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really coming together? Well, it's us through and through and you can go check out some excerpts at stuff. You should read books com welcomed, establishing now production of high hat radios house enough work very welcome to the bar, gets them Josh Clerk and there's Charles the View Chop Bryant, we're comrades in arms. Here it s why, as K step, we should not. Let me ask you something: when you are researching this in thinking in your brain, about talking about it. Did you get nervous? No, I guess you did a bit. What are you nervous about talking about? Friggin KGB, yeah, oh hell, and how they just kill anyone that data like ok. Now you know I got the most nervous ever when we were recorded. I wrote on and we recorded on Delta force. Really

I was really nervous. Bethink there you can kill you I don't know I mean they're supposedly they're not supposed to exist and we were talking about how they do exist. So like surely not, but now I know you're talking about it- didn't happen in this one, so maybe this is the one that will get me his KGB know. Those are the and even says in this article like when you about the knock on your door in the middle than I come with us. That's KGB, ops right there right. But that was if you were a Russian, a soviet citizen which is true something it's weird. Like you, you know all about the KGB. Just having a raises a cold war, kid you know, but I never really put too who, together, that it was a really all encompassing secret police kind of thing They had going on because not only where they big on spying in giving their hands on advanced,

I've been technology and running this information campaigns around the world and trying to destabilize the United States. In its its reach, around the world. They also or really focused internal. In domestically as well, so that they were a secret police force that would come and get the centres and send them off to pay. Camps in the middle of the night. They they basically did it all in all of it was geared Chuck toward keeping the Soviet Communist Party in power, and they they were successful for several Gaze actually yeah and I mean from Red this research, it seems like I mean they do all the things, but there may in charge was squashing from within regimes like squishing, your head from within, so KGB stay,

for a train, read this lay it on me Russian committed that's easy. With a k goes through doors. Vein, I be so pass nasty. It sounds like you just raised, like aromatic Demon glad to were other soda This means in English Committee for State Security They were headquarters in say were alive because, technically the KGB itself is not around anymore. It's just been renamed, though so same stuff, same place. They were in art and are now headquarters under the efforts be at Lube young Square in Moscow, which is where the KGB was right. Yes, I'm saying that's where the headquarters was and still is right, and this is big business

full sort of intimidating building right there in the square and damning, that's just par for the course. The KGB is basically been this entity that changed names in official titles multiple times since the very beginning of the USSR, but it still the same thing in its there is actually really is. Directive two arm to study it, because it seems that they are still very much up to the exact same things that they have been doing for decades. Oh and everybody very famously, is well aware of. Gee are you, which is military intelligence, but it seems there the g are you there first be, and another group called the These are the foreign intelligence service or all basically like the KGB they're just its now been divided into separate entities but they're all working together, but after the tuna

sixteen election. Everybody got a pretty pretty obvious taste of what the KGB is long been to which is trying to to meddle in american politics and trying to so dear gourd among Americans than ourselves in it this is nothing new, apparently I ve been doing it since the outset, while actually after World war, to at least yeah I mean they ve been doing this. If you think about sewing discord, there was operation Pandora nineteen sixties, which was basically the soviets trying to start I swore within the U S got in. Trading groups like the clan, the jewish defence League and the african american militants pose. Is there making fake pamphlets from different organizations in an blast Those out to basically-

and start a race or it didn't work, but it did create discord. They ve also posed as people for antiphon black lives matter in there still doing same thing today, yeah except now, they're doing in this hyper accelerated manner because things can spread so much more quickly I'm on social media, and you can turn so many people's appeal. And on social media, so much more quickly as well. So it doesn't seem to be officially any any disagreement that the that the Russians metal in american fares and of I have long been like. Well, you know that that it doesn't excuse it, but you know we can ignore the fact that America metals and other countries affairs two and has for a long time too, and that is definitely instructive, also in something to pay attention to, but first of all to what about isn't, but, secondly,

from what I read. There's some scholar who wrote this really the interesting article in the Brown Journal of Public affairs, I believe, is what it was called yet brown, of world affairs gunning, Calder Walton wrote this sum this this article on the KGB and it's this information camp. Super readable, really exciting kind it. But he basically says yes, America's dense and very very shady stuff in the affairs of other countries and in its own affairs- to like you know the CIA Dosing Americans with LSD see what happens kind of thing, but the Americans in the Brits operations just pale in scope amber. Compared to what the KGB has done? What it seems like the efforts be, is now still doing right now you might not nice guys so I just want to shut out there dumb that that articles called spy.

Election meddling and disinformation past and present check it out. Yet me- and if you want to look into the KGB and spying and espionage there are so many great articles and documentaries on Youtube that you can watch some more fun than other some very dry, the BBC as to partner on the KGB. That's very dry but very instructive, so the Gb. If you wanna talk about that innovation. You gotta go back to Pre KGB in December nineteen, seventeen. When linen, created secret police agency called the Cieca c h e k a they were the pot. King sordid the revolution There are known as- and this was this is basically the bit, but like you said, it's gone under many names. It was the cage before it was called. The KGB was there to keep me ship in power imprisoning killing opponents both abroad and within the country, keeping people in surveillance

during news. And basically starting the S, large programme on foreign soils. Yet check. It was followed by the odp you than the KGB than efforts be slash as fear, but From that moment, the cieca was foreign till today there has been a daddy, continuous, basically unbroken security apparatus that has been charged with domestic and external spying surveillance, esben I urge all that to him Tom Year from IRAN from the gecko, the today they might still call themselves checklists within the organisation. It's it's a name. The check that that original name is kind of stuck around. If you're sort of on the inside You know there are many ways that they can get what they want. This one was a pretty interesting example. Here

at one point there was a group early on in the Soviet Union's existence where they had some socialist, some anticommunist that basically got together They said where an organization called Monarchist Union of Central Russia and What they did know is that the monarch, union essential. Russia was actually infiltrated I so many malls. It was a fake organization that real People joined their socialist and anti communism, but all a big set up to get them all in one place, basically, root out, who they were you gotta know your enemy know who your resistance is, and found they were heal them is that nuts man, like think about the effect that it has not just in in getting rid of your opposition by forming a group where they all show themselves but also

like that? Becomes legendary like that's. Why you're things that this this group, this security group did and like it basically sends a pretty clear message like don't you can even trust your own. The people? You think that that are your allies. You know right talk about sewing discord among you, no opposition, that's just like that was four years ago, and it still, though I can give you chills just to think about that Yemen. You start a group that you think who's gonna, be battling your oppressor and it turns out that group is so infiltrated it's not even a real group Y got the impression that it wasn't, even though they were infiltrated, but that the checks- or, I should say the odp- you actually started that group to direct people. You know I mean now: saying: they infiltrated that that circle yeah oh yeah this fake organization here, that's so nuts man, So one thing, though, a lot of people forget and our younger listeners might not real

Is there a beggar war to the EU, in the USSR allies. We weren't like beer facts or anything like that, but we were we had a common enemy in the Nazis. Asked the UK the? U S in this visits and dumb. I read that from this time of basically working with the: U S in the UK, the USSR saw how good we were at disinformation campaigns and it had to effects it taught soviets how to do these things. Basically said hey. This is a really good way to so discord and to get him from it. Fake information out like with your enemy, so it taught the soviets how to do that, but it also made this we think that they just presume that the? U S and the UK word were creating this operations in the USSR too, so a really kind of hardened the Soviets enemy she

of America, like it really kind of predisposed the USSR to be enemies with the? U S, and with the UK and with the west in general, in it's kind of took off from there and just to be clear, I saw a good distinction. Definition between misinformation and disinformation were misinformation is clear where the source of the information is coming from. It's. Just the information is faulty, so they cover the. U S. Government is giving out like bad info about krona virus or something like that. This misinformation, this information, is where they information is faulty. But it's it's not clear whether this The information is coming from her where it came from. Originally it just popped up like a rumour something on social media that the information faulty either wages whether the source is clear who the sources are not that's. What this information is. So the checker operating in world war. Two they are spy

on our Manhattan project such that others. Quote in here this if they knew more about the creation of the atomic bomb and Truman did They ve really infiltrated things. This gave them huge leg up in making their own bomb in their efforts to welcome themselves into the atomic aid like they would have way way behind. Had it not been for their espionage efforts in there in America, there are ways that they did. This There were spies. You were a sort of the tried and true ways: as a diplomat and actually get in an embassy a different country, but you really a spy right. You could also seeing the movie, the America or the tv show the Americans It's called an illegal when you basically pass yourself off as someone of that nations origin. After World WAR, two in Finland, they would find records of infants who died at birth. Take that identity and then basically

come a finnish persons called the legend and you were essentially living in that country as an American or as a finnish individual. But you are really a secret agent for the Soviets right and I mean, like super duper, deep cover, so much so that you can exe to go, live like a pretty mundane everyday existence, furred years or- kids as an American or as a Finn, or something like that. Whatever your background, where it says you're from and then be called on to assess somebody one day or to start working sources- and it's not flagrant- is the obvious. The point is that they make kind of contacts and and with low level people at the edges of powers. How I saw it described but also saw that same person describe who described illegals like that, as

saying that there is probably more of them in the world today than there was even during the cold war. Scary. Isn't it scary but use the thing this is one thing that I ve learned about. Studying the KGB it's possible there are fewer illegals in the world today, maybe they're zero in the? U S, but the fact is, somebody said that, and the KGB track record is enough, that its possible. That's the carrot, and him all it takes now. People are paranoid. Unlike wait, a minute you toasty Gabert, are you actually? all of the Kremlin. Are you a plant by the KGB? Are you a sleeper agent who's running for president, like people start to get accusatory in Uk trust, anything any more now you're, starting to see your enemies all over the place and all cook was a rumour that there's more sleeper agents that are associated

cagey be today than there were in the cold war in our bodies, paranoid and the KGB. Work is done for the day and that could simply be disapprobation exactly exactly big, because this information can it takes on a life of its own. That's the point of distant from given that it makes people behave differently than they would if they had not heard that rumour and started to believe, because the other fact about this information, we should do in entire episode on it. I think is there has to have a colonel of truth, like like the black Panthers half, to suspect that the jewish defence League is or was prejudiced against them secretly and so like these documents, that that were founder cent of it, the black Panther headquarters just proved this suspicion that they already have or something like that or vice versa. So it has to have like this kernel of truth, for somebody be like no here's the proof and then it just takes off from there, because people love urban Legends

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So KGB. I promised to tell you it's the winner, Oh baby was born that little baby was born in nineteen. Fifty four, when the intelligence agency that it, like, I said, long, been operating, reorganise officially, finally, is the KGB with same mission in hand. They were known as this this time as the sword and the shield of the Communist Party. And if you're talking about the structure of the agency itself, it hands on him. I mean there's a lot that we don't know, but It depends on here asking I've seen anywhere from a quarter of a million tube seven hundred thou and people on staff, if you count the whole extended network of foreign border guards and stuff like that yeah? I think seven hundred thousands, the most

I've seen, which is a in your yeah, huge huge compared to any kind of Ex CIA or any other countries. Until women's organisations, the KGB is just massive right Everything that I saw by the KGB is that you can make a pretty good assumption that, just at especially during the cold war every single one of those agents were loyal to the Communist Party and one way that they made sure that every single agent was loyal became his party was to basically let them know that the other part. Other members of the KGB were spying on them. There's was entire sections. There were dedicated to spying just on the arm, forces just on the military alone, and that was one of I think twenty different director, its little divisions that were responsible for different kinds of tasks are there specializations yeah, the official like if you want to look at the official sort of charge of the KGB,

four areas in size it is the struggle or in, position. I guess the struggle against foreign, spies and agents the exposure and investigation of political and economic crimes by citizens. That certainly comes as a lot, protection of state borders. That's what I'm talkin about like the border guards and stuff like that, and then this is the big one, protection of state secrets right and then so, like that. Those big four, but their like. There is another about sixteen of em dedicated everything like can ensure that the phone and radio systems were encrypted to making sure the true transportation sector was an infiltrated like the cages had its fingers and absolutely everything there was one directorate that was specifically tat. With surveillance and monitoring, foreigners and people who the KGB suspected were were potentially dissidents, who are

we as citizens and they might, they mostly hung around like Leningrad in Moscow, because it's where most of the tourist were, but that was like a whole cage. Be division this, how many people they had and how many resources they threw it keeping tabs on the power structure and making sure that any challenges to the power structure were squashed in the cradle even strangled in the cradle Washington failure yeah, you know they recruited the best, the smartest people, the brightest people like you. Sort of mention is not like, like the KGB, with some to be feared by every city, the Soviet Union. I think how joint but joining the KGB to thwart that was not it's not like that you out of any sort of surveillance or in fact it may have even put you under a bigger microscope. Who knows. I mean they. They had every level of the military infiltrated with KGB agent like every puts platoon every detachment.

View were in a group with a military with the military. Somebody was KGB officer posing as a soldier a train and there are military. It's amazing yeah the enemy if it gets started like it said, nineteen fifty four end of the nineteenth sixties. It was firmly firmly in place as well as the watchdog of everybody in the in the Soviet Union. Right and I mean again with the people tend to say like while they think the KGB was the counterpart of the CIA. By that I mean in the CIA in some shady stuff, including domestically, but from from basically all sources. The main point of the KGB was domestic surveillance in domestic, cured, control of domestic challenges or descent toward the Communist Party. That's right

buying on people, tapping phone lines, harassing people arresting people, exile, people, If you were a religious activists. Good luck, if you are human rights advocates, good luck If you were an intellectual, if you're just you know, part of the intellectual sort of universities the Soviet Union. You better watch you say because definitely being watched in every word that comes out of your mouth, even in a classroom is, is being recorded yen, I mean some if you are, per high profile, you might make it out with your life in your family, might get out alive, but you would be exiled forks sizing the government a right.

Named Alexander Solzhenitsyn, souls that listen in practice that so that souls that listen yeah. I think this kind of close here he was actually think it science teacher started: writing books about how bad things were in the Soviet Union and eventually won the Nobel Prize for literature by Adam. He was eventually exiled. If you were less of a well known person in your critical of the government. You were more likely to find yourself in the dialogue, which is a system of prison camps that we referenced earlier and souls and souls in Solzhenitsyn. I think I said it right that time. I think that threat he estimated that about sixty million people were sent to those camps over the course. The twentieth century yeah I mean it's, it's impossible, literally impossible to put a number on the amount of

human lives lost due to the KGB, but there are people that have estimated, like, perhaps tens of millions of people taken out by the KGB ever since its history, which is here I mean I know CIA apologist, but they have their origins in millions here now again I mean you. We on the outside tend to think of the KGB, mostly as like this spy agency, but yeah they they kept. People in mind by killing member, sending them to secret prisons and making them leave in the middle of the night from their homes and never be seen again. It's just assist completely nuts and the effects that that has on society's yeah just Clement. I can't imagine I can sadly, but I can't imagine I've. Never lived through,

like that year and, if you know, if you run an organization or a web country or a nation from fear tactics from the top down That eventually is gonna, buy bite you in the behind, because what that as is everyone's paranoid against each other No one like in the case of stolen, let's say, stolen, didn't What you told them he would literally should the messenger he would execute anyone who told them anything that didn't basically support what thought should be going on like it wasn't like hey stolen found out some pretty bad stuff. That's going on. Like that's a good thing. That means we can. These people out got to a point where they wouldn't want to go to stolen with bad news. And that's that's not either no and they had to go to him with some new, so what they would do. It would just kind of

naturally include toward intelligence that supported their their view. Rather than you know, some I said: hey there's your real, unpopular in theirs. There's an uprising potentially coming they manage to squash. Anything like that, but in the end this with called sycophantic intelligence, where's Basically feeding you telling you what you want to hear that better actually will run a foul of reality and that's what people credit with the KGB. Dropping the ball in the fall of the Soviet Union. Back in ninety ninety one, although as well, see. There is actually a lot of direct influence that the h e had on that. But there's this idea that throughout its history there was extolling kind of kicked off. Thing where just tell me what I want to hear some right literally going to kill you or two in there.

That it was carried on even long after stolen was gone short that sycophantic. What kind of intelligence which is really so rising, because there was a really successful organization externally. It was that they think that potentially First is good, as they were espionage and stealing secrets that the Soviets word apparently not it. I have two preferences, let me just- We are thus this is reading american sources about the KGB. Rightly Did you be was really good at keeping a code of silence, there were especially towards the end of the USSR. More and more KGB agent started to defend. But even when they defective, we weren't sure if they were plants, so there is still like what they said was taken with the green assault, but that the idea that that the KGB was was very successful in stealing

secrets supports this idea now that The Soviet Union would not have been a superpower part of this too. Who superpower polarity that ran the world in the cold war. Had it not been for ceiling secrets, which, oh sure, as an explicitly say it, but suggests that they were, they did not have the best him just as far as technology and science is concerned, which is kind of surprise to me, because I always heard that soviets, had really really smart scientists in their own programmes too. But this researching the cage He made a sound like they were been able to keep up had they not stolen advance weapon technology in built versions of it. I'm not I'm views. I have no idea, what's true anymore, yeah twenty twenty, I think its task. Really true that their spying efforts cold war, especially when it

The nuclear armament work very much wrapped up because they were spying with us yet, but I think, they all ass. They were saying they were saying, there wasn't just getting the atomic bomb, but basically like all their advance weapons technology was this result of stealing and that the point is kind of a too and complemented backside a compliment that they They were really get its ceiling secrets, but that they wouldn't have Will there be a nuclear superpower without stealing secrets? I think that was TAT was what I was, but it's what I found well It also could have been an I'm to speculate it could have anything or that with such a part of the system was it that is Hey. We don't need to put resources for steps one through five, because we can steal that stuff right exactly and weaken to start on

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To find a place yeah. What is going on and make him ponds left and right. It's terrible. Do we talk about spies, sure yeah? Let's do it, so I think we did. Is we didn't espionage podcast years in you to go. I think you're spies. How spies working was just spies or was it? Espionage is well well. They go so closely together in the risk of this happening here. The Soviets were really good at well about We good cuz, who knows how many times it happened, but they had some very effective moments of turning Americans into double agents. A few notable people over the years- A man named all drink. It aims.

He was, a thirty one year, CIA officer and for about. Nine years was feeding the Russians earth. I guess it was the the union at that time, highly club If I'd information from CIA his big thing at sea, like was outing CIA sources and and stuff like that later turned KGB agents yeah, so I mean there's all kinds of ways or other people that FED documents will get to them in a minute, but he was outing sources and I think his actions directly led to at least that we know of ten CIA sources being compromised and killed, and then you know hundreds of intelligence operations that he was. He was kind of dropping the diamond and that's In addition to the lake, the loss of life, as far as the surgeons, commute concern when you, when you

EL. Somebody like that you're killing. Like decades worth of information that the person walking around in their head in contacts this general knowledge of how things work. So it's a really big deal in addition to again killings, buddy you're, wiping out like the institutional memory that they they carry with them. Too. That's been helping out the other side yeah he is in a medium security prison in Indiana today serving a life sentence, as is Robert Hansen, he's one that is a little more. I mean he worked up until the I think, two thousand one and said that his and espionage was possibly the worse intelligence disaster. In. U s. History he made about one point: four million dollars in cash and diamonds over the years selling classified documents to the KGB. Total double agent caught into thousand one after the FBI.

I paid seven million bucks to a KGB agent. Out him, as a mole very famous for yeah. I remember that is well. I remember all James to made it really easy on people like he was like spending. Obviously, and it was not that well off to begin with and which is just being very flagrant about it. Robert Handsome was a little smarter about if I'm not mistaken, yeah whose the other guy there was one other guy that basically was spilling secrets about her submarine programme. I dont. Until now there was a year there was a naval captain after war to somebody Saint John was then the sixties. That was never yet. I can remember his first name, but someone Saint John. He was a naval enable captain. Yet there was a trove of KGB files from an operation from the sixties, their basically come

armed. He was indeed a russian spy, both of them and birds were indeed russian spies, Alger Hiss, who I think went to his eve denying that he was a spy was in fact a spy further for the soviet, so they did have a pretty good success of turning Americans into in, for and so did the CIA and the KGB, apparently by Adam that this third, the stuff they got was, was pretty useful and again it was not limited to advance weapon design, but also industrial technology, stuff that we saying there's embargoes on this. You can't export this. They still manage to get their hands on this because their contacts on the turned in the. U S, displaced briskly. Anything you would want to keep you your economy, humming along just from from stealing that's how you could say you could do, here, the Navy guy his was he he's one that volunteered himself, basically Bible.

Because he wanted money. It's like it all came down to greed. He walked into a yet now I'm sorry, my John Anthony Walker, Junior, that's, who I'm talking about to get not Saint John, not Saint John. He was known as the hatred sing, another hipsters yeah. A John Anthony Walker, Juniors, the one that that wanted money, and he would he volunteered by causes he was a antium. African who wanted to see. The communist party thrive heed. It was all motivated by greed and he walked in An embassy in the United States will take up a code. Com it or something and said Hale sell you this for three thousand dollars in they bought it, and he was like, and you know what that went well. So just put me on the payroll, family involved. He had, as I think you do, to get his father involved his daughter, his son, his wife, the Sunday baseball coach, everybody well.

At one point, the the Russians basically knew where all of our submarines were at all times because editor yeah and His wife was apparently a really bad alcoholic, probably you know no small part this and eventually out at him after he was way to Lucy Goosey, with HU. We try to get involved in trying it your whole family involved and then some say now that into it and then Murray Wanna keep doing it with her. Do you she read it about, though she would call a bunch. Apparently in either, can out or she was really blitzed and couldn't get across what you want to say, but eventually she did to an office in Boston and they thought will. This is just some drunk wife trying to get her husband in trouble. Ignored it again,

Chile, though they did look into it and made you know they search the guy's house and they found like briefcases full of classified documents, and it was just a meanness. This went on for twenty. Ten years. I think I think from what I understand the most damning evidence was. He had one of those russian fur hats that year flat that they remain so but as good as they were at turning people at creating illegals, the sleeper agents which may or may not be all over the world right now, one of the things, the cage, he has long been known for this information campaigns infirmary that fact that guy's arctic? spies. Election meddling and disinformation past and present Color wantons article, basically every every conspiracy theory that I

leaved as a teenager apparently was a KGB rumour disengaging campaign. I could I believe this is. I was reading. It was like a trip through my mind. You know formative years, basically, the idea that the? U S, government, created AIDS, yet target developing countries Katy idea that that american tourists used to go down to South America and Central America and adopt kid so that they can harvest their them for body parts KGB get this. There's a pool? I dont remember when it was conducted, but it was some time after the Kennedy assassination, where more Americans believed that the CIA killed J F K, then The Warren Commission concluded, which was that Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone. More Americans, believed what turned out to be a GB disinformation campaign. Then

what the Warren Commission came up with them, as they came up with the one that the CIA killed J F K, though there was the KGB that did that and you know that the friend of your friends mom, who was on the elevator with Eddie Murphy, eighty KGB, does right everything. I mean all that stuff, Flasher lighted, somebody in the gang comes and kill you Katy be, but it's just so bizarre to think like y know, I thought that I talk to people out that, like late at night, like we're conversations about the stuff and it when you see when you read it and realise that, like this has been going on for years, a really puts things into focus. Now, like the two thousand, sixteen election meddling sure tat the the idea, there's like like g are you agents Millet, intelligence agency or posing as members of black eyes matter or who posed is like tea party member

during re. Doesn't sixteen election like that? They They were actually working for the suit the for Russia the idea that that that still going on just becomes all the other more clear when you look at some of their past campaigns, something do occasionally. I don't know why torture myself, but Sometimes I will read comments on a Fox news that come article eight, some pulsation? thing, and then you can leave a comment about the comment and someone will come at like ok, thanks a lot dmitri loaded you, don't know man, that's what they do. They in future message boards and they infiltrate social media random you never know like yeah. It's it's just its released is staggering that this kind of stuff,

There goes onto this degree, yeah, there's nothing. We can do about it yet for real. So so what? Let's? Let stepped back for a second, because we could have hoped, the head, but I want to go back into KGB. History. Kgb was around from nineteen fifty forty ninety ninety one and we said earlier that the the KGB had a direct role in the fall of the USSR. They did because there was a KGB head who is a point a garbage off, because he thought that he was an intelligent, moderate person who is over the new ideas and eternity wasn't. He was part of that same old KGB establishment I think this is the way that they were and then he actually led a coup against Gorbachev. I did. I was too young to know what was going on, but there is, coup against Gorbachev where he was under house arrest for a minute here and on the coup. Finally failed.

Has it became clear that the military wasn't wasn't in on it wasn't going to take part in it, but eventually led directly within months to the down, all of the USSR, the break up of the USSR. Given them, time they had elected for the first time a damn radically elected president and when Gorbachev saw that basically Who was a vote of no confidence in him? He stepped aside separated the communists party from the presidency and all of a sudden, this is our wasn't there anymore. It was just Russia because these satellite states started saying hey independent. Now what will see later Soviet Union and the USSR fell. Apart, kicked off by this coup that the KGB initiated. Yeah. I think Yeltsin Yeltsin's gives me officially supported upright yeah yeah yeah. Said KGB your dissolved, we're gonna break you up into their efforts, be and yeah, I did the same stuff Craigs I could put just do it separately. I think,

if I separate you guys, you might be less evil. And apparently that was not the case here and apparently not apparently, but very famously. Putin came straight out of the KGB He was a KGB agent in the mid nineties, seventies supposedly, but as he saw a movie about russian spies- and I guess thought it was awesome- I want to tell you that there is a picture of him and one of these articles were he's in the seventies wherein, like this newsy cap and just look and super seventies. Yet he also look like prudent man, just complete poker face he's tearing off camera somethin, who knows what he's taken in its debts gets a really cool picture. There's another picture to supposedly of him, posing as it who standing next to Ronald Reagan. My guide, everything that picture it's not it's just so great, but then you're like is a prudent, I went and looked and it turned out that there is still

this agreement of whether it's him or not, but most people say that that's not him that he been in Dresden at the time. He I've been in the Soviet Union, I'm looking now, my God, it certainly looks like Putin, the net, but the official that is not his little camera around. His neck Putin was not just in the KGB. He became the head of the efforts be, and this is a real testimony to just how powerful KGB in the KGB remnants successors remain went from head of this first be too, but the President of Russia. That was the step that he took and he was now the first person Do that other KGB heads at work their way up to become the head of the Communist Party and the de facto. The Soviet Union at the time. So all of this kind of goes to show you that that now even the fall of the USSR really did. Thing to slow down the KGB and the advent of

technology held kind of, actually speed, things up, quite a bit yeah, and if you, those murders are earth. The path that is certainly not the case. I remember, as I'm sure you do in two thousand six Alexander listen of Anko, Levin, Yunker lebanese Anko when there was killed by the radioactive polonium to ten that was dropped in his bed, age and they. They have a history of doing. So really awful way to die and they have a history of killing people in really awful ways, because it since that message right that you know. Not only can you die but you're going to die in a really awful awful way and everyone's going to know I'm dating back to the Trotsky who to Mexico City in some behind Em Ramon, Mercator with the ice acts and sunk it

inches into his brain. He said how do you like this projection, my god that was actually so bad. I think that was brilliant. Thank you. How come around to the oil is really good. I gotcha Mercator projection those lovely but he killed them with an ice acts, but he lay for a day. I thought I'd always heard the story and always saw the heat, like planted him in the brain, and that was it, but Trotzky got up was like fighting him off, and people came in and kick this guy's, but in he served in the hospital for like a full day after this wild eyed. Well, yet been Yankovo. He survived long enough that he help solve his own murder. There's a really great guardian right on it called elegant living Anko, the man who saw his own murder and die. It's definitely worth reading for sure I mean just a couple years ago. Was that guy's name screwball, Sergei scruple,

He will use the one with the nerve poison he wasn't killed. There was an attempt on his life, though yeah, but it was just is just like every time you think man, this is cold. War, stuff it just pops up in the news again, he like man, it's still happening yeah, and I mean we should save both of those attacks worry in London like this wasn't in Russia, Moscow or anything like that. This was in London. These guys lived in London in exile and they were still murdered in London through like Radioactive material and nerve gas that was smuggled in the country and that actually is coming this stand as evidence that there still are these illegals, these deep cover, sleeper agents that are working for what used to be the KGB, and now the efforts

yeah and that's why it's a really big deal that a president of the United States would want to cosy up to somebody like Putin, who is making great efforts to put who he wants an office yeah I mean it's is disappearing, simple, like this, an unbelievable, absolutely Well said you anything else, I got nothing else but rage. So if the floated your boat gacek out spies, election meddling and disinformation pass and presents create article check out. Examiner Levin Yankovo Spy, who solves his own murder. The man is Baldos solve this summer check out. The big They had a good one called the history of the KGB the legendary methods. So I think you're, like all three of those and since I said I think, you're like all three of those it's time for listener me This is about a heroine lozenges. Remember that when I one wondered, if it still around so

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