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because every fourteen minutes some one finds love on e harmony. Welcome to stop. You should now a production of iheart radio day and work under the podcast. I'm josh clark loose charles toby chuck brightness, just the two of us kind like old times and chuck sure in this is stuff. You should it's not the full thing without you that's right, but you said your josh clark. Don't you mean Josh, clue, yeah? That is what my my name is from its one, almost boring names you could have, but this is my last name. And that's we're talking about. I don't even know my I mean. I know they like country of origin and stuff for bryant button. I don't really know like this. All those episodes where I was constantly going. Ah, they ever that

from. Oh that's interesting, but I didn't have anything for me. I have something for you friend. You got the origin of bright. No order wayne. Ok, let's hear it denotes a dry. or builder of wagons. That nobody in a nutshell. Well, that was my surname yeah, but I mean it still. Works for your middle damosel linkages loses all meaning when it gets moved the middle right builder wagons, three or driver. You could have been driver to chuck wagon or or a double trouble. a builder driver of wagons right, so why that's that's it, but, I've talked about middle middle names. They they really talk about first into surnames, which, if you ve ever been confused about which, when that is it's the last name, it's the family name generally yes, and depending on where you live in the world that might come before your first name, it might come after it. There might be an couples

Her name's involved there may be a hyphen joining them. There's a lot of different things can do surnames and, like you, I was like kay, there's a actually a lot of interesting stuff too. So good pick, and thanks to the grab sir, for helping us out yeah and you know ed feature later on, because I don't want to spoil it yet. But his last name is interesting, because this polish and polish names are generally interesting another and how they look paper on the page sure and are often changed so we're just we're. Gonna float that others are teaser can be talking about its last name in speaking of it being on paper. I thought it was a polish name. All this time said something first, the deal was surnames, though, is they have been around a lot less long, one way to say it then

a given amory first name like first names, they came first like from the beginnings of people like we took too, people wanted to call each other things, and so people would you give each other names, but sir aims, were invented much much. Much later, for reasons were talk about kind of roundish, the eleventh century yeah, that's fur like england, western europe, their workplaces, where they came along much earlier, like I think in China they been in use for the three thousand years. As far as we can tell ya, and then in rome there were different naming conventions that had to name sometimes three names. You know a couple thousand years ago, so yes, surnames in england at least her at the western europe. They are definitely latecomers is relatively small. Yeah- and you know one of the reasons you might think like. Why would you need a certain,

and there are a bunch of reasons- one of which, like one of the earliest reasons, was it the vienna there were more people being born in so your we'll quaint town the head. You know, John in and Jane chauvelin John and Jane were but then as more and more people are born, that town gets bigger and bigger, there's more johnson jaynes. It was literally just like away to differentiate people. Yet equally and then also as people started, to travel more there there that also kind of calls for people to differentiate themselves a little bit too so population pressure is a really good reason. A really get explain her for I there were such things as surnames why they came along there, just more people, so you needed to be able to say no knowledge

in that jane. The other Jane people got really sick of of doing that, especially if a third jane came along. They just pull the heroin, be man all the time right in there, by the time, people own property or head like legal? to transfer to another titles, and things like that right, then you had have surnames so nobles. Of course you know, there's the ally class it plays into this, because certain so people were landowners and had official titles. So these nobles adopted these surnames or maybe the monarch said you have to have a surname, because need to know you're the rights, succession of your land- or you know just got all Please check out, so we just being john, isn't enough anymore. Yeah was it's strange to think of naming somebody in like saying either choose an aim or I'm for you. It was a way for the rule. Class averse civilization to like basically track people.

keep em in line tour. Keep you know one group from marrying another group in consolidating its power and its interesting, because they think that in China. One of the reasons why they surnames came along three thousand years ago is because the population pressure, but also because the zoo dynasty and I'm probably not saying that correctly- think Z, H. Oh you is that right, Joe I'm gonna go is Joe, I'm just gonna feel will spicy today, z, age, a or my thinking of something different. Ok, so even more I'm gone was Yao. But anyway the zhao dynasty was saying. Like you know, we want to keep track of you nobles and a good way to do that so like a label, something that's how you keep track of something and that's, one of the other reasons why these some that surnames came along and china in the same thing played out. You know

a couple thousand years later in england for basically the same reasons that right whales, wrong. It Z, it showed up europe's. I owe you can we go. We shall then Are you talking about william the first year, the conqueror in his dooms tape, hook, which boy if there was ever a book that was miss title not doomsday its domes day, addio m e s day. Why? But it when you, at its very you just want to say doomsday book. Yeah but what it was. It was just a survey of land and landowners and tin. Eighty seventeen, eighty six, and it will The first commission, this thing and basically said are we got a book now so that all these and My name's are going to do it, so we have to have an official historical record of the stuff, so pick a surname yen. It was almost like taking up to now.

shot of like the conventions in the customs of naming people at the time, because, William, the car, He didn't say you know you have to have a surname now It was more like whatever you go by you're, going to go down in this book as that right and that basically solidified increase that tradition of a single surnames from that point on it kind of like kept going. What is so funny, I'm just you can think of us. Do you want to be johnny? I held the rest, your life heckling, that's what you're known as around town deserted. You have a guy, it's here to rewrite things yankee. Go back and look. There's a young, a website that that Ed found I'll try find it later, but it's basically just tittering tour through medieval england in some of the horrific last named people got saddled with four nicknames than that became like their last name. They like stuff, we just genuine, possibly say on

pod cast yeah and points out two and two since we're talking about that. That sarcasm is not a recent invention, so you might be called something like you may be john goodman, while not You could be John, given I'm just going with John for everything when you were like a very like not nice dude, somebody might have said goodman as a good man yeah as a sort of a nod and a wink or a joker, a play on words. Like imagine. If John goodman were basically like Russell crow point across these dylan Russell girl. I'm trying to throw back here man, I'm trying to bring everybody back to our period of comfort rather than moving along with everyone else, but you interesting. You mention medieval the medieval period because the roman system that you talked about, which, eventually evolve to a three name system. I think it first

I guess before rome, indifferent civil is since they had single names, but the romans came along and they had what was called a pray. I guess pray Gnomon, genuine the equivalent of a given name, then the gnomon which what we think of his last name and then later on. If you are like an elite, you The third name, the cognomen, if you want to like show off a little bit show your status, but it went after the romans for a long time and then came back with the europeans yeah, it's really interesting. I think the europeans had all this influence. The Chinese had already invented this for a couple thousand years and it is kind of like, all the nice elation later on is so it really kind of does this go to show you like surnames herb, because once you reach a certain point of you know a civilization were a population growth its.

Something that is going to come up. Inevitably organically. It's pretty need. It is pretty neat in vienna. We mentioned some asian names and a korean japanese in chinese, are traditionally written with the surname first and then you given name and then, just a few years ago, japan formerly enshrined that instead You know what I'm gonna westernized this anymore. We're gonna go at the surname. First, the other go back to their roots. I love it. The new kind of suit birthright, you do you got Ellen really, yes, your man chuck, I'm impressed should meet it. Wasn't your impress us take a break here is that of unwanted than when it is like bay than that for a minute it's a wise move, or rather two minutes and we'll be back and talk about the different types of turning

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you'll get ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain that square space, dot com, slash s why s k square space madame hurry, so what's interesting is that surnames, you know, take all sorts of different shapes and forms in theirs. Actually, some pictures, they just don't, have em or don't use em. I believe the philippines didn't use surname until they were colonized by europeans. right so I mean there's some. Some cultures they dont you surnames at all, but among the cultures they do. You surnames indifferent way, shape way. Shapes informs there's actually some com, allergies, almost universality amongst names and where they came from him, what they mean

There is at least four or five that you can kind of hack out that say Wherever you go in the world they're using surnames, they may have some sort of like version of this year, and this is it's really cool. I think- and this found me saying you know his edgar's about bunch. A great example. of a surname and then, when you find out how it evolved to be that you just go, oh well! That completely makes sense. Now, while I was about to say something about jobs, but we'll get the jobs a minute. First, though, place name specific place names if you were in. I think a lot of people know this one. But if you were from a place you might have been chuck of the atlantic, or you know, if it was in europe, it might you might substituted d for the latin like chuck de atlanta right then over time. That D. Theirs is this process that happens to work

where, if you use a word for a thousand years it's kind of molded and shaped and in down to more manageable size, you're saying a loyal and oh energy right, exactly alike, Theo party, och is in the house tonight, but it's called translation and same thing happens with names do so instead of chalk day atlanta, it could just become chuck debt lantern de apostrophe atlanta, which is very kind of nice. Like I like the way that rings that land yea. I have to say like that or you can just get rid of that apostrophe and make your one word chucked. Atlanta right and they actually have like the with the name darcy. It used to be somebody for a day day: arcy arcy is a villa to believe in france or normandy, maybe

over time became de apostrophe arcy, as in jefferson darcy for married, but children oranges, darth, dear see why, as in mister darcy from pride and prejudice I presume jefferson, darcy characters based on bud If you have the name darcy you can. Almost I mean there are other ways you can acquire less surname, which will will see kind of along the way, but chance are you can probably traced back to the fact that someone in your lineage was from arcy? Yes in? It also suggests that some somewhere back in your lineage. Somebody was probably of noble lineage, because it was the nobles who would have taken the place that they were from as their surname. As the number one they would go off to court, so they would be. I'm jefferson darcy, so you know not jefferson deadline.

better jefferson, darcy, I'm under one from darcy or from arcy right commoner from ours. We have no reason to say that their from arcy, because they don't ever leave arcy, they spent their entire life their executive and then, Also ever if it let people know that you were you basically like ruled that land that you're from that was. That was that in its call the top and limit name where year, it's a place name that you ve taken as your last name. That's right! If you were a common, like you said you would not be chuck of Atlantis his eye, was, I grew up a commoner I could make no claim that I ruled atlanta back in the medieval times or post medieval times, and everyone we have that name too and in my little neighbourhood that didn't have a lot of money would say, but you might

have a really local name. That is more like topographic like if your last name is here, or under hill or green, then Chances are your dad. You know. Distance relatives lived on a hill a green or under a hill on enough that they were cave dwellers, but those are literally named. There's an aim by water up. There really heard that, but you know it literally means you lived by the water. Yeah, there's some really nice names that have to do with water as that serve as last names. Like bees shore bay meadow. I think those are very pleasant. But that I never really realise that means that their family lived by a bay by marrow? I guess how about a little less aims. Those are very nice listings. And then chuck. I also realise, just now

You were talking that you could have rightly called yourself. Chuck did on paved road right sure. However, that would have definitely place there ya go flickr. Our jacques de gravel yeah did dv reveal another locator arrests, graphic. Sort of along the same lines? If he ever hear anyone with a last name of like scott or western western is a great example of great last name or the last name. Ireland didn't mean it does. Very quite literal last names taken because chances are they move to a different place. It may be was a different rynch yater like there, you know them it even called the person from ireland that move to place. Not ireland, ireland, where it exists, they were particularly emigrants. You know they were the scott who just showed up

that everybody liked. You know the scott, ok, yeah, John Scott sure this guy talk school exactly. It's also like another movie. Zombie land were everybody's called where their front I don't remember that yeah, I think, come with the same jesse heisenberg is now who's in a year. He he's like column, Listen, I can't remember what woody harrelson were his from tax. Maybe you suddenly baron gotcha gear, I just wanted to give her a zombieland shout out. You know it's good movie. It really was surprisingly so or if you're at a just finished severance. You just have a last initial, like mark s, there really are well. I just watch twice as Emily didn't want the first around and I was like, I think you would like this actually so

I watched it all the way through again, so I obviously loved it, but that a boy that season valley was to take the forty five minute. Panic attack in one of them as unfair, cliff anchors timely three of tv. It really was, but really really get stuff love it so moving on shock one of the other things we could have adopted as our surnames. If that were a thing like people were still taking new surnames, we could be josh podcast her and truck tightly yeah. I mean. I love this one, because this is probably the a common way that someone would get a surname. I think more than ten percent of english surnames are because of an act occupation in your lineage. So, yes, you know Karen carpenter. She some one way back in her family. That was a carpenter, probably or are we ever had a weaver in his family? In any smith, I mean

Well, that's not true, because there is a thing to wear out: I'm emigrants adopt the name like one of the most common names when they would emigrate to a country yet to fit in so there might be some smith acquired that way. But if you worse then you had the last name psmith right. Or clark is a derivative of clerk, which was at the time not to some some pencil pusher. It was a a scholarly person who could read and write at a time when most people couldn't red. Oh yeah yeah, my ancestors was real. Smart thatcher is another example of an occupationally based or shepherd. These are all very obvious, but one I've called little o moments. is in medieval england, they would use, sd are or ex t ye are as suffix. If it was a one, an occupation right, so a baker would become baxter or brewer.

would become brewster, that's right so than that that hold status. For england, but like if you went to germany in: u s name schmidt, it's it's the same thing, as if you were in england in you, I seem smith, because there is somebody in your lineage that was a blacksmith which is pretty cool and There is almost like, like I was saying when they doomsday book was, was when it came out delicacies. Sure it was like a snapshot of professions at the time in a pair really within about three hundred to four hundred years. The use of surnames had solidified enough that keep it became weird for the tradition of it being weird for us to say. I'm changing my last named podcast her It is my job. There had really kind of solidified keyboard taking on new surnames. They were getting them passed along and so professions that came after the fourteen fifteen centuries, don't usually pop up very often as peoples

name now, but it's funny now that I'm thinking my instagram handle is chuck. The pod gaster chuck by did pockets change it to devise their views at a large esther. Then the briefing, I think, that's a great idea, charles another funding the edge found was sometimes actors, can the day would soon with a nod and a wink take his surname of a character that they played a lot and anyone that knows the origins of the theatre knows that actors were me now: not like the other day. They were generally sort of of the lower class, and so, if you that that would like sort of explain away. While you might find some one of the of a lower class, maybe with the last named king or lord, shook as they might be, an actor who played the king or lord alot, yes, and then Name's play a really big role across cultures and again this

kind of what they think the tradition of first names came out of like you're. Your first name was not enough: thoroughly john or jammer josh chalk or anything like that. A back in the day it was probably just the initial differentiate or for you you know like instead of back. I know no, not that guy, that guy They would say you know red apparently Sherlock means fair headed. They would also they would. Apparently, if you did things with sails your penis, you might end up with a not a nickname name like shakespeare, they think is actually that are wag staff are, they think, are actually from from that kind of lewd toilet humor

Oh brow, humour that people used to love in the medieval era. Dahlia I mean there was. You know, I mean shakespeare itself, a sort of body, but I took an english class where we did and took a couple of like a playwright did take, play writing but play reading glasses. What would you call tat play reading drama out a better name in that sir and a lot of the place that we read from the time period, that weren't shakespeare were just toilet, humor, believing humor dirty body humor. There was brown in itself. This has gone anywhere, I mean I mean to marry the children reference not twenty minutes ago, Still around other matters. We're inside around anymore, but you know what I'm saying, but I would pause it that like sophisticated, intelligent humor is a pretty recent invent. You know, I'm sure there are pockets of here. There are over

I might benjamin franklin at a pretty sharp wit and he was he was of an intelligent tumor. no you're right. I mean the first joke was put my finger. Let's be honest right in that I said a long time. People use there. still there well when dry, but I think it's a fairly recent thing in, I think em. You know I think that's kids introduction. the humor is like lowbrow toilet humour, but I think it's a pretty big mouth. Occur basin. How fast you? U evolve into intelligent, humor yeah, oh, for sure. Like my daughters, the earth, the funniest words for her or when she's trying to make a joke like kids, don't make really good jokes. No, they don't they're. All cars are not sufficient. Yet, but they sure do like to talk about your you know open your hair and stuff. Like that, you know it is pretty good and me laughing certainly doesn't help. No definitely not does emily get matter. Does she left he now she

What's in the room, does she she got that, for me, is a sheet of your own making and am, I guess here- is it actually do have proven? My hair is no joke, they say, My finger emily. I probably should take back like my little soap box thing condemning toilet in lowbrow, humor cuz. It is still kind of finding out you mention I love it. I mean our alike both allocate a sharp wit and I could afford joke all. At the same time, that chuck makes you a renaissance. Man makes a hit if you well stranded, tie that into what else about cynics barely can think of a good last name for that, but if you another, very common surname convention is if he were the sun or daughter of some. Body, and if John was your dad, you would be johnson or smith's son.

sometimes it was even more basic than that like if your name was gives example of someone named Martin and edison in george. They might just take the dad's name and be george Martin right. Typically, especially in western europe. In the u k, that's its took their fathers lineage, so it's patronymic is that kind of naming convention in there is such a thing is matched and make naming conventions is too much rarer. Sure enough. In our cultures, but it does happen like marianna means a job How marry me so it happens from time to time is too much less common, but that is like you said, it's a very common thing, the name to take a relatives name and it happens

a bunch of different ways and a good example of how how in a different can be as in ice landing culture, yet aware who, if Europe son, say you're the son of Eric yearly k, of course, yeah you, your last name would be Eric son, if you're a son. Her a daughter, you would be Eric's daughter. So Eric has a son and daughter and they're both son and daughter, but they have two different last names. And the reason why iceland is not catching fire in People are running all over the place in confusion is because it orally carers much about last names. Yet, as is gonna cool cuz, Ed brought up bjork

and she doesn't just go by be york to be like Madonna, be organised by the yorick, because in icelandic culture the surname just isn't that big of a deal, and so I looked up her surname and be york. Surname is actually and I'm gonna mispronouncing of no idea about icelandic stuff. Smite is its goons d which is, of course TT. I are because Her father was go mender gunderson, that's a great name, which means that his father it was named gunnar right. So it's sort about this weird flip. As you back. It's like I almost like a little puzzled will icelandic puzzle is pretty cool and then Also in a stroke of awesomeness, iceland has also come up with a third a third.

Name for non binary, gendered people who don't go by some daughter they go by bur, so it be Eric bur, that's right. And now you know, that's the thing now with especially with hyphenation will get. why you might change your name, but you know one of the sort of feel like it's kind of antiquated, but one things that we do here in the west, sometimes, as one might take her husband last name or they might hyphenated. But with You know non binary parents, her gay parents. Sometimes they will if an eight there last name, which you know apparently, can present a little bit of accounts sometimes in that their struggle to, I guess I have a non traditional family, but also sort of and fit in with a more traditional naming convention yeah, which I had never considered, and that sad that that is even

the question whether it makes sense in the kind of way go. Iceland yeah and then also we really shouldn't leave our arab cultures, who use ibn for son of all, the name of incomes in them. Of the name. It be been more bent. His daughter of It usually can go back a couple of generation. Sometimes three, which explains why there is a lot of ribbons or be followed by other names in somebody's full name from arab cultures. That's right or at gives a great example of saddam hussein was saddam dane dulled much heed our treaty and said I would be given name. Their hussein would be the father's name abba

machine is grandfathers, name then out of crete. He is where he grew up, so that sort of a mesh of topical or not top a graphic, a guess what we call the geography. Her husband mimic yet epidemic, and then the patriarchal and everything should sort of mashed together and with his grandfather right, going, take another breakin and come back and talk more about jonah, surnames, sure, ok, we're gonna do it. Everybody sit tight,

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drink as it gets truncated along the way? So AP rice are h. Y S would be son of rice, but and over time that gets truncated and AP just becomes a p, so the name price original, can very well it's hard to say, like in all cases, obviously, but could have, robin like the sun rise, yeah Aris, so it could also be the last may increase, which are raised like that. Don't sound right right hits. Instead it and then so we talked a little bit about changing names and there's all sorts of reasons. People change names theirs. Also a lotta reasons. People take on names again, sometimes it's decreed by law. Apparently There is a law during the austro hungarian empire that you needed a last name, and so there is a kind of a customer trend. You could almost say among a jewish people who

in that area are under austro hungarian rule to kind of take names from nature like ten embalm arose, media fir tree or and as well. The more common jewish names come from that have a kind of a germanic tone to them and then also there was a big there's a big can under a mirror. I guess a decision that faced freed enslaved people, sure, the emancipation proclamation than later on june teeth because they didn't actually have surnames at the time, especially if aid you know been in a second third, fourth, fifth, gender. they american they may not have a surname at all that right and so many cases, They were given or sometimes chosen, the the name of the person who enslaved them, which obviously is generations, went on that doesn't sit as well.

And so a lot of times, if you're african amira, and you may change your name later on, like No many generations later to sort of shed yourself of that enslaved name and then probably the most common reason, especially in the west, that people change their names is through marriage right, which has evolved over time. You know traditionally was the wife took the husbands, ass name, shut own name maiden name may be moved it to her middle name. and then that was it. Over time. There's does been kind of like this. A push against this being, completely subsumed by their husbands, identity in that introduce thea, the hyphenated last name into western culture, which and its it like. If you go to spain, they ve been doing that for a very long time near so much so that like

in the children, were actually have both of their parents. Last names, fathers first hyphen mothers. Second, that's that's been going, it's called dose of leaders, but in here and like the west, I should say in the united states, because I guess they would technically be the west, that's becoming more more common, but it still fairly new. If you think about it, I mean I don't remember people hyphenated their names are a commonly before, like the 80s or 90s, I would say, yeah. I mean I'm sure it happened, but it seems like a definite caught on. You know, obviously was sort of than lockstep with a well when the liberation movement there they called it. The flash dance effect It's only in others, there's no wrong way to do it. People should do what they want to do. I never wanted or expected Emily to change your name cause she's just getting. Last name in that's who she is in an ever

I just thought it seemed outdated to me, but there is no right or wrong way. An eventual years later. Right we wonder when my daughter came along. She ended up going with a hyphen. It. And then you know our very good friend of infringing the show who played jerry must have No tv show lucy wainwright, roach. That is happening because her father is loud, wainwright and her mother is says he Roche, in so she I went with a hyphen it. Yet early there's a famous some based player for jethro toll had not heard of this food hygiene. Did you know my narrative him? He had not his first names. Jeffrey will calm that for the moment, but both of his parents had the last name of hammond yeah they weren't related, despite him playing base for jethro tall and

he wanted to honour both of them, so he took the last named jeffrey. Hammond hammond, with the heightened in between them is pretty funny job Jeffrey. I knows pretty great they are the great story everywhere. He goes intelligent, humor, that's right, yeah, you think, somebody you went to a shakespeare play would get that now, but he totally lost time One of the myths weaken kind of burst, although I'm sure it happened. Some was there notion that if you came- Alice island, you, just given whatever name the person immigration on Ellis island like filling out or if they want to shorten the shortened it if they want to get rid of some of the hyphen, they get rid of the highlands. Apparently I'm sure that did happen some, but an angry man can never so say this angler sizing, gig nailed it yeah angler sizing did not

then, to the extent that people think it did on Ellis island. In many times it was the people themselves, it knew country, new start one to fit in that would drop the apostrophe foreign darcy and stuff like that. yeah. I saw that if anything Alice island immigration officers were more prone to actually correct mistakes in spelling air that some shipping clerk over in europe had made on the ships manifest most of them spoke multiple languages and, were you know pretty familiar with well. You know, there's a finite number of last names, and so, if you see one with the the another, the name misspelled they they probably corrected. It says Yes, like the opposite of the myth that you have here, Another thing that people have done to make maybe just a little bit easier on everybody else in themselves- is too, if it

of a name, it's kind of a lot of confidence in it lets say here with his loving countries, is too ethically spell it out in air. Like a teacher. The beginning ed's last name is that we must combat raptors grabbing ascii. And he lives in the region where there are a lot of polish people still living there, and he says the It is never seen another grauben ascii, but he does see Grabowski. Sir grab skis no grabs there's. No word were trying to make it happen, though, are yet my friend Paul last name as was low, but it is not spelled. It w aisy, yellow w I can remember house powered spelled, but it's not intuitive, but he held. To it, and he didn't. He didn't change it fanatically for paul sticking to the man Paul's family is the trade began,

Yes, I'm looking here, do you have anything else really nothing of any great interest. If you ask me nothing, this is good stuff. I think it's It's cool people should check like I'd love, to hear some stories from listeners, or maybe do a little research into your own name and where it might have come from his there's a lot of interesting stories out there about your more yeah also checked by the way your last name denote. Somebody who used to live by a hill in the caltech era are really bryant. Yes derive from Bree own help, people pronounced brittany in northern france a year of french each other interesting, pretty cool. Ah here that aren't, I

well since check so ha ha ha. Of course I mean this time for listener. Mail are right to call this choir math and ashes say that, while here ahead of a lot of consternation after lyle sent this email about, because Latha math person- and I think it math teacher about how wild chose to express this- so much so that almost didn't read accident when it calls LAO any stress learning to read anyway, this is about the church choir coincidence when we said one in a million he said. Did you guys calculate that yourself guessing you repeated it from something else, because unless I'm missing so one out of one million- is crazy wrong using the assumptions you stated for two reasons: arrogant. If there are fifteen members, in each had a one quarter, chance of being late. The probabilities

an independent, so like rowing, fifteen four sided dice that would be roughly a one in a billion chance. in number two point, two Even the calculation in one completely fails to capture what you seem to want to express the chance of something like this happening. I e the simultaneous choir lateness, coinciding with the explosion. That would be tricky to work out the simplest way to calculate it would be too side on the chance of a nineteen, fifty nebraska church blowing up on a given night and multiply that by the one billion chance above so basically as it sounds like we did, have the equation and didn't even do that half right now. That sounds like us, so he says the unity churches blow often blowup often and nineteen fifteen nebraska but seek you can have say a building, blowing up sure or a building killing. Somebody like

I don't know where you draw the line is anonymous person or how you would call quantify that. I would think you'd need to go with. Churches is to compare app apples and then also you know not every building is going to invite people into it at seven p, m on at sea and yet either something third point lot affair and allow actually goes on to say it. is he to get overly dazzled doing calculations like these and I think that's what we are now is overly dazzled. I'm dazzled the horse typically describe any event, recollection of event or astronomically unlikely it becomes. I e the chance of my spaghetti being in this exact configuration, or mine, bogglingly low, ass, pretty amazing story. And that is from while that is- classic lyle, always slipping spaghetti reference into his emails. You know yeah. It is interesting to think about, though, like spinning, how far you wanna drill down. Even you know it gets a little nutty totally, but I like his

calculations even better than ours, one in a million chains, kind of dazzling, one billion chance, and that's just step one. This. Stars in my eyes, basic loudly, while what they, So I I'm sorry for driving you little bit crazy. We are glad that you could take the time to explain to us what we got wrong and not call a stupid in the in the bargain thinking If you want to be like lying get in touch with us, you can send a city mail to stuff podcast. Did I hurt radio dotcom stuff? You should now is a production. If I hurt radio from our past, My heart, radio visit by hurt radio apple had passed over he listened to your favorite. Shows.