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welcome to stuff. You should know a production of Iheart Radio Pay and welcome new the Pakistan Josh Clark, there's the beautiful and illustrious Charles, the reach of bright right there. the equally awesome jerry, drone role in right here, my right by the child out on some stuff for what they were discussing her out before we regard. What are you talking about? An issue stuff you should know that's right about ordered edition It is a bit of a mess about Damascus, steel. Since my fate american gladiator thinking Socrates has great. Thank you. Thank you. Was it off the cuff? Ok, it's off the cuff him and I thought about five minutes before we came in here and scolded still counts, as good well, it wasn't. A real character exists now, but it sounds like a dog.

It's ok. I one measure on the same page. I also want to take a joke. bullshit into pieces, jerk a job. Thank you so we're talking today about the mass storage. I was perfectly aware of before this rag didn't know at all. By any stretch it would. It turns out that apparently, a lot of people who write about domestic still, don't know here is that their was a metal metallurgical mystery here that developed over time only solved in the nineties. then other evils. Yes, exactly! Thank you now. The other people have you know. Trying me somewhat contributor to now. Finally, thanks to the the efforts of these, a dollar just to really got involved in trying to figure this out there that energy has been solved, but it's possible Have they really not taken up this this gauntlet and try to figure out what was Damascus steel? We might never have known because

even, if you remind all the way back two thousand years ago in Damascus, steel was started in production. They had no idea of Damascus Theo was either now, kind of an accidental find new. If you look at Damascus Steel on a picture viewer on the internet, you will, probably say: oh, it's like those cool swords or knives or guns that have that. like wavy, watery etching on them like game thrones, even talks about Damascus, steel right and or if your immature designer you like I've, never seen a sword. Italy the mass of material that sometimes majorities for window treatments is the same Yad and that spell D, a s K. Yes, but it is based on the yes the object. Then it is gorgeous self like if you, you're, a nice collect your whatever, and you collect like a new knife that says Damascus, steel and gun. That has a cool pattern that

but we're gonna refer to, as quote unquote. Damascus steal it is not the originals that the Oji Damascus steal. It is something that both have learned to do these days to look like Damascus, steel and their itself. The technique they used from what I said I was actually based on a pretty ancient. Egg is well, but it's still in Damascus and the reason why anybody would care by domestic is still not just the way it looked right, which I think that, if mask is still didn't. Have that very characteristic watery look into them to the steel. I dont think people. Would it taken up that quest to recreate it I think that's really part of its allure. Yet I drew the Metallurgy Senate lease. Well yeah, it's him! I mean we should go and say the law is a few fold. It is loves about supercool. Looking ya can't deny it. I won't but if it's supercool, unlike your sword, breaks on some guys suit of armor, he's gonna, be like that

It goes right, your balcony, unless those qualities now you're dead meat, so it is super super strong and super cool. Looking right, and very flexible for a metal. It's got all these cool properties, kind of all up in the wine, and it's like this super duper steel, super steel that's exactly what it wasn't. It was produced in the ancient world we here in the modern world, don't like to think of people in the ancient world. Having better steel than we have well. The really I mean supposedly modern steel is better than even Oji. Damascus. Eddying supposedly, is the operative word now so, but there was a period in time from at least I think the first meant in the west, that we are aware of comes from like the third or fourth century Bc E, where the grass I think, Alexander. The great is basically like this stuff is awesome yeah and so is well known by that time. We know more than two thousand years ago for being dead.

Still, you wanted to use if you were creating a weapon here- and you know, let's go back in. I'm a bit if you're a sword maker couple a thousand years ago, you to work it out for you, because you know know what you're doing yet like you don't know what kind of of metal that you're getting right and if you get some iron irons, gonna have other properties in there, but you just gonna have which have and aren t process. If you imagine how long it takes to forge a sword, then he got there, swing it and breaks PAN Marine. Let me try again. that would enable let me try a different or a different type of iron, and where's your long in their thin and is just the very you're making a broad sort is really difficult to make it super strong. sharp and all the things in like not so happy that. You can't even carry it right. So

we're sort of. I mean they were brilliant. In one sense, it there were figuring the stuff out on the fly, but they are also distorted, victims of whatever materials they had available right. So that's what makes Damascus so interesting to me is that it was a fluke of nature right and it happened to be mind, as will see, was a fluke, I happen to be mine in this one area and South India, and it just so happens that this particular iron or that was being minded area made some of them. I steal the world's ever seen. Yes, they called it roots w easy steel, he said it was mine, near Hyderabad, India, into these two point three to two point: five kilogram cakes or It's about the size of a hockey puck yeah, they would ship these things out and they were mining and they didn't know like hey. We ve got this secret supermodel

That means no one is gonna believe what were sending them right. There is mining stuff, and they sent a lot of this to Damascus in Syria. And they made him into swords and most people. That's probably where the name comes from, even though some people do the route word. Damas and Arabic is water. Oh, I didn't know that it could have been like one of the things, but Money is on the fact that they send them to domestic and the sherry made it makes sense. If I may, I guess, and then how old the city of Damascus is, but I get the impression is pretty old. It's not young, but watery. Steel makes a lot of sense too, for that particular type of steel. Maybe it was both either way it very well, was well known outside of the Middle EAST and West Asia in India, as like, the go to steal by the time like you're saying they don't seem to have understood them down

what they had on their hands was just this incredibly high grade. Danfields is perfect steel for making weapons. I get the impression that the metal Smith's tended to take all the credit for it, where in wretched, backed you or I could have taken a lump of woot steel. This hammered it with her elbows anybody turn in illegal world class origin a year at least some. He could punched him by right, but the the the metal Smith's over the years kind circle the wagons and pretended like they had some great secret or technique and maybe even thought that they did, but really, as will see, the secret ingredients were all in the steel that was being mind from India yeah, but also in the techniques which will get to as well right but am, but I think that happenstance. More than bigger than understood, I think so. We know it they should have done to see where the goods that they should have the dead there pinky in it touched it there don't

where their guns and say no. Yet again, I says shoe. It's where, where we were in the Crusaders ride the Crusaders get ahead. These things are right right and they can. I did what they wanted to do. We should do in episode on the Crusades now the cap, a fair enough. I feel like we talked about this book data were so. This is the beginning of the eleventh century. They got these sorts of the battlefield, those there's a lot of lower that surrounds this Damascus, steel, like you, could cut a silk scarf that was falling through the air about feathered. You cut a feather Could that further I have brought about a hare Ediths, but that here right now, for a long ways. Other uses meant none taken blogs, bunny style, yeah, it's, but that here, ok but all this was lower. It was really good stuff, nonetheless, but there are a lot of like Nunez sort of ancient stories about the properties like the magical properties of this

right now. I saw one thing, though I dont think it has anything to do with magic, but I saw it from a metallurgy website. Somebody took a bunch of notes off. I guess lecture and are not entirely certain what the lecture was, but it was pretty intense, but they said that this would cost about the equivalent of a car. Today, one of these sorts of these weapons, they were highly prized. smile. So you can imagine the crusaders coming back to Europe and saying hey Smithy. Make me something like this right for money from what I understand what the Smiths came both because they were hamstrung by the iron that they they had to work with. Yet they came over the different technique for creating a type of Damascus steal that isn't true, Damascus, steel right. But

came so widespread and basically all Europe had to offer that it became woods known as a type of Damascus. Steel pattern welded Damascus to right- and that is you know it's still strong and has that nice lookin. You know watery etching or whatever right, but they kept them from getting their heads off. Probably is it was good enough, and here I would say, but it's off market Damascus steal the knights of the round table of Damascus, steal your enemy sure, because it wasn't that woot seek, you can have their roots They didn't know that at the time, so big they were able to form that watery pattern from taking two different kinds of deal. That's what pattern welded Damascus seals made from use at least two different kinds, apparently, ultimately, before the color contrast right, because It creates that watery pattern is the two kinds of steel

hammered into one another. That creates the pattern in in that type, which makes it now really true. Damascus, steel, if you have true Damascus, steal that pattern. goes all the way through that that Damascus, steel, blade You gonna, really you ass, you can wear it down and where it down until you met you, make it through the other side and that water patterns all the way through see. That is pretty cool like it's a part of the the or itself at that point, absolutely dad is what differentiates true Damascus YO from anything else. That's right and boy: I can't wait to talk about that stuff. At the end of the figure this out, I think we ve been paying the sound tantalisingly are well we'll. Take a break here and we'll talk about some of the efforts over the years to try and figure out what this, sir, what the steel was friend this

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difficult we might as well? There probably like? Why is wrong with the yeah we're gonna giggly in we're not drunk, but their freedom champagne. Today, the rare technical difficulties have caused us to have to redo some stuff windisch not used at all or not. Usually, everything runs like a swiss watch around here, Nigeria is landed. A swiss army knife with the court's grew outgoing right up that's an order like we gotta, say those managerial. Now we would never blamed Jerry for something like somebody. It's like that little pig somebody's been sleeping in our bed. You know that's what I play somebody Gunnar studio in touch some stuff. Yes, whether I am very surprised by the padlock that they encounter in exactly and you're like in there's only one key, I swore what they have to do with the swiss army. Corkscrew are so from the beginning. They started to train, recreate the stuff, and you know, like I said was during the eleventh century, and then it is sort of that it seems like it.

continued on throughout the ages of people trying to recreate this. Yes, but at the same time, They were still able to keep making Damascene aerial from India the Quota Unquote Damascus d up until depending on no no, the real stuff fellow yak, as it had the single yes up until Anna think India was still producing it up until riding on you ask either the eighteenth century or the nineteenth century right good point and then all of a sudden, Damascus, steel just stop jobs in all. You have as the pattern well that you cannot find true demand steal any more, and it was some quite perplexing to allow two p It was and they were making their making guns gun barrels with us yeah we're along it continued yet and that I think that, supposedly what supplanted Damascus steel in a lot of people's my because some people said

They didn't even realise that there is a mystery to Damascus. Silly just started been supplanted by advance. Re steelmaking here see didn't need Damascus ceiling. I work in another explanation I saw was at Damascus: Yos actually terrible, rifling in the gun barrel, because that watery pair would actually hold on the powder residue enabling the your gun would be likely to backfire. would it was actually very useful in that you could make it unbearably barrel, which is long in narrow right from this Damascus. Steel, because this this special kind of steel, that these wrongs, or even when you're along gating it ray I mean, let's be honest, the people wielding those guns were like this is pretty boss. It is I also thank you know if I'm on the battlefield, I want the guy who's, just whose only cares about the functional God, not the guy you're admiring white. His gun looks like it. I mean like when you're walking through the old gun market. You want the guy that site

she's only by T shoot straight answer. Yes, are you a guy from jars that current yeah So one guy, those a russian meddler just named P s off and He thought that he had it all figured out. They called it. He called a bullet and he even said. No. Certain terms, our warriors will soon be armed with a bullet blades our agri, cultural laborers will till the soil with Boola Plough shares Buddha. will supersede all steel and he didn't they didn't work. He did, he know, may flourish no in he actually was part of this initial wave of scientists. I think, as metallurgy was really developing, because we said before the Ancients head, it was all intuition and technique and they knew what you know that

we're doing, but they also couldn't be like. Oh it's because of this that's happening on a microscopic level. Right, of course, didn't have microscopes enough now street, you can think anthem, then leave and hook for that. That's right, but the metallurgy, sorry develop as science itself. Sir develop is a field that was a sub discipline that really kind of came around, and one of the things they tried to figure out was what was the deal with? Domestic still is one of the first They really applied their mind too, and dumb Michael Faraday. Actually, who is the Guy crosses over from this episode to the other one. Today he was the son of a blacksmith, very famous scientists, the father of electricity. He tried, his hand, it figuring out what Damascus Steel was and what everybody kind of had a suspicion was that they still have. carbon in the year average steel, but there had to be some secret ingredient in what kind of became trendy in the first half of the nineteenth century

among meddler Jason to scientists and general figure out what that secret third ingredient. Yeah, and there were a lot of attempts at thinking that I think fair, I thought it might have been set. An aluminum or aluminium to him. Oh yeah in the eighteen twenties Robert Brent at the Paris meant did a six week studying the trial, anything he did a by three hundred experiments. He was trying to reproduce this woods right, unsuccessfully. I think he tried platinum, gold, silver, copper, ten, zinc, led bismuth manganese he was close, their uranium, arsenic and boron then that Russian even tried diamond. Yes like. Let me, though, some diamond in their see what that lie. Not at this point, I think somebody melted down a kitchen sink.

And the whole time they were like still hearing about this law I think by this point they didn't you know they knew if it came up like these stories. It came out of the middle ages. Certainly were not true, but there were stories about cooling. It, and dragons blood. Oh yeah. I love these about quenching it and dragons blood logging, when you call it down or red medicine or green medicine, is what they called it. There is also I saw where your specific question in the urine of a go that's been fed. Nothing but ferns for three days is that retailers Jezreel, I mean I m not obviously, but never tell if you'd make it and have no. No. I wish I were that clever. That's pretty good, descended like a! U joke thinks a? U joke! Now! Look here right, let me see that you had to have been heated until it glowed like the rising sun in the desert and then cool to royal purple

and plunge into the body of a muscular slave right to transfer the strength of that person into the sword so obviously in the eighteen hundreds they know. All of this is hogwash. Right, but over the thousands of years the Damascus field been produce like, rather than the lower, that Canada developed around IRAN, Yemen and they were they wanted to keep the stuff a secret. That's one of the reasons, aside from running out of that original routes, Another factor was the fact that they didn't, you know, spread this. You wanted it if you, if you knew something like this, you wanted to keep it and in the family. I think. Well, that's what a lot of people thought so so you have a whole like the whole world is confused about mascot steel imports and will be in was until this episode comes out war. We finally explain the deal, but there were different. I'm running around, like we said some people were aware that Damascus, this wasn't around anymore and that something had happened. Other people just thought it was supplanted,

by increasingly better technology right. Who was so what other people thought most in Sing idea to me was that the Smiths who created these incredible blades, like you said did in the family and then just some generation failed to tell the next generation the secret was lost forever right, and that is really like up. The demand. steel alley that is shrouded in mystery in secrecy in magic and dragons blood and furniture. go step? Peal of? The play right now and it's that search interesting, but no one knew exactly was going on. They just knew that nobody was making true cast domestics Damascus, steel anymore. That tried to take another break. This third act. That security is knock your socks off.

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alright very ones trying to make the stuff everyone's trying to recreate the answer is it's kind of right under their nose, but it's not because it's not under their knows, because the stuff had been gone for a long time. A dried up that woods, dried, the w up and was lacking, was gone. And then I think it was with this in the nineteen sixty. Is there a guy named CS smell and he was a metal, urges the Chief Metallurgy Manhattan project. He wrote a paper bout, Damascus, steel,

and again, this is a nineteen sixteenth. An end said the stuff was lost to history and a bunch of- we'll, try it over the years to recreate it. He kind of like laid down. The gauntlet like this is it. This is a metallurgical mystery guy Etienne. It seem like it's sort of kicked off a renewed interest here amid twentieth century. It definitely dead. Yet it because, kind of like the USA Holy GRAIL, because it's just so cliche, but is pretty accurate among metal, urges to figure out the mask steel, Aigner, recreated till, I think it's fair so there was there were many attempts like we said that there had been previously many attempts back in the nineteenth century, but I think in the seventies a pair of firm Stanford researchers really thought they had crack this in in, as I was saying at the outset of this episode, they weren't in time, really wrong. They just right complete the thought they thought they had, but

They didn't. They figured out one very important part in did it by accident. They were look up ways to make metal. That is much more shape able, but still equally strong, because you had said these early Smith Were you know they knew some metals were strong, so metals were hard. Some metals would break ease. But you could fall them into shapes or whatever they. These guys we're looking for a kind of metal that you there was extremely strong also shape a ball and they came up with this. Super plastic meddle in somebody said. I think this is kind of similar to Damascus steel year. Their names were Doktor, Jeffrey Wadsworth, Inductor, o leg, shabby visage herbs, kid movie name doctor leg. Surely so there yet in trying to find the Super classic metal, they found something that I think someone at one of their presentations. Swordsman stood

in the movie version from the craft and said hey this is this: is there like Damascus, steel which, as you know, is very rich in carbon and they went what carbon or did they already knows carbon? Surely this was- reveal right. They knew that this high carbon content was making their steel super plan and I think the swordsmen Zorro will call a sure said sure. I think that Damascus still also was high carbon, and I think maybe this super plastic thing is what you guys. If stumbled on here, Ray the secret to Damascus, steel yeah go right of paper based on this random strangers, thoughts, yeah, and when what does it mean? His name is Zorro. He carved in a z in my chest, we say a lot of carbon between One into about one point: five percent, which

sound like much Butner. Regular steel has a fraction of one percent of carbon yeah. So it's a lot for a sword I think anything over point. Seventeen point, no point. Seven. Eight per cent rounded point: eight percent is considered ultra high carbon Stoka. So really not much like you said, but but, as you add this carbon, it does start to give the metal different properties it and, in particular, with with Damascus steal. It turns out that routes that with the wounds, alloy was a hyper you'd tech, toyed Pharaoh carbon alloy do, which means that I saw that word. It had so much carbon. In that there is it changes? The? U tactic, point! The detective point is the temperature, where all this all the time

materials that make up the alloy to separate thirty different materials, their melted apart there no longer together. This has so much carbon in it that the melting point is actually after the tactic. Points of the stuff can kind of follow part, either after the melting point or before the melting I can't remember, but it has to do with their right in and we'll get to the other secret but there was also technique involved in it, which create this Damascus steel down to forge a sword, compared to other oars you're. You were hammering ETA relatively lower temperature. Yeah would normally? That was the thing that the Serbs and Wadsworth were saying was it has to do with this, but item again, a microscopic metallurgical level would they came upon? Was we think that the true secret but his they get a shot him out. Serbs,

we'll know I'm still on their work and so on so Serbs and was worse. If we think that there's it has to do with these carbide that are formed right right and so carbines are a it's like iron and carbon, mixed together in particular, where this forms is called cement tight in these cement heights are forming as fears and as you hammer in heat roots, these I incurring iron carbine, fears align themselves? Yes, so with this shards of iron to create this really strong, but also really resilient type of steel, yet This is something that you're looking at under a microscope right, and that is one of the problems and one of the reasons that it was so hard to figure this out over the years is that, in order to do that, you have to take one, blades and cut it into sections and put it under a microscope.

And these were like rare collectible, so yeah people and come and offer them they're. Not much. I mean there are a few museums donated some pieces, and then there was the sky on Re Moser, who was a collector, I think he had two thousand damask blades and he donated to Agora, enforced swords in the nineteen twenty. That was nice of you to a guy named Z, s c, Ok, ease and say shook, ok or Shaka into that that helped. Obviously but even more to get a hold of this stuff tube to cut it up and put under a microscope and that's problem, one, but then even you put it under a microscope here, like what ok. What am I looking understand? What I'm seeing then? How? How do I recreate the exact and even more to the point? How did these ancient Smith's too some years ago, create the luck. So they figured out yes, so they figured out The iron carbines are definitely a big part of it and Wadsworth. and the Serbs took a victory lap. But then

then he ninety barely one is right. Yes, on my back within see a Smith, the metallurgy from the Manhattan project, I get the impression is kind of like this metallurgy- God he's like. I don't think, that's it everybody. I don't think this is the true export. asian, and so it remained and awning answered for another decade or so right, and he and with the other metallurgy God on his right. Mister Bruce Dickinson and he said make it. So that's it. and in these other dude came along. I'm John Dene, their homeland in Receive Iowa and then a smithy from Florida name pinned Ray and they spent. I think, like for five years ago, like running all these trials time, trying to figure out what this less little secret sauce was yet so this is way he is up against, suffices, may and real quick. He was saying: was it one of the components making up? The slag was something big extracted from the crucial

walls? The little part you melted in was it the type of iron use make it was at the time or temperature used. The mole metal was it the cooling rate. He had all these questions did not know what it was. He just knew there was and down. The Serbs had not answered at yeah right every time you say Wadsworth and I want to think of them. The muppet show guys the third no Wadsworth, but it was something like that. I mean it was burnt, Bergdorf, Bergdorf and good, it was the lazy think we'll figure it out. Oh goodness, somebody screaming at their. I now you're, but I think it was Walmart Nuovo or sets it. That was them will that we don't looks up on the ship, the longstanding rotten generally right. Yes, because this route directly sitting in front of each other only talking wherever commercing sake,

I mean I feel like you should announce it since you're, the one who can have. No, really you got that I just want to reject that one thing about all the confounding factors that it could possibly been in that this guy's applying science is staring. So what they found out was what happens on that level was something is called a micro segregation which is a killer, separation of alloy elements in very small scales low levels of carbon, forming elements, and they had a list of five things. vanadium are new, a specimen and Molly, be here until last year. So funny him like this, come about four times. I never even knew it existed until a month ago, chromium manganese in the opium and what found out was the winner overall, ladies and gentlemen, was vanadium yes,

the Chemical OEM Inv with a little bit of manganese. They said that has something to do with it, but mainly vanadium, I think as low as forty parts per million is actually effective and not that was so close to them brainy amount was really excited like a man. Is it by brainier course it's not real. Well from. really you not into the marvel at the empty. You are you ok, What's a firm by brainy M is the fictional alloy in what kinda for where they may your weapons out of their yeah. That's what I'm cat per Captain America Shield is made from the brain it. Ok, it's a tough cancer. Did he get that from will conduct? He got the vibration from a kind of its name.

They share, I like it. You know I've noticed here there in the marble universe. Sometimes it almost seems like there's a cross over character, its weak, that's a great example: it's almost like they had it all blotted out. I think it's funny. Another marvel shout that there's a company in Sweden making this new Damascus Steel and they give it all these. Like you know, sort of Viking names, one is called for. One is called Loki as called for in eating, go p weather see another trying to increase sales by, namely that somethin supercool yeah they make fake Damascus steel, it's like stainless steel with the pattern blown onto it, yeah, basically using powder. This is this: is they figured out? Finally, true, Damascus, steel, which is just

suddenly wonderful and AIDS. Vibrating is that little bit of now, I can remember it's vanadium right ebony. Those are carbide forming elements right. So It is the carbines you do have to start off with ultra high carbon steel, and apparently the ancient Indian Smith's created their alloy by putting a little bit our call in there may be a little bit. Would it had iron sobered absorb a lotta carbon from it? It just so happens, the iron, or that they were starting off with heads vanadium in it, and that is ultimately what create that amazing watermark pattern, but also gave it its strength and survive ability in battle and I'm hoping someone out. There makes Damascus steel daggers consensus. One I'll Ebony wanted Damascus,

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