In the 1970s and '80s, a top-secret research program supposedly took place on the northernmost tip of Long Island. With reports of kidnappings, weather control, time travel and more, it may just be the Holy Grail of government conspiracy theories…
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We are talking about the maintop project, a top secret government research programme that allegedly took
place in long island during the seventies and eighties
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Montana is located on the eastern most Tipp of Long Island, a few hours outside of New York City.
It's a small serving in fishing village at the end of the peninsula, so it's about as secluded as a beach town gets, but it's also
to some of the wildest conspiracy theories on earth. By far the most faint
This is the man talk project which begins with one man, Preston Nicholls
most of what you are about to here is documented impressions book the Monti Project and be
on his writing Preston. A little scatterbrain he's one of those
well, who always needs to be learning creating were investigating something new like here.
Ex radio equipment and conducts experiments in a homemade research laboratory in his back yard, and he says he has a degree in electrical engineering with a focus on electromagnetic phenomena.
In the early seventies Preston working as an electrical engineer for defence contractor in Melville Long Island visitor
a two hour drive from on talk, but he's all
running a special side project according to
Preston around nineteen, seventy one he receives a grant to study mental telepathy end.
This sounds a little strange. I mean also pressing, never specifies who gave him the grant, but ultimately he concludes that mental telepathy is one hundred percent possible.
Not only that he discovers that telepathic waves
remarkably similar to radio waves. It's a bit unclear
what he means by telepathic waves, but either way Preston entreat in
to continue his research. He solicit a number of self proclaimed psychics to act as test subjects.
He doesn't go into detail about just what these tests are. Just that he's mine
treating the psychics responses? Basically,
thing seems to be going fine for about three years until
one day he notices and alarming powder every day
at precisely the same time. The psychics mines will just stall like
they're still conscious and coherent, with a shrug of focus
and lose all psychic functions.
Person doesn't know what's happening, but he feared
eyes is that a strong electro magnetic signal could be causing some sort of interference.
And using his radio equipment. He discovers that a huge radio frequency wave appears at the exact same time the psychics report, their malfunctions, this
can it disappears the psychic sir.
An action. So he
proved a signal is causing the interference. But, of course that's not enough. Now
Preston needs to find the source
some time in early nineteen, seventy four, he builds this contraption out of a tv antenna. Employees is it on his car, then.
He drives down the coast of Long Island, letting the strength of the signal guide him visible
things, him all the way to the eastern, most Tipp of Long Island and mine talk, but not just
anywhere in Montauk, apparently press.
A at the mall Talk AIR Force Station and
ok, listen like so far, Preston story is a little hard to follow much less believe, but the Montague,
four station is in fact a real place. It was
by the United States military thirty, two years earlier in nineteen, forty two with the purpose of defending
Hence the German, you boats during World war, two
its facilities, are meant to deceive architects.
Nine roofs that looked like traditional New England cottages. So enemy ships would mistake the base for just another seaside fishing village. They even disguise the gymnasium as a church. Reportedly by adding a fake steeple, then
in the early sixties. Fourteen years before Preston shows up military
Engineers constructed in eighty five foot radar tower with this massive antenna
It was one of only too well of its kind built during the cold war, and its purpose was to detect soviet aircraft
for years. It remains one of the most powerful radar towers in the world and
still in use in nineteen. Seventy four, when pressed in homer tracking device, leads him right to it. According to plan,
then he sees this giant antenna towering over the tree line, and he knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the source of the internet.
Bring signal now
He just needs to learn what type of projects there running and why, as expected,
the AIR Force Station has taught
of the lion. Security gates, cameras patrol officers, but Preston isn't exactly a shy person. So he walks right up to some guard and just asks he's
how are you any idea? What that enormous radar tower is being used for- and you know
surprisingly, the guards are not a friendly. They mention something about a project being run by the Federal Aviation Administration before kind of like just chewing him away
I mean she were the Federal Aviation Administration, a real government institution, but therein
part of all civil aviation, meaning like commercial and private flights. Why would they be running
programme on a military base. In any case,
Austin. Does it want to cause a sea? He returned home and
basically assumes he'll, never have a complete answer. A full ten
years go by before he seriously thinks about it again and then
in nineteen. Eighty four Preston receives word that the base has been abandoned. One of his
And is like well if no
he's is there now probably wouldn't be difficult to break in right. So that's it
exactly what Preston does. I'm not sure,
how he manages to break in, but it works and the police is a disaster.
Windows and or wide open papers are strewn everywhere and the facilities are littered with metal scraps. It's like the air force or
ever was here last left in a huge rush, so Preston
wanders around and eventually he finds himself inside. A building containing a bunch of high voltage machines,
the technology is far more advanced than anything he's ever seen before. So he doesn't know what most of it is four, but he does
I recognized him high tech, radio equipment as a collector
this excites him but precedence.
Trying to steal so
stead. He goes home and contacts the Surplus Disposal Agency, which is the people in charge of keeping the records of like all government equipment, since
expensive equipment is seemingly going to waste. Preston wants to know if he can, by some
and eventually his persistence pays off a represent
They did discreetly gives him the contact information for a man, forty miles away in Bayonne, New Jersey, the agent bay.
Sickly just says: he'll know what to do.
Now. Preston never mentions the man's real name, but they need
at a secret location and the man simply hands Preston, a piece of paper and again
still doesn't tell us what this piece of paper says, just that it's pretty unofficial,
like it's not brand.
Or sign, and it doesn't mentioned the name of a company, a military branch or director like nothing, but the guy
like listen. If you show this to the grounds keeper at the base, he won't give you a problem and you can just take whatever you want, which, like
please just kind of really weird and risky sounding
dressed in really wants the equipment, so he is willing to give it a shot he takes a friend of
named Brian, who also happens to be one of the psychics from his study
They arrive at the Montague station and instead of breaking in, they find a grounds keeper and hand him this slip of paper,
somehow miraculously it works, the caretaker takes
look at the paper and tells them to take whatever they want, but he says it's their only
ants, because if he sees them again, he'll take them out Preston,
and Brian agree, and
the most of their time they split up, but when they meet
again Brian mentions that he's on edge leg, something about this?
he's is giving him weird vibrations, so pressing
ass Brian if he can do a psychic reading right there on the spot to see what he can pick up and bright.
Agrees, but when he tapped
and his psychic frequencies, the results are startling. Brian start
spewing would sounds like complete nonsense, but a couple of things stand out. First, he claims Preston
used to work as a technician on the base, but that he deserves
and his team after an experiment went wrong and men.
Ryan hones in on two words in particular, mind control,
coming up. Preston learns the truth about his role in the maintop project,
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Preston, Imbrians trip to the Mountain AIR Force station changes everything according depressed in it's like
tripped over some metaphysical wire and triggered a cascade of fact. Complete
strangers just start approaching him
with bizarre new details about the past and
one of them shows up at his home unannounced talking about how they use
work for Preston at the AIR Force base which
far as he knows is impossible. It would mean that at some point over the last thirteen years, while he was working as an engineer and conducting his telepathy research, he was somehow simultaneously living another life, one that he had no memories up like this
just does not add up. So what
Preston decide to do. He goes
camping trip in
One thousand eight hundred and eighty four Preston take some time off and pitches a tent on the beaches of Montauk, with the intention of mingling with the locals. It's basically like
small scale reconnaissance mission, apparently
for about a week, Preston just walks up to people in Montana Light, so
you ever notice. Anything strange he does is on
street on the beaches in bars, and it must work because people
how him a lot of strange stories most
are related to nature. Apparently
It once snowed in August, thunder, lightning and hailstorms occasionally appeared over town without warning on days that meteorologists predicted clear skies herds of
wild animals, had been known to stampede through town, causing extensive damage person
no idea what to make of this at the time and he still
Wrapped his mind around it a few months later, when another stranger arrives,
in November nineteen, eighty four, a guy named Duncan Camera, knocks on Preston, laboratory door, he's heard about price
since interest in radios and his hoping pressing can help pick. Some audio equipment Preston agree
and over the course of working together, the two become fast friends and
it turns out Duncan is quite be adept psychic now it's unclear,
can knew about his psychic abilities before or if he discovers them like. Since working with Preston, so either present really good at teaching, people to tap into paranormal frequencies or long island is filled with psychics
Their way. One day out of the blue Preston gets this hunch. He turned
two Duncan and is like one
Do you say we take a field trip today? I want
See if you recognise some place at this point
you probably know where they're going the mind HAWK Air Force Station, but in
of trying to woo grounds keeper. They just break Ed Press
anticipates may be showing Duncan around possibly doing a psychic reading of the area, but instead the tables completely turn
It's like a switch turned on and Duncans mind. He starts act
like precedence, tour, guide spouting facts about this.
Building and that building even shows
questioned the bulletin board, where staff members use to post informational flyers to be married,
We're Duncan has no idea how he knows any of this stuff. He just does
and eventually he leads Preston into oppressed and later describes as the tree.
MR room me
quietly Duncan enters the deep trance
like Preston has to physically, she came into his right mind before they can leave me
is to say the trip terrifies both men, but not enough to stop digging
and as if the story is an already hard enough to believe it's about to get even trick here, because apparently Preston uses
techniques, learn from his psychic research to uncover Duncans repressed. Memories
immediately. It's like a flood gate has been opened Duncan
is inundated with memories about his own connection, to the Mountain AIR Force Station, apparently
Duncan remembers being a test subject for some sort of horrifying
experiment held in the facilities deep below the Montauk AIR Force Base, which, in its
Love is a shock, but Preston
early registers, the details, because Ben Dunkin blurted out that he's been programmed to befriend Preston,
in order to murder him and blow up his laboratory and listen.
Get it. I know this is all hard to accept, but stay with me, people
their reasons for believing this stuff, supposedly
Duncan insists he had no conscious knowledge of the assassination plot. Until now, he assures press
and that he has no allegiance to whatever shadowy force sent him,
still believes him and together they decide to go public about these illicit experiments, the details of which are still pretty vague, but they're doing this
because that way, if Preston ends up in a ditch, maybe at least
You eyebrows will be raised, suppose it
We in July nineteen, eighty six, he delivers a lecture at a conference held
the United States, Cyclotron Ex association or the. U S, P, a precedent
how's the audience about the illicit experiments he believed were conducted at the AIR Force Base in Montauk NEWS of precedence, accusation quick.
Spreads and strangers start reaching out to him with new information. Include
a United States Senator who tells Preston he wants
to remain anonymous. The senator cod
aims that the Montague Airforce station was decommissioned in nineteen sixty nine after night
in seventy, no paper trail exists that can tie the
less government to mine talk no record of
rural funding, no oversight, committees, nothing and depressed in
This means that the maintop project probably begin
right around the time. The paper trail stopped
Unfortunately, there is not a lot he can do with this information. It's not until four.
Four years later that an accident makes all the pieces fall into place
one day and nineteen ninety Preston soldering an antenna on his laboratory roof
he grab some wires to connect them and the antenna takes into high gear or something and there's this electrical shock that triggers a flood.
Memories for them,
first time. Preston is convinced that he was a scientist who
on the Monti project for a full decade, from nineteen
Seventy three to eighty three to be exact,
listen. I know that this is sounding harder and harder to believe that the main issue is really the timeline right.
In nineteen. Seventy three Preston was still an electrical engineering studying mental telepathy in his spare time. For him to have
work on the maintop project he would have had to live in two different planes.
Distance at the same time. How well suppose
Lee Preston remembers a crucial detail that makes all of this possible. He says, tie
travel, is real accord.
Depressed in the. U S: government discovered at some time in the forties, while working on a program called project rainbow which he's
as is around the same time. The government learned how to manipulate whether the rule program called Project Phoenix.
Supposedly Congress disbanded, both studies, but they didn't end Preston claims both pro
grams were taken over a nineteen. Sixty nine by a company called Brookhaven National Laboratory. The government there
decommissioned Maintop Base and Brookhaven moved it
combining the weather and time travel programmes into what we know today. As the Monti project
now that they have access to one of the most powerful radar towers on earth. They saw
spear amounting in things like Ellie,
communication and, most importantly, mind Control Preston. Also Rick
Halls, joining them on TAT project in nineteen. Seventy three. He never specifies what his role was, but he
clear about two things. First, many
the experiments that happened on the base cross some serious ethical lines and second
He was primarily involved in the mind, control activities apparel
we their experiments went so far as to target random unsuspecting people in Connecticut and update New York, but there
Primary test subject was Preston friend Duncan Cameron, a core
Depressed in researchers would strap Duncan into a chair in a room, deep underground. Underneath the radar tower around
the perimeter of the room were: countless receivers, transmitters, wires and machinery all used to alter Duncans brainwaves
the combination of expert machinery and Duncans psychic powers, everything done
in visualized would materialise in real life like if he
concentrate on the idea of a teacup. Eventually one would appear out of thin air. Would it only remained present for as long as the machines were running, which brings
to another memory, one that explains why Duncan had been sent to kill, pressed it. Apparently, by August
nineteen. Eighty three points
Stan and a renegade team of researchers, wanted to put an end to the maintop project. Preston never specifies what triggered
these misgivings. I guess he just as a change of heart.
Whatever the case is he his colleagues an Duncan all formed a plant one
when Duncan is strapped into the chair. He whispers the time
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back to the story, well strapped into an experimental mind, machine Duncan visualizes, a monster and just like that. It materializes inside the Montauk Airforce station, according to plan
stand, a monster is Harry
could have been his tall as thirty feet and it began.
Tearing through the base destroying everything in its path now present
and his colleagues only wanted to teach their company a lesson.
Apparently when they go to turn off the main machine, the monster doesn't disappear like it should. Luckily,
Preston saves the day he began.
Hacking through every wire. He can find to put an end to the madness and eventually
it works. The monster disappears in the Wake
the attack leaders of the Monti Project Hunt down surviving personnel the either
Wipe their memories clean or brain, wash them indistinct, silent impressions Kay
I guess they raise his memories and send him back in time
to live a completely all
for in it reality where he works. As an electrical engineer,
actually, no, his Preston,
never fully explain, and if you
hang his story sounds like the lies and attention seeking mad man with a hyper active imagination. You're not alone.
In publishes his book. The Monti project experiments in time in that
T. Ninety two, which is
His story comes to light the book
considered fiction by essentially every expert on the planet?
But here's where things get Turkey, not
everyone dismisses it.
For some, it brings back very real memories.
Six years later, a man named Stuarts word low releases, another book on them on top project accord.
Miss Stewart he'd were pressed his own memories of time spent at the Monti project until recently, now
He remembers being a teenager living in long island in
early nineteenth seventies. So
presently he fell asleep in bed one night and when he woke up, he was strapped to a table near
locked in a windlass bunker, underneath the Mont HAWK Airforce Station, where the hallways echo, with the screams of other young boys, who also being kidnapped
according to Stuart. They were abducted for two reasons. First,
to be a soldier, and brainwashed army of children invariably loyal to the. U S, government and second
used as human battery packs to power the Monti projects, illicit experiments,
Obviously like that
it's hard to believe as it gets. But Stewart
the only witness to step forward
years later, a man with the Alias James Bruce said he too had been kidnapped by the maintop project.
I ain't is allegedly force fed him hallucinogenic drugs in a room referred to as the acid house,
many. Others have come forward as well, including
employees that currently works for the state Park, where
abandoned Montage Airforce station sits, of course,
these testimonies don't mean that any of this stuff actually happened, but
If, while listening to today's episode, you thought to yourself this all sounds a little familiar, it might be
because questions would be assassin Duncan Cameron also played a key role in the Philadelphia experiment, a really far fetched
conspiracy that we ve covered before
as far as anyone knows, Duncans a completely fictional character in both stories, but what
really might be triggering your own repressed. Memories is that the maintop project
actually inspired the creators of a little Netflix series called stranger things seriously early.
Wrath of the show will reportedly titled Montauk
the writers eventually changed. The setting moving into the fictional town of Hawkins, Indiana and many more liberties were taken, but I mean come on illicit
from an experiments, multiple plains of reality, psychic powers, monsters and kids getting abducted as power sources. It's not
define the overlap. In fact,
Cons national laboratory in stranger. Things may
be loosely model after Brookhaven National Laboratory, the company precedents,
took charge of the Monti project in nineteen. Sixty nine
and if anything is true about pressed into account its Brookhaven much like the fictional Hawkins Labs Brook here.
Is run by the United States Department of Energy, and it is very real. Brookhaven was asleep
published in nineteen. Forty seven and its headquarters are located in Upton Long Island only about
hour and a half drive from Montauk
According to the long island press scientists at Brookhaven have built a too
wait for mile long machine called around
two mystic heavy ion collider, which basic
smashes particles together at almost this
of light. Apparently,
it's meant to study the origins of our universe and the physical makeup of atoms, Stephen
hawking once referred to this type of technology as a time machine and
for it was turned on in two thousand, the laboratories director was afraid that it might potentially open a black hole. He,
so I thought it had the potential to send our planet into another dimension or even create a doomsday particle that could destroy
every living thing on earth.
A time. Travel research programme doesn't seem so far fetched now. Does it
In long island. You can see the Montauk Airforce Station for yourself. The old ray
Our tower still looms above the tree line, but don't expect to take a tour
facilities are boarded up behind gates and signs that red do not enter closed to the public and
Charity will arrest trespassers,
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