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thanks dash. How did you get into meditation? Well, I was always really interested in Buddhism growing up. I'm not sure why I ski raised in a pretty high level,
from a young age, and I found that it was just something
I was kind of already during the clear my mind before competitions, but real
you got me into it was when I started doing some more of the Koran quote extreme staff, and also
finding my spiritual identity or just the way that I wanted to.
It to life, in the way that I wanted to find meaning for my own life and eyed. Her
lot about meditation and I was dating a boyfriend, helped get me into it, and yet I was about ten years ago what you're practice look like now. Now I
I have a lot of time that I spend on the road and I really like to use apps. I really love Europe. I also really love waking up SAM Harris's up a nurse I mean really referendums he's a great teacher yeah. Both of those acts are awesome of nurtured heads.
But there's something about the uptake use me accountable, I don't necessarily needed from day to day practice, but sometimes it just has more accountability. To make me sit down
for at least ten minutes every day.
They usually I like to do some de France of Breath Workin a short visualization stuff. You know that's really helpful legalization visualization to tool at I use both in meditation practice when on trying to still be crazy, chaotic water, sometimes that life
presents us with and it individualization also like
Today, in my scheme, skiing practice when I'm tryin to visualize my lines and stuffs, I take time in the morning to kind of run through
the ideal scenario that my life would look like, that the run would look like and
sometimes it's three minutes
this ten minutes. Sometimes it's forty five, but it's just whenever I can make time for you to use the term line here too
What does that mean? So a line basically refers to the run that you ski down them
So what I do is it's called big round skiing,
People that earnest mayor familiar, think of it as extreme skiing, but they get jobs, often helicopters and it's up to us to
choose the way down the mountain, and I want to start everyone's. I am sorry to interrupt you guess you're under playing this. I just watch videos you you just like casuists again we get trapped of helicopters like
no big deal. A helicopter takes you and put you on top of a really stand place where nobody supposed to be a dark, even yak, of their yeah man. Whenever a mountain goat, nothing like the Tipp of a certain liquor at the top
mountain by covering a ridge. It's a running ridge, and this line I saw you skiing they die.
You're out of a helicopter and you scheme
down and then like there's a little avalanche following you and your jumping off rocks it's crazy
Word for you, I'm still here. Yes
Don't do it again. I have death rates. I can't imagine how your parents for your work in this area,
to your saying a line, is they dropped off the helicopter, and then you can have is actually not a straight line. You're skiing down, you have to skip you. Can't it's not like a well grew
straight line course, you're skiing, around obstacles who yeah it's a pretty challenging art to master, because
what we do is we fly into like the basis of a mountain range or a search
and then all the athlete stand at the bottom and we look up the face right. The mountain face and there's cliffs there's little
Sub regions, there's all these things that you kind of have to get a imaging your head of how you want to navigate through.
The obstacles and how you want
make your unexciting how you are going to manage what you just called the avalanche. We call it slough its loose moving snow that isn't technically an avalanche, but it can sweep you off your feet if you cross
under it. So it's his whole navigational plan. Do you have to make in your head from the bottom? But then, when you fly up to the top and get dropped off on top a lot of times
blind roll over, as you can actually see the markers, and so it's kind of his art form of
sing together. What you thought was that little clear from the Tipp of that rock that should be really easy to identify and making share. You know your fifty feet to the right of that and kind of
that the whole way down? It's it's exciting that one way to do so,
at that meeting so I'd. I watch the video of you and I recommend everybody watch these videos because, it's just to say, somebody's a big mountain, secure and extreme here. Does it see road justice? You actually need to see it and will put
links in the shone out those watching a video of you and you can see exactly what you just described. You're standing there
looking at the face of the mountain, and you can tell your very concentrated, you're taking it in Amazon
internally, your visualizing. How will go, and then I saw you put abandon over your whole face
that part of the visualizing messing around. That's isn't as mere wages, maybe Evans more often than the visualization, to be honest, so you're
Look, you ve been doing this long and I ve been doing this. Is your pretty caprice small? Yet
you're looking at them, so you you're, able to really take in? What am I saying here and is this feasible-
then, I have also read that you get in the helicopter. Go do the thing, and sometimes you you just reference it. Sometimes you see, oh, that what looks like a little.
Cliff is actually something different. I, if there is such a thing as a little clip anyway
and you ever decide owner not doing this thing. Yeah yeah,
That's also air meditation is really helped me because sometimes it's easy to get. What you
your came love or what you think you can accomplish for that day, get in the way of the reality of things you know. Maybe it's
conditions, or maybe it's you're, not firing
Nah cylinders or whatever and being able to back down, and actually is people asking
What's your proudest moment, you know, and I would say, is the times when I have stepped away from stuff that I really want it or knew I was capable of, but had to have the self awareness to be like this. Isn't it
for it, and you know we learned the hard way too. That's how you learn. How to trust you intuition is when you don't follow it.
Things go wrong, are all like. Oh that's what that is,
tell me it's possible meditation to save you from serious injury, if not worse, yeah yeah private, I mean I mean as definite still here, thanks to a lot of tools and meditations one of them. So I want to really get pretty deep on the relationship between your practice and this little thing you do call the big mounts king, but we just go back to what you're
before about visualization, walk me through exactly how that would work, whether that something that any of us could do, if we're not brave enough to be skiing, downsides, mountain yeah
oh man, visualization, I think, is one of the most powerful tools that we have
in our minds, are so powerful and a lot of athletes can say that if you can't visualize doing something, we can't do it and
till we know that we can run through the whole thing in our head perfectly. We can do it and that's kind of across the board with
athletes will confirm, and I would venture to say that the same for all people I recently just had to have a really difficult come
station with my dad that I had a lot of fear
anxiety about, and I could
myself kind of running
the scenario how things can go wrong and
totally not using visualization the way that I use
do and then instead, I decided to run through visualization imagining things.
Doing the best possible way and what would that feel like? What's that smell like what kind of by
reactions when I get out of that, like what would his face, look like when I bring these things up and he's not up salaries.
Before me or whatever, and
envisioning and running through the best possible case scenario, I think is so so important. So I do it like you know,
did it with my daddy do in life, and I do it every morning for sure
Before I'm going out, and usually it's before you go skiing Bavaria, skiing.
Well, the more you do it like anything, the easier it is, the quicker you can run through it, but essentially elected. Take a couple. Breast get centre
get a little still see reminder your heart is in
missing or whatever, and you just really put yourself in that's it
nation and imagine how is this going to feel? What's it look, like all your senses,
sounds I wanna be hearing whether the smells I want to be having in really putting yourself there and then just.
Imagine yourself running through that entire situation, with all your senses involved and for some reason that sense
Poland is really important, and the body feeling component is really important and yell
and threw it over, no very like different possible
it might happen in the line? You know if something happens here or of inner pocket a loose?
pulls out? Where's, my island, a safety to pull off doing just yet
I thank you all different possible scenarios, but really, most importantly, focusing in running through the best one. It's so interesting I mean I can hear
several benefits in their one is obviously your mentally and physically more prepared for the run, but also in terms of eight mental skill.
The ability to imagine and visualize with such detailed. Not just I didn't know, wasn't it's not just seeing how it's gonna go. It's feeling smelling hearing all the senses that requires a level of concentration and mental
Huey, but you ve trained up over the years that I would imagine, can serve you really well yeah totally. Just like anything, it's a scam
some end Sundays. You it's easier than others sundays. I train run through stuff, and I just cannot encounter
a box and dislike anything. It's part of. If you can't do it right away or whenever you're coming on hands like totally normal, is fine as it is it so interesting to think about what you said about how this can be used in other sectors.
I don't need to be seen to do their new, reviewing athletic something I've gotta get a big conversation, she's gonna, say
this I'm going to say this. You know she hears her she's going to react to this. Here's, what it's going to look like in the room, here's the look on her face when I say that
So how did your conversation with you tat? We went to mazes, ok, yeah, as they say what it was about errors yeah, I am, it was really cool action
we'd Ben, I just was living up in Alaska, Ferko
for years. I just moved back bands back to solve cities where I live now, and that's also where my parents
we basically didn't hang out a lot this summer I was on the road. A bunch of my dad was like you know. I just feel like we haven't had time to be super close,
the summer you know and immediately as a daughter. Sometimes when apparent says something-
in a certain way here you feel I kill their say
area like I've. I've been bad, have done the wrong thing or whatever you know these, these relational situations are and so,
a lot of fear about. Maybe there's something you want to talk about. I am in the middle of buying a sailboat and thou.
Like a really big new thing
it came about that. I hadn't told him about, and I was just thinking they tell him about this case.
Life decision that I'm about to Megan?
yeah I did, and instead of you know him questioning me- are questioning my motives, use in total support, which I wasn't anticipating so was a conversation about personnel both with the undertone.
Sub tax! Being hey! We weren't back close this past summer, or did you lead with the closeness we lead with
closeness? Ok, yeah, he didn't know about the sailboat and honestly, I barely told anyone into this is like two weeks ago that this whole thing is really getting
Finally, as I didn't tell anyone,
kind of one of those life decisions. Where everything.
Intuition is telling you that this is the right decision, but it so radical and crazy for your current life that you don't know possibly how it's going to fit.
Or is it the unknown Unita? Has you work in the future so any
There was a new endeavour. I hadn't told him anything about it, and so he already felt like we were distant and United started day.
Somebody new- and I hadn't told him about this guy and it was kind of this whole situation where I was like. Oh man, it's really going to come out how much I've been sort of keeping him at Bay and
feelings of our entire history, my child,
had history and you know there is like feelings of resentment and just the classic hang up, so you have with kids and parents and all relationships, and it was really cool to dive deep and to be seen and accepted in and respected, and to have kind of this really great back and forth dialogue where people didn't get all reactive and shut down, and we went amazing and it was so cool too
to have that kind of talk. Conversation go like in you think the same process of you know I'm running down the mountain here metaphorically. I can see where my line of sight, I think they are getting out of the Slough weekly.
Other, etc that thinking
through all the angles, not just thinking through fee.
Killing three I'm feeling in every possible sense since devil sense of sand yeah, do you think that really prepared for this
why have gone differently for sure ino and part of it is taking that time to just think through and feel
real. What might happen because you have a sense of presence in control,
over yourself in your
since, in your reaction, you now, he definitely set a couple things that if I hadn't kind of
sat down and got present thought about this issue
and I probably would just reacted and flung off the handle and got really defensive, and I did
Do that this time- and I think I was just due to my meditation practice for sure the visualization- just
All of it. I was able to respond in a different way. Just total point of curiosity. Why, as a sailboat that big of it
he'll, because in SALT Lake City there is really no place to put a cell voted near Gonna have to move to the coast or what yeah? What why? What's the significance? Well, ain't? I'm pretty
deep in being approached gear, and
sometimes our limitations are or what we perceive as the thing that were capable of is
we're so limited in our brains, right, recertified, construct this fence of like ok, visa, the possibilities that I can operate in and to do so
thing or anything. Think of a possibility outside of that seems like a really far stretch for you, but to other people. Are there like whenever you can t really do that
not everyone see your life I gives up to here. You know, but we have these like self imposed. Almost like mental
governors on you know, and so for me,
in my mind, I'm super deep in being approached Skeer, I'm involved with
lot of red ball and north face these sponsorships in these partnerships with these companies that I dont see how to mash, like my skiing persona in my career, with what it's gonna take to learn how to sail to do. Some of these people
tax, like with climate change, documentaries, arena building this dream in this new life, I dont see how the trajectories can be parallel. I see them as diverging and so trying to be true.
Even think of how I can use sailing, is
put into add into my world is where I find these limitations and that's kind of the barriers that I'm currently trying to break through
and realized bad ass I mean, did it came their destiny and
doesn't seem like a hard sell me. I'm looking at you, D listeners, aunt see you by your blood.
Here, but much of his died? Electric blue you've got a really cool hat on and feathers and leather, and you look like you're like a better looking version of that, the Black Crowes or something like that
I feel like whatever. Whatever you do is gonna be cool, so when you're sponsored just beyond bore with that. Thank you
I think they will. I know they will, I think, isn't anything in life when you have conviction in that confidence, you can cut
do anything that you want to put your mind too. You know and incite the self imposed second guessing and the self doubt that
what takes us out of it right. You know, like you, have this image
from my persona firm in our shore interaction, but I don't necessarily see my
In the same way. You know, I don't think I myself was like yeah. I'm a bad
Ask them to do it. Everyone, I see myself in
my flaws in my fears in, and you just have those
invisible limitation. So thank you for that, and I also think that that's a really cool thing that you
gave me and that sometimes it's an helpful to look to other people and especially like our friends in the people closer to us
because they sort of her always able to see what were capable of for it. I want you touch on climate change. I wanna get to that, but I want to stay in meditation. First,
and so we talked about visualization. Let's talk more about the kind of mindfulness based meditation Buddhist inflicted meditation.
We do in the temperate and happier app or that SAM does on his excellent waking up app, I'm not supposed to promote the competitors.
They said that they will go by the way. Sam is actually really close with arms at one of our main teachers, Joseph Goldstein
and elsewhere, I know all the teachers and parents and happier up because
friends of SAM thrown away ass, the same as a key figure in my life again there. So ever SAM and Joseph go see we're both at with SAM's wife and children were at
house for dinner, the other night I was like a little family buddhist mafia. This obvious fact that salmon accounts of anyway that practice, the mindfulness slash Buddhist practice, which is
often some variety of pay attention to the feeling of your breath coming and going out when you get distracted start again and again and again, that's a bit of a different practice then
the visualization and I'm wondering
to hear more about how that practice goes for you and what it does for you. He asked
in about that last night and Kenya before I came in this morning- and it was to me
who had it is, is
I would especially like when I'm on top of the mountain on the line
you're dealing with your bodies, stress responses right. Does this
the logical response to addressing
and and mean in serotonin- and you know you, your hands are shakier legs, your shaky, you, no blood, shunting away from your extremities, like your body. Has this whole process of responding to stress.
Because you're not supposed to be that they carry. You can have a very taken testing your life's not endanger. Yes, that's true that an appropriate response is entirely appropriate when you're on this,
anyway. Another idea from its do things that its when you're sitting on
you're mad or wherever on your bed wherever you're meditating and your you have to keep coming back to like you get distracted Java thought you come back to this.
The present moment or just being completely at peace, and it's kind of this process of
You know I always thought meditation was about sit on
and don't think any thoughts for twenty minutes, which I don't know anyone that kinda you that's what I always say that if that happens to you reader, enlightened or dead, yes, sir,
yet when they realise that wasn't what it was about knows more about a process of just returning to that calm state. You know it's almost like returning to flow state.
Then, when I'm on top of mountains- and I have all these crazy things going on in- there is maybe a couple hell he's in the air and there's radio chatter and I'm trying to pay attention. Do you know what
amateurs out we're already or the other athletes like. Where am I
and go. Am I already like all these different things and I'm really nervous or you how this like physiological thing that we
our body, that we have to learn how to work with having that practice of being able to just loom, returned a centre boom returned
boom returned a centre when all this craziness is going on is insanely helpful, and so, if I just in our mind as to all and if we practise it, helps
Do what we wanted to do and it doesn't matter what we wanted to do so having it work for you. Instead of against you, you meditating, when I'm not up their hopes it. So when I'm up there its super fast and allow more effective and
It's basically as talking about earlier today. Not it's, not a process of cutting out.
All the things that are going on around you. It's a process of like finding
the Zen moments in the crap again and again and again- and I wish that I was like a fraction as wise at your age, because I was a complete idiot. That's so impressive for me to hear you talk about the mind as a tool and that you're working with this whole mess of emotions. Most of us aren't aware
that this. This action is taking place and therefore would you ve asked around by a but you have this clear visibility into. Ok, the blood shunting away from my extremities of that's this ancient response. Where wire for its not unusual or inappropriate in this moment and even cooler, I can work with it to do what I want to do here. That's really amazing things, so I read this really cool thing. You said, I think, was a magazine. Somebody asked you about the similarities between skiing in meditating. Actually before I get to the
Next question: let me ask about that: what is the difference between skiing in meditating and then I want to about the differences. The difference between skiing in meditating. For me, skiing is very much a meditation because its
time when I can completely focus on just one I'm doing in the moment like when I'm skiing, I'm not
think about what I'm an have for dinner or lake. The fight that I decided,
whoever whatever and it's just that flow state that I think meditation also can have help
as in tuna. Obviously you have things it always pulling you away in all different directions during skiing and meditation, but
to me their similar and they they just coexist like on the same level. You said here when I'm skiing: it's not that kind of relax, stillness
it's like the outside world is freeze framed around me, a moving through the world as if time has stopped, and I'm still aware of what I'm doing
and I had that seem like something out of a movie while a key honour, Reeves moving through some scene where everything is frozen. Is that what its? I can imagine that a true that that that's what it's like yeah, it's her
to describe. I think we have all had those moments where your soul in the zone that yeah it does seem like,
I'm operates on a different pace, everything is
Lay you enter into this other reality, that's kind of hard to describe with, but words we.
Normally is described normal reality. But it is this sort of sense of we're. All your son
these are totally heightened and it's like you pick up the crispness of everything. So
to that end, you're, so aware of it that it's almost like it's still when you're going through it, because if you're not you're gonna get hurt. George Mumford is this amazing. Meditation teachers worked with the Chicago Bulls, no Ellie Lakers and has been on the show, and his teaches a course on ten percent
which is way better than SAM's, and he has a phrase that I wonder if that residence with you, he says meditation, makes you flow or zone ready. This isn't
necessarily guarantee when you get out on the field of battle that you will be in it, but makes it much more likely you'll be able to get into flow them ass. You
totally sometimes I feel like in our minds. We have especially
find if I'm like under slept or hungry. It's almost like there's this just mental static, and I feel it
what meditation does is it sort of lake tunes,
the dial, so there's dislike less static, so when you
tune in to the frequency that you wanted tune into, or focus on the things you want to focus in. So you don't have to cut through all this white noise and what impact would you say, this kind of meditation mindfulness meditation that stinks from visualization has had on your life off the mountain.
Well, hopefully I say less dumb stuff and sail landward kind things. I think it's just helped me
Like you say, you know, tell me, be happier its help me just
It reminds me of a story that I was thinking of before I came on his podcast in the stories about
this meteorite that I used to have as little as this little rock in US iron super heavy
I love rocks. I collect, rocks out skewed them in my pockets. In this light,
I favour Iraq and it was a really
using phenomena. Where is my favorite
session and then, of course, naturally I would lose it and I'd like
I need my world the return upside down to be super up. Suddenly, all my favorite thing all world is like gone. I knew just like rack in your brain. Where was I love? I you know the others
times when you lose something in any can't? Quite let it go ears like in your head the whole time. Thinking about it- and this happened like six times where I'd lose it at freak out and then.
Like I had to fully let it go like every fiber of my being I'd, be like it's lost its really lost this time. I'm really never even be able to find it, and then it would show back up- and it was like this
weird little leg boomerang rock. That somehow knew it would come back
me when I had fully one hundred percent. Let it go and it was. This is really interesting. Thought exercises
happening, because I was like
the meteor, I was never actually lost all of these different times. It's just my perception of the fact that it was lost that totally turned my world upside down and like what,
I perceived the reality to be wasn't actually not only the correct reality, but it was totally something that is constructing for myself and rocking my
world, and you know we have those moments when something happens in your whole days, spun out, use like cash
is little. Meteorite was like this little weird teacher, but I have is so funny and to me
What I realized was how powerful our reaction and our perception to what we perceive as this situation,
can be over how we live our lives, how we live our days, how we feel that their actions we have and
something about that little rock that started
Give me aware of I get to choose how they respond to literally everything, and I
can't control everything that's going on in the world. I can control these situations in this area
since may not even be what I think they re not like when you send a text to somebody
don't respond, you like I'm a guy there, Madame any go off in your hand. I wanted. I do your own world spent upside down when in reality, maybe they never wear, and so just meditation has helped me focus and Honan the skills to be able to let the dumb stuff go and let the worries go and
more accepting of my situation and also be able to respond
in the way that I want. Do you still get caught up. Oh yeah Vanessa
even over the course of five years. I'm getting way better at
letting it ran the risk for as long as it is,
you know it's like. Maybe I'll get spent,
for a day now, maybe I'm spun out for like ten minutes or a half hour or whatever
when I am taking better care of myself
my mind and my body that its much easier for me to live and like a good state of homeostasis much more of my conversation with
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reading about you that you had a horrible experience of you had a boyfriend who did the same sport and he died you're watching yeah yeah
like it it's funny when we have these things happen to us in life, in their pursuit of as really hot
a horrible are tragic and it's not the they aren't that they for sure are, but I think they are
greatest. Challenges are always where our greatest gives come. It's always right greatest lessons come and yeah that experience of yeah watching him take this far,
that later you know he succumb to from it
the leading he ended up passing away a couple days later and you're watching I based my
so the basin and in the nose also there in the hospital when he passed away-
and it was yet a crazy experience. I've ve never had any like really close brush up with death before and I would
say that really started my journey of awaken
or a really being like. Ok,
How do I want to live in life? In our way
Think we all have those moments where it's like some of the companies
this will require it
the time here is by night and we all kind of realise we're, not invincible at some point.
And it is now one of the hardest and
artists and most best and beautiful thing.
Never happen in it totally set me on the course to be the person that I am now beautiful because of the realignment provoke yeah
yeah I mean we always have the opportunity. Knowing in these hard situations of lake, are you gonna? Let it it's important to be able to experience.
Famine of emotions in grief and all of that, but to be able to take those silver linings and take the little
than Nuggets a learning out an and know what they are in our on the other side, and you don't know it when you're in it usually, but it interesting I did not get you too well, doesn't appear to have gotten to rethink. You know the whole scheme thing in the dangers therein well
it definitely, you know, made me question skiing, a lot for sure. Yeah
and I think a question that gets asked a law is, like you know these things
you do, or these things we do and are they worth dying for, and I think that that's the wrong question. I think the more interesting question is what do you live for, unlike what makes you thrive like what makes you really really a hundred per cent beast stoked on
I'm here and when I explored that I realized that skiing to me is such a fundamental part of my life, at least for now that it's what I live for, and I think it's, what a lot of people live for. It's why we choose to do this. You know that's what makes us like live
gender politics of what you do is definitely a male dominated field, but I think, as with everything- and I want to say the tides returning, but I think-
we're finding a really beautiful balance and I've been a product of that all of my successes are
largely due to my mentor as which were all man. You know they took me under their wing and there are super gracious
awesome and carrying and kind and soften just
everything you could ever want a teacher and enter to be, I hope to provide that to both
the men and women that follow after me, but yeah we're seeing we're seeing more
more women kind of come into more important roles in like ski films and stuff
So now I hear alive from, I think it's unisex, but I hear it personally. This is unscientific, but I hear more from
the women in my life and my friends, my family members and people I mentor this can have
doubt slash impostor syndrome, even as they have been something wrestled with yeah for sure I. So if I M using
Nuclear saying you feel, like you hear a little more from the women's. I then from the men, jug
I mean women have just it yeah. We we
think differently. We have different, you know and just society. The structure for how we're supposed to act and being in a move through life is different, and I think that women have a lot.
Of self doubt, and that that's one of the major things that holds us back and it's really interesting. I think
we see women in the world at large, and you see another woman success. I feel like there's two potentials that happen: one,
that women realize that
oh well, woman is capable of other women can do that lake in my career,
I've, seen women, skiing change and has been really
What to see women be like. Oh, what that's possible. Ok, I can do that. You know, and that's one way, to get over the self doubt as to realise that it can be done and in a week we tend to limit ourselves on two singing. I can't do that
but the other thing that can happen in this is that the more negative thing I think women are taught to be competitive with
other and one woman, success means another woman's failure and instead
I'm looking at it as when one woman does really well. It raises us all. You know, like a rising tide, lifts all ships instead of oh shoot. She just did so good. Now, I'm to look extra bad, you know, but that's how we're trained in society at large and Hugh
way is kind of from this scarcity. Mentality re like there's not enough spots for all of us. If she gets it, if she does really well then
now there's not enough room for me to shine or do great and that's totally false, is so interesting because, like with man, I'm speaking my own experience here were certainly we have the capacity to be venomous Lee competitive, no motion about then.
Viciously competitive but I'll think about engender terms
like all well here and now that
see that a man can do this thing. You know, I don't think we fall into that line of thinking as much because of the way society is restructured. I would imagine
yeah. I think so, and I think women are we
for some reason. I don't know if it's like a societal structure or just the way that were wired but yeah. We we sort of have this governor of lake. Oh, I can't do that or that's not possible or
Sometimes I think it's the way that we raise our our kids, like. I grew up
in a family where we were living in us,
resort and then in the summer, as we would rent our apartment not live in travel out of his van and do these two week, backpacking trips narrow, really like long backpacking trips, my parents repeated one of em like
a couple some years ago, and now I can't believe we did that when you guys were eight. I was insane and it was just this pro
says of it wasn't like. Oh, you don't have to do that, cause you're a girl or like it was.
Dumbing anything down for me. You know because I was a girl. It was just like we're a family, doing the things and because my pain,
Raise me that way. Now, when I move into situations, I dont think
we want to see that lie in Munich is like the boys can do that.
But I think I maybe I should go a little bit lower like I've been able to kind of bust through that thinking and it still bear sometimes it selfish
but I think that mentality of raising your kids, where you are now
Deming anything down, you're, not making exceptions, is their girls. I think we kind of think we always have to do that and we don't women are capable of so much more than we think they. I guess I think the role of parents in particular in some ways, maybe maybe debts to end in an parenting, is incredibly important. I have friends who have daughters, who I've heard talk about this. I have a son.
Doesnt seem to lack confidence, but yeah wanted one of the videos I saw you you talk about self doubt and as a blocker and we ve just
divided little, and I wonder, if can meditation be used
there in that. It would allow you to see the self doubt come up and see. Well, that's just that's just a story totally
yeah! I was listening to your podcast castles, bernay round him and her life. You know the story
I'm telling you that all the time it also expected season raising but yeah totally
agonizing these these things come up in meditation as just stories that you're telling yourself.
And having, I think them the hard part. It's not
Actually recognising the self doubt its. Knowing that your capable,
and worthy beyond that. You know it's like allotted time. Self doubt comes out because of it
in deeper fear. Worry that you know I'm not get enough, not not that good stuff, I'm not
lovable enough or I'm kind of a faker at this it. You know one ever. Those stories are and having the kindness towards yourself to like
One of my favorite lines is just like begin again like every day begin again and can sometimes I have
rate day, and I'm skiing well or whatever in life, is going well and maybe I'll make a big mistake or a foe bar whatever and just
being able to be lake at any moment. You can just start over any day you can start over and having that kindness and that softness with yourself when you trying to work through like some of your deep,
hang ups, that's where the rubber really meets the rude and meditation helps to cultivate those tools of how to walk out path forward. But it's not easy. How does this mindset and practice impact you when you get injured,
its huge ray, I think anyone that has ever had an injury or surgery era, something we have had to take time off work.
Normal activities. It is
ex your identity in an unexpected ways, not just because you can't do the things you
wanna do anymore or maybe hang out beyond, hang out with
For some reason, it really makes you question who you are in a deeper when there's this process of
we're having to really like deal with an identity crisis that an injury bring
up and having those tools is lake, so hugely helpful. I just had a second I've only had to injuries early in my whole life, and I'm just coming back for my second one in this time has been so much easier and I totally think it's because of these tools. The right of, if I can't ski,
my view wasn't as deep yeah. I think also we really identify in western society with like the things that we do, especially for work. You know, or our activities are Hobbes and you know that
Eric classic question when you go somewhere and they like us, the way you do it, I'm usually fuel responded the job, and I think that in so funny that that's like how
We identify ourselves is not like what do you love me? What feels year, whether we do you see we're passionate rallied? Those are the questions we ask those in our identities, and so
oh being able to be like okay. Well, who am I at something? This is
the weird thought exercise, but it's like. If I were to
be severely bird
your Paralyzer in this action that stripped away everything that I know myself to do like. Who would I be you know, and how would I want
people to see me, how do I want to be in the world and who is that person? And I do that thought exercise a? Why have you come up with? Well? It's
is ever changing and I hope to be a person. That's
Lee carrying and warm in. I will, I hope, to be a person that people know they can come to me with
Consider ailing mammary bothering them and just know that I will
them and hear them and offer a deep, deep friendship. You know that, for me, that's really important, but it has nothing to do with ski fake. My great Britain, where exactly that's the point, I think when people ask you what you do definitely should revert back to the generalised bad as a factor in a work, and if it doesn't work, don't blame me. That's what I said. I want to ask you. Oh yeah, climate YO looking ensure Instagram feed. You talk about this a lot as interesting
you also struggle with self doubt here. We ve been times wondering if you're on a plane does that make you a hypocrite noon, setter, etc. I love to hear more about all of that. Why you're so passionate about this issue and what your nails of wide and how the hang ups come up in this sphere too. Well, I guess to start out to adjust the first party
listen with no climate change and how I got into an array of carers. It's a pretty basic story.
Of growing up in the mountains, growing up at a ski resort. Over the course of my life, I've seen the winters change
and you know I've seen the fires in the west-
really bad have seen the droughts and I spend a lot of time.
I spent a lot of time yeah like living
Van and and backpacking in the mountain sides. This sort of how this not so much anymore. No but-
when I eat. Until I was sixteen yeah, we wooden, we wouldn't have an apartment
somebody from the last day of school to the first day of school, we're in the mountains. What did your folks do? My dad was a ski patrol.
And my mom taught one room schoolhouse in the winter, seven different kids, seven different curriculums is she's there, both amazingly and
so, basically a lifestyle around how to make it work living in the mountains.
And when you have when you're in these environments or situations, I'm sure maybe people have it with cities or different places, but I have it with the natural environment and you can feel the changes and you can see the changes and also seeing you no photos from when my parents are going up
type sooner. They used to have and then also now
flying in Alaska. No, I spend a lot of time round glaciers and seeing the photos alike like fifteen years ago. This is really
Sure isn't here it is now it's it's really sobering, an eye
cared about the environment actually want to go into school for environmental policy.
And I ended up dropping out of school, the view a pro and kind of moving more towards doing all the
things that I learned why we shouldn't do like you know, getting a snowmobile and a truck and flying around in helicopters and leaving this highly consumptive. You know, travel rich life and I didn't wasn't necessarily passionate about climate change in school. I just knew that.
We need some better policies enacted in order for us to not trash the home.
We live on, and climate
You found me because I'm my professional skiing career, pretty naturally with I, have inauthentic voice to speak to it at large, and so I've worked with this organ,
She called citizens, climate lobby and another organisation, called protect our winters and could have gotten into some advocacy with that and been able to. You know lobbied in Capitol Hill interest.
Different and cool conversations with our policy makers, because you,
coming autumn is another environmental, obvious you're coming out of his like this philosophy
videos that year like well, this is the stuff. They were really seeing. The people have been doing for fifty years, like its sobering, to say the least, so
Nor do I care that's how I got into the climate change stuff and was a second prettier question. So interesting from we were talking about self doubt and just look re used around feed that the passion for the cause comes through and so do sometimes, your loved ass hang ups yoga
I think I would venture. I feel it there's probably very very few people out there who don't have self doubt around.
I should be doing more. What can I be doing more, especially regarding you know, climate change.
Being sustainable having a Larry carbon footprint. Well, I would also say further than that I dont know many people who don't have self doubt for yeah yeah, although interesting way I was, I was having led digression, serve at us
having I'm really interested in the issue of impostor syndrome. Gaza has something my wife has contending with. My wife is like incredibly highly trained academic physician behind yet has really struggle with this, which it on paper, makes no sense to her
and so it's something it's on my mind quite event, and I was having lunch with two guys. I know my age, Philip, lay forties early fifties guys successful.
Eyes, and I told them something about my dog is working on this thing about it.
Something about purchase syndrome? German, one of the guys you know,
have imposture syndrome tulip anything I'm doing that's south of king of the world. I feel like an imposter.
Finally, I me realize how we are talking about it. No no he's
if I'm not care the world, if I'm doing anything that less than that, I'm an impostor. In other words, he has the opposite.
Oh yeah, thinks he's so great that, if he's not
everybody is running around do what he says, then any old iconoclastic
Not everyone has gathered them. We will never do not. Yes, I think most people they looked at them deriving. My friend was kidding. So I don't know picking on you
for having self doubt sized ones
clear about that end and for sure self doubt around any major cause
I too have, in the face of climate changes its hard to grasp the thing. It's so big yam that yeah that we all struggle with. What can we do here
I mean that's like the ultimate question right now rain. If we had the great answer than we were private in view of this mess, so I guess
on social media. It's really role we're living in a crazy time right now with technology,
social media and the rapid spread of information,
and for me
it's been really important to just Chan live my process. As on
see invulnerable as possible through my social media accounts as man evenly,
being a kid growing up. Nowadays, I can't imagine you try,
figure out who you are and now you have you know all this stuff in you
to grant feed of everyone. That's you know posting about their best life,
not their real aim and in others
Angela Way, the best thing that happened. It's just like kind of all surface and it's all a facade, and so when I try and do is post about my real process and
yeah. I have a lot of self doubt, especially around. How do I care
while the environment and live my life
same time and do the ends of being an advocate being able to lobby with these politicians and capital
Oh it's requires usually flying or at a really do the ends justify the means. You know. I wouldn't have this platform and this voice and this career, if it wasn't for helicopters and so mobiles and ski lift,
and all this travel right. So it's built this career that I have now and now it's like. Okay, am I supposed to do just totally train walk away from those things
or do I keep living them and is trained labour taper it down. And what does that look like? You know, we're all grappling with our own issue of the same thing. You know it's like in order for any material to get to you, whether it's your metal, coffee cup or whatever you like it all requires fossil fuels that we're locked into a fossil fuel based society, and I think, having self
and feeling like a hypocrite, because you want to care about, you feel like you're. Not doing enough is like a really common thing that I encountered
the people and trying to normalize it and move past that self doubt part and the shaming part
not using energy towards second guessing yourself or criticising other people, but having
the positive accountability and make offering solutions.
You now being like yeah. I shall go with that too,
and here's some things that I found there are working pretty great you known having more of this like collaborative approach, instead of like the finger pointing in some
says doing now, but on their backs
they're doing matter would ever like it's important trade.
You know, live as to walk the walk as much as you can, but not waste Alice, frivolous
you like bickering on forums arrival, I got start putting our heads together, like we don't have time to victory on the same side anywhere guys. You know I have so many thoughts about that of any them it. Nobody will be able to hold it into a question, but also about two things. You see, if any event lunch for you, but you know I think about this too
night there's been debate in the dormer teacher community, the boot meditation teacher community. Some teachers will not teach anywhere if required, getting on a plane and others are of the view. Well, the
second, we flying anywhere Rizzo. My getting on doesn't makes the problem worse, and I can see that from both sides were. I think, above my stopped eating animal products couple years ago, one almost two years ago, and now there s going to change everything. I do think. Maybe if you know a huge percentage of the planet's stopped eating, cheeseburgers would because cheeseburgers or what are causing deforestation in the house
big driver of deforestation, but you know I, my friend, J Michaelson, who is also boost,
Ro Day, we have a temperate happier blog
male newsletter and heap. He wrote something a while ago and he said that the debate about
What can I do in some way misses the point that it actually really about huge structural change. That needs neither happened. It's almost like the thing you can do is vote for candidates.
Take it seriously, who then the file they all say as that and I've reference this before. I think I'm on the show but Jonathan friends and is a scam, Maisie writer who wrote a novel called the corrections fifteen twenty years ago, those group it's like a comic book and he wrote a piece in the new Yorker recently sang. Actually it's worse than they're telling us who bad things are going to happen and we have really avoided
and I asked- is right about that. But his thesis was it's worse than the telling us and the way to do something about it is to get involved in your local community and be good citizen in volunteer, because that's what we're going to need when the crap it's the fat interesting there is any
resolute yeah all of it going I'll that that resonates. If everybody listening, I think that this is like
the modern paradigm of how we grapple with living this society and not pummeling torrents arising c and burning for us, and all of that
So one of the organisation that I work with citizens, climate lobby, has helped me a lot with viewing and in their eyes
amazing. Basically, there introducing they introduce a piece, a legislature that its
urban fee in dividend programme. Basically, it puts a price on carbon and it's like a market driven approach to starting to have our economy shift away from fossil
feels more towards renewables, its anyone listening. I really encourage you to check it out because I think putting a price on car
it is one of the only ways fired in these guys are doing a great job and they have local chapters that you can get involved with. What they helped me with was
bring out what your lover is. I, like the community part that you said just fur win
stuff goes down at large that you have a role to play in your community and all
figuring out what a leverage is for climate change and are you well connected? You know
as social media, or do you work with certain companies that could instigate change but figuring out what your lever is and how do you like pushed out and move that is really important. You know, because for a lot of us, it's like yeah election,
people also calling into Congress and letting them know. This is an issue care about every time. I've gone there all the Congress
I'll say we now hear enough from people that in other really concerned about climate change, so that every time that's pretty sobering, so even just everyone's, while taking a two minute phone call and is being
Hey that's. My name is where I live. I'm concerned about climate change, and I really appreciate, but whatever it is, it can be super easy and quick that,
really great one and voting with your dollars and supporting companies because, really, like you, said as a huge structural shifting that needs to happen and
money speaks, and companies are the ones that are really. You know that can
of the needle, especially with politics, as we all know so, working with whatever kind.
Please you can in whatever way you can is another great way in closing two questions. One is: is there something I should have asked, but I didn't there's some like topic. You were added to talk about and I felt it
haven't, I don't think so I don't think so
in agreement? If you ever think of something we I
Why didn't you Harris and then? Finally,
for people who want to learn more about you. Where can we do then
internet. Can you kind of do a little self promotion? Yeah? Well,
I think, probably the most interesting thing for people to check out as just my instagram page at Angel Collinson, and I think you know just like a google search of my name and just the videos that pop up that will give anyone a pretty good idea of like who I am and
there is a lot of random stuff out their job. You're gonna worry about her when you understand you crazy,
is really funders to child and chat. You thank thanks again to Josh for making this happen
actually, I think, uses so enjoy over the thanks to angel. I was that was fun. Conversation
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