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knew how van or you'd challenges so I'm here, he's the holidays, and I heartland in fortnight hides a high heart radio dot com slush. I heartland today welcome to stop? You should know a production of iheart radio. They had walked into the pool guest, I'm jars and there's a shocking jerry's here too, and this is stuff. You should know that a horse vote. They take your pick, buddy well the working time over. This wind is history veterinary medicine, or when did people stop the caring about horses in cows when it The animals, the answer to that question is pretty recently actually in what they are, and, I should say, livestock sure, just to show that the eighteen word title to supply were dark livestock sector

word and then mast is also one of my favorite words for the kind of earthly homeliness it has to at last, the collection of edible nuts, the massacres in squirrels mia live off of your mast, acorns. Just that's all. It suffers under the umbrella of masts. Don't you isn't it like livestock livestock mass measuring things by the foot wearing like a cloth hat the kind of has that same vibe going on and I love it all yeah, because I can picture a stinker squirrel just like chewing and going hey you want to. It's a mast we're running low and mass. Let's get some more mass gas after this man. In the other mass. We only get to mass, let our libya did a great job, because what I asked for an article about, veterinary medicine, I was. I will well said what I really want is like the hissing, that mary medicine,

one of those old kind of articles where it's like that you should. I mean it's a little bit of that at the very end, but I found this endlessly fascinating to where we were in where we are now yeah, it's kind of like the history of dentistry episodes, that I'll look at that. So yeah you have a thing with history of medical field. Apparently I guess so so we're talking about that's specifically the history of veterinary medicine, and we don't exactly know when it starts- are first unambiguous evidence that people carrying medically for animals comes about the you whitish hundred years ago in the mesopotamian city of la our somebody named Earl a girl edina I was mentioned,

As somebody who is an expert in healing animals, I guess scrawled on a bathroom wall somewhere in le gosh sure, but we presume that the people were caring for animals thousands of years before that, because we domesticated animals thousands of years before that in just by the very first two of us depending on those animals. Somebody along the way figured out it's kind of important to keep these animals healthy and happy, and we need to figure out tips and techniques for doing that, and that was lay the birth of veterinary medicine. Yet I mean you're there I've depended on these. This livestock livestock mascot and so of course they wanted to keep these things alive, so they could use them at all. They said they were used and, of course, we're talking about at the time like very rudimentary stuff. I came what should we feed them and then was watch and a thriving, so

I watch this feeder more of that or less of this, so in other words, let's work on their diet was who we can get that right, but see what kind of like. Herbs and fruits and routes, and things like that we could used to train, heal them, there is the actual word veterinarian, which is an english term based on them? verb that the hearing the v, h e r I, which isn't a draw as unlike in drawing a horse or something like that, like a was a wagon yeah, Then you could with a nerd scholarship. If you could draw that bear it right. The horses were the one thing that I could draw, because I had a book once that taught me how to draw draws really. So you start with three: is that a book or movie or something I dunno? It sounds like something well. Those eyes is ever it is okay. So you start you start with a big circle, and then you make us law,

It would less big circle a little to the left that and then a little up into the left. Above that slightly less big circle. You do a smallish circle and then you ve got the rump the front in the head of the horses to start feeling lines and from there and believe me today that works every works really. Well. Can you still draw horse and tried a really long time, but will you try and draw a horse and put them on your instagram? I would ask you please, I well by josh aged forty. That's funny and then look. You know you can look back on it when you're fifty six and have all those fine memories like I I was so terrible at drawing him. He can pull it out and say, look what you did when you were forty six. So you gonna get to the? U s, but all of this action right now in terms of caring for cattle and

susan cheapen things is a medieval, whereas in europe, and in medieval europe. You might you know, a status symbol, animal like hey, I'm a falconer, something check out this bad boy or levies, regal greyhounds. So they would air in that case, very specifically would care for what we think of as a pet, but that was the common thing in pets as far as veterinary, it didn't come around so much much later. No, but this does support part of a long standing tradition that exists still today that the the well off

it is to the uber. Wealthy are responsible for funding veterinary practices. Yeah, you know it's true yeah and I'm in in great britain, in the united states and the the ideas were that if you were responsible for and for putting shoes on a horse, if you were a farrier, you also more often. I think that she's gonna horseback than you would carve their toenails sure are their hooves. I guess is another way to put it there toenail, if you wanna, get technical, but that there is a certain way you can car of em to make them faster to make a more stable to make sure there not their feed are an aching that kind of thing and that kind of involved into the earliest. I guess in the u s in great britain, practitioners of of horse medical care. If, if you went to see the farrier that he could probably help you with your help

especially, if you needed your horses junk cut off the air, they they would that's one of the surgeries they would a or could perform for you. You could also, to a cow leech which is just gonna? What you think it's someone who denounced and he takes care of house. I guess it would use leaching methods and things, but it was someone who specialised in dealing with your sick cow, and again they were. The ferries in the colleges did this stuff because they were Mr round them all the time. So it makes sense if you're shoeing a horse you just yet more maybe an intuitive sense of how to help a horse in autumn say: right, yeah and eastern europe basically learn this as an apprentice, which means that some ice good ideas were passed along. Some really bad ideas were passed along. There wasn't any book learning about caring for animals at the time.

there wasn't a lot of specialization outside of farriers it in. I guess, aside from, I get the impression that cows were getting some site attention here, but for the most part it was hoarse horse horse of current was negative driving force of the estate. Bushmen of a veterinary medicine is an actual specialist field. Yeah big, and you might be surprised, you may be surprised to learn that it sort of not quite lockstep but assorted, progressed if hills. Just behind medicine on humans, lacking as we started dissecting humans. They started dissecting horses and it just sort of expenses like these or other living mammals, and if we learn how to study by and then muscles and organs of people. Then we certainly learn how to do that. On this horse, a sea change book came along and sixteen times

by it? Would there be Jim a surge of asia, I'm going through vase. Ok, vase markham colony, hotel name by given its markham yeah boy, had stay. There and love how alike on the no. No, then, the fake name you used to live in a world that that's, why I told you you, during the january break it sends a go still jane, jarvis market. It sounds more they were white. He'll law firm there The right turn way here. I don't know why He'll dwell here right, our and now now, Karen white, hot, a wider lover. Yeah we have long argued. You now know: that's a great hotel named a chicken under your base mark out to catch, and this was back when both titles were more evident

description of what's in the book rather there and they still try and get to that like we learn that when we tabled our own book but they were really on the nose back then this was called markings masterpiece. So, p easy containing all knowledge belonging to smith. Farrier, or a horse liege touching and curing all diseases and horses and not joking. When I said this thing was a big deal, it was the go to book for two hundred plus years. They were printing. This thing, two hundred years, imagine if our book was printed for the next two years. This essentially be like the horse, caring for bible it was. The problem is again a lot of those bad ideas got put into this book to and spread like using reaches for bloodletting for things like purging, which I think is exact He would it sounds like making your arm it me,

exactly using herbal remedies, some of which may or may not have worked. It's not like we're saying, like nope, modern veterinary medicine is the only possible way to care for an animal. Like I'm sure, a lot of these folk remedies did actually worked from and people trying them over and over again finding this this. This is pretty effective yeah, but there was also a lot of bunk in there too. Yet these books were good enough that they for two hundred years the were used to care for horses right. I just want to make sure that we got that point across shall we take a break or wait? Let's take a break check, I'm getting a little rather was alright, get settled there its nineteen sixty seven, the cold war and justice, Stalin's daughters deadline of the princess of the kremlin,

Just fled mother russia, her new home, a place where the roads are paved with gold and people, big apple, pies out a baseball's and freedom a place. called america that story alone would be worthy of a podcast, but this one that laws that laana is about. What comes next and it's crazy, a story. I've ever heard it has kgb agents, mystics anne frank, lloyd, right, commune, destiny, immortality and unbreakable cycles, weird sex duff, weird money, stuff, weird dances, three old does to settle on us and one neurotic gate playwright who won't shut up about it. All guess which one I am listen to such a lot of stuff. on the iheart radio apple apple podcasts.

Wherever you get your podcasts in nineteen, eighty cocaine was captivating and corrupting my miami had become the murder capital of the united states. I would like and millions of dollars categorize while, while unleashing a wave of violence, my god tat, walk into the devil, stand the car sales, scaled everybody- was how they start pulling out pictures of clue williams body taken the everglades. Or orbiting around a mysterious man with a controversial claim, this drug pilot name of the more chester he ever ran into the thing with brass. Until I turned over that low to go ooh mom the eye the would claim he did it all for the cia, putting money into a sprawling federal investigation, so claim wasn't the only person who was murdered by a long shot. I'm lauren Brad Pacheco, join me for murder in miami

Since the murder in miami on I iheart radioactive apple, podcast or wherever you get your podcast in nineteen, sixty eight five black girls, dressed in oversized military fatigues were picked up by the police and Montgomery alabama. I was whose interests do more and take it anymore. The girls had run away from a reform school, the alabama industrial school for negro children, and they were determined to tell someone about the abuse they suffered. Their picture, the worst environment to children that you possibly can. I believe meant me for pattern after story. I didn't understand why? I had to go through what I was going through in four way: I'm right, Erin, reporter chelsea, duffy rice and in a new podcast. I investigate how this reform school went from being a safe haven for black kids to a nightmare and how those five black girls changed. Everything all that

an unreformed, listen to unreformed on the iheart radio, asked apple pie Tass or wherever you get your pipe cats ok, chuck, you talked about a siege enjoys on what a real, soon Jane you. I got one right here: there's a guy named claude borg. Lot boys a lot. He was a riding academy instructor. Actually, the I ran the writing academy in Leon France back in the seventeen sixties, and he said you know But there's not a lot of like form all science based education in caring for horses,

I think, that's problematic. So I'm going to write a little book in seventeen fifty and talking about how to care for horses, but also I'm going to kind of like go to lose. The fifteenth in his court and say guides is really actually very important, It does have an enormous impact on our lives and I really think that we should start setting up horse veterinary schools in louis the fifteenth said. Okay, I'm with you man, let's, let's try it yeah. He said you wanna, you wanna, keep hunting foxes, kingly said sure? Instead, he, your horses are doing so hot, then there is no school to to make them feel better. Are you find this and they fund I believe temporarily at first, I guess it proved to be. You know at least successful enough to really put on the books were good. What what really change things was

They came along called the render pest, which totally sounds like some folk horror movie, ARI astor thing, right, but the render pests was the cattle plague and it hit you. In a big big way. and we're talking to the tune of about two hundred million cattle dying over the course of what is that, like fifty something years europe alone yet in europe, so that that really made king Louis sit up and take notice so that sure term grant become, became permanent state support. in this board July guy was he was a really big deal because he started a couple of schools and its, it is what these schools did, but it was also but these schools then sprouting other schools the p.

well that he instructed then going on in teaching others. It was really just the beginning of a movement which were vet school and it was good that they started that that that that was kind It's like the ground, zero for veterinary medicine because they seem to actually know what they were talking about. They use science based science backed best practices, and they it wasn't just a lot of hokum. You know they actually said. Does this actually work, let's test it out and and so it did spread. I think it first to vienna in seventeen sixty seven. About six years after the Leon school was up london, seventeen, ninety one, berlin, seventeen, ninety two and then in over those of us in america you're like in amerika in well. It wasn't about a little less than a hundred years. Leader, Bulgaria site before america, really started to get serious about veterinary medicine. Yet was

almost as if the american colonists set things up in there, Alright we're gonna can do things. It's like they were done one hundred years ago, europe, where we came from that like with the other cared about, forces in cattle just in the same way that you minos far depend on them for all the things that livestock provided. But that was not. It was just way less. ass. They were still doing the the let's freedom. This is what happens in and This is a new country, so they were, there was a bit of a learning curve. I think, as far as climate in like what's available to eat and stuff like that. But it was it so different. They had to color go back a hundred years. I don't think they were still using your vase Markham though they were actually right, they definitely were yet the thing I saw it described as so in the united states in particular. It was just basically taken for granted that if you

own a horse or you own livestock. You the horse over the farmer, has the knowledge to care for and keep those those animals healthy. that is your responsibility that it was just viewed as you know that granary medicine was just viewed as another chore around the farm. It was not something that you need a book learning for. You didn't need some pencil neck from the city. can't tell you how to do it right. There was just up to the fund the horse owner to to care for their animal Now I've got something kind of staggering here: Lydia dug up the horses. Of course he will go akin man, and so he did not say horses were the main animal that everyone was concerned with. But There was an analysis of advertisements veterinary remedies found in tennessee, newspapers from eighteen, forty, nine to nineteen hundred and

that more than half worse from were four horses. and then following an order were cows, chickens, hogs and sheep, and what's astounding, me is. That means someone did and analysis veterinary remedy. retirements intimacy, its papers, eighteen, forty, nine, nineteen hundred yeah yeah we were those can be like you, so you found an astounding halloo. Did I told it out at the end some people who had too much funding you think leave you did it? no, I saw the paper and I don't remember who wrote it man house, I haven't you guys and went over and above this time it was me the thing that what was his name claude the lot the guy, the Leon veterinary academy that can respond so many others the thing that he warned louis, the fifteenth about like hey man, you really depend on horses, a lot. We need to keep them safe. That kind of came in bit america horse

in america in the rear end, and because, by the eighteenth seventies there was a horse plague kind of like cattle render pest which, by the way chuck I just want to say this- do not render pest. Is one of two diseases considered eradicated from earth, the other being smallpox? Oh, really, yeah. It's all kind of like how smallpox devastated humanity render pests devastated cattle for very, very, very long time, and so we too said were done with this, and so in two thousand eleven it was declared eradicated. They should decide that about all disease, I agree there like we're, still make air mind about the historical we're done with this. We must get rid of it. Ok, so there was a horse play that came around. At least some sort of an epidemic that really kind of spread throughout the united states and dumb it showed amerika. I gave you guys, really depend on horses, because the horses all called in sick to work.

They did- and this is a time when there was- I think, what they were bonded with was hey. We need to care for our horses it, wasn't necessarily medical care. Still. It was again, let's see if we can get their diet better. Maybe if these forces really sick, we should clean there stables out more, maybe we should get. You know, no change their blankets out given clean blankets, things like that, but it still wasn't any. But they had soared the home remedies and stuff they were still doing, but It was at this. I guess what would at the time. Advanced medical veterinary care happening. No end as a result, because they hadn't really figure this out. Yet those horses they were sick, the fire, the great fire, boston and eighteen. Seventy two burned as badly as it did, because the fire department basically had to show up on foot there weren't any horses.

saleable they were all sick and also from that outbreak in the eighteen. Seventy, the as peace yea developed and was actually given policing, power, in new york city, because they would go around and inspect horses out on the street to see if they were sick, because if you were an owner- and you were making your horse work, sick, you're in big trouble, especially with the ass pisa till she could make other horses sicker. You were just doing the wrong thing, both ok, that's good enough and again, this is in america. They were lagging behind such there were still using, like you know, charms and rituals and bells and things in some kind of rural It's of america at first, it's kind of funny to think about, but this is this is what it looked like at the time chuck tell them how to cure bots, which is a parasitic fly infection that horses can get well, if you're talking about the one from the eighteen twenty book. This is from a healer. I guess a horse healer in pennsylvania.

in boxes that are parasitic infection right, here's what you do know you're making me with this. You would quote stroke the horse down with a hand three times so far so good. Lead it about three times holding its head toward the sun, saying. The holy one saith Joseph past over a field and there He found three small worms the one being black another being brown and the third being read thou. all shalt die and be dead. Passing your neighbor rather were doing this winches below you need to get locks for our doors there, they just stroke that horse down three times so moving on chuck. Finally, in the united states, medicine itself was really professionalized until the aid

in forties, but around the same time kind of like you were saying- and I think it was great Britain where the anatomists and the veterinarians started kind of working side by side, co evolving. Similar thing happened in the united states again to a hundred years later, so weird that it took, longer and then find it was in large part thanks to the the civil war too, they gave people a great appreciation of of the the importance of the horse and how much we needed to care for the thing is, worse still, totally focused on the horse? Not just in the united states but round the world, if you are a veterinarian, all you do is horses may be cows, maybe chickens. If you have,

huge gambling problem and are in debt or sheep. That's it that's about it yet, but really the big focuses on horses still just sources, guys a promise, we're gonna get to doggies and kiddies at some point, as to mount a big step forward was in eighteen, sixty three. there were some that mary surgeons from seven different states who met in new york city and said, had some drinks and said have you seen was going on other in the country like their store nor is this down in like they're doing, which spells, and it's just the stone age. We need to get it together and said they said morley to that end, Established the: u s, veterinary medical association, which would become the and you can bet narrowly met that mary medical association and said you we should do well. Let anyone in who is who says there

practicing veterinarian that has or even a student that has at least three years experience and they could get em if they can practice. Pass an oral exam like that. You get good teeth, that's actually that when I first whether by the way, For for two seconds I was like what is I got to do. What a dummy pass, an oral exam and could provide documentation or even testimonials debts, you know these are my qualifications, they had to walk around the room, with a stack of both on their heads without dumping them over? That's right, very important work, in Josiah H, stickney the gradual of harvard medical school was the very first president of of the at the time, the? U S, VM a and that's a list that Yet you know harvard medical school.

You're right there in up with the with medical doctors at the time right and I became the eriksson veterinary medical association, which is still around today- and this was the eighteen sixties right. Eighteen sixty three year congress then said: hey get this. We want to get in on the act. If you are a if, during the cavalry you have to have at least one, barrier in a regiment and that farrier, if you're going to take care of horses, you to have a degree from the granary college. We college we're gonna start taken seriously from now on: everybody: ok, no more messing around no more hex craft or anything like that were done with that marine again. The science now could stroke it down that horse and go to school. a lot of veterinary institutions sprang out from this and These were for profit places that the quality was very unevenly still ivan about. That

the quality was very uneven at these schools, and most of them were in big cities, of course, still focusing on his horses but then something weird Heaven the automobile came along. Horses were gonna, kick to the curb, literally and off the street. It's an all of a sudden. A lot of these veterinary schools caused upshot there. I well, that's it! That's that's our project, What else is there to do by the end of the nineteen twenties? They were all but gone yes, but there was a an astounding stroke of good luck for the veterinary and who were who were around at the time came here, and that is that up to that point like if you treated anything but horses. You were on a descending hierarchy, kind of like I was talking about before, and one thing you just did not do was treated, ox if you're a veterinarian. You did not treat dogs,

and veterinarians were totally fine with that until the horse kind of lost its importance like you're talking about, and so veterinary and kind of starting to look around, and they realise that in great Britain there was a woman named maria diccon who had established the people's dispensary for sick animals of the poor and remaining yes free treatment to any sick animals. Anybody brought it It was a real hit among the poor, an cheapskate pet owners at the time, and they were doing it without any veterinary training whatsoever. They were just using trial and error, and just from that kind of experience actually got really good at treating odds and so veterinary and said. Well, we don't have horses to practice on anymore we're going to take us dogs and we're gonna go after the pd essay and basically make them work with us. If you like, that's a great the little cliffhanger there, finally, a doggies were still not at kiddies, yet everybody believe it or not.

It took even a little bit longer but we get that right after this, its nineteen sixty seven, the cold war and Joseph Stalin's daughters deadline of the princess of the kremlin just fled mother russia, her new home, a place where the roads are paved with gold and people, big apple, pies out a baseball's and freedom a place,

called america. That story alone would be worthy of a podcast, but this one that laws that laana is about. What comes next and it's crazy, a story I've ever heard. It has kgb agents, mistakes and a frank, lloyd, right, commune destiny, immortality and unbreakable cycles, weird sex duff, weird money, stuff, weird dances, three august to spell honours and one neurotic gay playwright who won't shut up about it? All guess which one I am listen to study launched wanna on the eye, her radio apple podcasts or wherever you get your part in nineteen. Eighty cocaine was captivating and corrupting my Why am I had become the capital of the united states? I would like, and millions of dollars categorized as law while

unleashing a wave of violence. My god tat, I walk into the devil, stand the car failed, is killed. I remind me his how they start pulling out pictures of clay williams body taken up the everglades old orbiting around and mysterious man with a controversial claim, this drug pilot, the name of the more chester. Did you ever run into the thing with brass, until I turned over that low to go ooh mom The would claim he did it all for the cia pulling money into a sprawling federal investigation. So clay wasn't the only person who was murdered by a long shot, I'm lauren bright pacheco join me for murder in miami listen to murder in miami on the I heart radioactive apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts in nineteen, sixty eight five black girls dressed in oversized military fatigues.

Were picked up by the police and Montgomery alabama. I was tired and do more and take it anymore. The girls had run away from a reform school. at the alabama industrial school for negro children and they were determined to tell someone about the abuse they suffered their purchase, a worse environment to children that you possibly can. I believe, melt me for pattern after story. I don't understand why I had to go through what I was going through and for what I'm right around reporter josie duffy rice and in a new podcast. I investigate how this reform school went from being a safe haven for black kids to a nightmare and how those five black girls changed. Everything all that an unreformed listen to unreformed on the iheart radio asked apple pie cas or wherever you get your pie cas

or it sir, where we left off was you introduce a woman named maria diccon who did great work, kind of founding the the idea of what would you Oh I'm like adventure, It's like a free animal clinic, yeah, free clinic for animals, yeah suffering for animals it'd be like there's a word that acquaint kit quaint land on it's free clinic. No, that's not it! Ok, but but is it so it's fine, but in laboratory she did she too great they think they had, a patient load at one point in infirmary. Now then I'm out of idea. Your eye of

over four hundred thousand like treatments per year. That's a lot! That's a lie, but, like you said that the people that studied in schools that's all of a sudden found their coffers empty. Because all the way His words standing around doing nothing now a very wealthy womanly, fifty thousand pounds the pd essay. And the royal college of veterinary surgeons said wait a minute. We should have some of that money. Here's. Your given almost money to this place is not even accredited with doctors and that's what I've got them together and they started high. doctors either kind of permanently as full time staff or form their cases to these professional doctors right in. So veterinary medicine kind of transitioned at the same time that people in the west great britain in the united states as well we're starting to kind of change how they viewed dogs, like there D,

if, in from the outside, they became members of the family and so as Dutch people were willing to spend money on their medical treatment and they would go to medical Vessels in the veterinary practitioners were waiting there with open arms and bills in hand. Right. So we move on to our second hero of the story: viewer cat person. You need to know this man's name and it was louis or louis. You know which one let's go was louis. No, no, no, no and I realize now it's gotta be leeway is louis, because his name is LUCA moody, Ezra, Blooey, Jake immunity was in that nary, a specialist in new york city and Louie community said you know what a cat saved my life. When I was a kid there was a house fire

yes, this cat whenever to him and went or fire welcome moody up, and this is his story- and he said it. So you know what I'm gonna do. I'm to dedicate my life to caring for the cats of the grey? new york area and everyone with it. But what you? Wouldn't you mean cats You mean these things, we do things a kick off the sidewalk is there annoying us and who had cats the thing that saved my life right and dumb? He actually his daughter credited him with elevating. Adds to the status they enjoy now again is like a beloved member of the family. I love her before. If you kept cats around, it was probably because you had a rat problem. The cats provided a function they were like you know. working animals in a lot of ways and all of a sudden their pets, and he wrote a book called all my patients are under the bed, so darn cute. It is super cute, so louis community, sir,

in a second hero and then there's another hero that comes up in a second. I don't want to jump too far ahead, but I'm going to give everybody your name. Her name is Layla miller yeah and she is known as the mother of shelter medicine and thanks to her in the nineteen seventies and people working in the decades leading up to that and we went from. The wholesale slaughter of dogs and cats an unwanted dogs and cats to essentially no kill, shelters that killed just a tiny fraction euthanize a tiny fraction of the dogs and cats that come come in to their their door. Shelter. That was the word out lookin. For now it was quite right now an infirmary works. Better laboratory works better than shelter, all of whom work better here, sometimes you're. Looking for the wrong word, vienna me, I guess he's gotta

Yes, we don't have to get to in depth here, but suffice to say well into the nineteen seventys, the may we got rid of stray dogs and stray cats was reprehensible in terrible I have to say one thing, though I agree, we don't need to get into it, but there were so you know how like theirs just like it literally open season on some animals that there's too much of still today they com, callings or whatever. It was like that in the cities, but with dogs and cats yeah. But it makes me think, click. Ok, everybody back. There was super heartless, not true. There were sociopath EC sick owes. Who would become

people who who like killed their quota in their workload, is by the way, but they were round these. These dogs and cats up and carry him off in the wagon does wagons would be frequently attacked. I end of drivers like beaten and the cats and dogs inside freed by just average residence in a city when they saw these wagons go past. Why even back then? So there were two: I think most people still felt about you know animals like dogs and cats like we do today. Just they didn't keep him in their house, but they still pharmacies living sentient beings that are worthwhile and shouldn't be. You know, murdered for your good reason by some, the local psycho totally well, are its back delilah miller and lady said that cause it's a pretty good factoid, I'm not I'm not for sale, taken matters in your own hands and like street violence. But in that case free the dogs, and I'm glad you said that, because I couldn't

a few are bored with my story or not now not at all. means. We have a t shirt. Emily has that sends a very popular shirts is behind the animals or I'll, kill you It is saliva miller. She was one of the very first after American woman to graduate from Coronel veterinary college she was the one like you said she came along said. We can do better. At the time. Even if you know I guess they were mostly kill, shelters at the time, But even if maybe you were one of the few that wasn't, it was still probably like a warehouse that didn't you great care for animals. It just was not like what it is today You have my word miller to thank for that. Yes, she the table, change protocols, yeah for sure see she likes. It basically came into the field, and

this is all low hanging fruit, we're doing basically nothing to help improve the lot of these animals. So, let's are doing things like setting up adoption programmes making sure they get vaccinated. Making sure they get spayed and neutered. That was a fairly recent thing from the sixties or the seventies. Maybe- and oh, no, I'm sorry from the it started in the thirties. But culturally, it wasn't really right, big thing until the sixties or the seventies thanks to people like Leila Miller and Bob barker, no joke and and as a result because of these, these protocols that she came up with and just the complete change in attitude she brought to anna I shelters, turn the rates of euthanasia, just lama in cities around the country like if you want to be grow, stout go euthanasia rates of cities like los angeles or new york or boston. Unlike nineteen sixty yeah, it's just

mind, boggling and now it's down to just a small fraction of what it used to be, because so many of those dogs are adopted out because of these changes. Protocols thanks to leyla miller and others, liker yeah yeah, and I mean just so much has changed since then. as the dog and cat population has grown, even more and more pets of have come inside. I anything like it started having pets awhile ago and it's been fairly static but again This step between eighty eight, eighty, eight and twenty seventeen, the her pet dogs. In the! U s grew by fifty percent and by a twenty eighteen, almost two thirds of household pets and at least households, and at least one pet and those pet, sometimes at that's, correct, and just as you know, I you and I grew up in the seventies and eighties, I'm a little bit older, but I even remember being a kid and like very

shamefully, let me we didn't live in the country, but we live. You know he lived in the woods on a couple of acres in suburban atlanta, unlike my parents, grew up in an not rural tennessee, but you know that in Europe, in big cities, in the nineteen like fortys and fifty's, so like I'd, we didn't take our animals to the vat like we had cats that men went they weren't inside. We had dogs that were out in outdoor, and that is not to say like you know, If people have a very nice outdoor enclosure for their dog and that works for them in the dog is safe, that's a personal choice, I think I should be in bed with you personally for sure, but I'm not gonna like I'm, not shaming people might have an outdoor dog or cat as long as you're really really cared for. It's not what I do, but back then, like our animals, Never came in sight of a cat happened and run inside. It was like getting. Out of here

I was saying that I was like the cats inside it gets inside right, but the the notion of- and this was like- even that- I care like if they really really really needed something our animals go to the vet, and this is like the shameful admission. This isn't maternal out my family, this is kind of how it was is what I'm saying, and but notion of taking your animals in once a year for a check up right was just peace. didn't do that kind of thing back then no, it's a really relatively new thing and it's a gate Then lockstep with the out of money, that the middle class in words were willing to pay it to take care of their pets. Any amount of that's that's part of it, also, I believe that veterinarians have come up with new and amazing ways to two billion that? You have spent money on your part, o god bless him. We spend a lot of money there. First,

sure and then also there's been a lot more specialization as a result. So you don't have to go to the same vet for your dogs. You know rabies shot and to treat their young tumor or something like that. Like there's, there's at oncologists, neurologists epidemiologists, and it's it's really something, but cause voter marion's, their data learn essentially as a profession, they went from being complete with all their eggs in the horse basket to tee really abandoning the horse and putting it all in the pet basket and, as a result, there is this a real shortage of rural veterinarians, who are large animal vets. they know how to work on a horse that that no the work on a cow and the I'm I'm guessing that that gonna, be something that will have to be addressed eventually gear for sure I mean really amazing how things have changed in the past. Like you have thirty forty years in the united states,

and I want to shout out my bed. Can I do that. Yes, well shut out, haven't they'll veterinary hospital, because their greatness we followed our dr stacy stacy username, I assume that when she left our old that to go to a new practice, we follow her there because she's so great so big ups to DR stacy and dark the graph and Michel and kim and leona and cat in abbe in jordan for in carry and everyone else who helps out there. There awesome- and I guess you know me more people are becoming an. We should mention another reason that there's more veterinary care is more people are interested in becoming vets,

break that job has really exploded over the last twenty or thirty years, yet fisher its good work. I guess I'll shoot out most that were actually torn right. Now is most vat laughed doktor, John Asko, whose awesome she went to another practice, but we love a practice that, most at so much really hemming and going about that's tough, see we were ready to leave we're getting were thrust. it with other parks parts of the old practice. So when doktor stacy left, we were like a great. This is perfect. That's awesome, though. That's a tough decision for you it The compromise we came up with the words is gonna, get we're going to double by everything that my guess, I'm just gonna, both yeah right after the other man doubling your bet bill alone. I have a little more anecdote. If you don't mind me sharing, I would love to hear about little mama. So you me told me just

morning that mo has a new, so you said dogs should sleep in bed with you mo definitely sleeps in bed with us and and most developed a new habit where you may will be spooning mile m mobile, By that she wants to get on the other side now, but rather than to get up and crawl over, you mean get on the other side. She wants. You meet a spoon her, but on the other side of the ship tap, you me until he wakes up Yeah, I guess there she needs to roll over now because more once the spoon on the boy it's than I hurried yet mo, runs us for sure. Well, at least you somebody's in charge. You anything else another out, ok or if you will know more about veterinarians, go we give friendly The veterinary and they'll tell you what you want to know and since I saw that it's time for listener mail.

all right. So I can't put off any longer we're gonna go through some of the favourite tangents twenty twenty two. from in bowers of Sandusky ohio input, gather our tangents in non sequiturs list of twenty twenty one and we said hey. If you want to keep doing, this will read it, so he and said great. So here we go. It is pretty quick that these are. These refund walked down memory lane for us, because we forget these jokes overtime. The mystery of the toynbee tiles. Josh's love of the outward hitchcock presents the three detectives books are the mystery of coal episode, stainless steel, pickup truck city, limpets and how you still haven't seen them. Here, though, is part of a few.

What are land acknowledgements from may tenth a beastie boys dad joke, leads, chuck and josh to reciting their favorite beastie boys line chuck reveals he accidentally taught his daughter and inappropriate beastie boys lyric when she was too young. Did I tell you off the air? No, I don't believe you did so we're gonna to take a short break and I'll, let you know right now and then we'll be back in one second the oh is goodness that go with it starches literal reaction to what I just told them, I'm so sorry, everybody is again tell everybody. Sorry, oh interestingly, cats, invasive species on discussion right at the top of josh and checks. Favorite newspaper cartoons drifts sure course may thirty. First, the scintillating world of interest rates, discussion, maybe the green knight, earlene josh, unchecked, agreeing that a twenty four as a flawless stricken movie releases

rock and we're gonna go see the whale in the theater soon, and I don't want to know anything about it other than a twenty four hour released. It I talked to me after you sip the june seventh freedom of the press, very intricate, descriptive three minute discussion of how Josh and chuck would ride a horse over a cliff armor wearing a individual parachutes I remember when we landed safely, if I remember correctly, did like that when that bug some people them let me see July fifth: ultra processed foods josh eating hot wings while wearing you're a condoms, and the director chuck worked for. He would ici does wearing surgical. Gloves is a bit that was Tom. Schiller super no bay July night teeth, discussion, of which brit pop bans are cool and which ones weren't planet. Sterilizing events should be our bread pot. Album name is what I said. You said zombie stars the name of our bread pop band. Those two still work really well. I agree silly string,

We Josh brings up a video of a dog. They got into a gorilla enclosure at the zoo. Heavy a poor dog. I remember that side note one Russia's looser episodes very amusing. What was it again silly drink? I can't believe I didn't take silly string. Theory short stuff. The brenner street hopes trucks, daughters, the sounds girls, this one I have on her brief. Only girls want to have fun and boys do not still ongoing. By the way is there really yeah september six about mallory and mount everest, not attended. but chuck casually mention the rope trauma. Jollier Josh, breast bad plush past it. Without asking what happened to checks. Dismay that point chuck refused chuck, he should say became a big baby and tell the story of what happened despite Josh. He repeatedly checks it'll, take it to a scrape the classic S. Voice came on

idolizes, voice, work, judge checks, encourage incredulity, sorry, the Josh did know it. Sarah about sense here, yeah, he should say chuck- was a big jerk about the fact that Josh didn't know that that was the one he apologized about later. I did. I felt bad about that, don't feel bad! No one ever wants to be told. Were you It's made me feel bad all over again, and then finally, from just recently november, thirtieth on goose bumps whether or just some of the members of the band Boston to school at mit, the rarer figure. They definitely did not, but I do get up by this new that oh well, that was very nice of you to the walk past it. Later on thanks in bowers. Once again, this is a lot of fun, will read them again next year. Very nice thanks in thank you for completing the very stressful assignment. We would love it if he did it again.

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