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#199: Patrick Dempsey, Meditation: The Secret to His Success

Patrick Dempsey is not just a pretty face. Sure he's widely known for playing McDreamy, aka Dr. Derek Shepherd, on ABC’s Grey's Anatomy, but that hardly scratches the surface. A meditator since the 1980's, he's used the practice to find the right state of mind for both his acting and professional race car driving. He's even traveled to India to further his practice. His mental training proved valuable during his mother’s battle with ovarian cancer, and he has since been inspired to start the Dempsey Center, which "makes life better for people managing the impact of cancer." In this enlightening conversation, he explains how mindfulness is a driving force in every aspect of his life. Plug Zone The Dempsey Center: https://www.dempseycenter.org/ The Dempsey Challenge: https://www.dempseycenter.org/dempsey-challenge/ ***VOICEMAILS*** Have a question for Dan? Leave us a voicemail: 646-883-8326
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For maybe see ten percent happier vodka. Then we ve got fun, one for you. This week, but serious but of everyone, my on the show he is Patrick Dempsey. The actor who played Mc Dreamy, hit, We see primetime show graze anatomy for many many years. I first encountered him back I can, when he was in movies, like can't buy me love and an lover boy for those of you here a tad younger. You might have first encountered him when he was in the sweet home Alabama back in two thousand: do anyways big actor and he's been meditating for awhile, days used it in two pretty interesting contexts such as acting out o racing juggling and also in a very deep and painful personal stuff, including his mother's struggles with cancer
she had ovarian cancer and she she survived for quite a while, but ultimately passed away a few years ago, and in recent years at posed grace anatomy. Patrick's life has shifted in interesting ways and a lot of his attention now is on a place called the dense. He centre, which is a free care center. just cancer patients and their families, they ve got two outposts up in Maine and he developed this as a consequence of his mother's struggle, so he's Linden pretty hard on that. A in this episode. We talk about experiences at the Dempsey Centre which, by the way, does provide meditation fur of patients and their families. We also talk about how he's used in his life to deal with brave issues, including the aforementioned acting racing and juggling, and not for nothing, also just dealing with in the public eye. I know. I know your fame is a pretty high class problem, but nonetheless it does does come with some interesting happen, patients, so we get into that he's coming up
I just want to say one quick thing before dive in which is that next week, with a very special episode next week is our episode. For two hundred, that's a big landmark for us, a milestone, and we brought in a special guest share in Salzburg. The legendary meditation teacher nobody's been on the show is many times as Sharon and there's a reason for that, because she is too fond of wisdom and Specifically this time I want to have around because she recently went through very recently went through a really serious health crisis. We talked here on the show when it happened and she agreed white bravely. I thought to really talk what's it like in the mind when you're a meditation master, looking at a potentially lethal health crisis, and so that as and I urge you did download it and listen, and meantime, though we got Patrick Dempsey. So here we are, oh with Mister MC dreamy great to meet you
Thank you for having me on the shelf alone. No englander! Yes, I am watching. You are movies in movies in the eighties. I think he, I think my my first, I thought my first can help us was probably in eighty five. Eighty six, my first big job, and there are the camera, but what else? What else for you? In fact I got my break. It was torn I'm trilogy. I came to New York. I think eighty three auditioned on Broadway Helen Haze Theater was seventeen and I got the part went to San Francisco but hard fighting? Give me my first big job. That's my first break for me. What that later, but let me start where we always start, which is how did you get interested meditation? Oh it's a really early on hush probably around the late eighty started getting into meditation mindfulness had helped with
taxation before you know you would go acting class. Is things like that to get in tune with your body commie mind? and then that's what? Where lead you on your life's turn him? Why we're here? You know where I think we're here to improve it, the lessons that we have in this life in this incarnation say much more of a Buddhist than I would be anything else. My flock! That's a fly, to be sought a religion and dumb it accelerated through the racing. My car racing mindfulness is very important there and meditation visualization key but went to India studied in India really one turn off there for a while in them, and continue in China, improve my meditation where Did you say that would tell me what it was a guru Maya their shoe. You know those cheetah hugging they no longer anyways well outside bombay- and ass. So that must have been over twenty thirty years ago. Now.
and now it's more. Remember too brief. If I can remember debris, that's at half the battle do about how you have a consistent. I don't wanna people who cannot do it once in a while, and then there are people we're like me, or a little kind of militant about doing it every day. Where you on that spectrum, would you something every day I dont sit down and the same spot and do it that way more azure. Moving long try to be mine, Of where you are in the present moment, and if you get off track, then you go back to your breath in the breath. Is what censorship keeps you focused and in the moment, how it useful for you as an actor back in the eighties. When you, if I recall you said you started in the Ladys, I to calm the mind, I think you know the fear of the anxiety when you go into an audition or anytime you're. A live audience is to really remember to be present. It's when you start thinking about the past or the future. That's when you start to get uneasy. That's what started
I looked here, I am deep, be page as I was taking elevated out here. It's so it looks like you have a few. You are still acting have few projects given up. Oh yeah, it's a finished the documentary about early Heyward witches out now and I tunes art, of raising the rate which has lot about mindfulness in reincarnation, based in the book by Garth. That's coming out August, Six, I believe. That's a documentary, that's a film! Ah, my love The art of racing in the rain based on the book by Gorse, took ten years to get done. That's finally, coming out, producer devils, which is, as ten part series that I did in Room Lasher, that we will probably come out two thousand twenty. and then, of course, the centre work. Three children visits at what the reason I asked what the acting as is, do still get nervous, as is still usefully per month. Michaelmas now nerves never go away. I nothing. They ever know no, you learn how to manage and you learn how to
Bree breathing is the key, and really I mean that's me, patient, anyways, really focusing on your breath and watching my thoughts come and go, and is that something I wanna go down that road or just watch that go by I've? No, skills an actor. But I took a acting class in high school and I was experiencing a lot of nerves and I remember the teacher she said to me can actually use that nervousness to your advantage. S view channel the energy right. That's, ok! I noticed it especially when I was racing. you know a lot of visibility. Lot, lotta people watching you she's very high, and if I could visualization before I got in the car and and com my breath, I could get that energy focus How does the visualization work in that context? Drivers So when you getting in the credit insurance racing usually share the car with through for drivers, depending on where it what's yours erasing in and
there's always so much going on the noise. The sounds people cameras and you can make a mistake for not concentrating on that task and in the driver. Change is critical. reaching one drivers getting out of a car and other drivers getting in the north and usually parents race up to twenty four hours, six hours between six, and twenty four hours and your changing drivers and previously, but do you sleep at any point in that, and now even won T like a woman, a meditative state where you're you're awake, but yet you relax enough for you. Recovery. Why would you want to do this because his mindful It's the challenges about how where you can go into your own fears. How far you can push yourself. And my dream and life really was to be an olympic Skeer Annette One is to be an actor happened accidentally, and sports cycling ski racing for racing. Those are my. I want to say more about this, so it's you're you're
her in this state of both high arousal and I would imagine bodily fatigue the sand, the stakes incredibly high earners, truly life and death? Yes, and at a minimum public embarrassment? Yes, and this is, you feel mentally healthy. I believe you, you feel the most alive, because that with the way you should be living right, where you are completely committed to that moment of urine. You don't think about the past for the present in the now. Ah, and everything is happening right then, and there you on every cell in your body, is awake and focus situation, awareness is keen. Ah, it's the place to be no question about. Think that's why people live. this type of sports yeah that sit a religious experience it is, it is
It's the way we should live life. To be honest, we we could be that present in everything we do. We be much better society. I think I've heard tightrope walkers talk about the same thing right anything we're takes focus its listening, active listening, simply acting centre. What's it what's the person doing across from what's that moment about and tell me what the movie about the art of driving, so art of raising the reins official stories tool from the point of view of a dog. In the dog is in Blue believes that it is. This incarnation. It's come to this world. as a dog, and it will learn and will come back as a human being and through his masters owner. he's learning what it means to be a man and to over come life's challenges and not giving up on drain and you're the owner? Ah, no, I'm not I'm just a producer mile.
and merely sister and Kevin customers. The voice of the dog, ah into very well known book by car state of the art of racing in there and you said before that it has a big mindfulness component, thanks a lot about. You know, reincarnation, meditation, mindfulness engines, and it was a race cordial he always ass light ass. A lot ensued. The documentary center, I think, is one the best documentaries and not only by motives for purchase life in general. He talks about the transcendent moments in sport, where you lose yourself in you. You become fully mercenary moment and his big was was the Monica grown pray for him is it so challenging mental and physical and emotionally icily really powerful about losing yourself? I mean even and it's such a theme in art and sport of just having this random memory right now, if you watch came a throne, yes
portly young man who kills a White Walker early on, and he talks about killing the White Walker, and in that moment there was no him. Maybe you just sit as such a potent theme that comes up again and again, and it is, as you said before, you said it's the place to be That is, I think, what many of us are looking for, that feeling of being quite literally blown away, we're not there anymore. I think so, I think, there's so much stimulate going on that takes you out of the moment. Once ass, your phones, radio gag. You know you need to get rid of it. Instagram hosting you know every way the world is set up right now, it's taking out of the moment in putting you on the emphasis on something else, and I think that's the challenge right now. How do you engage? How do you stay calm, and had he been loving right, that's if you can come from that place. Life is much easier, New York, the biggest
because everybody's battling for their space, overwhelmed says it's a competitive environment to begin with, and if you can work through that, you know things, were a lot easier. But what about in your life I mean you're as we discuss before him on. Did you you're not doing an interview for entertainment tonight here, but at so? I don't reckon that particular interest in the mask. Lots of questions about the DMZ might ask, but a bit in as a celebrity, I'm just curious about the in curiosity of that like. What's you you just talked about How easy it is to be pulled out of the moment I just have to, Imagine if, for decades you ve been living in the centre of a hurricane in terms of public attention competition. For raw right. Who was what about you in the press at any given moment. How do you not lose yourself in a bad way in that context? Well, that's it. I mean that's that
How much I mean sundays you're, better than other days where you can stay on top of it. You can get perspective. and then some days you get caught up in it and you have to work harder coming out of it. That's why? If you, if you are consistent with your practices and, however, you go, doing that is much easier to bounce back. You know, that's that's the biggest challenge, because you have to learn how to be private in the public arena. And be okay with that? In for me, the racing there was always fans from the show that I would that would come to the races, and I made it a point as soon as I left the trailer to get to the car to get to the track. I would make I had contact with everybody who came up to me. So if someone wanted a picture someone's I would say hello and engage with them because it force me that was the ritual getting to the court to be in the moment, so any and I would ignore somebody I would that would stay with me and I felt that. because I know that's on how I want to be traded right, so
that would help me become in the moment in also get me prepare for these psychological aspect of the race and also the situation awareness how in tuna, my around people in the same can be said, I think when you from the camp, you have to be aware that the cameras over here you have to be aware of what the size of the frame is, how to play it and then The actor rostrum from you is doing, but also what's going on in the room. What's the energy in the rough and allowing that too few of you and if you're in tune most of the time the universe is giving you what you need if your attitude its? what you don't need, but what you need to confront and overcome and fun inspiration you knowing either books Pinterest quotes things at her things had just help. You cannot ground. as restrict by what you said about. I'm not a celebrity, but I certainly had walked through the day with people asking for my attention, even if it's a small as
This isn't necessarily small, but actually it s a poignant and pointed example in city where I live, my walk to work. I pass lot homeless. People editor easy to them, then that feels bad just like it would feel bad for you to ignore somebody want who wants a selfie on your way from your trailer to the car to me. that is the both down to earth understanding of karma I don't know that if I say something needs you right now, I will be reborn as Gila monster. Whereof karma works like that. I think is much more media. That's right! It feels bad to be a jerk, yes and, and it stays with you in a way that can mess up your performance. Absolutely it takes a moment, and then Europe perpetuating that vibration from out into the world any time I've been, you know you, you act and appropriate You said the wrong thing. You ve lost your temper,
if you at the end of the day, who suffers the other person's upset her for a moment Then there are thinking about you and how bad you, but it's you When you create those acts, we do so is not a positive act. It always come back. It comes back immediately in you that's the hardest thing. Yes, it is the hardest thing to say, and I keep learning the list get me that's why we're here right I mean that we were not enlightened beings, but that's our goal was to try to get as close as possible in this life yeah. I got it quite distance. So tell me about your work. Your way the racing and acting, but you also have this mission with Dempsey centrifuges scribe. How that can arise? We we don't treat diseases for anyone, who's been diagnosed with cancer. We, how do we make their life How did they manage that experience a little bit? But how do we empower that person
in all of our services, are free, so whether it be in Acupuncture Ricky. Ah group support yoga, mindfulness nutrition children's program if it's the patient themselves or the caregiver or famine Member wait. We tried it compliment traditional medicine with whatever it is that they need from us we have two centres in Maine: postmodern Auburn than one in Self Portland your. I'm town Louis, were louisen or Why group in China, which has got fifty minutes outside the big city, that was a milltown, the bass. She was there. Bates colleges in that community and, of course, during the sixtys and Seventys all those businesses left, and there was nothing left what line of work. Your folks in my dad was an insurance salesman, and my mom was a secretary and then my Father get into redemption the user. The ape like have yet a bottle. You'd have to
turn the bottle and he will give you the zero dollars and five cents in a little bit more than we would sort it and then give it to the distributor like Coca COLA Pepsi, whoever and so your mom is. Why is what she's, what provoke your work now, with a dempsey, tell her that she was diners, I believe in ninety eight. Ninety seven with ovarian cancer had a long battle with it. and that's what really? There was a first encounter in my family with cancer and the devastation what that is in in a through fighting it through diagnosis to fighting and then through death, and it still affects the dynamic of the family without question. How many kids in the family are two sisters until sisters. What was it like for you, as absence, has a good. Maybe the family watch her mother go through. My mother was was very strong, never was sick and
it was really hard to see her weak and you feel helpless, say what can you bring to help support? You know and you're over well with so many choices and not knowing what to do you know? What's the best remained? Where do you go who's? The best, After all those things, that's how it affected me. My sister Mary ah worked in the hospital, so she can navigate a lot of things for us that we couldn't normally get the information. If you didn't have someone whose working the husband come about started and around this time. I think she battle it for quite a few years until the show came on and then when anatomy came on people who or what your charity. What do you stand for, and I never had been asked tat question before and I was working with Amgen in the engine short of California, with the breakaway from cancer initiative and now
that's when the nature of like sort of a wellness centre or complementary thirty affair became up, and that's what I was thinking all this would be perfect and our community is there anything there. That's how it came about. She was around when use when the Dempsey Centre started. Yes, she it started in two thousand and eight. We ve been ten years little over ten years, have been our Levin here and she passed in three four years ago. Two thousand foot I am not an expert ovarian cancer, but I she's right much longer than anticipated. Yeah shit is slow Oh growing cancer came back most every two years and she thought of her very long time and how is required. life in that period. Good she stayed active capture outside I'd capture moving and her Claudia life up into the very and was very good for productive. How did it go for you when she passed
it was. I had my finally conversation with her where I put everything table. When we had a great heart to heart, she was being treated in Boston and one of the final operation she had the daughters of she probably will not survive this surgery now's the time to have that discussion. and we are great discussion- talk about everything- and I was good when I will give you ever really good toys- very disruptive, to say the least. You know when you lose a family member. I lost my father very early on end, but I felt good. At least I had cleared the air I had. I talked about everything I want to talk about for my sister's. Not so much, I think was much harder for them, but for me I had closure. For she passed did them mindfulness practices help in any way in terms of that period of time, for you, yes, I think so I mean also
Look at the world in how you look at life in our time here. You know when your philosophy as everybody approaches it differently in you know, I've been around enough people who have been through this and who didn't arrived and started. You get a different perspective, so I was ok. Ok, I had more time with her than I anticipated, and I made the most. You said your foot father passed when you re My father was much older than my mother. He passed when I was seventeen. I just left me and he had passed the that for sure. I was here in New York. Eighty three, That was the toughest I think I d say, because it right around that time as a man you're. Looking your father differently, I've been out on my own there a lot of things. I wanted to ask him that I didn't get a chance to do I regret not having more time with him as as an adult male.
He was always around for me as a kid was a great went meant for me, but now with my own kid, I think about that. You know what can I do to make sure that the time I have with them impact full and present its citizens, the more recent of your mother is here I think about my parents are getting older and there's some health issues there watching. That is obviously sad and frustrating and a lot. Emotions. but it also from a selfish standpoint, fairy potent reminder of my own mortality, and the fact that I'm getting older did did I come up for you in this process. Yes, a lot of things lotta priorities change after her after she, ass things changed profoundly for me and how I looked at the world. What my priorities were things that were important prior to that were no longer at the forefront of the things I
For import to, did you make changes in your life as a consequence? Profound changes as such I focused on the racing ahead. She like that more than any my acting she's like there's, u hurdling around inside and I like the show ever, but she law the car racing she loved theatre. She would have preferred. Had I stayed in New York in was onstage more and she was really proud of all the stuff. I did on the track much more so than anything else it. You may know what answer this question, but I have to ask them why didn't you like to show? Is she didn't like the medical cited? She didn't like it if it was to Korea I see as Jim about seeing your hurtling around a track at high speeds and ocean like that, because we is my whole life as it as a key whisky racing in more stand. Mark was my here and in more said, Molly at the time in the seventies was the greatest care of all time That's what I wanted to do in every week and we would go to sugar,
Sunday, river or other places in Maine to ski rice and that's what kept that was how we were pretty close as a family, my mother and my father, my sisters had since The house at that point, but so is always part of our family. Dna really was motor sport. Bracing sports theater was just a mistake which is funny because I picked up the unicycle, because an enlarged and Mark ABC a pleasant personnel when they did wide world sports. They had done up an interview with him on his dry land training and he was riding the use on. I ordered one, Susan Roebuck. I was selling seeds and had enough money. I bought my unicycle through my seed money and ordered it and then picked up the unicycle there. Led to the theater. I was in this town Butterfield Main and biofuel
the latter. This travelling variety show vaudeville troop and I got hooked up with them. That was my. I was my way out of me. I read. They want you that I had at more questions about your mom in the centres of but banal. On this digression is about you that I did not know you also get deep into juggling yeah I was? Secondly, international, jugglers, competition, Junior division in Cleveland, Ohio and eighty two. Eighty three people can say that Anthony got to who was younger than I was, was the he one and is gone on to be one of the great travellers it's funny. I watched the idea, which is the International Journalists Association. They have some stuff on Instagram in the technique in this that the jugglers today that stuff that their doings pretty pretty amazing. Now, I bring it brings up because a friend of mine who has been profoundly of light, army is again a doctor Mark Epstein, who
the written a series of beautiful books about the overlap between Buddhism and psychology movies, a shrink here in New York City. and he talks in the book that I, the first book I read by Him- was called going to pieces without falling apart right. Any talks about jug being formative for him as a young Harvard undergrad who was interested in meditation, but was too uptight tab call uncle, get it right. Because he was drunk so hard to get it right for language is the enemy of all of a lotta Taipei, meditatively, and somebody in his orbit tolerated juggle right. that allowed him to go to pieces in a until but go in a really healthy way, representing their resonate with you, a juggler you, because you gonna drop in order to learn how to drop the ball or the club or whatever you have to. Your causeway dealing with failure. But we're becomes failure the end, because perfecting the technique in protecting the that protect trick yourself and your present yeah
Will you can't juggle? I know I've. You can think about anything other than the ball is in the air which has placed Venice. Yes, yes, I know how to do friend of mine in the nineties, gave me a little book on how to juggle once learned the basics of it, which expresses my son, whose forward it will stop and pressing him and probably three or four months, when he gets old enough to figure out that I'm not that good at it right, but there is it. As doing it as a meditative rusty. You have to out of the way? Yes, yes, You have to see everything you have to see the whole the cat. What's come, it's called a cascade right, three ball cascades, so it's basically a crossing pattern and you have to keep your eyes. oaks on everything, it's very much like racing or skiing recycling or any type of sport gulf. You have to be focused on one thing at a time, we're here. If real, through line in our discussion here juggling, racing acting all require a dropping of the self.
so they can be in the moment, right now he's out. Like the ego, when we talk about south, you could talk about. The ego asked when you need a healthy one, but yeah, it's when you. Half do not worry about what other people think in what you think, which is the hardest thing to remember right, because if. Just. When you worried about how you look or how you present yourself. That's you never gonna, be satisfied. You just not no matter what anybody says to you at the end. It is still can we be empty, so the process Someone once said to me or very early on the process, is the product, and I was what is that but the doing is, is Real joy, not the end result, does not stop. What is gonna be four made its. The satisfying, but are you have real standing the war? You just said about how you know no matter what nice things people say to you or whatever its document, Do it for you in the end,
everything that I think a lot of us have heard before, but coming from you whom you ve had it. People say a lot of nice things about you, we have seen in a lot of that. I mean you can't take it seriously, because their project whither show like raise anatomy and a character like the mic dreamy character. That's an archetype. Two people are projecting onto you. That's not you Here you are falling into an architect that people want to believe is real and then becomes mythology and you at the end of the day, have the separate yourself from that and not believe, that's who you are and it isn't as a part of you, something's aspiration. We want to become that you want to become a better person in all of what that is, but it's not who you are. If you're over the role mess you up in any way or was it all awesome what we and turned its all awesome. I think because it was it's been the greatest lesson in my life without question and has given. The platform to do
The things that I want to do in, and certainly the centre is what life is about in many ways been altruism, giving back to the community in doing something not for yourself it for your fellow man or woman or that's what life is about. That's true satisfaction. Everything else is a distraction from and just to be clear when you say you reorganise your life to a certain extent, re prioritized your life in two thousand and fourteen to that fourteen two thousand fifteen? Certainly the passing of my mother, changed how I looked at the world. And it was a lot of term when I noticed this happens- a lot to families at this. danger when someone it has passed, it disrupts the family, dynamic, profoundly changes, everything some people accept it. Some people going denials breaks up the family and changes Profoundly I really life was too short and was trying to get on with challenging myself in doing there around the table. You left the show yes, and
what I've gone as far as I had creatively on that show what I was gonna get to his is When I was saying just to be clear before this isn't- like something you slapped your name on. You are at the centres. I try to get back once gone for a week I worked close. with the board. We now have our own fibre once he three which took us at a better time. The last few years I would the seven year mark when I win. If we needed direction, we needed focus on where we about twenty five hundred people year is about eight thousand people every Being diagnosed recently diagnosed, we want to reach every one of those people and you have to focus on that and through the racing is currently working with Portia and at that level I now realize that you have to one thing at a time and do it a hundred percent and that was Michael, so diving into This work did diving into that word, diving into my family indicting into my opportunity to go.
for my goal, which was to race in win and get on the podium at one level and do a full see In the debate we see, which is the World interns champions that happened. It did did ya Napoleon I did I achieved all the goals and I set out to achieve well the lead in itself. Then I had to figure out what to do next, because I had my eye Kennedy changed and I stopped racing because it couldn't justify the time away from my family. and I had finished the show. So what I had perceived as my identity was no longer there. And I ve been talking to a lot of people who have in sports retired is talking to some other people who were very successful athletes are now on the other side of it might. How is that transition free and it takes a while to get ok? That's now am I. What am? I know that the label of this person is shown your a race car driver you this. You take that away. They have got to come back and ok, I'm areas yeah. I was just going to say how's that going for you because you you do
I can imagine the day to day work a week. A month is quite a commitment in these centres. He is intensely gratifying, profoundly graph, but it's not it's. Not your. U dont end up in the, in the papers. In the same way, you did other papers anymore. You don't end up on the website and didn't on the on the ET and the way you used to in his dad I'm sure, they're details in parts of that, but as it is it a transition and absolutely but I knew I had enough success later in life, so I've been around- you know been doing since seventeen fifty three now so I've had enough ups and downs in my career to understand everything absence And it's still like, ok what awhile I need to sit down. I need to take a moment and figure out what the next step is going to give us what that's gonna be for you producing you know, the documentary Hurley is agreed story about a race cordial, if it comes out about sexuality, in talks about his partnership and Ivan
That's really important message right now to his four years to make Derek die. the directors a guy from Maine, I met morning, one to tell a story. I got behind it and took his four years to do art of racing, the rain. Finally, ten years to get made, you know and been doing that and still doing the racing a little bit, focusing on the centre in my family and um yeah. I've units keep asking the question you with. What's the next, stage. Even more of our conversation is on the way after this better help offers licensed professional councillors specialised a wide array of issues like depression, anxiety and grief conduct with their profession.
Counselor and a safe private online environment? It's a truly affordable option and listeners can get ten percent off your first month by going to better help dot com, slash happier fill out a questionnaire to help them assess your needs and get matched with the counselor you'll love, we talked Lot about dropping The ego in order to stay in the moment to figure out what's important EU had it passes. Are you ve got kids three, one of whom is looking at schools? How do you, ok, listen to your kids or do have to just let them learn on their own. It's hard not to tell hover and be the helicopter, but you gotta. Let them fail because, through the failures we, when you learn wheedle actions having this discussion at every it's a ribbon now for competing, it's a sport, you should lose. You can't win. he d lose any need to learn how to lose gracefully, and need to learn how to win gracefully and am, I think, that's
what did it is giving the kids enough space to learn and be there for them and be able to discuss it with its a positive outcome or negative come, but I don't I'm still trying to figure out what ever kids wanna go into. The acting in one of them is that how do you handle that You know it's their passion, it's what they want to do. certain they need to work at it. and they need to be disciplined. They need to approach it professionally, but I think a bit too young for me right now to get into a, but I'm supporting them, we'll see tough profession don't recommend, but if you're gonna do it to learn how to write. You need to learn how to produce, and you have to be in control your own destiny, just to wait in for the phone rang and just begun for higher. I don't think a satisfying, so I try get them to read and write and express themselves through all those right. So because, if you're sitting around just waiting for roles yourself, esteems gonna found
all over the place, if you're not getting a role, whereas their controlling the means of production to be marks. The and you can Then you are created you're, not just waiting for the functioning and you're not just to gunfire, and it's I think that's why there's so much. mental illness in the profession, because it's just really heart really hard to keep her confidence up in your identity. same because you're waiting for someone else to give allegation. Do you see alignment allowance animals. I think it's really hard. I think it's a tough business in anything, weathered the news business or anything. We thats really hard to stay on your game and focus had not one ineffectual when you're in the public eye. So I think I should have asked you didn't. Do we say enough, but the centre For me, the mission is, I think, that the work has been done at the centre should go handed him everywhere in the world. That is our goal. Can you guess scale
to be? We are without working on, were working on getting a foundation in place to be able to scale out to be able to do that, and if we can do that, what I do and courage people to do if you're listening to this is reach out to the centre. Other, like minded centres like ours, we wanna unite. Everybody get everybody can together for best practice and to share what it is. It were, giving the clients in, and hopefully we can expand this and have a nationwide worldwide, so even if I'm not in central and southern main, and I'm not in this matter, where you getting treated, you can overall can call. And hopefully you know our goal is to have enough of a network to say are you from ok there's a centre that is located in this town, close to you, I'm go check that out and if you, if you dont in its tough with the state lines, which is something we can do some things, we can't, but I would love to be who do something on a national level at some point? But our goal right now is to take care of everybody in the state, a main into provide those services for free to end and visas
residential people are coming in and getting classes does matter where you from you can come. It doesn't matter what state your from, if you're, being treated in loosen auburn great. If not when the does matter, where you being treated in, do people come from other voices, people companies, it's really hard. This fascinating thing is: when I go up there and I mean people it get off the elevator, they come up the stairs and they're they're very nervous, and they dont know what to expect and first aid. They hear that it's free and the toughest things to get them to step through the door, because then they have to admit to themselves that they actually have cancer. They go from there I've seen it happen time and time again that was like how do we just get people in the door? One foot in the door? I know we're okay, it's just getting the people to understand what it is that we're doing that we're there for them. How do you make their life better? How do you make it manageable? How do you want hours? in the family. We talked about re prioritization before, but I just imagine being in the
centre is a constant drip of perspective for you. Oh yes, absolutely with the kids with the older people with the young people with anybody. You are engaged with that person immediately all the other biscuits bread. It is real. It's open people open in communicating with you in there looking right in the eye, and there are looking for help Looking for answers, looking to be empowered, the thing you Yasmine questioner Lizzy, I fell useless to my mother, because I didn't have the information I didn't know where to turn you know and then. She sometimes survivors ship, I think, is another thing we need to talk about is sometimes people come through that they're like? Why am I surviving, and all the people that I went through trimmer withered are no longer with me no longer here. What am I doing here and getting people understand that in their still, giving back as Israel
libraries. I think I've seen it with me. I saw with my mother- and I shared with other people- is its profound thing for them, because if you ve had that experience in some ways, this recently diagnose and you get them Together- partnership Mentor programme, that's profound, and that's what we need to be thinking, because more more people getting diagnosed earlier there surviving. But then we have to focus on survivor ship as well I think I've seen data that suggest pretended. I have it at the ready, but people who This can be alcoholics and can also be people with chronic or terminal illness. those who volunteer tender. stand either their recovery or their survival rates. Yes, yes,.
That's also with age to his grave him. An MP are few weeks like a week ago, we're talking about stages alive, and you get to a certain point. Getting older. It's like you, don't have the inside or you don't have that sort of ability to reinvent the wheel. But it's important that your wisdom be handed down, that mentor ship is important and that party life and get something gives you motivation in the morning. We get up and do something I'm glad you were motivated this morning to come here and talk to make, as this has been fantastic at no cost. You a question, so we are endless. Time is up now. How did you we got plenty of? How did you get into and in the euro you have a history, your family of cancers. Well, I might The history of in my family firms, So too, that's two questions, the first as meditation the idleness and then the second part is to hit with a cent The history of cancer is actually that my parents are both cancer doctors. my dad was until recently a breast cancer doktor.
And my mother until recently also was a pathologist again I groped bus they work at Harvard Teaching hospitals, and so that was it. Environment, in which I grew up how The meditation was that I had a panic attack. I live television. Good morning, America, two thousand for because I was abusing drugs, because I spent a lot of time in war zones and gotten messed up and that sent me on of weird row. Good. That finally, land in me on meditation, but it took a while and the only reason I was able to do it. I thought like you, you were able to sort of embrace it and in the late eighties way before it was cool, so good us do I really needed to see that there is scientific evidence right in order to open my mind and once I saw that that others was there, I decided to things one, I'm gonna do this. the two I realise that there were no books about meditation that talked about it in a way that I didn't find pretty annoying,
and so I decided to write a book about it called ten percent happier without included a lot of you know. F bombs an embarrassing stories and my ideas and try to make the successful to other sceptics right has had a big effect on me. Really big effective means now big At least fifty percent of my working life. Just think, if we could do that as a society, it should be taught in school. Increasingly, it is, but it should be taught everywhere right breathing, that's a lot of our prime right now and yet yes, there are three skills that are taken. And Buddhism thought. I would call myself a buddhist mindfulness, which is basically just waking up to the fact that you to have these inter process he's that, if you don't see them only new emotions urges random thoughts. That's one skillet. I've talked with
that was compassion, rises that actual in the bullet and talked about it in a finger. Wagging way like you should be good, because otherwise you can be punished by a sky God I talked about a more like it feels good to be compassionate, so therefore use do it and by the way, if you're less of a jerk, your meditation practice will be better because you're not gonna, be spending so much time. ruining your past that decisions and actions, and the third is wisdom measures which we it has been an undercurrent in this discussion, which is understanding that we live in a universe. That's impermanent, everything's changing all the time and clinging on to things it won't last will be the source of suffering. I think these. Three skills would be transformative if they were headed deeper embedding into our society without question. that's. My job on the planet is to try to do a little bit to make that happen. Why things with the technology that we have
where we can reach people, if you can do it in a way that we're all in this together, by no means in my realise being as it is, every morning, wake up. Okay, how can I be a better person and might have I learned a little bit more today or you from yesterday? You know I'm into continue doing that and I think to be able to tell stories or to be on the air and putting those messages out there. Not just, negative ones that are so easily turn, and certainly with news right now. It's not that it's falseness just focusing on specific angles. Why not use it to do something? That's positive show the positive stores, but will people listen? Will people hear them I've? My experience is that people will listen if it's made a clear with the benefit is we are in many ways selfish? I don't think we're thoroughly selfish, but we, we are wired by evolution, to look out for ourselves on some levels, Morales a wire for compassion, but if, if we can present,
these stories with the angle of how this will make your life better. It's not just up. where the creamy insincere positivity for the sake of positivity, it's more like hey look, you can train your mind to be a happier person then then I my experience those stories land, yes, men, there much more foreign to tell then I spent a lot of time in war zones and that's thrilling too, but this work for me as much more right meaningful or you're seeing I've never been to was, nor do I ever want to go to win but you're, seeing the end result of all that hatred, not anger. Right, words is final, and if you can turn that put that energy innocently positive lovely, then the world will be transformed. to your point about this being taught in schools, TIM Ryan, who's running for president right now. I don't have it and have a dog and find the president's risk, as I'm still a journalist but team, and I
our friends, we go back for awhile and he's he's. A congressmen from our house has been a long time, proponent of meditation, and he says the fact that this isn't taught. This is mostly get a wise for two. to Upper West side, wealthy so cycle going or food trapping people is a social justice. If you know this that we should be Making these skills out of the sort of one percent, and giving it to everybody and, as he says, The kids in my district should be getting the stuff right. I pretty strongly that I think you do when we start every board meeting we can with a meditation. If I just remembered a brief focus anger- and I mean if, if you started, if you just creating work environment or distant azure, going to if you driving IRAN listened to something that allow you to have that moment, then I think we would see a different world
Hopefully that will happen if you think about it. You again were really early adapter meditations in late eighties, right so again, no way, if somebody proposed to me the Ladys out of, would have been in them and the knows not really out small cuz. I wouldn't have gotten without, but anyway, I would have rejected out of hand for sure now in Maine, You guys are doing board meetings in it's ok to meditate. At the beginning I mean that's because you know someone who has gone, who has studied Mary Doyle, who does that in it everybody benefits looking forward to it, because they need to slow down and focus and be present. You know it should be a part of every business I can't believe I didn't bring this up until now but you are also Youtube. You brought it up, but I didn't diving on it. This is something you're offering here too, the folks are coming through your centres right.
what kind of impact you see on them- and I imagine allowed these folks- are uninitiated- maybe even borderline hostile to the brought to the to the idea of meditation. Maybe in some cases will carry impact. You see on them- are you're seeing a lot through the rocky through the acupuncture and through the yoga, makes a huge difference Then, once people try it, then there they get it there's the aha moment. What can I do this? I should be doing the sultan. so it's not until you're sweet too. Faced with the life or death situation, you look at things differently, but also the caregivers too. It's really important for them, because they need time to recover any time to listen to themselves and to nurture themselves because respecting spending all that time with the person, who's been diagnosed in they need remember, take her themselves as one in its hard. I mean with three kids in or out,
My wife is professional. I mean everybody's going, it's really hard on a daily basis. To get yourself psych wait. I gotta click back in I'm losing I'm not focused anymore. I got it. I need to get centred somehow. In the world is moving so quickly. It is, and I look at my son how easily he understands how to navigate an ipad, and I guess I want. the ability to its it to be able to, as you said, cook him right. Will you go back and you look at the transcendentalists and what they are talking about at that time- and this is parliament Eighteen, thirty eight and forty zero talking bout mindfulness then, and they were saying look we need to take care of nature, and this is right before the gilded age explodes and where we end up in the world and were paying the price of capitalism, not a mug. They were saying so this is the nature of bee.
On this planet with this time yeah the advantage we have over the transit, analyse as we were, we can only life stories worthier, yes, younger the Iphone to talk about so one lasting before go here. Get can you just this? Is I use word plug, but I let's using a pejorative. I mean it in them and in the most positive sense, the workings of plug the centre. again and also. I know you ve got a challenge come up. Can you give us any information on that? Yes, if anybody Diagnose your family, go to the Dempsey Centre, DOT Org go to the website, check it out. Hope We can help you and if you need to pick up the phone, to call in. Hopefully we can direct. You to the people in your area. The commission's support you. The challenge. The Dempsey challenges of bike event sought a race Do a bike event. This is Sir October twice eighteen, twenty nine this year such September October, these snellings September
A Dempsey challenges since September twenty eight and twenty nine. We do a ride, a walk in IRAN and that's a big fundraiser for us to make it possible for these services to be free for anybody who comes to the door opens up. Please come up and support us This meant a huge pleasure, great, I'm glad you're sweating. I've watched you since the eighties, Did it across review its very goal, so great figures that no it's very nice and must be to be here to talk to you about this? Ok again, big thanks to Patrick Dempsey, really enjoyed sitting in talk with Patrick: let's do your voice mouse! Here's number one This is Kate from Boston calling. I just want to thank you for everything that you do. I know everyone says that, but sincerely it is such a in our committee, and I really appreciate it. My question is: and working advertising for about ten years and really like random feeling loving.
Heidi during a meeting, or you know a little bit like that thing right like about to speak. So I've been practising meditated. and it really working I'm up all the easier. It then I started a new job the other day and feeling third decree back up again, and I did think could be. It went for a walk. I did a five minute meditation. I did feel better, but I wanted to know. You had any tricks of the trade way too quickly and yet it without any like a tattoo who but Like reminder, I do think daily for me therefore ordained by something a little deeper that I can practise on a more immediate aid that were needed. That is clear, and, I m sure I'll be conduct. More question says it above your I gotta think, but have a good day. I'm told bag limits. You want Brigitte aggression and the kind words and the shut out from Boston, my hometown, when I am but I want
when an amused, my wife, I do have us an accent Boston anyway. I won't I want inflicted upon. You now I have a lot to say about the question here for us all, what's ages. For myself, I feel less with kind of garden. I jitters and more with the full on panic and my approach to that is more. Preventative than that it is. Thing to do in the moment, because in my experience, just I'm just being for myself here, panic is so strong that, at its best to be entirely avoid, if possible, none the less. I think I will ultimately be able to say a few things that will directly address the specific she you're asking. But let me just say a little bit about preventative measures that can work with panic and I think, would definitely apply to what you referred to as like a little bit of. Stage fright or feelings of anxiety. First of all, the basic,
messages all the stuff. Your parents probably told you to do but take care of yourself, Annoyingly is true and useful. Getting enough sleeve exercise, as you have a help having a healthy diet, meditation all the things that are gonna. Just can't keep you at a baseline level of health or what will be good for preventing panic. Panic, as it's been explained to me My doctor is a feeds upon fatigue or. run down and not being at your best answer, your less likely to experience it if you're not working so hard that you are getting enough sleep. Before your partying, too much, etc, etc. So I think best to avoid those things, and I find that my life is, and quite boring as a way to prevent panic in that I, u know exercise quite a bed and again of sleep and I'm not staying out till three in the morning at the bar you. So there are
drawbacks here, but I do find that I panic less another thing. Another two things to keep in mind is I really really really avoid and so, if you're, if you got a big meeting in you're, worried about feeling a little jittery do not drink coffee, some people will hate here that, but caffeine makes jittery or makes me jittery at the very least, and so avoiding that seems like a big, a big thing to do, to strive for and also chocolate has lots of caffeine in its of your China. You know Snickers Barb for meeting bear in mind that that's gonna Abu up as well. and then another thing is beta blockers. So this is non narcotic a prescription drugs that a lot of people who have to perform use so surgeons who do want to have their hands jittery, opera, singers athletes.
musicians, public speakers, news anchors, if your doktor recommend you have to do this in consultation with your doctor, should go. Ask him if it's ok for you, given your whatever other medications: neuron mixer, there's no country indications. If your doktor thinks it k in my experience. Better blockers are the closest thing in the world to a silver bullet As I said it, it's a pill mostly given to people with. I believe your heart issues, because what it does I put a ceiling on how fast your heart can beat the impact for those of us with anxiety or panic. Is that you can start to feel psychologically nervous in any given situation but a mutiny that your body can sometimes mount in the face of psychological stress can't happen so you're you, your heart, can't race.
And so that is incredibly useful. So if I go into public speaking situation, where I think I might be nervous have taken a beta blocker, I foresaw doesn't it's not like taking a valium or anything like that. It's not going to make you high all it does is in my experience and I'm not a doctor. So I again, I would urge you to talk to your doctor about this, but all does, as far as I know, is block your heart from race and so I can go on stage, knowing that, while I might be nerve, in my mind, my bodies, not gonna, start freaking out I'll, be able to breathe, etc, etc. There has been enormously helpful. For me again, I we want to stress I'm not a physician, and you should talk to your position. before you take a beta blocker, but it might be worth looking into. but in terms of the sort of less you know, sort of the level below panic which, as you know, feelings of anxiety or a little bit stage fright while you're in a meeting. For me, that's a little
less common, because it can escalate to panic pretty quickly. But in me, if is for me, if I feel that I mean this is where the practice of meditation is really useful. You described Kate, walking out and taken a break and going for a walk and doing a five minute meditation. All of that sounds brilliant, perfect gold star for you, but if you don't have the luxury of taking a break and walk outside and you really need to power through this is where the practice meditation really really kicks in, because you're you're cottages train to than tune The feelings of your body and in particular I find just turning into the feeling of my belly and noticing, if its tight scout deliberately softening it we're just feeling the raw data of the physics sensations of me sitting in whatever chair. I'm sitting in a kind of take me out of my head and whatever racing and spinning may be happening there and were too.
me too, something a little bit more concrete. You know it's a magic, but it does sometimes stop the momentum of fear. Because I sometimes don't have full faith in myself to provide the most comprehensive answer. We did reach out to one of the geniuses on the ten percent happier staff Re Housman, who runs our cap, coaching she's a long, long, long time, meditate her and a teacher- and she are coaches on the ten percent happier app. Those are the real human beings who you can ask questions of any time. If you're a subscriber just go to your profile, page and and and hit you hit upper coach, if you want to ask questions anyway, re waiting with the following, if that actually kind of amplifies what I was just saying about tuning into your body, the magician from its. She just send me a paragraph on a red it verbatim one of the things we
oh, this is her talking. One of the things we know about states like anxiety, nervousness or fear is that when they arise they can easily take over the capacity of the mind and Co Opt Oliver attention when Anxiety is the frame for our perception. We tend to look for what's wrong or what might put we go wrong and we can easily find evidence to reinforce the need for concern and worry interrupting. The self reinforcing tendency of the mind and intentionally directing the attention short toward some aspect of our experience, that is more at ease, is key because of the gravity of anxiety, it takes them effort to make this shift in our attention. If there is an area of the body that has a felt sense of ease or flow, it can be really supportive in settling the mind to direct the attention there take a moment, you allow yourself to really feel the sensation, of this area. If there is a sense of flow neighbourly
the two breath going in and out, and if the body is feeling like a good resting place for the attention, then it can be helpful to direct the attention out somewhere else. and that is. You may be a calming view out the window I right. Thank you came for that question is in essence and feel free to come back with many more that's gonna voicemail number to pay them. I just graduated high school by summer. Right now I got college and I decided to take my purse meditation course. I just got out of TAT data off a court that is really amazing out after waiting challenging, but one. Thank you, sir pushing me to further my practice. Then proceeded path, though. Thank you how much my question was that I just thought I'd been talking to a lot of people
after the course, and they say that there is a great minds that, after the course in every thing, in a really is inspiring, but after a while a lot of people kind of blue that to the normal routine, the daily life of Buckley, after, like budgeting fer, a nine hours every day for ten days, definitely going to be hard to kind of transition back to normal life. So my question is: how would you say the kind of translate the thing you learn during retreat or by time adaptation and how to continue those until you're, not one and how to continue their minds at it, but the actual nature of there's an answer, but if there is that without them? Thank you so much they abide. Thanks meant well, frizzle, proud of you. That's amazing that you went on
meditation tree, that's a big deal of big commitment and yet good on you at second, just it clarifies and terms here for people who work and may be slightly confused. He referred to going out of a passing a retreat. I think, by passing a retreat he's referring to the retreat centre. Set up by the now deceased, meditation, legendary meditation teacher by the name of S, and the tanker in indian gentlemen who learn who was a business man who ended up in Burma where he learned meditation and then started these secular meditation retreat centres all over the world bunch of in the United States and know exactly where he was teaching ache, of meditation called to deposit, which is taught in many contexts, but Somehow his retreats have become to be no have come to be known as depositor retreats, but just technically the Passanha is it is, which is also called insight. Meditation is taught in lots of at lots of retreat centres. That anyway,
great job. Those retreats are challenging, and but I think you I've done it go anchorage. We would have done many, persona or insight, meditation retreats for nine or ten days in it's, in my experience very much worth it. So your question is how to serve you. Ok, What you ve learned into your daily life in a minute We're gonna hear from re the aforementioned Re Housman and then also another great meditation teacher whose, on our staff, a ten percent Sousa talent, because they, Much more wisdom to dare to drop here than I do, because they ve been many more retreats, but I guess my answer and maybe it'll be contradicted when we read Suzanne raise, but my answer really here is that you can't impart Maybe this is a mistaken, my thinking, but I've never really it to me. They just daily life in retreat. She seemed to show different that you know I don't expect to be able to bring the full
momentum of concentration of mindfulness into my daily life, because it used I've never been able to replicate the volume of sitting that you do in a retreat, where you don't have to worry about your meals or I'll, take care of free of youth. gradual set, your whole job is to sit and meditated some guesses, walkin, meditate and so Rick Daily life in retreat seem like to very different things and so. Holding on to the pleasure you may derive from having greater concentration in my fulness seems in my experience has been. You know that holding on has not led to a lot of happy of course, which are also really getting at here, is- is how to take what you ve learned and integrate that into daily life. And you know just give you one example from my life: I'm a member being a retreat. A couple years ago it became clear to me that if I was suffering It meant there was something I was not being mindful of. Any time that I was in ITALY.
Ideally life ass, I can remember this there's something. That's bothering me if I just dropped back into mindful awareness of it is no longer a problem for the nanoseconds during which, I might fully aware of its. So if I'm uncomfortable a time middle seat in a plane. If I just close my eyes and a mindful of the raw data of the you know aversion, feeling or the the sensations in my cramping legs, etc, etc, in those moments when I am mindful, I'm not suffering its when I'm mindless and then my mind is racing with. Woe is me: why is it always me thoughts? That's when the suffrage comes in So there are these little moments that I found on retreat, where you have a real insight that does inform the rest of your life, just a few others. One is just ever after my first retreat, where I had heard of it. This happens for some people, after everybody, and it's not a big deal either way.
Really, but I I had a kind of a dramatic moment. Where are my first retreat where the new more dated, eight turning of the mind really slow down in a wide never experienced before. That was accompanied with a lot of accompanied by a lot of happiness and joy, and that you gave me a lot of, even though I am not able to really touched that place too much In daily life that gave me a lot of faith or confidence that this practice is worth doing and that has provided fuel for might daily practice by the way just getting back to how to keep, the lessons of retreat alive in your daily life, of course, daily practice daily sitting is a huge way to do it. Again. Are you not to be able to sit eight or nine hours, but you're gonna be able to bring back some of that enough?
lead there may a my experience, their ties, Venezuela, frustrating when you sit for thirty minutes. You know after you come home from retreat because you realize you you're, attention span has now gone back to what it normally is. As we like, you know, a chipmunk, but you know it's better to do that, then not to do it better hold Furthermore, let me go to what ray and Sousa had to offer. As I guarantee you it's gonna be were cogent than what I just said. So here's re she said two small paragraphs on me to read them the transfer we'll skill we practise on retreat is awareness, awareness, the awareness of the breath of the body of sounds. He can feel easy, especially after EVA passing, a retreat to think that the objects we pay attention to our important with so much emphasis on the breath. For example, It really is the awareness that matters which is great news for daily practice, so in any given at any time of day. We want to try paying more attention to the awareness, then, whatever,
is a rising or happening. Some questions to drop in dear practice here might be Am I? Where do? I know that I'm aware what am I aware of this helps the must love awareness get stronger. Another way to approach. This is that everything that happens in our experience is always only ever arising at one of the five senses. And in the mind we can know everything here and we know all of it because of awareness. So in this way, awareness itself can be the object that we can pay attention to and its available. Any time doesn't care what we know or at what speed were knowing it with awareness we can be with anything and everything hope this is helpful. I think so and here Susan Retreats offers the opportunity to get a window into the potential of the mind is very common to want to hold to the mindset that can develop on retreat. However, we are trying to maintain a particular mindset, rather
were aiming to develop our capacity to recognise and be with whatever. It is. That's happening in our moment to moment experience with greater awareness and increasing economic the guidance that is offered to people leaving ten Deva pass into retreats is to use the sensations of the body as support for developing a continuity of mindfulness in daily life. With practice, we gradually develop our capacity have a light awareness on the sensations of the body as we navigate our lives if you're in a Asian or if your reaching into the fridge something to eat, take a moment to the other body and allow the sensations to be known this practice along, One could be so wonderful and slowing down compulsive tendencies in the mind, and it can support it developing a more embodied my fullest practice, its import remember that we call it practice for a reason were practising the art of being present. We aren't Amy for perfection being present is a natural capacity of the mind. It just takes continued practice to develop. This capacity are practised develops. It evolves, as we can t
how to explore it, relaxing and simply noticing, what's happening in the moment, is always an option. That brings us into the present moment all right, big tanks to Sousa and Ray for adding some genuine wisdom into this discussion. Big thanks to all of you who listened to the show, really appreciate that don't forget to tune in next week for episode. Two hundred before we go big tanks, as always to our podcast letters. Hundreds of you give us feedback on a weekly basis, enormously helpful answer to produce. the show, Arraying, Kessler Samuel Old Johns, Grace Livingston and might be news and operating room here. It aims in his radio. While I report this really appreciate it was, the next Wednesday there's not a person in America who hasn't been impact it in some way by the corona I was pandemic, but it every community there are pockets of people who were soon
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