Emma goes deep this week on the notion of becoming “irrelevant” on the internet. Navigating “cancel culture”, challenges of growing up in front of millions, a lack of privacy and extra scrutiny, and less wiggle room to make normal teenage mistakes. Why clickbait content is less important than creating something you’re passionate about, and how living life based off views and likes can really be a strain on mental health.
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Ramble, hi guys welcome to any
in their happy Thursday reveals news when it comes out it's Thursday, when I'm actually recording this social caught in a week, not that you fucking care,
but that's what's going on, it's literally eight am its eight. In the morning re now I've been with
hang up so early for some reason, like my body just wants me awake, so I'm just going to go with the flow. Like my body just wants to be awake by like eight, then you know what why not? Let's get right into it, though so this topic is.
Really interesting, because this kind of came to me last night, as I was falling asleep and I was like I need to talk about this on the podcast like this- is actually an important conversation that I think I need to,
I have not only for myself but for other creators and for
but actually people who have no interest in being on the internet and just our view of it, and they just like to watch it and look at it and they don't want to be a part of it
or verbal or aspiring Youtube errors in survivors, whatever anything actually could duffer musicians. If you go for act,
is it this could go for anybody who puts himself Albert and his kind of in the public eye in any way, shape or form. I think it's important operation to be add, and I don't feel like a lot of people talk about it,
I think it's kind of this thing that everybody has flowed.
The bag of their heads, but nobody asked
ever talks about it and I'm here to fuckin- lift the veil, everybody cause, I don't give a fuck and I'm over it and I feel, like I've, had a mental
which, like I filled my brain, a full one. Eighty on this topic- and so I want to talk about that journey.
And talk about what that is in the first place, cause I'm just kind of
alluding to it. If that's even the right word- and I am not talking about it-
so they were talking about the impending doom and fear of becoming quote unquote, Ursela and on the internet. This is such an interesting phenomenon, phenomena phenomenon wherever so, I think tat.
From the time that you start on the internet at all, in any capacity, your number one concern is like: how long is this going to last? Is this going to last forever? Probably not. How long can I keep
I'm going the thing about the internet is that it moves
a lot faster than any other kind of profession, maybe like, for example, Brad Pitt was in one was
like an on one movies, using a lot of movies, but using a lot of movies, but he doesn't ever
need to make a movie again and he's always like his impact was made right and he kind of
is going to be a celebrity and is going to be quote on quote relevant forever, just because he's Brad Pitt right
but on the internet, things move at a lot different speed in a lot different away. It's like one minute, everybody
be carrying in the next minute. It seems that people to stop carrying it's a very quick switch that turns off the internet mean at least that's the way that it feels or the way that it looks. Obviously, somebody like Brad Pitt is doing here. I mean it's not the most amazing comparison, but.
Still. I came out of my mouth. Basically, I think that everybody on the internet is so
scared of what they have going away there.
Scared of having all the attention go away. They want to keep the momentum forever,
for many reasons I mean number one, because for a lot of people they ve taken risks and now
suddenly. This is become how they make their money, and most of these people are very young and there, like fuck. I have to keep this shit doing because I
need to continue to make money and support myself, because this is
I draw? I left everything for this. It's fucking, terrifying, absolutely terrifying,
and you know you are like, if I'd slip up or if I start making
does that are as good or I you know, people decide
caring for whatever reason like I'm fucked you now, I need to keep the shake going
thing. Is I used to torture myself about this all the time? I would be leg God. What am I doing? Leg
I dont, do collapse with people really anymore. I don't do things that are super shocking. You know I'm just kind of leg, making videos that our food
For me, and if people like them than cool and if they don't then also cool, but I'm not doing all of the strategies that people do to stay quote unquote relevant and sometimes you know some of those clear like evidence of that like I have videos that don't do as well, because
something that, like I just thought, would be fun that isn't like a click biddable topic or even something that would be that interesting to most people a good example
be my last video by the time the easiest of any video but
My last I made was this video about playing a
is that, where nostalgic so too, in town club penguin- and I knew- and as uploading this, this video wouldn't do that well, but I had a lot of fun foaming it. So I didn't really care
and then, alas, I got all these comments being like not a law, but I got a few comments being like God,
video gotten Nov using embarrassed and am as other videos and ass lake. Is this really what people care about? How many views my videos get?
Because it doesn't really matter to me- and I
realize that it didn't matter to me that my last video didn't get as many views is normal, and I realize oh, my god, I may have outgrown the fear of
relevancy phase of my life because
year ago I would have seen that had been linked. Fuck
am I doing wrong now, like I enjoyed making that video so- and you know
a decent amount of people saw it still in hopefully
to enjoy it. So what's the harm in it, what's the Harmon,
you know something not doing as well or even be
coming irrelevant in the first place. What
really so bad about it. If that's the trajectory of how things go, there's nothing anybody can do about it. There's no reason to be scared about it,
like it's just. That might be the way that it goes, and I feel like I'm finally coming to terms with that,
the thing that upsets me is seeing so many people being,
scared of becoming irrelevant in right before it becomes a relevant, such a nasty nasty word. I fucking hate thou word and its used way too much in this.
Yes- and I think it's such a negative word
it's so degrading to the person that describing
and I really don't like the word, but I dont know what other word used. So let me try to fight
and another word who can look at work
there really sad actually the the source definitions,
synonyms, a synonym for relevant, include unimportant in unnecessary. That's so fucked up the fact that people use the word a realm
then about creator is on. The internet is bad.
Physically, calling them unimportant in unnecessary according to this sort of disorders, sources, including include of what the according to the disorders, which is not,
through. Every single person is on their own journey. You know all of this has a different. The journey is different. It looks different, I feel different. The experiences in it are different. Everybody has their own thing. So ever
has their own journey, so why are we so focused on my
Who becomes irrelevant in thinking that that's the end of their lives? I remember a long time ago when you know I would notice that some people would come
disappearing kind of stop doing the social
Do you think they would just kind of go and live? There are normal life? I believe tat. I had almost feel bad,
I was like, I hope, that their ok, like that's, probably,
tough on them and they have to like go from this one life to another, like that,
is properly so weird, but now gonna leg. Maybe it's not.
When you become a youtube or you become a social media person. You believe that, like once your dream,
true, which is like becoming
Youtube are becoming
as social media person of some sort where you think, like. Oh, my
Now that I have accomplished my dream like this needs to be,
rest of my life is because I finally got
was my dream like I can't let it go now like this? Is it
is what I've done. I need to make this work forever. No, you don't know you don't being on the
that is actually it's amazing. Don't get me wrong, but.
It is so fucking, tough mentally, which makes me kind of believe that
when the universe is like. You know what you're done your time is up. This is not working for you anymore.
It's fuckin sign from the universe that leg you ve made your mark and net
You can go, live a normal life now in a sense
in lot of people are. Why would you
one bad. Why would you want a leg? Live
normal I'd, maybe someday were again makes sense, honest
I sometimes miss living a very normal life. Sometimes I'm like I don't know, I was just wouldn't it
see you know, I mean, I know a lot of other people that think the same thing.
And then I remember you know. Obviously the connect
that I've made with all of you and how important that is to me, and hopefully the message I've been trying to spread since the day that I started this not the day that I started. This took me some time to figure out
my core message was but
I remember leg. Ok, my goals and stay one was to hopefully.
Inspire people to just be them true, be there too
selves and be unopposed.
I think about it and
not be so worried about the superficial. Shared interests have fun and leg b
per se and not take live too seriously, but also leg whatever. Like that's been my own,
things and stay one. I just hope that I
inspire some other people to do that and I've found you know. At least a handful of you have felt that for me
and that makes it worth it. You know I mean that makes a worthy, whether it
goes away to Morrow and the whole internet dies and shuts down, and I added you know, figure something else out or if you know I keep,
in this for a few more years, whatever the case may be.
I already am proud of
and I'm already happy with that inland
I am satisfied with that and I feel like I've done,
successfully- and now I'm like well, you know I care about
I enjoy doing something to keep going. But if you-
for some reason it stops working for
have reason or whatever. That's ok
feel like I did what I was supposed to do and I'm gonna
You know continue to try to do that, but if it stops working it stops working in. I-
life outside of all this. I have a life outside of the internet to go to
meet the internet to be happy if anything, the internet
causes me a lot of stress.
Anxiety as it does, for probably all of
you as well whether you are on the internet and Europe, somebody
He's out there or not
the internet, is of very tough place to be
on re now and it is in general, but especially right now, I'm not gonna be too upset when,
you know forty and, unlike you know what kind of download the internet- and I think it's time for me to
Two, how about ear? I think that I actually crave the day when you know the internet,
has nothing to do with my day to day life, and I can't shouted off. If I want
here really shouldn't off right now,
can do certain extent, but- and I can do whatever I fuckin want, but I dont want to I'm like this. Is
my passion is like what I do. I you know like all bear, so I can just turn everything off in delete the app leg,
I gotta stay on there.
What's going on. You know it's part of my job in a sense, so I you know have to be on it, but I do crave the day when I kind of get to turn that all off, or at least the option seems more, I kind of have that option.
Right, I don't think it's really gonna be so bad. I think that most creators are dreading that day their dreading the day when they have to turn their phone
and that they have to live in the real world and unlike no no
eyes, everybody listen, listen up.
It might be really nice,
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if being on, the internet comes with the fear of becoming quote on quote a relevant, which
don't like that word so, every time I use it just take it with a grain of salt cuz. I just don't have another word to use
Youtube or being on the internet comes at the fear of being,
relevant. Why not almost come to terms with that
and even try to see how amazing that could even be right. Why dread something
That might actually make sense
somewhere in your life, you know I've come to terms with the fact
tat being on the internet means that it might not last forever and I've come to the kind of come to terms with that and I've kind of realized.
That may not be so fucking bad and there's nothing. I can do to control except for go on it. You know internet pose videos that I think are fun people. I m awesome if they don't fuck with I'm cool
it's also fine I'll be okay, I don't need people to be interested in every single video. I upload like that's, not anybody's job or whatever. That's also an unrealistic expectation. You know. So who cares? It's not that fucking deep? I just have noticed this thing that goes on on the internet, where people in order to you know, try to stay on top everybody's fighting. To do the craziest thing the most extravagant
hang in there. I mean if you are passionate about doing extravagant and crazy things out see. Mr bees is a good example he's apsley fucking killing it he's a youtube or, but I think I truly believe that is
like. I dont think these is doing it for attention. He I think it's in a
he's doing it for attention. He, I think it's an art form for him doing these super creative super extravagant videos. You know my good morning to me. I guess I didn't
like to be awake at nine, a m, so my alarmed is fuckin, went off.
I think that he really is a passion for doing extravagant things, and I think that that's that
nation of lake him doing extreme click, bake or not? Click bait is not clear that he is actually doing things extremely clickable things
and also making the videos really entertaining and super well done, I mean like it's just an amazing formula: that's a perfect formula.
But I do think that that's his passion, I thing that comes from his heart. I dont think that he is doing that
like because you I mean if he is that's his fuckin, damn business and it's not of mine, I'm just guessing like I whatever, but then there are certain creators that
and I'm not even bashing these people either it's all their fuckin grind. You know I mean whatever you want to do. Whatever feels right to you, it's none of my fucking business
and I'm just kind of commenting on it. Just because you know I'm not gonna give any names for the sight of it, but you know like whatever, like.
Everybody's doing their thing, I'm not in my ear
to starboard helmet. You know whatever, but some people do things that
or maybe a little bit more crazy kind of because out of fear, I've noticed somebody borderline.
I can't make videos that I want, because I'm too scared
born gonna, wanna, watch it and I dont want to become Quantico irrelevant.
Instead of making things that they care about, and you know or
in some people- will make fig drama or they wall you know, create fake events of sorts in the you or they'll leg. You know like they'll, do things that are real, so that people will talk about them. The thing is, I don't want to be talked about for things like drama or like making a really extreme video. That is not something that I am truly passion about, like I don't want that
like that doesn't make me feel good. Do you know I mean that's what my channels about my channel from day, one, as has been me, hang out the camera fur like ten to twenty
its and then that's it. I don't want to start drama. I don't wanna be a part, a drama I want to be with her.
Fake drama, real drama, any of it fuck. All of that might have shown that in a SEC cuz I actually want to get into that
But I also want to make videos that I enjoy making in that means things that are kind of just simple,
that's what I like. I don't. I don't like to make things super complicated MA
internet presence is not was we some sort of extravagant thing? I don't that was never the plan. I didn't
choose any of this. I just happened to me. I did what
enjoy doing which was making these
little videos there were yellow light. Hearted in you know chill and
it wasn't. It's never been that deep and never will be that deep. I just like hanging out with you guys, fer. You know whether it's on the podcast or its alma
I don't care about it being some extravagant thing. I don't care about it getting on the training page, anyone it does
awesome but, like I don't fucking care like I don't care about, you know if it
fucking viral. I don't. I don't care that doesn't fucking matter to me. That's not why
started this, but it's really easy to get around
can that be like? Well, you know, if I'm, if these things are happening to me, then I'm failing-
Oh, that is not true. I am not failing if my video
make it on the fucking trending page. I dont care.
None of that matters to me anymore, and I I wish
but I could just sit down with all the Youtube errors in this space and be like listen, that's. This is now what
holding is about. Why did
start doing this. You know how does making videos make you feel now?
How do you know? How is your life
outside of all this: do you have a life outside of all this? I know
but there's a lot of you doers that do not in their hand
relies on the success of their channel, which I totally understand because I've been there, but I'm now over that I'm like no fuck. All of that, I'm not going to let this affect my emotions, I'm not going to let you know whether it's a good,
a bad thing. Let's say my video gets on the training page on Youtube, I'm not gonna! Let that effect,
mood any more than if it doesn't get on the training page. It does a fucking matter does not matter it does not matter. None of that fucking matters to me if one person or ten people or
Thousand people are ten thousand people whatever, whenever if they watch my video and they fell comforted in safe and felt like
we were having conversation went on one for even just ten minutes. I dont
air what scale at that I enjoyed making it. Hopefully somebody felt a feeling of comfort when they were watching it in. I don't fucking care about.
The rest, I don't care about the will superficial element of it. I don't care if it's on the training page, I don't care. If, if you know, I know you Jabez as this new thing,
the creator, studio creators, videos like the app that, like shit,
does your analytics and in when you upload a video I'll, look
my. Oh, my last video, it says less people are interested in this video.
It literally says that to me I don't fucking care. I do not care, I don't care if doing collapse with people makes me makes my videos perform better. I don't care if
Me doing a video about this topic or that topic makes it do, but I dont care I'm over it anyway. Sorry, those very passionate I dont
and I really wish that I could have a conversation with every single fucking Youtube or social media person in general. Billig, listen, the grass is always greener. You know,
and be yourself be true to yourself.
Honest with yourself make things that you care about in,
Rest will fall into place and happen as it will and you don't have to fucking worry about it. You don't
the worry about doing crazy shit. You don't have to worry about anything. It doesn't matter period if worse, kinda, worse
and you know all this went away from me. The internet died.
It all turned off time for amateur figure. Our life.
I have a lot of interest outside of this where I'm like. You know what I could make a career out of something else, whether it was opening a coffee shop or becoming a therapist, that's kind of like a dream. I was at or
whatever like life does in and when the internet ends. When my phone turns off my life doesn't end, I have fucking guenaud normal things that I think about care about. Think about.
Fact, climbing a my age. What girls think about it, this age, close boys and food relay at
okay, I would normal nineteen year old girl. I think about literally those three things. Probably and my cat's. That's like four. That's literally, all I think about, but in like oh and I mean obviously you know my friends and my family
but like that's what I think about. That's where my mind that I dont, like my brain, doesn't think about the internet, but I do Colonel one M segue way out of this into kind of a different area of this topic. Limit devil copy break, though.
So, I'm in a kind of dive deeper into the sight of like why.
Having your internet career, a kind of, and maybe is in such a bad thing and what I've come to realize. Recently. I have a lot of
really really severe anxiety about my privacy and
the thing is I never want to talk about this stuff? Ok, because I dont want
come off his ungrateful because I'm exactly the opposite, I'm so fucking grateful
for every single thing that ever happened to me and for everything
opportunity I've ever gotten in for the fact that I've been able to make
actions with all of you guys,
Whatever way that is, you know whether its by you watch my videos or listening to my podcast or watching my fucking take talks or
calling me on Instagram one way or another
I've been able to connect with so many people and I've been able to
Why do so? Many amazing things- and you know I went from
you know being so like scared of
how I was gonna find a job that you know, or we know make money.
From anything that I was passionate about, but that being my dream to like that dream
True and me, you know being able to like make my childhood dreams come true of being able to
you don't live in a house one day, that's always been a dream of mine, and that came true, unlike you know, being able to support myself financially after.
You know feeling guilt for years about relying on my parents financially, because I didn't have a job cuz. I was too young, but I always felt guilt about that, and I think that the greatest gift that this is giving me is having a weight of support myself.
That also comes with such an amazing community
It also allows me to do something that I enjoy doing anyway, would just make videos and make podcast and things like that and allow that to be how I make money like that. That's a dream: fucking come true and I.
Never wanted to take any attention away from that, because I really am so fucking grateful but
there is a lot of things that come with it that are really fuckin tough, as there are with anything in life and part of it that I'm struggling with right now is my privacy? It's it's crazy. When everybody, not everybody, fuckin, not everybody at all, but when you know there's a large group of people
That want to know about everything that you do right and I'm nineteen years old. Okay, so I do shit. I I day, people I break up with people. I have made mistakes. I've done things that maybe aren't like.
The things that have necessarily proud of as everybody is. You know I've done crazy shit. I've done dumb shit, I've done sort things. I've done stupid things. I've done like everything, I've, I'm a normal nineteen year old. Like I'm, not perfect, I've, you know made mistakes. I've like not, like
no things that are crazy, but like normal mistakes like when you're nineteen years old, I'm not going to get into it, but you can like imagine the things that you do when you're nineteen right, it's like it. This is like my college age so like I'm grown
I'm figuring all this shit, I how right and some things are fucking dumb- that I've done
like I'm learning every day, like I'm figuring this shit out, the thing is that
those scary about it is that we know- and I think the thing that I struggle with Most- is that, like
I don't really have a lot of room. I feel like sometimes to be like figuring out this whole growing up thing: it's not very private. For me, it's like I'm growing up in front of people right and so on figuring all this shit out in front of people and if I like, are given,
sample I'll give an example. This is not something that happened, but I'm just going. To give an example. Let's say one night, I went to a party and I was like fucking. I meant drink alcohol
even though not suppose you I'm under age, but let's say, did that what they are really fuckin. I got a little sloppy and
Somebody takes a video of me and they posted leg. I
I'm going to be heavily judge for that, whereas if I
was on the internet in any capacity, and I did the exact same thing I was in college, went to a party got drunk, even though I wasn't supposed to, and I got a little crazy. No one would really nobody would really know about it, but you know what I mean any kind of just be like nothing ever happened, because nobody would really be caring about it. So that's kind of an example of like why is tat
because it's like. I think that a lot of people might forget that, like people on the internet are human, don't get me wrong.
People on the internet have a responsibility that is much different and they have you know to be a lot smart
about the things that they do possibly because they are, you know
Like somebody ball, there's some people's role models and you know it I mean like so of course, as I was,
ability, but at the same time, everybody's human, so like
these things still happen, and I think that that's
I hold myself to this standard of being perfect Emma you cannot fuck up. You know I mean you cannot.
You can't kissed the wrong guy. You can't do this.
You can't do that. You can't you know, because
doing x, Y leg, the whole thing and
it does give me anxiety, cuz, I'm my god. I need to be perfect. I need to be perfect or also
no. Let everyone down you know, name
not only people on the internet that support me, but also people, my real life. I feel this constant need to be
the fucking perfect person. I am not, though, I'm not I'm a normal team girl for FUCK's sake. Do dumb thing some.
I've never that hurt anybody. I don't do dump things that her people and if I do it's a huge accident- and I will fuckin own up to that- should immediately
But, like you know, I do dumb normal shit that fuckin people do like everybody else, but I feel this killed about it. That haunts me for sure like. If I it's not like the things I'm doing are dumb there there
hopefully or the things that I've done in the past are probably normal, but because I'm you note, I do what I do like I feel guilty about them. I feel guilty about like doing normal, teen things I'll, give you a great example. Fuckin come out and tell you something right now I remember when I was in high school. I was at a concert, and I think I may have I think, I'm I think I may have kissed three guys in the same evening. I did I'm.
But that's something that, like I've, embarrassed of right, that's not against! That's not with my that doesn't align with my moral compass. Ok, like I, don't feel very good about that and like it for some reason,
like everybody found that Alec I would be embarrassed. I mean now fucking telling everyone
So it's different now, I'm in controls and care, and I was also a fifteen and look what are of enjoying myself. Let me live in is funny because I was fifteen, but I've literally looked like a newborn child, because I was, I went through purity it when I was sixteen, so I looked seven years old but like that summit
That I've done that, like that's an example of something dumb and I've done, I am normal, I'm a normal fucking team like I did shit like that. I continue to do shit, not shit like that, but, like I continue to like.
Do things that are like normal. Those things are normal.
Not for everybody. Not everybody is gonna. Do that right, but, like people do you like that? It's like a
their moral code, like that's against my moral code,
why did it? I was just like fuckin. I guess I think whatever but, like I feel like I can. I can there's less room for me to, like you know, do dumb shit like that now and leg if I do do dumb shit like that, that's like against my
well could I'm like? Not only am I afraid of like how I'm
I feel about it. Rightly
Not only am I afraid of like me
own opinion on something that I've done. I'm
so concerned about you know what, if more people find out about this and then I have an audience. That's judging me for the dumb shit,
that I've done dumb shit, meaning stuff, that's harmless, right
make using three guys in one night, when I'm fifteen
harm anyone, not in my,
best so my best moment, but
snow harming anyone, but I,
I am concerned about every action that I do even stuff that doesn't harm people, because, unlike I'm leg growing up in front of everybody- and that includes the good, the bad badly ugly and
That's kind of why I sometimes and like you know what
is all went away. I don't want it to
If it all went away that press,
there would be lifted. Here's the thing I'm trying to find a way for mice to lift that pressure from myself took em. It's ok to be a normal teen that fucking go to a party, it's okay, to be a kid in like learn in like experience like it's. Ok, like that's, ok, you know,
and that's normal in that's like not something that leg mostly will probably wouldn't even frown upon. It
Some people on the internet. Might somebody want my life, my actually nine, my life, but it's not. Never been I've, never I'm very transparent debate. Will my life's everybody knows about.
So, although I do every single day wake up and I breathe and everybody all my family friends know about it all like ten of em seven of MAX, but, like you know, there are some things that I get to keep private in light. Given I get too I'm learning in going through as growing up in I'm very excited, I'm very excited for the day when I'm late
thirty or maybe like twenty six, and I can just tell all the stories of all the dumb shit I'm doing right now.
I did when I was younger and it will be
funny stories that will be far enough in the past, where it will not be too fresh for me to tell the story, but for now
I am making the memories, I'm growin up and being a teen,
and it scares me by its normal and that's what it is-
and I need to stop being so hard on myself in being so fearful of like being a normal kid. So
I don't have any that shit just made sense, but we have questions. So let me go through find some questions. I ask questions about this topic. Am we're gonna get into it? So let me find some God. You guys asking the bass questions about this, so many good ones, let's get into it, questioned
my tailbone hurts cause I'm sitting on the ground out. Oh my god, oh god, what does it hurt so bad somebody said
How do you continue devalue yourself if you're being insulted on the internet? I know that social media can be brutally honest thing in some people have no filter. I think that for
It's like muscle memory now, like I've, learned how to just not care anymore and to talk to the people that are in my real life and get their opinions and talk through it with them and kind of just realized that, like I have people in real life, you know like. I have a really amazing support system.
I've really good friends right now and we small group of em, but I have a really solid group of friends and, like my
parents are does amazing in my family,
he's really amazing at supporting me took some time, but we are all on the same,
Age now I think
and so you know, I think just.
Listening to them and listening o n,
even I have a really amazing team that I'm really close with that. I that is as help me through this whole thing and they're, just like so amazing and, like I think, they're my father
guardian angel, so I literally like I have such an amazing supports a sum that I dont. Let me
things on the internet bug me in general but like if it does bug me like? I don't let above me for long, because I talk through with these people and they
reassure me like Emma. I know you, I know you're a good person. I know that you work hard, you care about what you do. It doesn't matter what people say, because they don't know you they do, but only as much as they can. They ve never met.
Do you know any means, so don't sweat it in their right there always right, and so, but now I've kind of new place from
you know, there's so many there, so many voices on the internet, I'm not gonna, let one or a few of them bug me
because there are so many people that don't have the same opinion as the Say Haider. You know I mean it's not like everybody is a hater. There are people that, like me, and that, like you,
don't feel the need to say things that are mean and unnecessary like there are. Many of those summit
focus on those focus on
people, my real life and you know check in with them
make sure that a mamma
track and then under move,
and I dont really let it bug me. It definitely doesn't affect how I value myself. I
base my value on the type of friend I am the type of person,
in real life and how I treat people on a day database,
That is how I value myself. If I'm being a good person in
treating other people with love and respect, and I'm doing my best to be the best person, I can be that's how I value myself now has nothing to do with anything on it. Any fucking screen that shit is
not even real? You know, I mean some real life, so why would I be judging myself off that? That's toxic moving on.
Why do you think people become irrelevant on Youtube after a period of time where everyone,
them, and now no one wanted them anymore. I don't know, I don't know, I think it can be multiple things. I think it can be number one. The date
they didn't necessarily evolve and they may be.
Stayed in sight of a box of doing
the same things over and over again, and people does got bored of it, even if that was so what they wanted to continue doing the or they well.
We ve, been saying this for x amount of years like we're over it. I think that that can be part of it. I think you know. Sometimes people just lose their their love for it, and it shows you know, I mean either
gone in and out of love with Youtube, and sometimes it shows in don't mean it happens, normal so
but some people it's like they grow out of it almost so I got em dislike not into this any more like it's, not my passion, anymore and but their light, but I feel strap. They feel they have to keep doing it, so the maid do. But then people are like. While we can see that you don't really care about this anymore and southern there like where
which some people have said that if I may there like, we don't feel you care about this anymore, which I understand, but that's not true. It's more like.
With me, I'm just growing up and so, like my enthusiasm, may seem a little different like I'm kind of relaxed a lot like I'm not as
watching videos and I think I'm so fucking annoying as loud and like super enthusiasts increase.
But this is not who I am anymore like I'm in a
now, like I fuckin, I don't have that energy that I had one ever started. That doesn't
I'm not passionate about you do when they love doing it just means that my demeanour,
be a little bit different cause? I'm a fucking completely different person than I was when I started you know next, do you hear that
someone may be using Eve reviews and to gain more relevance. Have you ever felt that yes, absolutely
That is why I have literally. Let me count I may be of five friends like MAX like manually, gonna, good tailing. I really.
Have a lot of friends. My circle really small and it's just because I dont want to be used, and I don't and I have been- and I just don't want that-
happen again, so I either keep my relationships. Super private or I have relations
So people that I know are in it for the right reasons, but this is something I fear with like you know. I fear this a lot when it comes to light there. So many things
like when you fuckin grow up, and you start a family right and you like get married. It's like
there's a added level of leg complicated this. If you will, when you are worried, you like godly,
people do use me like what, if somebody fully just uses me like even like marries me in uses me and like I like
their the weight of it becomes a lot scarier.
You know you start to make these big life decisions like whose
to be in your life for the rest of your life, ideally, like all of those things are fifty times scarier when you have that fear of being used and like
you know before I was on the internet. I would have been like who fuckin cares if you get use like I don't know like. I would not have sympathise with this statement, but now I'm like you Know- and I even think about other people-
Oh- and I see other people on the internet getting used in.
These shitty that's kind of why I've I've
cited that I prefer to just tonnage. Do all this on my own leg, I like doing my podcast by myself, and I like making my videos primarily by myself, sometimes
I really close friends, but mainly by myself, because, like there's no risk of being used.
I'm not I'm, then not using anyone. Nobody s to worry about me using them its clear that
not using anyone, because I'm not
asking them did do things with me for my
for this like I'm, I keep those relationships really off the internet, so that
nobody's, worried about anybody being used and it's all just genuine and then eventually, maybe you know, forces can be combined, but I'm then of over ledges. You know working with people that I dont even really know that well to Vienna, because its leg, it could potentially be beneficial for everybody involved, because that turns toxic quick. Let me tell
that so like I think it's better to just I just I can't being used is the worst feeling there's nothing worse and like it that actually effects
I value myself and myself seem really,
idly in. So I found that like avoiding that at all costs is best option for me. Somebody said: do you fear being forgotten? No, I don't any
I mean do I want to be forgotten. No, I would hope it. You know some people would remember me if one day I d,
I am out of the internet and I'm like now, I'm out of here, I'm not going to do this anymore. I would hope that at least a few people remember me and are like you know. I really got something out of her videos and I thought she was cool. I mean I'd, love that
but there's only I can do. I can control how I'm remembered or if I'm forgotten, I can do
we think about it. So I would
that I had a good impact on some of you, unlike whatever, but there's nothing I can do, is ending and due to control that so say why? Why spend
time worrying about something that you cannot control, but I do
best on a day to day basis and as I continued.
All this talk
yeah, no impact people in the best way possible, and you know. But what happens?
next happens. Next and there's nothing I can do somebody said: do you think there's a way to avoid becoming irrelevant? I don't know
I mean I think, yeah I've. U wanna! I think some people
cause, drama and stuff like that, because that is an immediate way too. You know it's an immediate waited kind of Guiche fired up again,
but do you really want to do that? You know, look at what cost
I fear drama with every bone in my body I hate it. It's my legalese favorite fucking thing on this planet, so I would rather just lead nature take its course in, like you know now,.
You know so, my soul to the Youtube Devil.
Did not become irrelevant. I'd rather like I, if it happens it happens, is literally nothing. I can do next. Somebody said to relevant people, pretending not no less relevant people on purpose
I think that does exist in this community and there's a lot of shit like that. I would what the fuck I mean. That's just disgusting and gross, I hope not I mean like I. I believe I know that that happens, but, like that's
the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life, like a fucking, cares. What does someone being relevant have to fucking do with anything? It's so not important. It's so not important. I just think it's so dumb God. It's such a toxic way of thinking and that's why
We need to talk about this episode because, like it's such a toxic mindset in so many people are are stuck in it and I can't even blame them because you know what it is
really hard to see through the matrix of the of the Youtube Community of the fuckin.
Luzhin of being on the internet, it's really hard to see through it, and so I get it. I can't even blame people, for you know thinking the way that they do it now.
Good in its toxic, but also like pretty are,
to snap out of it it's like being in the matrix, and once you realize that none,
this really matters in that leg. You know what
really. Matters is like with actually happening in the real world with your two feet on the ground. It's like being a red pill. You see through it, but not everybody takes the red pillow the view to read pill of the matrix,
these measures. I hope is a good metaphor, but
yeah, not everybody, sees it and so and sees through it. And can you blame them
most easier. Not too. I don't action
country. I think it's easier if you, if you see through it, but you see through than it's kind of dark and it's kind of upsetting in it- can become scary and am up, but whatever
somebody said: how do you feel about cancel culture? Do you think it's toxic or is it necessary? I think that this kind of
aids to what has talked about earlier. You know every
He is a human, we're all human here. Ok, I think that.
Sometimes things get taken a little bit too far with cancer culture.
And sometimes a line is crossed. I think that there
something to be said for holding people
Annabelle for their mistakes. I think that that is important, but I think that the way that the internet goes about it right now is really. It's
a little bit too. It can sometimes be a little bit harsh and a little bit not helpful
Rightly, I think that there is a balance. It is a case by case basis, I think, with
situations? It's like you know. Somebody gets confronted and
a dress at me like I'm. So sorry, I've learned in a moving forward and I hope that you guys move forward with me and it can be a positive thing. I think she'll be a really positive thing if everybody does the right thing right that
that leg. Somebody at you know realises that they ve made a mistake and they in nature
really change and they truly learn from it and everything you know kin.
Return back to normal and it be positive and that person had learned- and I think that can be really good thing, but I think that
no there's some things that are some people think you're unforgivable. An that's! Ok, because
whatever everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I think when it gets too crazy is when there is death threats or theirs. Intense bullying,
hatred, even after the person has tried to make amends, because I think that you know people can be angry right. People can be angry, the people can do with the fact they want period
but I think that with some scenarios, some people are like I fucked up, and I'm really sorry, but you know people continue to harass them about it. The thing is, I think that the way needs to go
that, like one somebody says, a listen, I'm sorry leg I
truly did not mean Ex wine z and I am different now. I think that
people usually deserve a chance. I think that sometimes there's things that are just like fuckin, I'm right. It is a case by case basis, but I think a lot of times people
I've learned in know and people have whatever and in it
those back to lake everybody makes mistakes
everybody makes mistakes. Okay, I dont think that people should be
cannibal for them, but I think that people should be given a chance to try and make it better and prove that they ve changed, and I think that
a lot of these people, wouldn't have learned the lessons that they ve learned or wouldn't learn the lessons that they have learned through these experiences without having
You know it be broadcast on the whole internet, but I also think that what people need to understand is that, like everybody's human and everybody fuck
that sometimes right in so you know it's this boy,
balance of holding people accountable and educating people,
But also be
open minded till egg this person
it is needed
to learn their lesson in they might learn it.
Probably will most people who you know get cancelled, learn a great deal from it and truly either.
More careful in won't, you know accidentally will be more sensitive and more thoughtful, two things moving forward if it was something that they did on accident or if it was something they did on purpose. It was a mistake.
They're going to change the whole way that they think about everything? I dont think that this stuff, like doesn't change these people's lives,
you know I mean even me, I've been out. You know. I've been confronted on things that I have done that and you know.
Been insensitive and I have learned from them and apologise in you know, and now I know and I'm and am grateful, I'm great
that I was held accountable and I'm definitely gonna think about things so much differently moving forward. I just think that it's a balance and I think that people most of the time,
are excited to change and become better people, and
doing what they love in whatever, and I think that a lot of people do deserve to be given the chance to prove that there are different
in that they have learned, I think that's important thing. Why not give everybody a chance most of the time, I'm
Obviously, there are certain things that are just kind of like you just now, but for the majority of things that I think are going on in the internet
think that you know everybody's learning in growing in front of an audience and things are going to go wrong its inevitable. So.
You know tease their own and you. You know, as as
viewer or whatever. As a fan, you know you can decide what you do next, whether you want to support them or not, and that's up to you, you know, by
there's nothing wrong with giving somebody another chance with giving somebody a chance to to learn and become a better person. I think that's a beautiful thing, although it is you know it can be quite overwhelming and crazy and scary when, instead of having your parents, be like hey you you messed up here, you did something wrong. You need to fix that. It's so you know the internet and they can be crazy. Next somebody said: do you have? Other careers are backups. You could fall back on if Youtube stop
for sure I mean I, you know, I'm really passionate about coffee and I love podcasting. Even if people still you don't want to listen to that. I love you and I soon
making Youtube videos I mean, even if like for some reason, the only way
think right now anyway, in this present moment, I'd stop making Youtube videos if the, if you tube, got banned from the United States, similar to tick tock, I heard takes us getting band
the only way that ain't right now I mean, obviously I'm not gonna pride, do you tube and when I'm eighty years old, maybe, but who knows, but
you know. I have a lot of other things that I'm interested in,
coffee being the main one, I'm in
passion about that. Like learning,
about that. Just you know. I have some exciting things coming chamberlain, coffee that are really exciting. So I tried it.
You know key my excitement and my passions,
not all my eggs in one basket. I lay down my eggs and many basket so that I'm excited about many different things and all that somebody said if you're you, two views are lower than usual. Do question your relevance. I don't to beyond some like you know what
Youtube is such a fast moving plays that if I decided like its knowledge, it catches
let's say one video doesn't do well your next video,
I do better than any other video either rub uploaded it. It's not like you know it.
All like so relative ended all like it fluctuate so much that, like you can't be
up on one video, you just keep moving forward and you keep making videos and you keep loving what you do and like bats
you know I mean you can't be hung up on one thing: it all fuckin paralyze use that you can't keep going it'll make you stop
His you'll just be too obsessed with every single little thing.
Last question and answer: do you think there's an equilibrium
point between being irrelevant in being really relevant. Yes, yes, for sure, I think that there is a point where
somebody may have had their had a big moment where they were kind of a huge topic of Congo and then things kind of settled down right where it's like just the people
really really love and care that about our creator are the ones that are watching not like everyone, because they are not like it's everyone, but like. I think that there is a balance like sometimes there's. You know you ve. A lot of craters had appoint we're like they might be like a big topic of Congo for
little bit? Maybe it's for a year, maybe it's for a few months and then things kind of settle down naturally, and people move on to someone else that they're like that is kind of the focus of the internet at the moment. I think that it's actually better to not be that person that everybody's, like that's kind of you know, maybe up and coming or whatever. I think it's almost better once things kind of settled down and you kind of just have your people who fuck with you and that you fuck with them and that it's his fun happy community and things are kind of settled down. I almost think that's better, and that is something that affects views, and that is something that maybe a fax likes or something, but I think it's healthier because it's not like you have all these people that don't even necessarily care about you washing you. It's like things, end up settling down and you just have the p
that really loving care about you watching you and the other people kind of got weeded out right, and I think that that's not about being a lotta people, fear that time I don't. I think that that's the most beautiful time of being on the internet, when you get to make whatever you want, have fun. You know
people are watching that care and the other people kind of disease.
Here and they don't care anymore and those with pride, you know the people that were
A kind of all settles down in its actually maybe something that's kind of healthy and there's a balance and somebody
I consider that to be irrelevant, but I think that's just you know finding your core people that fuck with you in like that you
I'm with whatever, unlike Maiden-
for them in them, watching it being fun, you know, I love that. I think that
an amazing time. I don't think that's being a relevant or whatever fuck,
word in general- and I don't mean anything to you-
I think it's actually probably the healthiest way to be on the internet is too in.
Of being this almost viral moment like being legs. You know
on the internet, comfortably with people they you know like what you make it
Whatever and it being this comfortable to happy thing, I think it's amazing and I don't think I think, even if it affects of use or effects of like syrup facts, you know
how many people are talking about you who gives a fuck, it's a lot healthier and it is probably a lot more positive. It is a lot more positive. So
any who that's enough
today, I'm out of here. I hope you guys
Lloyd, this episode, if a really get to talk about this, I think, is something it so important to talk about
and I hope that if you are a creator in
listening to this- that maybe this
these and peace of mind so that you can sleep at night for once. I know that for us we are
sleep in so I know it do you know anything on the internet now crazy and it's it's crazy
I am in its in
but he's learning in everybody's growing in its like it's almost like a great awakening, ivy league everybody's leg. It's weird it's weird and it's crazy, but I think that
You know, there's a lot of learning in the lot of growing that everybody is doing, and I think that all
It's scary? I think it is important, and I think that, in order for the internet to be fun and light, hearted
Again, one day you know times like this need to happen in so.
That's that I love
Also much. Thank you guys for listening to me every week. Thank you to the ones that watch my videos and that just support me in general. I appreciate you more than you know, and you guys
fuckin awesome and your savage is in a good way, like you know, like Megan Stallion, saying Savage Emma stop, I need to get out of here. I also have to put up a little bit
So anyway, that is why I was actually an answer moroseness, but I actually have to poops I'm out of here
I love you also much have the best day have the best weak put your phone,
for a little bit today. Maybe it's for two hours, maybe it's for the rest. The day put your damn phone down log off live in the real world for a minute,
It will help with your anxiety. I promise I'm going do the same piece out. Yo.