiences were a little overwhelming and terrifying

do you imagine some poor sap and like a hospital room, really light three milligrams of suicide and delivered intravenous? Let's not certain setting in the hearse also there's been a lot of cats, dogs, rabbits, monkeys, cats, efficacy, rats, mice, Heterophylla That has been given suicide and over the course of time, in the name of research. In the wild. I imagine will have yours the bear the documentary that The two bears now the bare eats I really am they have this thing like scene, where it's like just shipping in full, there's a blooming in the skies, is moving with the stars and everything- and we were lucky Firstly, you mean overtaken it out. Last night, there is clearly person dressed as a bare tribune,

when did a little researcher like this documentary bright and near the they had somebody dressed up as a bare for that part, but the actual bear did actually eat mushrooms, they just the directors taking a lot of artistic like sex. But in its you have to imagine like what's it like for an animal like how can we live Intel? Apparently, mice might show that their hallucinating through head twitches guess who have been taught to self inject suicide, ten to so now fixed staring is what it's called me or they'll grasp unseen out to kill This poor monkey do that again. I wouldn't be fair to the web empty report. You know sixty four said they had these transcendent mescal experiences, but a lot people also had better

sure had hearing it out of fear and anxiety them in a way not saying it's like take much. Everything's great for your. They found that it can go. One of two is good or bad probably no such thing as a neutral mushroom experience. I don't think so having it's gonna vacuum. Family in one way or the other If you want to know you gonna path, I got an answer. If you want to know more about mushrooms, equal read this article on the site is crazy. Go on the site, how magic mushrooms work by be made into the search bar. Has the words that count means that it time for a listener. Male anything. I think we prove that we can cover other stuff like this. We if we getting a lot of trouble for this one or whether we can cover stuff like this one. It's a big part of him out to explain everything exactly not does,

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