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and little format change corridors, Angeles Phd, one of the nation's leading authorities on school choice and home schooling is with us, because you know I'm very passionate about this subject good, to see a quarry thanks. So much for me so a lot of people reached out does because they heard me talking about it a lot and there like well, this guy Corey knows more than anybody. So, let's talk to him. And so here we are and I'm so He joined us. You know first things first, I dont have a dog in this fight. I think everyone. You know I've heard, I've said like hey: we have to end the lock down. People go, that's cause you're rich now not because I'm rich, because I'm rich and I work we should stay lockdown it doesn't. It doesnt affect me or my family, and this is enough.

You do with me I've two kids there in the ninth grade that go to very good school and it's all for because I live in a nice neighborhood so that there's no dog in the fight. I do not know anyone who lives in the inner cities being affected by this sum simply trying to weigh the evidence. Jansky choices. Similarly and equalizer, because Bridge Party have sold choices for delivering the neighborhoods that tend to be residential assigned to the best quorum quote traditional public schools, and they can already afford the pad a pocket for private school to issue in fees and pay for the costs associated with home based education funding students directly. This idea of school choice allows for more equality and that allows less advanced families to take advantage of private school to issue an invasion

to access home based education as well, and I just like to remind everybody at the beginning of these kinds of conversations that that's how I defines what choice its funding students instead of institutions. Like we do with so many other taxpayer funded initiatives. Already, like Paul grants in the g I bill for higher education that funding and go to a residential assigned government run school. Regardless of your choice. It goes to an individual student and students can choose a public or private university of their choosing. We do the same thing with Pre K. Programmes for the funding goes to the family and you can choose a public or private providers sampling with food stamps. We dont residency, assign low income, families to government, run grocery stores and tell them that they must use their food stamps particular institution. You can choose Walmart hopeful trader, Jos, and I can keep going out and I with examples, but we do this in. Many other areas. Why don't? We do with Kate had education to be children are the future.

I don't know why I do now Obviously you know I know I want to listen to me now, so I live in LOS Angeles. LOS Angeles, is probably you in a way that I, people live in nice neighborhood to have nice public schools and their kids go to the nice public schools then there are, the people whose he'll live a nice neighborhoods. Maybe like the Hollywood hills or something like that, but the school near to them, socks and so they won't let their kids go to those schools. So those people either I a house in the nice neighborhood with a good school stem and they move their or They just send their kids to private school, that's how it works and then there's a third drag up, which is a big deal, which happened when my kids were going to grades, for while, which is this scam where people

use. Other people's address is or get it apart. And somewhere or duty version of that, so they can get a mailing address in a decent system and a decent district, and then they can send their kids that those schools which are then always overcrowded, because it's not just the people that are living around there. It's the people that are for buying their information. Is one of the reasons why I don't really like to call traditional schools court on core public schools, because you're not public, like a public park where everybody can access the particular institution. If you don't live in the region could you you're not going to be able to get into the the best public school, so your zip code can determines your school, unlike it doesnt other publicly provided services, but they'd these traditional public schools discriminate on the basis of zip code, there more accurately described as governments schools, because their government run government the government regulated government assigned and they're, not any really public in any meaningful.

and so the word? On the other hand, charter schools, you not residential assigned to them and said they're, usually open to anyone Who who wishes to attend a myth, there's enough spots available? What is the push back, I mean obviously the truthful push back is Democrats are against this, which is so I find it so amusing that they Democrats are against choice you know demanded out it's a mean. Should it be like this: the first one, the first schooled voice programmes, the United States in Milwaukee them nor Occupant Choice programme and nineteen nineties when it started. where was supported by a democratic Polly Williams, it really should be a partisan issue, because school choice leads to more equity, leads to more competition, LISA, more empowerment of individual families. But then you start to think about the power dynamic when it comes to the teachers, unions and the parties that the teacher genes tend to donate to. If you look at the American Federation for teachers, for example,

second largest teachers, union and the United States. Ninety nine point two and nine, on that amount point two point: four percent goes to a democratic candidates, and so it might be why there's a disconnect between the theory as to why everybody support support it and then what we're seeing on the ground, where particular parties are lesson yeah. Well, I was saying my producer earlier today we're living. In a bizarre time, which is people take these subjects Paul These, like school choice, are what have you and then they reverse engineer them to turn them into something political which is, I love competition. I dont want there. To be a government taco, and I don't there to be a government car, because we all can imagine what that car and that taco would be like all right. So I'm for competition, because I believe

in competition it ups everyone's game, it's the tide that raises all bout. So then say I'm for school choice and I've always been for school choice on for everything choice and then its point it becomes clear that the Democrats are school choice and there in bed with it teachers unions, and then people can it mean they go out some Republican talking point no, you got to that act. I already announced what I'm for that will show It's an insane to two politicize it or to graft some politics do it when most but just arrived at that conclusion naturally and then find out later that it has something to do with politics. What like to point out the logical inconsistency is for people who support other programmes that fund individuals directly, but then they dont support it when it

the key to twelve, for example. All these other things I listed food stamps, Medicaid, section, eight housing vouchers, pre, K Programmes, Pell Grants in the G8 all of those programmes. The money goes to people and people having in the matter, and you don't have to support those programmes or be against this program right think everybody can realise If we're going to have that money taken from the taxpayer, it might as well get people instead of two to dirt directly to the government institution. and so what was interesting is a lot of people who support funding the student directly when it comes to pre K and higher energy. Listen, don't support it in the end between years from Katy when the only reason I can come up with is the difference in power structure when at these different levels of education, when it comes to pre, gay and higher, Education the norm, as we already have a high degree of choice when it comes to Katy twelve there's an entrenched special interests that profits off of getting your children's education dollars, regardless of

how well they meet their needs and in this year, regardless of whether even when their doors for business. The others, also something that's a little bit even more nefarious, which is the public schools one to dictate the curricula and they feel like that is be especially out here in California, as is in fact a super progressive. Saying curriculum and they went control that and if they feel like it give it away- and I know it's insane, but Oh some of that charter. Schools is like our. I will let you have a charter school, but here's what you're allowed to say This is insane it's very. by the way, all these assholes that are constantly talking about Mccarthyism. Does that feel? a little bit like me, If he is unlike ok, you can have your own school. You can pick your own school, but here's gonna be the curriculum

the United States was founded in sixteen nineteen when the first slave ship landed here so there is also a part worth not freedom, its that's, not so much about tat. You know taking money away or this or that of the school teachers unions, but there's all of this to me sort of scary orwellian curriculum that they want to dictate is well. Oh yeah. That's one of the other biggest arguments in favour of schools. is that you can have a school that your residential assigned to that looks good on paper. That has high test scores, but you could still if your child being subject to a certain type of political indoctrination which no family should have to put up with that. You should act to fund that and you can add to send your child to a school where you feel like there being politically and dark aided and let's face it. The people who are don't have an option to get out of that system. Right now are the people who are the least advantage in society. The more advantage can look at this

scenario and say: ok, warm gonna pay for a private school out of pocket. The weight to remedy that and saw that inequity is to fund the student directly to allow other people too. just private schools, and this is another reason why I charter schools are somewhat kind of like at the half way point between traditional public schools and private schools. Discharge was on paper are still public, but they can be apparently run, but they are dead. You tend to be highly regulated from the government, just not as much as the government run schools. They also walk out on both sides of their mouth because they say, You know these inner city, schools in Baltimore and parts all over the world, Tree or failing that failing, the black kids are failing the brown kids, their failing, miserably and then we go Ok, well how about a choice and they go now now

going back to the school that they announced was failing that they present did over for the last fifty years, so their school district, the fuckin. is failing and you guys have the temerity to explain its failing constantly and then explain. We are against any alternatives now what we say we want more money yet why? I don't draw a straight line between more money and more education. Can you talk about that? Yes, I can talk about that and yes, this is what the other side calls for all the time that you should be able to choose. Your school would just throw more and more money into the system, do the same thing over and over again and expect different results here, the textbook deafened definition of insanity, because in the United States we increased per pupil education expenditures

adjusting for inflation by two hundred and eighty per cent, since one thousand nine hundred and sixty since one thousand nine hundred and eighty, that number is increased by about one hundred percent and eighteen, ninety with increased these expenditures per pupil in real terms by about forty percent. there are more and more money into the system outcomes don't get any better and when you look at where the money is going when they throw more money into the public school system, as it goes towards administrative blow and staffing surges, it doesn't even go to hire teacher salaries most of the time I'm so the teachers are kind of complaint, about low salaries, and they complain about tuna having to pay for supplies out of pocket. I kind of your little bad for them.

Because when you look at the trends over time, the monies just going to administrators and support staff not to the classroom, but that's a problem with the incentive structure in the public schools is not a problem with their competition. In fact, all five studies that have seen on the topic that look at the effects of charter and private spoke competition on public school teacher salaries. All five of those studies find that the public schools actually start to pay the teachers more in. sponsor that competition because they start to scratch. There had a little bit and start to realize warfare and spend the money wisely on the teachers, while we're gonna lose more students and more funding. So, like you said earlier, competitions a rising tide of saw boats, it helps families but also helps teacher sue. Yeah and I've talked to arm, I once had dad doktor drew. I think we had Damn Barbara Box. I think she was interviewing and he said any questions for Barbara boxer and I should be out what let's talk about charters.

let's talk about school choice, what about it and then she and her daughter above condescendingly, said all that so nineteen nine, these are so ten years old, like talking point which, Look there liars, so they're stupid of their stupider Superman liars. I dont know what I don't know what they are. They didn't want to dress it. Please make a code, point about why you think public schools are better than private. Schools are sorry and charter schools or school choice are vouchers for, but of course, in the super condescending way, they just dismiss you and shut you down. Oh it's interesting as they do try to change the conversation to be all about funding when we ve done that done that done in the U S. On, on average, we spend over fifteen thousand dollars per child per year in see where I live. They spend over thirty one thousand dollars per child per year in the public school system. Meanwhile, the charter schools in the places that

Do you intend to get about thirty, three percent less than the traditional public schools? Yet you have Thousands and thousands of families on weight lists trying to get in the charter schools despite having them having less funding on a per. people basis self it's about money. Why are so many families trying to escape the well funded school? Still less well funded schools. You see the same thing in the deceive out your programme. The voucher kids only get about ten thousand dollars per year, whereas the DC public schools get about triple that amount and they get about the same. Are better outcomes in the private sector say ah well, there's a kind of a bottom line which, as you know, people vote with their feet and their wallets, and it's like when we never see Talking about a systemically racist country and how we're so races from our press them. Ok, Is there a long line of brown and black people dying to get into this country? If, in fact, that's true and if these charter schools are no good, wiser waiting list. Yet

When we talk about systemic racism, you can kind of link that to the public school monopoly and having this residential assignment. If you kind of look at the maps in places like allay and throughout the country, the discriminatory. I read lining practices in the nineteen thirty's, those maps kind of here the the district boundaries that we have today, and this is why we have such segregated traditional public schools, and allow families to get away from that system? The best way to do it is again school choice, and if you look at charter schools, which I, which I think What you are getting that getting at the. If you look at the national data from the National Centre for Education statistics charter, schools have higher proportion of lower incomes, students and also higher proportions of minority students in D C, for example the vow

programme out here, the average household income is about twenty seven thousand dollars per year and the students about ninety five percent of the students using the programme out here in D c r a fine as black or hispanic. So how does the alternative? Will this call at schools I dont mean alternative, but I just mean, like you, know, schools weakening vouchers and charged goals and things like that. How do they stack up academically to their public school peers?. at the latest. The most comprehensive Meda analysis on the evidence of charter schools is published in a book called school choice at the crossroads in twenty nineteen. It's a chapter by Julian bets and Emily Tang to California, based research,

yours and they did a maid analysis of about forty different of the most rigorous studies on the topic and they find that access to charter schools in the? U S tend to produce about two to three percent of a standard deviation, higher math and reading test scores, which is about to attend a twenty additional days of learning. So a pretty substantial positive impact, and if you look at the private school choice evidence there are seven. Team, gold, standard evaluations based the United States. The majority of those studies find that winning a lottery to use of private pulled out. Your programme leads to higher academic outcomes for students and only two of the seventeen fine negative effects. But nothing like to point out is not everything is measured by a standardized test as well:

if you look at the evidence when it comes to academic attainment like Highschool graduation in college, graduation, the avenues tells me much more positive in favour of school choice. If you look at things like crime reduction and a teenage pregnancy reduction is much more favourable to swore choice. If you look at things like civic engagement, intolerance of others, while these non academic outcomes tend to produce huge positive benefits, four swore tracer set recipients and I'll just hit on one study from DC. Since they talked about an earlier, the ran. Simon Evaluation in D C, the most recent one in twenty nineteen winning a lottery to attend a private school in D C was associated with no difference in matter reading test wars at a third of the cost, but then huge positive impacts on reports of set safety reports of satisfaction and attend

So what's your take on schools being shut down? I'm in California everything's been shut down. Schools have been shut down in out their study after study that says, kids, don't really get it if they do doesn't really fact them also they dont transmitted. Most the teachers are under fifty there, not a danger sound what What do you believe behind shutting down the schools and then what yeah. What's the effect of it now three studies on the top, finding that their places with stronger teachers unions are significantly less likely to reopen their schools for in person instruction. I did the first study on this a couple of months ago with the MIT Crystal Priestess Mc Treatise then, to other studies. Replicator results in other areas that wasn't really surprising to us, because this is what the u

I have been calling for over and over again over the past couple of months to keep these schools closer in person instruction, and it makes sense from a rational cost benefit decisionmaking standpoint for them to call for this right, because there stand that they could not have to go to work for a person instruction while still getting the same benefits in terms of job security and pet and pay at the same time So this is what we see in urban pushing for keeping this was closed, and this is what the three studies on the topic find and, as you noted, the the scientific evidence also suggested that children are really spreading the virus ass, doktor found. She just said this a couple of days ago on ABC News. In our view, Governor Cuomo is admitted this. The plaza minute admitted this

data at a brown university from the economist, Emily Austria has been tracking that the two children are less likely to have a case rate that Meares the overall community, suggesting that schools are adding to the community transmission So the science is saying that we should it be closing the schools and we probably have done a lot of harm to the students for keeping the sorcery longed for such a long time. I I agree. So what is potential now with the boy coming in trumps Secretary of Education, Betsy Divorce was all pro voucher and an charter schools and all that kind of stuff, and then not, I think, Biden made a debt oration that he was gonna, get rid of that office I love you. I love when eleven politician go you you, you won't even where

we're going to raise your taxes and we're going to get rid of charter. Schools of thank you, your highness. Well, that'll four utopia, that's gonna, be awesome than that help the young brown and black kids- absolutely not here in these either for the students were using. The deceive out. Your programme is one of the biggest risks here, because this is a federal district, and so the federal government could theory get rid of that programme. Them sobbing over a thousand students here in the district, but another thing on the school reopening debated. I want to point out that, with other industries, like your grocery store, doesn't reopen is gonna hold national debate right, you can just say: ok, we're not gonna shop at Walmart, anymore, Is there not open, and then I got a trader Jos, her whole foods. I similar argue that if your local school doesn't reopen, you should be able to take your children's education dollars elsewhere. Then I wanna be a whole initially one way or that over the other should be opened. The schools are should be closed, the schools but yeah.

With Joe Biden coming in, there have been two separate reports, one from a politico another from Washington Post. About his ideas for the new education to secretary. There have been three talk, names floated, one of whom was Darling Hammond, who was a professor emeritus at Stanford University surety No, I'm not gonna. Do it. Even if you offered to me the other to earth tote closely tied to the teachers union one being Randy Wine garden, the current president of the American Federation for teachers and, in the other, being Lily S, Wilson, Garcia, the former presidents of the National Education Association, which is that the biggest teachers union and also the biggest Labour union period. The United States, I'm so it could be. One of them are just based on these conversations that had been flooded with the Biden Administration and there

calling for a lot of ridiculous things. Like D funding charter schools like taking away all federal funding from charter schools, if therefore profit charter, schools or if they are, they put him, put, don't provide results, but at the same time they said that if the public's a traditional public schools fail we need with wages it. I just need to give them more money, whereas the tyrannical we're gonna take all their money away. They said, then, the same interview, buttons national policy director, I'm glad the rapporteur actually pressed them on that, but, Biden, as you said, has also been quoted, is to say what, if I'm, when I'm President Betsy Divorces whole notion from charter source to this are gone. He also voted against the DC about your programme and ninety ninety seven, when he was a senator so sat looking good for school choice under abide in administration, but what I am optimistic about is that only about eight to nine percent of education funding at the cape to twelve level. It comes from the federal gut,

So he could do a lot of damage to charter schools by making out of individual choice was close. You got a business from taking their federal funding and he could give her the DC voucher programme with which would be a problem. But as far as like private school voucher programmes, most of the action that we see happening is that the state level, for example in Ohio they just past day a bill expanding their bout, your programme by twenty five percent, but remember nobody, loves the little black kids, like Biden, buddy lot. That party loves the little black kids in the little brown kids. They love him can trot amount and use them to get loud, but then, after that parties over their done well where are we with Homesick

now, maybe you don't know much about homes, schooling and I don't know what you know about homes going, but it appears to me that, with this whole covered shot down, bull shit that we're doing with this with the schools with them. fucked up curriculum, we're getting out of the schools with this voucher stuff. Feels like more and more people are gonna opt into this homes, schooling- and you know- and I think. may turn into a little cottage industry, in which case, if it does, the government's gonna want to shut it down and then we're gonna have a Ruby ridge type situation on our hands. But it appears to me that more families are thinking about that option and then they're gonna start doing like they're. Gonna start involving more kids, it one home and, secondly, an individual home schooling thing, but will be like possibly a network of her. schools. What's your take on that,

that's overseeing already in the data. If you look at the latest the gallop survey nationally representative survey just a couple of months ago, they estimate that the public school system will see an exodus of about three and a half million students decimated that there will be a seven percentage point drop in the proportion of children in national public schools in the U S, but they also asked about home schooling and they they estimate that there will be a doubling of homes going before the pandemic about three percent of the school age. Population was homes going. So, if you take their estimate, thou be about six percent of the school age pocket John Holmes going and then also edge. Choice has been doing national representative surveys every month since March, just asking a based on your experience with home based education as result of covered nineteen. How do you feel about homes going now

each survey every single month has found that families are now reporting that their over twice ass, likely to say that there are now more favourable of homes going as opposed to saying that there now less favourable of homes going and if you look at individual states that had been reporting this data, we ve been seen just applications and filings for homes going just going through the roof. For example, the most recent data came out of Massachusetts. Their homespun filings are up about eight hundred percent from the same time last year, in their private school filings have gone up about. Eighty percent from the same last year in taxes, homespun filings have gone up by two hundred and eighty percent, and we ve seen similar numbers all across the country, interesting gum, I'm trying to make sense of this current climate wherein- and I have always had this thought- have expressed it to doktor- drew quite a few times and have said it into this microphone witches

there's a sort of unintended circumstance to a lot of the actions that are going on right now and that it did take place on many in many different venues, so on one hand, I feel see a man themselves in the fourth because they lost all credibility. I asked people around here, just sort of informally like if you saw story on CNN five years ago, what would you think and they go? I think that's what's the story What would you think now and they go out, go look it up to see. If I could find the rest of the story are the real story. They fuck themselves up with their own credibility because it two fuckin partisan and they done their job as a news organization. I believe twitter we'll give birth has given birth to parlor because they ve been too tight fisted into partisan and to political with their with with what they're, letting on their platform and

I I believe in- and I believe of many politicians like gave a new some in our city. They ve all shut themselves in the foot to no one's gonna. Listen anything gave a new Gavin nuisance considered a fucking clown. Now he wasn't a clown, before this I mean I knew he was a clown, but the populist you know he's a joke, no one's gonna. Listen to him anymore. Most of these city, mayors and governors, their jokes now and see an end, is a joke in Twitter is a joke in people and if you don't want give me I said to you: ago, if you John. I tunes top one hundred cast, there was no conservative podcast on there may be bent Shapiro. Now ten out of ten twenty or conservative I said yes, you will give birth this other thing. If you keep with your partisan bullshit and you teachers, unions and governors and mares you shutting down all the school systems. That's great now,

there's a cottage industry, your creating huh schooling now you're going to lose a lot easier constituency, because they're gonna fuckin home. You you! Let them do an experiment. You said stay home and learn calm. You didn't have to the school had it been opened the whole time, but you decreed, they must stay home, so they stayed home and a lot of our getting used to it. And it's the same thing. Taking place in business in a lot of people are kind of realising that I have to go into the office, likened to stay home, get my work done, and my computer, my bathrobe or go full Jeffrey turban either way be careful if you ask for because you asked wipes created this. How to teach her genes in this sense overplayed their hands they weren't. They probably didn't think that families are actually going to take the next step in and roll their children from the public school system. Now they're saying that all these families are leaving and sense, schools are found based on enrollment, counts, they're losing millions and millions of dollars, and so I think they might be rethinking that in some places

and if you look at the latest survey from real clear opinion, research families are actually much more likely to support small choice initiatives. Now I think it's because You're saying that these buildings aren't even opening and they're getting they keep their children's educate. Dollars. Meanwhile, families are scrambling all across the country trying to figure out to do and none of that monies following them to the home, based education or to the private schools. You're more than happy to open their doors for in person instruction, and this latest does survey found a ten percentage point jump in school choice support from just from April from sixty seven percent to seventy seven percent. I think it's because families are seeing that the public school system itself and the teacher Jean just aren't going to be there for them this year, and it is this comes in stark contrast with the private sector right with a private schools. There fighting to reopen actually fighting against governments to reopen in Sacramento, for example, a private school rebranded itself as a day care center a couple of months ago, because

There was a regulation saying that the private schools can an open, but the day cares could be open, and so they rebranded themselves to try to reopen for their customers. Meanwhile, public schools all across the nation have been fighting for the opposite. I think the opposite. The the obvious differences, one of incentives, one of these sectors, get your money, regardless of what they do for them. Well, you know tell me if you think this is a decent analogy, old enough to remember when people didn't trust by things on why you know you'd go the store he needed a tv sad or stay. Our whenever it is, you go to the place and peace, Well, I'm not going to give my information out in item. I give my credit card enough that we don't we dont trust it. We don't trust it. This is the way people though it you go to the store, well, Obviously that's completely out the window now and there's a whole generation of people to screw up shopping online and they don't give it to thoughts, and I feel school,

all always felt like the S, ghouls that place you go, it's got a fence around at a bell rings. Every fifty five minutes. You go to school, gotta principle, it's gotta, cafeteria, that's where you go and no one ever thought any other way. In other thing about charter schools, then things certainly didn't think about schooling, but hours time moves on just like online shopping people, kind of getting comfortable with the notion. Now absolutely it is. I think that one of them guess increases this year has been these things called pandemic, pods or micro schools, where families are banding together. Five to ten children in the household the kind of economise on the process of homes going so did. I do it all themselves and it's gonna like they're, getting back to this the other one room schoolhouse, and the way that I tried to put it

Imagine if we did have the money following the child. Just imagine we are twelve thousand dollars fought for each child per year. Your ten children, together in a small micro school, that's about a hundred twenty thousand dollars and revenues, even if only a fraction of that went to the teachers, they'd probably make a lot more doing it. That way, then, in the traditional public school system they have a lot more autonomy, and Families at students would have more one on one instruction, citing could be a win win win for everyone, and we have also seen these these new acts that are coming out kind of like the Goober AIR B B of education, where people are looking up educators using an app one, one example as unskilled that school if anyone it, but he wants to go look that up, but I think that's also the future of education, where people can demand their educational services using that I'm gonna take. This clash in and nobody's I've

probably nobody more qualified than accord answer this named by the way to Forbes thirty under thirty this week is thirty thirty most influence. Influential. What is it thirty and authority? Is it just thirty and authority they put a subsidy high or thirty and authority by the way be thirty in a few months so anybody's here, as I did this made it? I didn't make the car when I was twenty nine and seventy eight and they book School Choice Mass school, Joyce Mess, setting the record strain on education, freedom, it's available now, Amazon, I'm gonna teach this, because I got you a spot again. I'll put you on the spot gazette. I know this is your field of expertise, but It appears to me as somebody who just a observes humans, that.

education and the success of the schools. Where we talk about the schools, the funding of the schools. Are you get the best teachers or even the best administration and Bob LAW itself? to me way more important. The family seems to play a much more critical role than the school teachers MA kids go to a good school but school is just a school building. You know nineteen sixty, seven slow balls flat roof in a bad light, tile everywhere drinking found with their chewing gum, stuffed into it. There's nothing about my kids, we'll structurally, that would define it from bad school or any better school teachers in item not to interact with them too much because a talk, a lot shit on this podcast by TAT from for what might come, report, not the best and brightest debt to be a part of you know top gun away,

caters are led by the big difference. Are the parents, the parents, the families are intact, the parents are focused on education and there really they create, environment, where they were they look at where they keep after those kids there on those kids, not gonna, let em sharp late they're, not gonna. Let him not do their homework so, and so also the tea. It will be- and I don't know this six hour and if you have my in your head but never stop talk but the school never stop talking about the teachers. but we rarely talk about the families, and I think that something we should get into out all tease that right now, first day about the trough

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already under thirty four hour, Forbes S wake the book school choice, mess sending the record straight on education, freedom, and that that's available now Amazon, so of families, parents. We don't talk about it because we don't like to judge but I love judging castaway. Get shit done and what do you know yet? Families do make a big deal so we should not talk about the effects of families, but that doesn't mean that schools don't make any difference at all. So, for example, this is why I like to cite the random assignment evaluations

example. We know whether a particular medicine works or not, because we randomly assigned the drug to the treatment group and we randomly assigned a placebo our sugar pill to another group of people. If you compare, they averaged difference in the outcomes you can see, you can be pretty confident that your finding the effect of the drug simile with charter schools, if you have more students that want to attend the charter schools, that than that our spots available. They it goes to random lotteries. You Eddie Experimental kind of set up which is kind of like a medical trial when it comes to school choice and those studies tend to find positive effects, particularly when we are looking at nine tests for outcomes, for example, in Harlem Children Zone Teresa cheers. Dobbin friar did he read, Simon Evaluation, and found that stood who won the lottery to attend a high quality charter cool in Harlem Children's zone, where a lot less likely to commit crimes. The male students were completely reduced there,

Chance of committing a crime and eliminated it actually, the winner so the lottery, zero percent of them were incarcerated for a crime and for female students days. They experience about a fifty nine percent reduction in teenage pregnancies, so anyway, and since it's random Simon evaluation. We we can't say it's a difference in the family background, characteristics or the background characteristics characteristics of the students, but that does that that as well doesn't mean that families don't matter so I, but I do think that when families have more feeling of empowerment when it comes to choosing their child school, they become more involved with that process for their children, and so it's not a silver bullet for sure, but it is definitely can help in. There is some evidence suggesting that when families get there

opportunity to choose a school. They start to do more research on their children's education right. So, according to what you're saying it's a nice little sample because it's a lottery and the randomly pact, so you can see how this group is doing versus that group randomly, whereas other things can pollute the tasks sometimes because they go wealth, its first come first served. Well, then the more ambitious families would get their kids in first and their already sort of. pre wired for more involvement, the kids is also self selecting group and that you're, a parent or parents that fought and now about your child's education to even catch your ticket dry, then that have for the lottery. So You know you're already you already seeing people that are more involved by nature. Then now, let's say my parents would have them. Yet. That's absolutely true by tat

people who lost the lottery also applied for the charter school right other similarly motivated by you're right that died. There are there. We can apply these results so that people who didn't even apply- but we can say it does- is pretty or that were pretty confident that it's a causal result. Do they follow that they follow the kids that didn't make the lottery yet yet the ones who entered. But then not get into the charter school because they buy me random. Chance just lost a lot. I entered the lottery and that's where the fifty nine percent pray everything comes in versus the other group that didn't make it in. and then we have no arrests and Carson nations from amongst the males. But what are we have amongst the males who didn't make it in four point? Four percent were incarcerated in that study Itzhak twenty fifteen study.

published by Dhabi in friar. I believe in the journal of political economy. It's one of the J P. So you know it is It appears to me that this predict chapter and a young person's life, this this point in out My feeling is kind of what you do from beginning to. I don't know, kindergartner o k or whatever all this other nonsense is, I mean my kids went. There is enough circle, new, lift, a parachute with the help of a teacher, and somehow this helps them. It help some skill, there's some. Some scale is supposed to help its it's. It's nonsense is a waste of time and then colleague, Jan once you gotta college. You probably got your. ace under you, you now it's kind of like I don't know it's kind of

your bones and, like your not quite done growing, but you we were about their if you're gonna be six. Three would have been six three by now, so this group, this group this in a first grade through through senior in high school. That seems, important it seems like that seems like a real crossroads. It seems you could go this where you could go that way during those periods of time, I've seen it enough with some of the people. I grew up with it nice. If the government thought a little more about this or had or had a little more of us shorter by partisan throw everything out the window. Let's do what's best for the kids, let's but for the science that people than ever stop talking about following the science of selectively follow the science when it comes to their subjects, they fall signs when it comes to the greenhouse effect,

since they don't fall the signs when it comes to charter schools, yeah yeah, correct their end. The problem here, as I noted earlier, is this difference in power dynamics when it comes to key to twelve education, their sub group that profits from getting your children's education doors, regardless of how will they be families needs that's why you have certain people supporting funding people in and directly when it comes to pre K, higher education, restaurants through fruits, grocery stores to food stance, but then don't support it when it comes to funding students directive when it comes to get it

education, they would like you to send all that money to one particular institution. I wonder who hit on one met from the book: that's what choice mess book there! Everybody on this podcast has heard the witches that school choice deepens. The public schools are siphons away, money from the public schools and I just want to say that that's absolutely ridiculous. School choices, deepen public schools, public schools, deepened families, school choice, initiatives, just right, and that money to the hands of the rightful owners. You would similarly think it would be ridiculous for someone to say that allowing families to choose their grocery store De Funds Safeway right, no one would say, because everybody understands the money doesn't belong to safely or wire rope, other institution yeah, interesting thing, because the mindset of a lot of progress is when Hence the schools are taxes or any thing is we. Own that money. It's like when you hear oh see talking about,

Amazon, building a shipping hub in her now. were heard she's like week. I think She's like, why should we give them? You know, sir, smell six billion dollars like even give them six billion dollars. You gave up incentive to build their hub there, you not having a check their money yeah! That's it that's the main problem with the conversations and Katy twelve education. Is this assumption that you're children's education dollars belong to a particular institution which we don't think about anything else that were now. We don't even think about their work with pirates. station the paragraphs gotten the people and you can choose private or public while also, I think All figured out that in and TAT, is a huge deal and that people can act in a good way, that can act in a bad way that can act in a lazy way, sort of dependent on incentive,

and one of the examples I shorted drew up this way, I live in cell cow, theirs, our dealerships all over the place and their vying for your business in now and if the place is out and see me Valley, logo. I know the drive- but we are for this cow. And free hot dogs for the kids you know and but what There was a car dealership that was in your neighborhood and the rule was you had to just shop at that car dealership? That's it! You can't outside of that. That's your for dealership and you must use so when you need a new car, we need servicing and you need anything you just to go the one: that's closest steel, randomly weather, would be. The incentive for dealership to give out the free hot dogs in the discounts in the zero down and the a thousand off, I am ass, our people, how fast, with all that shit, go away and when avenues

that all they would have an incentive to even have the car working in regular condition, because they would understand that if it does that, if you and happy with it. While they still get your money and knew TAT the paper, another car from another private dealerships isn't arrive. That's the problem with Kate. You twelve education agreed Can I ask you about Lebron James is school. I dont know about it, I like the idea, of it? It's also funny that, when all these ass wipes that are against school choice, here about Oprah opening a school or Lebron James Evan you gotta go oh great. This is awesome it's like well, then, are you for it I mean: do you wish Lebron James Open, more schools are Oprah, open, more schools, I know operas and Africa thing, but what is Lebron James School, he's kind of a tip the spear, the liberal living in. so how and if, in fact it's a good

then, should we praise him and try to replicate. It gets no different, weathers. Lebron James starts to score whether some other private entity to start so public charter school. It shouldn't matter who started and I think they should be logical, consistent and support. Families having options are regardless of whether it's a celebrity starting or not because its it works the same as any other charges all right, and you can make the same arguments that leubronn schools anyway money from the traditional public school, but there anymore a similar argument. What when people are paying for private school at a pocket that, when someone pays for a private swat, a pocket, the financial effect on the traditional public schools, the exact same is if you're, switching to a child, as a very good point, which is nobody ever blames anyone for sending their kids the private school as Iraq. They get praise an especially if it's a family? That's a little a little clip,

there too, the poverty line when they scrimp and save and get their kid. Your private school there there heroes, essentially but you're, saying a stance of late. The exact same thing: it's one more kid! That's not! school, that's closest to them, and thus one less pay check for the for the school system yet because their funded based on Roma count Sally Financial effects, the exact same, and it is actually even worse than that when it comes to public schools, because in places like California is largely funded based on Roma counts, but I think it's only about its falling around. Seventy percent is based on student and romantic of funding. So what tat means mathematically is one up, what school losers student to a private school or to a charter school or two about your programme? They get to keep a lot of money for students. There no longer educated, Just imagine if war market to keep thirty percent of your grocery bill each week, even after you started shopping at trader, Jos or whole foods. Walmart would be happy about that deal and I argue simile,

Public schools should be happy. They get to keep any money at all for students who are no longer there. What Is there a brown James format? I'll. Let you noodle on that in a second I don't know, I've looked into it a little bed, I dont know. If it's what I don't know, if you would typified, is a traditional charter school and I'd be curious, short of what it what it was or how you would how you would describe but I guess let me hit. The lids here- need the perfect gag This season, lids, has officially licence sports gear or iconic brands like Nike Adidas, champion lids, nor Africa's largest hat retailer visit any lids store and associate will help. You find the perfect camp for any one on your holiday gift. It is a leader in head where including all the offence, M L, B on field caps, nfl sideline caps and knits, plus a huge for

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and it gets kind of muddied in the definitions are people. I was what's the difference between a magnet school in a charter school, the difference is they're both while they're, both public schools of choice are classified on paper as public school. And you're, not residential assigned to them, but magnet schools are run by the government, whereas charter schools can be independent, operated ends, and I went to a man to school, for example, on San Antonio taxes. It kind of got me into the interested in the idea of school choice and not having residential Simon being able to choose your public school Oh, but it other than the ownership? It's not very different. with a lot of magnet schools. They can have selective admissions like they can say it. You have to have that these types of grades to get any different types of admission criteria

This charter schools in general, there are exceptions when general public charter schools, although their privately operated, can are generally not allowed to have selective admissions. They have used it except all comers and then use random lottery when they don't have enough seats. a final question are you able to It's your message out to people who may affect some policy I mean. I know the answer is yes, but what I'm saying is this like? What are the chances that you could get hold of some fun? or get an audience with some folks that that had you know that that had some power that could could affect some policy and that they would listen instead of just gone. all sort of partisan political, Vienna, teachers, unions Are you getting any traction? Yeah I've had a conversation

with ran Paul on my podcast couple months ago. He released the school act, which was a restructuring virtually all federal education dollars and reallocating from buildings to individual students if they wanted to choose an alternative. Further childs. would have been great, but the problem is with Congress. We have a split congress- that's probably not going to pass for choice legislation anytime, answer really needs to cover a large brown kids like him, of the brown baby. So my I think twenty twenty and maybe the year for school choice, though at the state legislatures I mean the elections, went pretty well in terms of people who favour school. Choice in different states suggests: last month, a higher expanded, their private school about your programme by twenty five percent, and I feel like there's, there's going to be some more expansion at the state level. For example, New Hampshire now has a friendly environment for

what choice is well well. I are positive note to go out on and thank you for doing. The lords were corridors Angeles. The book school choice, mass it's available now on Amazon, thanks for telling us everything. Anyone would to know about this subject, and if people are listening and know somebody who may not be schooled up pardon upon, because I think a lot of the promises, people just don't know, and they take they don't know and they don't care and they don't care to now, like a system that money was taking money away from the schools slime the latest blindly idiotically. Go that within the not really using their deductive reasoning like why. What would be bad When is choice ever bad and don't you love choice in every other subjects, so why are you fiddling with their the kids future so take this annex

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