Welcome to stop. You should now a production- and I heard radio a year hay and welcome too, with the dark, ass, hey, let's go, I'm Josh and there's shocking Jerry's here, and this is the part can tell what is that all about that was my impression of Broadway. I thought that was your understudy met, Frederick. I could see them for it, doing the same thing. I didn't know you, my understanding is that right? Is he my successor now, of course, not there isn't a successor Bowling, was mine on April fool's day, yeah. That was a good one, but we know that wouldn't fly no he got away. Like then yeah, of course we don't want to put him in that situation. How interesting update I was just looking Josh the reason I thought to do

guess, I'm under studies, is twofold. I was in New York recently and I went to Broadway and saw Neil Simons Plaza Sweet with S. P and Matthew, Brunswick believe Rowena together there in that together, while for Sunday share the Broadway stage in a couple of decades and I think there firstly, performances opposite one. Another real life, husband and wife. There was great and we had a great time and two things happened on a trip. Wanna hung out with the Joey Sierra, our good friend. Yes, and Joey was talking about his friend, who is a under study. In Hamilton. I believe that in production, but maybe not who knew like six different parts that this gentleman kid sub in, for We talk a lot about that. Now, it's kind of blown away again We think it about under studies, but then, right after we left New York Matthew. Roderick got covered just a weaker

for two weeks into his run, because we saw the last preview and his under study took over in a play. That is almost just two for everyone to see this real life, husband and wife or ice age. So when the unsteady comes on. It's not great, but I was just looking this. I could find his name. as a like three days ago, as J P now has covered, so they have just cancelled through when their better, which is like another week or so gotcha, which has some you know that the show must go on. Is sort of line and Broadway, and that is the whole idea of the under study is that if someone is sick or stubs your toe or falls off the stage, there is some one else there. That knows the part, they can immediately step in and play this part. I ideally close to identically as

is the lead or even if it's not the lead, any any part. Yes, I put them under studies, are the insurance policies that make sure the show we'll go on right. After reading this in Libya, who did our son heroes of the court. She got another unsung heroes. A Broadway article here under study and stand buys, and swaying and we'll talk about what always terms mean they are early, he rose cause. It is astounding what their task to be able to do right like true, they don't save people's lives. Are they don't you There is a priority for anything like that, but they are there here in their own way. There certainly the hardest working people in show business. If you ask me yeah in the end, it will become clear why? Because you might think what you learn apart and someone goes down. He do that part

to your heads. It is much more than that. Yeah hang Andy, get not you're about to make a choice. So so we are talking. That is, most people check, think that we We talk about an under city, it is like you said, you'd just you know apart and if the, if some of the star goes down, you fill in and it's pretty thrilling idea like you know somebody getting their shouted a big break after sitting in the sidelines and it can be Can be very aptly compared to that backup. Court back who literally is sitting on the sidelines and they get their chance and they show like what a great job doing I'll be. There is the same thing, and that is the understanding, but there's a bunch of different kinds of under studies. And the one that most people think of his actually call the stand by, which is where you are. The poorest Who knows every single word: movement, dialogue, song blocking key

that the lead of that play knows and so that that lead goes. down, then you stand in, but you can go potentially years. without ever getting that call like we're over the the run of a place a multi years when we will play you might be on stage a handful of times, because your that's your job. As that specific you, you've got one row and you're filling in. For one part, a only on the basis of some accident or unforeseeable circumstances happened to the lead. So you have to step in that's what most people think of as an understudy. But in reality that's actually that the job of the stand by right in the stand by you know if it's like in the case of Plaza, sweet where it is largely to people on stage at all times. you need another It's probably not going to be some unknown. That's gonna be the stand by for either s jp or envy and in this case

find his name names, Michael Mcgrath, unlike Mcgrath, is very he's. Gonna Tony award he's; a very sort of renowned old school. five or six years older than broader, given Broadway guy. So it in a situation like As you have a heavy hitter on stand by, that is just hoping that Matthew Project KIDS food poisoning recovered right, so he can step in there and I looked up. Your desk Parker has an under study to and it's kind of a shame that they cancel, but in the case of that You have to make a call as production and when it's your to lead stars and again, I lay of two Probably the right called it. The go ahead. Cancel that because it would, you do want to do there's a lot of as you'll see unhappy ticket buyers which happens exactly so as to stand by right and that their what the New York Times,

of the most elite type of understanding. Again, it's. What I always thought was an understanding right, but in under study it turns out is somebody who is part of the cast goes I'm usually night after night, well candy, but not always ok, but they are also ready to fill into one or more roles, usually a principal role. That's the understood whereas stand by his like you might you can be in the theater but you're on call every time that show is on and you are expected to be within five when it run or drive to the theatre. So you can get there because something he's gone horribly wrong in under study is somebody that that has a much more frequently attached. position at the theater and usually it's a role. In the ensemble cast yeah. I think usually in the castle. Dont think it has to be. A lot of this is determined, as will see by the

actors, union for Broadway tickets at actors', equity and the deals they work out with producers. But before you get to those specifics, y'all save your swing, and this is what Joey is would be a swing, can cover a lot of different roles and a swing might be like a performer in the chorus but can join up there and play Hamilton or Jefferson more Bur at any, and this this dude could do that. It is one of the more impressive things to accomplish. I think, because you know all these parts, you know all the songs, like you said you know all the choreography and the blocking you ve gotta know as Libya points out some you don't think about which is between between sets. I have to go back and I gotta know what costume and was to be in and who to talk to. who has that costume? Like you, ve gotta, know every single part to be able to seamlessly transition, so that no one I mean they know

they announced like in the role of four Matthew broader tonight. The under study will performing grown, but it had that not be for that announcement in a regular under study role. You shouldn't be able to tell the difference now, because it's not it's, not the stars. bleed necessarily right just yet you you would never know, but that is something with the swing so like They might know anywhere between five to a dozen of those roles and like you're, saying believe each of those roles has different costume changes, different choreography, different, dumb different words, tis to say or sing. like, and they know all of those inside and out in when you start to understand what a swing does. Then you start to get what I saying earlier that they are probably the hardest working people in show business, because,

and in a given night there ready to go at a moment's notice to to do those rules at the drop of a hat and in its because they ve worked so hard up to that point and keep working to it's not like there's a a time where you can stop and relax. As long as the show was running over the course of weeks months years. However, long a goes, you have to: u have to basically key you're engine revving radiated to put in the dock I'm all of a sudden and be allowed on the stage lay rubber from the wings. That's how they always put it in that's understudy standby. In the swings are also alternates in this is someone who is scheduled to take them they have one of the actors in that, maybe in Chicago for a three year run and you like, I don't do the matter is any more. We have an alternate that does my matinees. Everyone knows is going in it's not like a sickness or anything happen or an injury happened, tickets, half price.

So I mentioned that the actors equity, in the Broadway producers. They work through these contracts, just like they would with sag or the writer skilled with film and television, and it is Oh you know you don't have a choice on Broadway How many under studies and stand buys and swing? you hire it's all sort of contractual you The higher and under study forever. Single roll, except forbid players and and I'm case stars in the case of plus a suite. Of course they had under studies, but if it's a one person show you're, not gonna, throw thrown understudy up there, because it's it's really about that. One person's, like there may be some leeway their according to like the action in how they run it, but you're not required to under study the star they also probably well, they do

necessarily need to hire under studies. If it's a limb, they run show like for a few weeks or more any yarn that, though they probably will need to hire understudies right orchids off Broadway or in you know, a third area br a stage theater. It's all bets are off. He can do whatever you want, yeah you, smart or understudy so yeah. For sure one of the other things, too, is that you start to get into logistics, because, if you're working with under studies and I have a regular role in the ensemble the lead that the under study is working under falls, ill or sprains, their ankle or whatever happens in ITALY me. A lot of stuff happens on Broadway, Your study is no longer filling that role in the ensemble, which means now you gotta go to your swings in does that swing have anything else that they were doing that you need to bring another swing, and rightly like, like, like you, p this route in the middle of a blizzard

like my nightmare. Logistics is like I I, those are the true heroes to me. You say So it is a true yours, I think, load distinctions who deliver. Things are like rewrite planes. I think they're the two years, because I could not we went yeah and in the case of like a Hamilton or a bigger show, with a bunch of people that are singing and dancing. If you have a a flu that sweeps through you know the stark pre covered and we'll get to what Kobe did to Broadway, but you know a flu that sweeps through the cast and like three people: but down in a week it's a jenga game as a production because, like you, said you're pulling, people when one role to another, then he'll foods that who feels that role than who feels that and all of a sudden you're? Looking at this stage in your go, and can you dance her height

have you been denied any, would rip off for their norm core outfit and all of a sudden there wearing a tight, fitting tuxedo in soft shoes, underneath it so good what what a story! So, let's go back to talking about low distinctions. Ok, There's an equation chuck that these producers and the director and everybody, although I think probably up to the producers, are the king, when you start to go down the list in your moving everybody around eventually get to a point where the show or the cast doesn't really resemble the cask that the people coming to see the show or are coming to see here and after some point is probably like. the people are so many people are going to ask for a re, finder's fee, some partial refund, or something that you're better off this giving her by some time off. In this you know cancelling the show for a day or two you know those that I mean Lydia came up some great examples. Over the years of liquid, multiple people go to in twenty. Sixteen there

the cold on. The set of false echoes and the lead role. Stephanie J blocks, role of Trina went down understood went down, then there was a swing. Stephanie Umo, you M, o h, bring different roles headed The stage in the lead with a two and a half hour lead time. An apparent had they even use the script on stage but got a bunch of support. tears from the audience whither. You know like me, audiences can be unkind, but my experience a Broadway is that it or goers, are understand this stuff, and try to be supportive when something like happens, even though there vacations in their hopes, maybe a bit dashed like Libya talks about people booing and stuff, like that, I I would like to think that happened. I'm sure it has, but there are from Jersey, fridge. Internal baby

generally, I think, they're more stories of people trying to support the people on stage then go. Ah what is this I want my money back yeah like clapping for the person who s ease the script because they are so I'm. Paired. That's a very meta. Modernist respond. Yes, let's take a break them or combat. can talk about what kind of money these people make right after this

ok, we're back every body, and we are back to talk about more Somalians cash, clam lettuce, cabbage what else? What are the kids in these days? Bread, yeah, they're, bringing down early dough? I think it's still I remember money will say, cheese art if you are a understudy again with a with the unions. All of this stuff is is prescribed how much you're going to get paid. Even if you don't, The state does not like there's like well you're, the understanding you didn't ever make it to the main stage. So you get a pay cut that has not

you get a minimum as a Broadway performer of This is as of twenty eighteen maybe a little bit different now much if they renegotiated since then, but two thousand thirty four dollars a week on an actors equity contract on Broadway, yet and so some people who are in the CAS every night in the ensemble who have who go on said every night may actually make less than a swing who doesn't go on at all and if you stop and think about it, that actually makes a lot more sense, because that one person who's going on every, namely ensemble, knows what's going to happen at night. They get a chance to like, create their character and like rehearsing, understand it and, as will see like understudy swings, they don't get those kind of opportunities and yet there except these are not just one role but eight roles and be ready to go on. So it makes a lot more sense and, frankly, I think they deserve, even more money than they get because of the requirements of their job

But why would a swing make more? We didn't even say a because they have to understand and practice and rehearse for more parts. Well, they get paid more. We never even said that, swings, earn an additional pay bumps? Oh I'm sorry. I thought that I thought that we had kind of established there. some way shape or form. Now your minimum is two thousand thirty four dollars a week is in. If you are a swing or an under study. You make pay bombs on top of that right, sway get a hundred one dollars and seventy cents or fifteen dollars. If your partial swing and an under study of Winnsboro gets an additional fifty four dollars and fifty cents. or understanding ensemble, an extra fifteen dollars right then it could take take take what saying before and now move it to like right here, cause it'll, make more sense. Now that I said that, but you can understand, I I think that it's

I think you should get a bump for every rule that you have not just a bomb for having multiple rose. You know well, Deanna, be great like you're a swing for like six roles. you'd be a hundred bucks if you dont dopamine stage Gimme another roll. Instead, there, I'm sure we are Broadway understood, he's missing there. Their prey like it was congestion there from this Naxa union negotiation. His cigar and like a ill fitting vested in a row of my shirt sleeves and get down to business probably the only person that's ever asked for that. Right is like I'm a genius, just came just give a more money If you're preparing for this, I mean there depending on who you are as an actor, you can have different ways are preparing period. In Libya found some good examples of what some people have done. There acronym J Douglas and two thousand seven, a member of it Algae chaperone is one. That's a laugh out,

Broadway titles. Yes, it is. he covered two ensemble actors and stand by and stand by for four prince also that's a lot of work and Douglas, would sit in the audience at least you know initially and said there were the corporal weather but are in quietly record, although movements in and go home and transcribed this stuff and then just steady, steady study, basically yeah. That's one high stress job court. it's an auger for colliding with another high stress through the understudy or swing. You know good job, a good point, so Jay Douglas, would would take all those notes and and create basically like a dossier on each of the characters he was expected to fill in for, and so if he got enough notice, he could like consult the dossier. You know, refresh his memory of it like if you're an ensemble actor or even a lead, like you, probably have once

That's all you need this. This, like, like J Douglas others would have like multiple scripts and multiple like work. Ups are right, ups on their under different characters, that in and of itself differentiates them to understand- in degree totally, and then you know, besides just learning the stuff. All the things that we talked about sometimes is different actions. You know that you have to do and can bounced between. Yours have to be in an broadway shape, in Libya found the example of its either liquid early catch are now Pringle. Who was a swing on? Mrs doubt, fire who, aside from during all these parts. Over and over again in her mind was, like you know, doing p m. physical training and Voice work because you have to keep in physical shape and you have to keep your voice ready for that kind of stamina than it takes because you may or may not just be a single performance. You may steppin step in

for a week or more or you may eventually become that part yeah. That's the thing we'll talk about it. There is a possibility that you you could end up like permanently in that role, if, if things work out in your favor, you gotta have Europe, you two bucks ready right. You wanted the things I said I want to make. It seem like it's easy to be an ensemble member of a Broadway, show or son. It's that this is the point. It's really really hard straw, as for anxiety, inducing work to do that in its work, like it's definitely craft and the people who do this, love what they're doing, but is also like really hard work What I'm saying is that if you are an ensemble or a principle and you go out their every night, you have all sorts of benefits, of developing your character, just through sheer petition, overtime, learning, the learning everything. So it's it's like wrote the

who work is under studies and swings. They don't get that they very frequently we'll have not act, we done any sort of real rehearsal before they might be pushed out on stage and asked to go ahead and deliver performance as on caliber with whoever it is replacing, even though they never actually were that kind of thing yet I mean, if you are a principle, stand by them insofar as they call it a put an chances. Are you have rehearse with the main cast you ve gotten in that costume? you ve worked with the orchestra in the show lighting, because you know that's all that all counts like if you ve ever the stuff, if you'd just done under just the regular stay, Joyce being on in there, like the musicians. Aren't there like every thing changes when its go time in that curtain drops on the night and if you're It used to that it's a whole different situation. But if you are a principle you we don't put ends, and at least gotten a bit.

Maybe a rehearsal or two. I would like to thank in the case of something like Plaza, sweet that S J p. Did it for run through is with the Matthew, broader aches stand by, and vice versa, because it just such a high pressure situation with just the two arts yeah, but it didn't if you're in a big show there bulgarian tease that you're going have gone through the any rehearsal at all, necessarily or You are. It's cursing with other under but he's in swings, and maybe the innocent director with no music in the stage lighting and no costumes like on it like during They are on a week day, right and even during those rehearsals swings might have to when from multiple parts during the rehearsal right, so I mean just like,

just the whiting alone, you gotta know the lighting keys. You gotta know where to stand. If the light supposed to be on you, you want to step in just the right place, because that's where the lighting persons going to shine that, like, if you rehearseth with workplace as a huge disadvantage, if you ve never done like the lighting blocking and that's That'S- that's basically like part parcel with how, under studies in stand. Bison in swings are expected to work with a jerk genuine disadvantage, but there are expected to give. You know like on caliber perform it says with the people who have had all those advantages another, is my say. The hardest working people in show business and pick scenario one day by the way you might be able to hear hammering next orders construction store. I okay, I just wanted to let everyone own case you hear a hammer banging was bound to happen. Khazars construction extra but I'm picturing scenario when they were all out and he cork

if you mean Emily Rural having dinner with a big group of people in someone's, like oh, my friends, listen, Broadway, show or Alex It and Emily's was a theater girl, so she's musical theater, so she's like peppering them with questions and you go. He take like a sip on your martini and say so. parts did you play in the table, gets quiet and they're like oh just the one that was one of the main ensemble parts and you go. Oh just the one interesting man, he just nailed your impression of me that never ends. Everyone gets really quiet. We're like what's the deal with Josh cause they get up and go to the bathroom and I say he's all about the understudy and they go. And I'm in the bathroom going like what I see wrong. Why opens visit dinner to John so Chuck. Let's move on rehearsals, not good as far as the under studies go One of the other things I think we have dimension they you point

out earlier. Is that especially with principles and stars of the show the because those stand buys and under cities are expected to deliver exactly the same performance that the star does every night like you, ve they're, not I go in there and do it your way. Russia, kid there there I go in there and do it exactly the way this actual star? Does it kid, don't screw up and there's real reason behind that like it's not just like you know, you're being treated like cattle, it's and the star has done this in a certain way, so that other people come to expect this ad lib buying? There was an lived once with three: years ago and now is like a regular part of the the show. Even though is sought right. They expect you to say that same line You have to know that role that character so well that you know you know the character that the actual star has created from this.

Script. That's what they want you do, because if not somebody's line is you get thrown off and you can throw off the entire production like that. Yeah, like under study. Knows this, so it's not like their study, think so this is, can be much answer really show them. What I bring to the role and in their hopes, get dashed I'm sure you're not Knesset they doing at him and impersonation of Matthew. Broad Rick is Yonder study. So, like things like intonation, you might be able to change it up a little bit but general. did they want you to do what he does and we'll talk a little more about what covert has done, but one apparent thing that covered his done. is given a little more appreciation to the under study and a little more other well, hey answer situations. Maybe it's a k, for you to bring something else to the role. If we talk about it beforehand and stuff like that, like don't surprise everybody

I mean if you literally have to go on stage like if someone someone falls over. Then appendicitis, like ten minutes before curtain, that, doesn't happen a lot usually there's a little bit a lead time, but right in a server Bolivia found this great article, four middle class with a bunch go examples are those matinee of wicked in mid way through the show Adele Disease, a sorry, the demons. L yet their reference is that Adele's last name that was during the awards, John Travolta, he famously introduced a dinner Enzo as Adele Disease. I knew that he'd screwed it up, I didn't realize, is created a tap air, yet he completely made up a first name in a certain he's, a wise named. So we its it's one of the autumn blunders

but a demons l fell MID, show in fractured a rib, in a bean had to go on through the show- and so there's all this like Kay. going on to try and get her in there in dress, so the as MRS beat and then portion on a bean is also in the back remain like wasn, They told what was going on and just The elysium has gone to the hospital, and so this is also in the back of the mind as of like, oh, my goodness, what's happened to despair, Then there have been under studying probably have a lot of respect for maybe have grown close to, but also How heard issue, and as is gonna, is this my big break? all the emotion that comes to something like. That is something that you have to just be able to check when you tread those boards right. I want a very I for myself and I think every listener who caught it. You said Adele design the second time as it's not okay, it was okay,

just wanted to make sure cause you slid in there so well, I thought you'd pull the Josh and his completely flubbed it. While I was going to just leave it in there as a hidden joke to begin with, while all edit this, when I could tell that you didn't get it the first time I had to explain so I'm Karen Quackenbush and as another example of that I read about in the New York Times article four, my thing like two thousand one: she was a stand by for Bernadette Peters, any get your gun and the same thing happened like Bernadette Peters, got really ill with the stomach virus and apparently was able They keep it together, long enough to make it to intermission and they called Karen Quacking, but she was having, I guess, a birthday dinner with her husband down the street. ran gander cabin got to the to the show, just in time Everybody booing her when they were an ounce may announced that she would be taking over four four Bernadette Peters, but that is

extremely rare, but it's gotta be so dramatic and stressful that those stories earlier eternally delightful? I could just listen to him all day. Well, I mean even though its basically the same story every time yeah, how many situations are there where you're performer, who gets there big break in, walking into it, knowing every he's gonna, be disappointed when they see me walk out their right, and I have to do with of all of my areas in mimic the star just exactly as I can and on that note trick, you want to take a break a little quick deals. Do it? Ok, we'll be right like everybody else. Are you in excruciating pain, brought on by your son, daughter or spouse suffering from addiction, the sleepless nights, the constant worry and the feeling

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Ok, we're back in I was saying those are those stories where you know somebody gets their big break and because the the star you know, got sick or whatever are few and far between and but for the most part, all the stuff we talked about were, like the stress of having to you, know, keep your creativity personal creativity in check and in due mimicry like being on call in never having any idea when you're gonna go on for some people. You, like I I would never want to do that. It sounds awful, but there are people who like make careers out of this, this type of of acting and and it's one of those things where, once you prove yourself once twice a couple of,

I you can they. They will call you anytime, you want them, you can be an under study? You can be a standby by you can mean alternate for the rest of your life because it so difficult to do that. If you prove yourself, Buren yeah, I think there's a lot of jobs in the world that some people view is stepping under transient jobs that other people are quite happy to. their whole life I remember when I first went to away and when I was eight My brother worked on Dear John, and I was an ex. He got me up as an extra. I love that show it was so good and I was in it what wouldn't which episode remember. Kirk goes John exactly what happened. I could probably dig it up, but I play a busboy in a scene. and the eighteen year old me I looked like I was twelve, but I was up there with the extras in between, and this is my first experience with any of this stuff

and I remember these extra seem so the to me they were probably in their thirties. Now that I looked back so all, but they were kind of career extra is it I remember talking about that, and they were like. You know, shit. I still audition, but I like the reality, has hit me that I'll probably we'll make it but I'm in the union of got great health care. I constantly work as a stand in or area the extra or a featured extra and make good money- and I know my schedule and like I'd rather do this, then wait tables or somethin wear it. waiting tables that can be a permanent job. I worked with career waiters as well, but understudies. It's like I said it's not always just a transient. You, gotta have just because you're good on stage and you can sing and dance doesn't mean you can handle the kind of pressures additional pressures that come with this, it takes a special kind of performer and some people are good at it.

And they know it and they stick to it, always would want that lead part, but it's not like there like Just get out of this under study thing all the time now, some people really get off on the additional pressure of not knowing in knowing like you could be called it any second, some people I really like that and then the additional work of, having to understand- and in no all these different parts, like some people really like Like you, said a lot of people viewed as a stepping stone in astonishingly actually has been a stepping stone like some time the stars, have aligned for people whose names we know today be, as they started out as a under study or stand by and burn it Peters who mentioned she. she went down during one performance. She actually started out as an under study. I think all the way back in age. Thirteen, Later on, on Broadway with her first real Broadway job, she was a stand by

so she started out. I don't know that she had any like gum like moment where you know she. She hid it big. I think she just was one of those. You know workhorses, whose light gray, whatever job you can and then just kept going from there and became stars or result here like as a story goes she under studied in performed the lead, hard or another, but the least because I don't know, I think the child lead and are no gypsy as well, but played dainty June Phil then, and did this and apparently this historic goes over at Peters MA? put that on the resume that, like she, she a dainty June. I'm curious you know in the night early nineteenth sixties, about this sort of ethics. Of doing that, now of your resolution, I give you put, you know, played absence here, Jessica, Barker, blood between they're, like all you did that for three days I got enough if you allow Put that on your resume, fright

me, or you could pointed out, like under study and then, for so many days, but from the impression I Burnett Peters mom can I said, like sheep this on Broadway right, but at least Bernadette Peters had didn't deplore both deniability, where she like, I that I didn't know but Anthony Hopkins apparently got a huge break because he was an unjust, but it is Sir Lawrence, Olivier less the West end yeah it there is a place called the dance of death which sounds like a really odd unnerving play. It said in like a remote swedish island. I think of the nineteenth century. Is this weird, but in nineteen sixty seven I came down with appendicitis and Anthony and Anthony Hopkins filled, informed in Olivier basically said he crowned him as like his

Sesar by writing about what a good job he said. He walked away with the part of anger that was Olivier rule like a cat with a mouse between its. So I thought was a huge break for Anthony Hopkins to sort out within a long story. Short Hannibal, Lecter, t digs famously was in rent in everything tv in films he was under study, in nineteen it, the nineteen eighty four revival carousel and then surely Maclean Film Legend, Maclean was an under study. on Broadway nineteen fifties is a teenager. The ten days into the main performance, I believe it was Carol, Haney fell, ill or just fell. Yeah I think fell, was an injured. in this case finish the show, but surely Maclean had to fill in

but a half hours notice, screwed up a little bit cursed, audibly onstage, because she goofed up am: I dropped her hat and one c but everyone was impressed. An outward Hitchcock came to see that play a few months later and cast her in the trouble with Harry and she went on to great great rain yeah and she became whose Mamma she, whose mom whose, whose whose kids I dunno I don't either. I always want to say Carrie Fisher, Willis, Debbie, Reynolds Kid right, yeah. Is that what you're thinking? Maybe maybe, who knows there, is another one to chuck that's worth mentioning, because she kind of is this into the Broadway in the covert age, her name is Sutton Foster He was an under study. She tried out for the lead and thoroughly modern Milly and she didn't get it. Is it ok. What will you make me the under study to that role and eternal

the actor who had that role left, and so they turn to some. Fostering said hey you wanna, you wanna star in, he turned it into a. I think a tony word two thousand too well fast forward two December of twenty twenty one and she's working. As these the lead in the music I believe, and she catches covered and her under study takes over for her Cathy Voice to co, void, CO, yeah Veal, Whitey Kayo she took over for as she did such a great job that one of the greatest people on the planet from what I can tell you Jackman, gave of now famous speech singing the praises of under studies in Cathy Void. Didn't really singular our mouths. Almost he had to stop himself you could tell, but he is talking

He said something like wind. When she arrived for work today, she could have played any of eight different roles and then went on to basically Tutao under studies are like the that's the thing that key Broadway going to us, and it was because certain foster came down with covered that the Cathy Void CO guy to kind of stepping that spotlight courtesy a few Jackman and one of the reasons it became. Such big news is not just because huge Jackman gave a speech, although in large part it was, but also because covered was just decimating Broadway at the time and they wish who's there were, like you know, having to cancel performances. There were also under studies and stand by an altar. It's being thrown every which way- and it was a really hard time- and I think, still in some ways is a hard time for Broadway. Right now, like you said and Plaza, suite, is now, is currently darker old yeah Because a covert yeah I mean, I think, what it did was it really highlighted the necessity

Did he and the value of swing and under studies and stand buys? I think they were probably at least it seems just from reading up on it for many years, a little taken for granted. Course that they would always be there may be under hired because broad like a lot in the film and television industry. You are expected to perform sick or injured. Unless you absolutely cannot, It's not like regular jobs, you're gonna feel too Gerda can't go ends like you go in any way, it was a the president of actors, equity cage Kindle tweeted out and- and this was about you know of its urge in the slide on under studies. I tweeted this. my educated guess, is that when employers consistently rejected, first to negotiate for more swings under studies and sub stage managers. We having talked about that like if you're on the crew and you get six one as the film because the industry model has grown dependent on people working sicker, injured.

It short sighted and unsafe, and this in a kind of force What Saint Martin, who is, president of the Trade Association, of the Broadway League to sort of apologise, not sort of like I apologise again in can call for producer, to cover their shows adequately and it like- I said before it led to more things. Like hey. Maybe an under study can actually bring a little something to the role that we shouldn't take such take them for granted as much yeah, Charlotte St Martin, had apparently thrown some shade on the understudies and got called out by Kate Shindle. So I guess from from But the New York Times are saying they are able to Are there using this too, to try to make it easier on under studies and buys the to give them like full rehearsals and

so we have the lighting people there during it and like like make it so that it it's just a slightly less stressful job and that there's more of them working which, as yet, it is good that that's an improvement is the same thing like you're saying with the film industry when the trains in its going through now, where it's like. No, you really shouldn't work at twenty eight hour day every day and just be expected to whenever the director producer want. You to be there. You know it's yeah, any anytime. an improvement like that. It's an improvement for all him into that. I don't think we mentioned that I think is important. Is that Sometimes you may audition, as the under study and son as you may audition for the lead role, if it's not like already set in stone like Matthew, brought into play this role, that's why we're doing it? just open auditions for the lead role, they might say, play you're really good and I'm not gonna catch you but I'd love to he was he understood he sometimes because that way,

so like. If you want to be on stage, you have to basically be like I'm, not I'm not doing this any more. Like I'm not taking under study parts Kazoo king type cast into because it's hard to do and not everybody to do or you roll the dice that you know things happen, the thoroughly modern, lilies, gonna cracker ankle here, those that of other funny story with kind of get to about someone wrote in it feels like anonymously to play build. It was an under study. They said you know, I secretly wanted to poison the lead actor like you, don't think about like, besides all the work that goes into it, they like we can never make from. Plans with anybody. We can thereby schedule anything hazard. You know you're dead on call that on call life of stuff, whether you're, a genius, pediatrician or a or an understudy or a logistician, are very nice, bring it all back around again there s nothing out, Sir,

Everybody I say: go out and hugging under study the stand by the swing or an alternate to day. You ask First, yes, they may not want to be hugged, especially if they're not wearing a name tag with the hug dot system on the train. Well, since shook so that's right, of course, everybody. That means it's time for a listener mail. I'm gonna call this. Fighting Canada as always guys led. The show promised keep. It short, just listen to the pubs episode, which we heard a lot. People really like that upset by the way which brought back tons of good memories. Of two summers I spent take. canadian undergrad to Wales? There were many pubs, but I can't not note that Gosh, said: George Washington took his troops to a pub to quote toast the british legally, none of North America include knock knock. Canada called

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