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I heard radio apple podcast or wherever you listen. Your favorite shows welcome to studies now a production of iheart radio. They awoke into the park, yes m, Josh and there's shocking jerry's. Here too in this stuff, you should know about northern. That's right which was in thirties and forties the casino but all the united states and was then update the vaguest of the united states before vegas and fifty's to even it's hard to believe. I never knew any of this. So much of this is very cinematic I was just trying to work out how to tell the story in a movie without doing flash boards and flashbacks it, but that's probably how you would have to do it

so I grew up in northern ohio, which is not that far from northern kentucky Son, the other end of ohio from it is the area we're taking those just across the river from Cincinnati, and I guess I had heard of this before it those things where care. A member of my mind, is telling me that I had a memory before actually had a memory like it didn't really have one. I just want to think I did. It might be one of those scenarios, but regardless it is like a huge, huge piece of northern kentucky southern ohio history. fact, the more you learn about it. If you were alive, incense and you know in the mid to late seventies, it was a national thing like it was a really big deal that this happened. This beverly hills supper club fire that we're going to talk about today, yeah. It was definitely one of the worst sort of entertaining

at club fires in: u s history, I would have to look at numbers. I mean it's probably one of the deadliest fires in u s history here, because a hundred and sixty five people died in her if fashion obviously dying by fires, always horrific, but. This was is as bad as it gets an added know anything about it. So big too, thanks to you for commissioning this from dave ruse, my friend you did no. I didn't. I didn't commission this I didn't either you're gonna have to go. You know, outcome of this may be occasionally day will say, like hey, have you heard of, school thing and will say: oh yeah, just that sounds great. Ok. Did that may have been one of these, because I didn't know about this. I don't think know what day is it. It is a tuesday I think, are we. This is a job. Am I dreaming you're like a kid david on the way home from the dennis,

Is this real? Alright? So let's go to newport kentucky in the way back machine him. It pull that thing out. No, whilst it so does it up fired up pottery living here to do the work, So I too hotwire it likely I'm good at that. So let's get fired up and go back to the nineteen twenties prohibition.

For northern kentucky the okay here we are chuck and it turns out that despite prohibition being in full force and liquors, really really easy to get it's especially engine that, especially because there was a loophole in the volstad act. That said- and I know we talked about this in the prohibition episode that said- that if you are making alcohol for medicinal use, you can't you have to have a huge license. Each bottle has to be bonded by the government. You can't be. It's gotta, be one hundred proof on the nose. There is a bunch of like criteria, but you could legally produce alcohol and there was a guy named george remus who who was a lawyer. He also was a pharmacist by trade, but he had been defending all sorts of bootleggers.

To cargo and realized man. There is a lot of money in bootlegging, so I saw that he did a little research found out that eighty percent of the legal booze produced in the united states was coming out of the centenary area and he moved over there and said I am going to get in organized crime and boy did he ever yeah. He was living in chicago at the time and if, if you're, leaving the organised crime in chicago to go to Cincinnati her, then you must have some insider information and did. He did. He was known after he made that move as the king of the bootleggers, because he would have met, and you know it's a great scam he would manufacture. This quote unquote madison whiskey and then he would have a set up where his guys would steal the truck hijacked, the truck and then sell it. in this. The money number is staggering because it says one point this guy was making.

Forty million dollars a year in the nineteen twenties yeah, it's about nine, hundred million dollars today. So I mean that's. that made him probably one of the wealthiest people in the united states if he would have been able to keep up. You know that operation, but, of course he was for sure If you were a politician or a police chief or even probably allow I called cop in the area. It made you pretty wealthy too, because one of the reasons why he set up in northern kentucky's purchase, particularly in newport, was because you could pay people awful lot easier. It was a small town. You can basically make it your fiefdom and that's what george remus did and you're right. He and he got caught pretty quickly. I think within just a few years of setting up this organized crime, syndicate and- and I'm just a little aside on him- he was really interesting. He had a cell

in jail, who turned out to be an f b. I agent not informing an actual agent who was planted there. The agent found out about all the money that remus had that his wife who control that was in her name, the guy left the jail quit the f b. I inserted an affair with remus his wife imogene and then talked her into basically like selling off all the duff infernal money from her, so the f b, I guy, robbed and blind remus- was so mad that when he got out of prison he see track down his wife and shot her in public in broad daylight. Did he get pinch for that? He got pinched, He was convicted but found not guilty and reason of insanity with. To a sanitarium right same torreon

Tell him, I can't remember a mental hospital and then because he was a lawyer used the prosecutors reasoning that he wasn't insane to get himself released from the actual the mental hospital and became a free man very quickly go into all the ankles yeah. He did, and also one other thing about him is that it's pretty much a certainty that Jay gatsby from the great gatsby was based on george remus cause. He had met at scott Fitzgerald at some point. Yeah and probably through some pretty wild parties would be my guess for sure, but he didn't drink or smoke. Well, I don't well that gets me. He actually thinks we drink some day. I think you did all right. So it's nineteen twenty five he's in jail, but by this time he had established Such an operation there in northern kentucky that a little industry of sleaze, grew up around it.

A kind of a red light district is how they put it, and this is where we get to the birth of what was then called the beverly hills country club. There was gunning peach met, who now factors in the story who used to be. I refer remus and nineteen twenty seven. He bought this old roadhouse outside of new per newport perched upon a hill and basically renovated it into a casino and a really nice when they had casinos there, but they were. They were called bust out joints. They were kind of again. They were kind of a sleazy places to go right and the beverly hills. Country club was what was known as a carpet joint and it was a it was a nice place

It was the blueprint for what ended up being las Vegas. Like a nice place, we could go a gamble and you get a dinner and some drink and even to show yet so the thing about that is yes, it was that the whole jam was kind of sleazy. In fact, newport earned the nickname, syn city back in the thirties. Emigrant las vegas is ending the glimmer in anybody's. I at this point now. It's it's a tumble we know like newport is las vegas in atlantic city wrapped into one, and if you are a tourist like you're, you're, totally fine you're safe the streets were clean. like nobody was gonna mess with you, because it was so fully mob run, but it was me braun by a bunch of like different disparate people, who used to work with george remus and the cleveland mob that led by mode deletes.

Non to help found las vegas. He was one of the original founders. He said. I want this action. This is like just off the border since in any way in cleveland, we're going to get in on this and he moved in on newport and started buying up casinos around town delete deletes. That's what I saw. Oh really. I know I want to say dallas, but it's not doubts. It's deletes is delightful, is what it is. If you look at him to heat. He looks exactly what you would think go. Mobster mode deletes would look like he was a big time. Mobster like he was one.

once that was grilled by the cuff offer committee kefauver. He was one of the ones that that helped found las vegas years later right, right, yeah, that's what I was saying, but this was years and years later and again, one of the reasons las vegas was founded because mode deletes was one of the first like big time mob, guys who showed up in newport and took over it was it was just the blueprint for vegas later on all right, says, schmidt and again chuck I wanted to read. Is drove home. We're talking about northern kentucky. Okay, yeah, you know how I know that how cause we said. Northern kentucky like sixty times have, I know, but it still boggles the mind so schmidt this beverly hills, country club and to give it up. Despite my pressure, he's acknowledge my place. I want to own it. So what looks like happen as the mom said? Fine, we'll burn it down. This was not

big fire? Obviously that came. You know, forty years later than this in February nineteen, thirty six, only one fatality very sadly, five year old girl, the niece of the club's caretaker died and here's the thing They didn't prove arson, but again everyone was on the take, so it was kind of just understood did it was burned down because schmidt wooden self, while plus also right after the fire mo deletes, came and said you want to sell now, and that was it wood now own the beverly hills country club, and with that he basically owned newport in conjunction with a couple other big time: heavy hitter cleveland bosses yeah, with whatever their whatever cleaning

thaksin is so you want to take a. I don't know that there is one actually now that you mention it. It's kind of midwestern ho hum hey. What do you say? Let's, let's go down to newport and run the place? That's a cleveland accent. I think but what is still bullshit me as I will take them. break, in which I will come back ready for this the I'm just now is and are not people told me we know you ve been pining for a brand new parkhurst hosted by an internationally beloved comedy superstar and television. I come from the nineties

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Ok, just so mode elites in the cleveland mob have taken over newport, and this is when it really becomes like the casino capital of america year its bustling people or- and this isn't like, oh, I came in from cleveland or cincinnati. People are coming in from the west coast in new york in Chicago. I think the poppy Patient was about thirty thousand and seventy thousand people You know more than double that amount would come in on the weekend to hang out and young jerry, louis and francs, turn dean, Martin and that it was a literal blueprint again vegas. They were doing it all. Duke ellington was planned and Marilyn Monroe was there and it was just ass. It was quite a scene again. in northern turkey, It is hard to believe the other thing about. It too is there,

with no legalise gambling in Kentucky. This is all a flower being the law and the reason. Why is because everybody was on the take. They just looked the other way and it was the the casino capital of america was located in a state that didn't have legalized gambling yeah. So so it isn't like. This is a a backroom poker game. there were literal kiss. He purpose that they got away with it eventually. You know, of course the feds are gonna. Take note and the american municipal association started complaining to the federal government, and said, hey. We had a real organised crime problem in this country so that, if ever come that you were talking about earlier, was established by the senate. These big televised hearings they trotted out. Everyone, including deletes including frank, costello and people like that and here's the thing it kept going it that had no effect

shutting newport down it. This was in nineteen forty nine fifty and threw out the fifties, it was still booming. Yet one of the reasons why they were able to get away with this is this is before even fb, I would admit that there was a national crime syndicate of organized crime like up to the like late fifties. The the general consensus among law enforcement, at least officially, was that it was all just local hoods and thugs, and you know criminals, but there was certainly no organized crime that didn't exist even after the the father committee like revealed like know, these people are in touch with one another in there all mobbed up like this does exist. It still doing quite take it wasn't until the appalachian meeting of nineteen, seven an apple eye to new york, where they literally caught a hundred more bosses from around the country and cuban italy meeting to figure

how to organise their crime better, though people, including the f b, I were found like ok, fine, there's, organised crime that one way that they were able to get away with. This is because they, the just refuse to accept that this was the organised crime syndicates near which it very much was in it played out in newport in ways that you would expect in the nineteen fifties their homicide rate in you know this pretty small place. Was four times the national average, and there were a lot of people that just vanished basically dave introduce me to a new term called the newport nightgown her, which when you were wrapped up in chains and thrown off a bridge, there was a reporter and fifty seven that counted three hundred sex workers per mile in newport an event lee nineteen sixty one roles around and a football player player from Notre dame in the browns there in cleveland,

named george rather men ran for sheriff in newport yeah as a reform candidate care in other efforts. Now. Is that from blazing saddles. No, no! No! No! No good! Guess, though, it was a oh brother, where art thou the Coen brothers, great movie, where. Charles durning said people want that reform, yeah yeah, again character, yeah, he was a southern politician, but this is what rather men ran for base growing in a clean. This place. All right and it was all going fine in his campaign until he was found naked and passed out in a hotel room with a sex worker and arrested yeah. But it can. I came back to sting the mob, didn't it it did because they did blood tests on george ratterman, probably at his insistence he said that he was drugged and it turned out that, yes, indeed, he was drugged with the chloral hydrate, which is the basis of a mickey a mickey finn. If you slip someone a mickey, you give 'em chloral, hydrate and a drink,

and that's what they did to george ratterman and framed him the mob, in conjunction with the local police, for a guy who was running for sheriff, it is a trope, but this was actually happening, drug him and throw him in bed naked with a sex worker and take his in caldicott exactly so. If with him with black and white pictures got to be black and white photos right, Oh yeah, so regiment actually goes on to win the election. He'd, like he comes out of this and clears his name wins the election and then all of the national attention that was given to this. Incredibly, like just like almost mythical thing that happened to him Robert Kennedy, who this new as the: u s attorney general said what is going on down there inserted sending feds to newport and all of a sudden the party was over natural. The party was very much over by this down. This was the sixties, so vegas was

Its earlier days, an people skipped town basically said all right: let's go out there in the sunshine newport done and in the mid nineteen. Sixteen, the beverly hills country club a closed, but not for good, because, as we will see, it was revived which will ultimately does to our tragedy. Yap tends to get a break spot, but it's not cause which took one. That's right this It's also the time when the famous song good by northern kentucky, I'm going to las Vegas was written, nothing or said engelbert, humperdinck or gordon lightfoot. It was a duet, okay, yeah yeah is a sea shanty or a sung cleveland exit. So then will enter another character. Dick shilling, richard chilling junior. He was working at these casinos when he was just a kid right.

And eventually rose up to like management and in the late sixties, and sixty nine when newport wasn't doing great, he had the foresight to buy as abandoned property, the beverly hills supper and renamed it. The beverly hills, supper club. This time I was like I'm going to restore this giant giant facility. I mean as abyss like it, the more we looked into this that video you sent me that kind of lays out the ah the schematic, but the floor plan. Second, unbelievable. How big this place was like they would have a half a dozen way, parties going on at this and the same night. In addition to the thousand see

to frank sinatra, right yeah in the other room, like alia, nuts, and it was really lavishly done, like dick shilling like did a really good job? Bringing this thing back and put it back on the map again. Are the thing is that longstanding tradition of a legitimate business owner I am the place, fixing it up and being unwilling to sell it to the mob who, in short order turner and burn it down, and that happened again just like a year after he he revamped it right before he was able to open an amazingly dick schilling said no, I'm doing this and stop at mob you're not going to

I can deter me and the mobs and fine fine go ahead and open than he did in nineteen. Seventy one- and you know in just a few years it was it was like I think they called it- the showplace of the nation, a separate club in northern kentucky. Ah, it's like how many times can this place burned down to get? I guess the answers. Three, at least yes in big thanks to we need dimension. Dave used a book for this search by a man named Peter bronson, who wrote easily I would say the the quintessential book on the beverly hills supper club fire in northern kentucky forbidden. fruit cohen, since it underworld and the supper club inferno and was

it was in the video that you sent to know there's another guy named Robert Webster, who is in that video I sent you. He wrote another definitive book on it called the the the beverly hills: supper club, fire, the store, the untold story behind kentucky's greatest tragedy, and it's really exhaustive too apparently got five years. search bind. It is well colon everything that bronson guy missed their famously feuding with each other this day. I think it's burning down one another supper clubbed. Oh, no, no, no right! So this thing he said open in seventy burn. Reopen in seventy one. Shilling was not to be deterred. And it was a big deal. Frank Sinatra came back even he was like that places open again all right, I'm back, he can still get why into Cincinnati right, elevate, sterile played their red fox, the righteous brothers it was. It was again a big deal and such a big deal

that they would routinely over cell and over pack that place out. So I saw this is under dispute, so I think robber Webster in particular, he chopped report that up to poor reporting, early reporting after the fire that they they routinely flaunted the the building capacity, the fire, marshal capacity number. I dont know that that's necessarily true, but if a party does not a court that it did, though, but nobody they they weren't. They There is some minor violations, but now That costs anyone their lives so that that tells me right there. They know that they will, doing any major violations like overcapacity, crowding. Ok, and it was another huge place to ever so mind. Bogglingly big, then I think people are like others, thirteen hundred people there obviously is over capacity

well, I mean I think there were. They said there were thirteen hundred people in that one room right in the cavalry room yeah. What were the main stage was right, which was it that was a sweet. Looking me a place, I mean this. The decor in the mrs Ashton, who writes a memorial day weekend, is obviously going to be a big deal at a place like this. and it was certainly the case in nineteen. Seventy seven John davidson was the headline that night, John davidson, who would later make noise in the eighties for guys like us as a co host of a show called real people and their right. That thing we're alone. That's incredible! Ok, a real people's, yet when the air, the down mark, aversion upmarket version of real, I think that's incredible- is just that. That was the one which are contained in the Cathy rick. Be now oh yeah, I think so

The marriage she always came out wearing a beard of bees. Like every episode. I remember the guy we're two guys. There was one guy that could catch arrows. Tat was cathy or agree that it would bring on people to do this. and then the other guy. I think I even remember his name for some reason. It's funny how these things stick with you as an adult from when you were a kid. I think he was the yogi kudu. He the guy that could fold himself and put him in a tiny little clear, cube. Tat was carefully me too you're, a very confused young man. I'm gonna have to look at other better, as it was yogi giddy, so chuck I'd. We kind of set the stage cat he grabs me? Oh nice, okay, good, Cathy Rigby was a gymnast. Alright, I'm

but I was thinking of Cathy Lee Crosby. I just have the name wrong with you, but that's who I was thinking of. At any rate, we've set the stage for this may: twenty eighth nineteen. Seventy seven night at the beverly hills, supper club, yep, Don John davidson's, going to go on apparently shaving backstage at this moment, and I say we take a little break, leave john davidson to his. saving and come back in really talk about the fire. I'm just now is and are not people told me we know you ve been pining for a brand new parkhurst hosted by an internationally beloved comedy superstar and television. I come from the nineties.

I did talk radio for over twenty five years in los angeles c'mon build yourself up a little. This reflects on the building up, which we say operate a child come on five days a week, on five hours a week, now you ve been a new here, but china style, shining star, say you're shining stuff. A machine instar. You know what normal is, because you actually told everybody the name of the podcast. Would you really really know really is an informative and funny show that seeks to answer the things that make peter and I say really? No really. That's right. Jason will ask the question that everybody wants to know the interested, but we'll get answers that just may surprise. You inspire you but will absolutely entertainment, so join us way of you'll, learn and me, and the shining star over here might actually get paid. That's really not really. What's more margarine and peter told on the iheart radio, app on apple podcasts or wherever you get your partner else? Would they get them? What's up? Y'all?

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stage I'd be like I. I would malik myself and I come out bleeding, like your face, isn't supposed to bleed when you are entertaining you know, I'm so glad I don't shave, I hated shaving, I don't like it either yeah. I didn't like I so John davidson apparently loved to shave. He do it five times a day he like to come out there with a clean, clean, close shave. Who are the two comedians, are opening up form cabbie riggs on the there was in the video, but I remember now, teeterin mcdonald, they were accompanied. Do well pay us a ventriloquist act on top sure. Everyone back then had had a dummy at their disposal gear on the boy. Also, I think there can like what kind of funny worried me right as this academic that'll get some we're not funny enough to just be a comedy. Do right, no shade towards accurate up, because he will beat me up now, oh dear dear so aright

this that the club is packed out. The there was a wedding receptions going on and what is called the zebra room, like you said the king, the cabinet room. With the cabaret room, but the curtains could make it called the cabernet room for sure and all the wine you could meet her, and I bet they were. Servants have asked the super guantee in that three. They they that we're davidson was but that the point as their wishes there was, but he all over this place set such that if there was a fire like, we will soon see the other

Part of the facility wouldn't even know what was going on now, neither all I've there. I saw that there is a centrally three thousand people in that building at the time in the complex I should say, but it's not like. I was a bunch of different buildings. There was one big building with a bunch of huge room, so right arm. Yes, so there's three thousand people there on this. This. Where was this idea, and I think Friday night was made when he ate seventy seven. So so there were three thousand people there and there was a wedding party, one of those like half dozen wedding parties that Celebrating that day were in the zebra. And they left they were done. Their wedding party was over and I think a couple of servers came in to get some some trays. I think out of the place and notice that there is a thing, a smoke that was kind of bunching up in the back of the room,

they're like well, it's kind of odd and they went and got dick schilling, son rick, who came in with a fire extinguisher, but by the time he got there. Apparently it was spreading pretty quickly and it was made even worse by a bus boy whose name is lost to history or, at the very least, Dave didn't use his name, who opened the doors to the zebra room, to kind of help put the fire out, but instead that had the fact opposite effect. Here the whole backdrop effect that oxygen entering the room basically It is, I mean it didn't explode, but it did not explode like everything in that room, all of a sudden was on fire, and this is really really black smoke it with water,

a little bit later about what I always in it, but it was incredibly noxious as you would expect from a lavishly decorated place in late nineteen. Seventy seven, all manner of like terrible plastics in an fabrics that were were terrible when burned. Yes, so the zebra rooms on fire and apparently the when that the flames burst in the zebra room. It moved really quickly up the hall of mirrors, which will become suspicious later on and re moving toward the cabaret room. Well, there is a. I saw a sixteen year old this as eighteen year old, regardless there was a teenage busboy working there and he heard didn't see anything. He just heard over the grapevine that there was a fire in the zebra room. and he had the wherewithal to go on stage interrupting the great teeter mcdonald during

their comedy out ask them for the microphone and very calmly, said folks. Theirs fire in an adjoining room. It's nothing to panic about, but we all need to leave so their exits here in here. Please go ahead and make your way to the exits and about a third to half of the crowd laughed and clapped because they thought they. Walter bailey was part of teeter mcdonald, comedy and Tita mcdonald, said man, we need to steal that an added to our act later on, because I got a huge response. Yeah there's no way that they didn't get that ventriloquist thing out and say who This dummy from that guy got on stage has no way but Walter bailey. The huge here and there are a lot of hero. Things elsie, but here I mean man to being like sixteen to eighteen years old about anybody telling you too, like getting on stage interrupting him act in telling everyone calmly calmly leave. Yet everyone across the board says that he very cold

we told everyone. We need to go ahead in and go out the doors, yeah hats off the walter bailey, so people sort of started to leave other people would like. working backwards and drinking their drinks and surf and wondering what's going on and Eventually, the he cabernet room. It became evident when flames and heat and smoke burst through that entrance store and exactly what you would think happened happened. Witches people started the panicking they started, trying to get out any way they knew how or which it turns out was pretty confusing in a big place like this smoke, for there were two back exits, but to the doors pushed out two of them pull the n They found survivors who were basically crushed against those

we're pulling doors because you know once you get to that door and you have a a rush of people pushing in you can't even get the door open. So it's it's that that sad said typical? Seeing you hear about with a russia people aware a crush happens in People are stepping on one another trying to get out so part of it. Also. I saw it was started when a man in a dinner jacket who was kind of quickly making his way to that one exit where one the door was closed and the other was open, tripped and fell in a way and very closely behind him, fell on him and then the people and her fell on her and they just kind of stacked up sealing the fate of the people behind them, because that the margin of error in getting out of the cabaret room at that time, was razor thin as yet put like whether you lived or died depended on one side of it.

cable. You were sitting on having to get out of that cabaret room, that's how noxious that smoke was and how quickly it was killing people who were overcome, and so, when that pile of people started piling up by that one exit. There was only one exit to be had, and that was on the other side. if this thousand person room so a lot I believe that my died at that blocked exit right. There I think there was. There were several dead ends that people thought were exits like hallways that led the closets and code closets and things like that again, and you know when this thing is, when panic has said, there are people everywhere, it's full of smoke, you're just going in a direction. Basically that point and if you see a hallway and you run down it and you hit a dead end, then that that's basically it for you. In this kind of scenario, and very sadly there there were people who actually made it outside.

Only two like collapse and die on the front line here, because they couldn't get like four. air into their lungs soon enough a lot of four made, it out a surprising number, for me. It out so bear in mind. There's about three thousand people there in something on the order of twenty six hundred people made it out safely to the vast majority of the people who The die died at that one exit yeah there were no sprinklers installed in this was not a requirement, so that wasn't negligent, but it does bear mentioning an oh thanks to people like walter Bailey and the five hundred fire fighters who rushed to the scene and the thing burn for seven hours, but I mean you know a man. A hundred sixty five people is a lot of people to lose, but considering how mass of this place as in how many people were in there. and it's not like your ever prepared to flee. burning building, but I think out

drink in having a good time patinas after nine, like half of more probably drunk by that point, it was just a very tough situation and I think there are lucky that more didn't parish yeah. So a hundred victims were found at that one blocked exit. There was blocked by people as some people who had made it through that exit. Like you said it wasn't clear which way to go the exits weren't clearly marked thirty. People were recovered from the hallway offer that exit, and then there was a closet, offer that hallway that looked like an exit, but was just a closet in another, twenty people were found, their two hundred and sixty five people died. A hundred and fifty of them were all scattered in this really localised area offer the cabaret room right inside of the cavalry room right outside of the cavalry room yeah

The e me this video, the presentation and is well worth watching, if you're into this kind of, like then more thorough explanation of the way of the place. But it was the wills name that wrote that other book, a rubber webster year Webster, was presenting an he you know at one point the video he talks about some of the pictures he was showing and he was like. You know, We debated on what I felt like I could show as far as the, how can a gruesome got, but he said I did choose to show some of this because he said I feel, like you know, people that have never heard of this need to see a little bit of what really happened for it to have it's full impact and it didn't get too gruesome, but he did show. I mean there were no like close ups, but he did show shots,

People, like you know, dead on the line. I think she's gonna drive home how awful it was yet for sure I mean it's it's. It looks kind of like people like the people who were able to be got an out, including, like the ones like you said, just collapsed after they made it out themselves like they just looked like they were sleeping said this one kid who his name was bill. He was thirteen at the time he was another kind of zero in helping people bill. Klingon burg here he said that it looked like people were discussed, sleeping and there wasn't until, like you, realized the gue it sunk in that they were dead you're. Looking at a hundred plus dead people just laying around that are really became too nightmarish and they moved people to them

near by national armoury, Jim and use it as a makeshift morgue for families to come and identify people, and that's that's really worth pointing out like this. This is a small town like think. Like you said, thirty thousand people, probably less has a lot of people fled to las vegas. Came before so is a fairly small town and the people who were going there were residents. They work there, they, the whole town was a say, totally devastated by this fire one way or another. You were touched by this fire. Whether you've lost somebody directly where you knew someone who lost somebody, or you knew someone who is psychologically damaged now for having survived it. It was an it was it's it's just hard to overstate what a big deal. It was not just nash,

especially in this area, where it happened. Yeah there were another hundred and sixteen that suffered severe injuries. Obviously, from from the birds and the smoke inhalation, so? The question then is: did it was this arson? Did the mob do this? Yet n n Depending on who you ask, they will say it's either officially undetermined, which it is officially right arm or if you are the author of that first book bronson, he will say no. This was absolutely the mob and there were six official investigations are the first one, as was obviously ordered by the governor of at the time Julian carroll and said it was likely electrical in nature and blamed on aluminum wiring, but at zebra. Room where it started was bulldoze the next day, supposedly to get

more bodies out there and recover more more people, but who knows the people concerned that it was raised it as part of the cover up. They certainly can do the investigation any further investigations like they wanted to after that, so that bulldozing happen, by direct order of Julian Carroll, the the governor of Kentucky, which is a really weird thing to do, and some authors, I think bronson also Robert Webster, is basically I think I was so mobbed up. It's not even funny. The upshot of this is like we ve entered into this period furthers the sum realm were like all. These are conspiracy theories. The area was so mob influenced and it has such a hit tree of things burning down because of arson that it's really it's not far fetched at all. This isn't just in a local residents trying to make sense of something really psychologically damaging this really

these are historians and local, like longtime journalists, to a writing book saying, like yeah, the governor literally covered up this fire that killed a hundred and sixty five people, that was set under orders from the mob. Yet there was. there was an annual major nightclub fire. Every year, for seven straight years in northern kentucky, this was the most deadly, so I got the most news, but first straight years from seventy two, seventy seven one of these night clubs burned to the ground and its that's not coincidence. You know enough there was like we said, a grand jury investigation into dick chewing and whether or not he was negligent in any way, they said that at least the findings of the good.

Jerry, was that he clearly violated the fire code, but not to a criminal degree and his bronson put it basically, because apparently, the fire marshals there, like wallet We therefore hope, and then there pointing fingers and bronson the author eventually said everyone was guilty, so nobody was guilty, which sometimes is how the things go down yet so, like you said The cause remains undetermined. It was ruled in accident all out of People say no. This was arson and There are people who worked at the supper club who came forward. Afterward, kids, like you, said, a half dozen investigations were launched, so the people were either spoken to or they came forward on their own accord and said hey. There is some really weird

stuff going on at the supper club in the in the days and weeks leading up to this, including other, a couple of guys who were found in the basement: laundry room right below the zebra room, who caused an explosion a week before the fire, and these two guys said that they were working on the air conditioning and told the hostess I'm to leave gonna get out of here, which is not something that air conditioning rip if people say to the people who are working there very frequently, what else is there was an f b? I memo apparently couple of weeks before the fire at that. add an anonymous tipster. I heard I'm sorry. I had conversations with a stranger on a plane who predicted that it would be burned down and, and that could have been a real thing or it could have been just like hey that places. and twice little burn again, so I cannot put down in the may be category I personally without them

was a an employee who said that she overheard a heated discussion where two men wanted to buy the supper club and she said that and no one followed up on the tip and that she's received threatening phone calls to telling telling her to keep quiet about that. And then also this one was, I think, multiple people. They saw a man that they did, they couldn't identify. Wiping down. The walls of the hall of mirrors is the big with some weird smell liquid on the day of the fire. I remember the zebra room caught fire, but then the fire spread very quickly if the hull of mirrors to the cabaret room

And apparently there was another fire in nineteen: seventy five, where investigators found that the pink pussycat lounge in newport had been saturated in lubricant oil to help users as an accelerant and it's entirely possible. This was used as well in this there's other stuff too. If you watch that Robert webster presentation, I think on youtube. It's the same title of his book, the beverly hills, supper, club, colon, the untold story behind kentucky's, worst tragedy, and he says that there were like timers found in the basement, underneath the zebra room that the wiring had been ripped out from bugs and put in the outlets, and they are essentially the the upshot of this of people who believe that this was arson or may even actually know for a fact that was arson that it was not meant to happen on that Saturday night that it was supposed to happen on sunday morning and that the two governments who actually set up the timers says

I'm the the pm rather than a m and cause this massive tragedy, oh and that it was supposed to have been disbursed to the ground with no one there yeah, because, typically, if you burned down a business, a nightclub, something like that northern. Yet I could not trying to murder me now you did it on a sunday morning. Basically, I think there was one employee to that reported that they saw John davidson shaping stage he was saving ass. He caused the spark That is the story. There was one little bit here at the end. Dave included that it was also notable in legal terms and historically, because it was the first disaster case that ended up having a class action. mass toward law suit applied. There was a lorry name, stands justly who would be known as a master of disaster who got all these claims together more than three hundred victims into a class actions

against the aluminum wiring industry and even though that was never proven as the reason for the fire, they did have to admit that They knew that the wire could catch fire from overheating. and the jury awarded fifty million bucks in damages, and I think the fair he's received about thirty million dollars yeah, and I think that actually was the beginning in the end for aluminum wiring, the there's still like ongoing litigation over it. So you know we talked largely about newport, but the supper club itself was up highway, twenty seven or I guess down highway, twenty seven and south gate just outside of newport and that's hallowed ground to the people in that area, but it was recently sold. The entire site was sold to developer, who intended to put like condos in an assisted living,

facility and stuff on it, and so there's been a bunch of lawsuits, saying like no don't build at all or you can build, but you just can't build on the site of the supper club where you can build and say the separate We can't bill over the cabaret room where most of the deaths occurred, and I can't quite tell if the if the project is moving forward if it's just stalled out right now or what they're going to do, but I believe that they, put a memorial up where the cabaret room is or if they haven't yet they're going to very soon. All this news was like twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, when that's good yeah, so they're still and apparently there's there's people convinced that there are still remains on the site, and I guess there I saw picture taken in the way

and there is a burned like cock cocktail tray in the woods, and this is like a picture taken in like two thousand and eight or nine or something like that- shows that, like there's still stuff in the woods, so it really is hallowed ground for sure, wow yeah, you got anything. now this is a story. I never heard, and I guess Dave thought of its own ready the way to go day thanks for this one and since I said way to go day, that means of course everybody it's time for listener. Mail address about avocado, toast It's led the show been working my way through the back catalogue. As I'm doing some diy work on her house. You have saved my sanity, but I wanted to address josh's comment about the relatively recent hipster fascination with toast, giving us avocado toast. This is the correction. Now it's not a correction. Okay, great! I love this one. Yet this is just a little.

Guess what thing he goes to my dad has mashed and avocado on toast and added salt and pepper. Since I was a kid in the nineteen seven war, it's funny, it seems, like a very seventies, dad thing to do with the kids on like what he is doing and he's like. Oh, it's delicious he's like leave me alone. Back to your maxim is a matter of fact: I'm not a big advocate of an agenda, but I still owe that version of advocate of just and just in case you're wondering my dad was not a funny far from it. Eight hamburger stake in microwave vegetables every night for dinner for decades, while my siblings and I used a joke that is bognor if he should be called beyond practical.

I grew up in san diego, which I think grows more avocados in anywhere else in the u s, so we could usually just get them cheaply in season. I bet I bet your dad was stealing them from the neighbor's yard would be my guess or just want to let you know that some of us have been avocado toast enthusiasts more than fifty years, thanks again for keeping me entertained and educated with a show. It's fantastic, really can't! Thank you enough, and that is from a cookie davis, nice cookie, first of all, awesome name. Secondly, thanks for the story, I appreciate it then. Thirdly, I have a question for cooking. If anybody can answer it is a hamburger steak. Just like a hamburger without the bun. Is that right, yeah I used to when I was a line cook when I was believe it or not. Thirteen years old at jedi's bbq, oh yeah, with the foot yeah I would add, cook the griddle bread girl

in the member states, and a hamburger stake is just granby shaped like a new york strip and that's all it is so it's not like round like a hamburger. I guess technically, you could serve it that way, but the idea is to make it Long and rectangular, like its steak and it's really kind of funny, but you wanna hear some funnier. Made one of those. Two weeks ago myself. we get in our sea. Essay rca say see as I go s article miami It's a little when you go to some parking lot and a bunch of farmers, farmer, hippies food bag and stuff yeah, or go up what the csc think. It's called a c S. A co op, surprise aardvark, but they got this really delicious local locally raised humanely, raised ground beef,

and it's delicious by the most noticeable difference. You could imagine from like something you would get in a grocery store, wow and ours you know what I don't have anything else here in the house, so I'm going to make some veggies and make a hamburger steak. So I've been making some really great recipes from your friend Kenji lopez alt delete. He is that guy is just amazing. I am a big fancy. Now he's the best and I'm not sure how much we can mention him and be ignored, but here's yet another yeah. I was, If he's a friend of the show and doesn't know exactly but yeah, it's, I think I made the carnage saga I can't remember the name of it recipe, but it's like the best carne asada or something like that. It was so easy, but so good in the all comes down to like doing

your own stuff, like, rather than using ground human like mine, cumin, hawk human, like museums, tell, sing them and then putting up like a grinder sounds like a lot, but actually really easy and it produces like just amazing sub or like the using like whole dried police and then reconstituting, unlike just little things like Maybe you're, like an extra step that make this enormous world of difference. It's almost as if eating real or foods is the better way, almost chuck almost he's a food scientists who knows a study out, it's beyond chef them just stood. make a batch of his chocolate chip cookies and see me in the morning. Oh by the way, I know I told everybody about sallies baking, addictions, chocolate, brown, butter, chocolate, chip, cookies and I I went to go. Look at the recipe. see about browning butter again in the comments there's like ten people are like gesture and stuff

no semi here we're like bizarre thing, because I wasn't expecting it at all, but the other side of it is. I tried sallies baking addiction, brown, butter, sugar, cookies, they may be even better than brown butter chocolate chip cookie. So if you tried the chocolate chip cookies, please I beseech you go make the sugar cookies too, and tracking geezer chocolate chip, cookies. Ok, we will try them all. I've got no problem with that: yeah they're, all good, If, yes, nothing, I'm just starving now, who was a cookie, they wrote in that was cooking yeah cause great. What if you want to be like cookie and go on about cookies, you can send us an email to stuff podcast. I iheart radio, dot com, If you should know, is a production of, I hurt radio for more podcast, my heart radio,

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