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to an end and thanks for town, a friend, let that about european grab that right handball brown not much pomp circumstance yeah. We have either one of those we we got job again by others president, so it's almost like he's busy doing something running for the highest office. You seems distracted so far. radically reality. Scheduling, so we will lie. We will keep you posted because there is it a joke. I wanna revealed to the man that then A point of getting in London, but either way, so I will will reschedule, will figure that one out such planning on talking to Trump talking about that this morning, and then I found this old note that I'd made for myself I don't know why think I'm an airplane sometimes

sit on an airplane, you have a couple of pops in your mind starts to wander, and I was I was making these these notes and it's an old piece pay. I've been I've been looking at it for a number of months now, but I never never seemed like a good time to get to it, but now seems like a good tat. I I think about my old grandfather laws. Low Gore, ogg- and I was thinking about all this story- cease to tell and by the way, that's gonna, be a law start right. The bedtime story setting down. He never had a book you now he just he just kind of free formed it you now from the older trade story, the USA, like we reached tussle books every time she loves it, but never tell their stores

where the opposite he's over story he's over bucks. Now he wants to tell us stories and we have to tell him stories. The story telling us in its very interesting it's it's it's it's it's I see this say should go to his house. I would sleep over on the sofa in the living room because there was not a second bedroom, because what would you do with to bed? Rooms are true, bathroom, smiling, David Andrews and how many places can you lay your head at once? How many hearts can you squat upon at once? Yes, my family's exe Lou save one add room one bathroom house and my grandparents ass course. The bathroom was attached to the bedroom, so he had to walk through their bedroom. That super pleasant, as also is a member as a young person, why my grandmother would throw party. I was found it weird that everyone was walking through their bedroom to get to them but anyway

over there and I sleep on the the self I had my my piss bucket underneath the coffee table and my girl Father who is Gary and who I found out later You know, Hungarians are weird cause. You don't think much about, like you think about the Italians and you think about the French and Canadians and Australians and Mexicans and Japanese, like you, have thoughts about. All of them know really hungarian talk. People know how we now, because there's no good stereo type for a hungarian you're, not gonna Hungarian. On me, I there's no good hungarian stereotypes and as of lamented, you could scour the entire LOS Angeles base, and you wouldn't find a hungarian restaurant. I mean they're, just oodles of japanese Mexican. Hi was no stars. There's nothing there's nothin, but all a garage here at TED, so it turns out

Hungarians are storytellers that I I somebody shouted to me once that their very verbal people in their story, dollars in at all kind of came back to me, and so he would he would watch Johnny Carson are before he went into Watch Johnny Carson. He would come in any tell me stories and there are always of his old world. He. He grew where, where he grew up and in the sort of the old ways in and how how they grew up, and he grew up in Budapest and his dad owned a coffee house back romantic yeah back when a coffee house met- something- I guess I mean not Starbucks. Obviously, but a coffee house like people would go their order coffee in order sandwiches. I guess it's like sit there,

Think I'll even know that it was a bar. I think that we will probably have to middle gathering place. yeah they yeah? I think at some point at some point, They had like rooms above it to rent the proper, so he he grew up like Richard prior, so he he's spend time in a coffee house, but he would tell me that stories like the old timer stories and I just wrote down some these random thing. So some of the story, she would tell were true stories, then some of the story she would tell were made up stories like you at a story about conjoined twins and one of em like too, chocolate and yellow inhaling shockwaves through yes and sample approved are and then they would in

in an they be episodic gdp due for fifteen or twenty minutes, and then you go that's enough, but we'll pick up where we left off cassettes all thing: if you're gonna do story time make it episodic, make it like the surprise us or something you. Your pick up where you left off the next night any you'll, actually look forward that imagine looking forward your grandfather coming in telling the hungarian accents. Some old story about can join twins wit would free form those, but then he too, play some sort of real stories. Some of this stuff, I I've I felt- was pretty buzz. When I was nine, I still feel that way so I'll see. If I can, if I can dig up some of em, which is He told me a story. He probably made this up, but he said it, but but but I member having this kind who thought he shed, he said TAT, there was a guy and he got so drunk.

And he staggered out into the street at night after the bar and he he woke up the next day in his bed. Had, no idea where he had been or what Happened to him or what had transpired, but when he woke up that morning, when went to put his shoes on both the metal, hips for his shoelaces were flattened because They ve been run over by the trolley car, which meant he was in the trash of the trolley car and had o is a little twilight. Sony like how else could those metal tips on the end of your shoelaces completely flattened unless it that I'm sure he made it out, but the point is young it s like. Oh, you must have been drunk out of your mind, passed out just standing there that try gardens, went right past you

conjuring all those images, the other one I thought was weird, is he said in his town, men when they won out on a Saturday night for drinking, they would wear a cop, they would they. They had a wooden cop that now, guys kind of just made themselves a cop like a protector cover the yeah yeah and indeed put the cup you dislike down your pants, for you want out, because if there's gotta be a, a boost and in fighting back then so unfrozen need, or the groin or somethin you rupture attest, the create you probably gonna die, or ruby right again, so I remember this discussion about guys like widdle. Their own cops had no y know big five.

going on. So he would tell me the store- and I think that everyone would have their own cop and there put it in and then go out and bows and carouse he told me one about damn. He told me once that to him and his brother found or stole a big tub of ice cream. and I dont know if it was outside of an ice cream, parlor or place for they manufactured ice cream, but told me they put. This tub didn't steal it like they just put it out and of its end, I should like to live how the door he didn't have to fight off two guys to get at them. Now. He said there putting it out like there are, throwing it out and humanist brother found this big tub of, cream and we're going out of their minds and took it

and you know, ran with it- couldn't wait. Two they got home got home, got the the spoons out and went into it. And it had no sugar in it. It was just ass. It was just crazy. It was everything but but the sugar salt and he and he said he. we were just like. Look at it and look at it and look at it, and then we just leave for an hour, and then we come back and like tried again just like a very ten year old kid thing to do, I remember that story and all Oh it's like I was right there like he got here. He is his town. He must have been You know he must have been in that town. He probably left in the late thirties, and he was, I think it is late thirties when he laughed so I mean he might. You know, must have been there like night when he was a kid, it must have been like night

no way nineteen o nine cream bodies in the late thirties. What did it? What was it did? He have any connection to world war, two Nazi sympathiser brilliant pick up a gun. If that's what you're doing That is what I meant was warmer tacit. Approval was the was the romantic Budapest coffee shop levelled, I hope not, he. Obviously he was there through world war, one, oh right, sure you gotta ran about airline, they don't call very well collar worldwide call it. Or two for a reason. They do call were yet he upgraded to the? U S and nineteen thirty nine says man, Zapata forget effect, when he died cause have they figure out. How will they was power when he was born Sark? Nineteen o three Kay. Seventy three. So he was thirty six then, when he, so we little boy and dark

When World WAR one broke out, he was a teenager, and some action no, but I I have very little to young. It was probably fourteen or something like that, but either way there is, you know all of Europe saw some action. So on. I don't I don't know. Hungary got hit both wars, but it did look. A real time out, because I, like you, wasn't aware Hungary's war in will role in world war. Two yeah there's a lot Asher going hungry now, obviously fled here, just the right time yeah. He fled in thirty nine right when things were starting. The heat up, thirty shacks, worked as a playwright. His his profession was playwright Said like these to write a new play every week and give it to the to the play

in the. How weird and quaint is, as all that shit right sit in a coffee house right a play by long hand, and they deliver it to the play house and they pay you. You know a hundred bucks for it or something is it true bohemian yea visit? It was a playwright. He laughed came here I think I think he went to Mexico first hour- maybe went to Canada first and then maybe Maxie. I'm trying to think you didn't come straight here. There was the longer you series with red tape recorder, I have no doubt that he probably he mentions the hour when first yes, somebody else did that interview, but we have it out. They have at some. We have it somewhere, but then gets here, and you know nineteen thirty nine and he can't really speak much English.

And he's not really alongshore a Manys playwrights, and I have to figure out how to make it. living when you speak. Hungarian riding plays in hungarian Hetty translate that into getting paid riding tv scraps and movies in English. Obviously he did that He always had a strong action is his entire life. I dont know how much English she spoke. In thirty nine, I can tell you and eighty nine. He still had a still at a strong, strong accent are the strong or less hee, hee, hee hee came from it. For me, Sort of all, I remember, is because he spoke. English is a second language. He actually used English anymore. precise way than most people, though he would, ever say that's hard,

He would always say that's difficult has difficult just a better word than than hard just ass. He was a writer and he went He came here. There was a hungarian kind of under around here and I would call the underground, but there was a group of riders. who were hungarian writers. I evidently hungarian riders were prolific and their cause. Surely they told a lot of stories, and so they came here to Hollywood in the thirties and they started to set up and they became this like little network, and so when a new hungarian rider would come in, they have a place to stay they give a little money or a little bit of food and they would try to help sort o connect them with you, no job some things like dad. I think

some reason MAX a pat on the name Ivan Trousers. He did. He did all those gentle it a general ban. In flipper he did sitcoms about animals, animals and I think that guy was hungarian, and I think that guy was like one of the guys who was there and you're going to be successful everything else black die. he then started finding work as a writer and in it just makes me think about how weird and quaint everything was back, then no smartphones, now computers. No, you know You just show up, I mean you came here from Hungary. You knock on the door Nobody interior, showing up everything was like. a bit of money, a little bit of food, and after enough there here for the weak kind. Thing. No, you know no direct a pie

It's no loans, no debit cards, no, nothing everything with tact I'll! You know it's a sick hand, on the analogue very analogue and ended in a kind of a priest. There was a- definite appreciation for money, and there is definitely an appreciation for food money with like was money. You can t you know what I mean you had to hide. You could keep it in other when money became visible? That's when we started throwing away food and throwing away everything and got into that? Don't fix a found thrown away again no phone, you now, but for them or show permanent in late. You know, they'd have a pocket. I urge that the last him for fifty years old, I D, just sailed twenty eight days together now, whatever Why is familiar outside you guys are, of course, when we hear you wax about all these things is the funny that, thing that jobs out of me, is that sort of sense of community I mean you show up and they were

there is a safety net to at least keep your above. Water is up to you to make your way by the community there are lots and lots of our family And while the other sense of community wants people who don't maybe I know each other, a kinship, your honour him out of the hours that today yeah right I don't know whether it's like that Community or the jewish community, or just what a church community sort of old and in an tie me version of that those are falling by the wayside. I feel, like those groups, our insanely, effective and helping He born and taking care of them and giving them opportunity, and I think, workshop. Replacing the community with government governments gonna, be the community like they're, gonna, step and they're gonna take care things there are not effective and how and they can't be effective because they're, not in community- like of imagine my

grandfather minus the hungarian riding Jew right in community and some sort of government, you know cordon Glenn Dale, you know line kind of egg, adjust it wouldn't work. It can't work wonders. Humanity was they had. It figured out their de facto network to destroy your shrieking eleven. maybe all over money, we need for the first few days or weeks, and then you know at the round. Runnin shows big wheel in its funny that you say that Brian, because I dont think about this very often but of you remember this, but in the eighties like in the mid ease, there was a big influx of rights. and Jews coming to Merrick. I now saw those Robin Movie, you all the odds and ends, A lot of them came to Kansas City. It was a big hub for the russian Jewelry Programme and Hans of new russian Jews came to. You know Overland Park in Kansas City.

and I remember like you basically, like you said you know, the jewish community item like every family from the synagogue, would adopt a family and make sure they haven't. They need we play with the kids and it was just it, which is what you did Is it like? Do we want to do this now? This is what we're doing their coming. They have nothing. How do we help and it works, and it's it's. It's really effect. In its kind of main line effective when you get a bunch of bureaucrats and people on paper work? Now, it's all the sun, it things just gets so deluded. What- watered down and in everything tat it be nice. It be nice if we could get back to that that community. Anyway, just an old piece of paper. I found with old stories about the Lahti Laszlo Gore Ogg and

Why you should be a good person because- not everyone. In my family, fantastic by Laszlo or I was a good did He made some lunches and he cook some Ma Chicken. for cash and goulash, any told stories and now all these years later. I think about that guy all time ago. That's a good guy. So, like you, a pot of goulash. You tell a few stories. You go on a couple, a hikes It doesn't end when the high cans doesn't end when the goulash is we consume. It then becomes a memory and the memory just lives on and by the way, you're shitty actions also become memories and they live on that our crystallize Wowzer. So do you want to spend that our whole remain could spend that our

waiting a shitty memory. They could spend that our a story about conjoined twins and crime a good memory that again, just just just in those like quite times couple drinks on the airplane, just kind of closing my eyes not really able to sleep just going to close my eyes, and I just drifted right to laws. Gore are born in o three Jesus. He lived early with ninety He d I'll know beyond, because he either dead or is he doing anything? No, he lives today Ninety three died in ninety seven. Now. Why is this? problem for the ninety nine. These people like its if Europe, if we make The eighty seven indeed die. Nineteen, twenty one, no one's confuse! You said you'd banana died. I want. I want applicability, my fuckin grandfather, legacy is. Are you ninety seven? Ninety threerd you'd die ninety three or you do to die.

seven yeah yeah. Ninety seven member got the call I got back when back we headphones right right before cell phones. The call like four four in the morning, Sir my grandma just a bundle of tears like Friday, night or somewhere keys past he's gone. It got up went down there. That's what I'm! I met the good people from the Neptune society night Johnny, and this will have every guy role than six thirty in the morning with his mom station. Why is that the guy is a clever has taught us recklessly who is Ivan Trousers? I think nothing of Torres to your z, s or We ask that we're hungrier. Now it's a completely different guy misguided, an elephant. Giraffe Slovakia Elevation double draw Ivan Shores. Yes, yes, so he did a lot of science shit, movies and other languages, but then

do I years was you go because my grandfather was doing sign to science fiction. as you well know what the more people and land unknown, and he had had a couple. These sort of sloppy sigh, five things and yeah ivan- must have been hungarian. He was, he wasn't Guerin and he got in a sigh fire in the fifties. He did reproduce the magnetic monster riders to the stars, and God and then the following year came this indicated tv series Science fiction Theater, but then, after He went underwater, creating see, hunt the often nuts and then say darted filming underwater and that's how he got into flipper, Diane after that gets into flipper zebra and the Kitchen Clarence nah sidelined, Jain off Right now, right now did all animal shit you really into the animal study and then made those in a tv shows little gentle ban and flipper or ear

any dietary, at least in general, ban and flipper, they sure big TV show the guy's a multi million. I know the theme song and- and I never saw the show- the ripper- Yeah me! No, do you remember that one right Now only the incredible monsieur le impediment of Fuckin Brandon was equipment yeah and it was such a weird there there thirdly, the same thing. One was floored ever going Were there bear and the other one was somewhere else. Florida, whether with leper, I think it's out work and they were just there were just save. They were just save the day and what His name from dual was there was the game, oh, no the guy Weaver Dennis Way, Venezuela and and his kid was young, clean, Howard, the clan,

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prior to world war. Two arrived with his brother, urban and nineteen. Thirty, nine pass Human Raymond, Grandpa landed here and the same time, probably hooked up and network, and here we are, while our right Why? Let's see we got a young journalists, robber, roar of Aurora Robert he's had Dat right. Fur is called quill at Sundown, pronouncing roulette, ok, well at equality as a colleague, nonsense. I've internet area lesson canadian bullshit, yeah and has a whole lot of thoughts on the big, shooting in the riot and everything that has gone on in Philadelphia. I guess the other night. I didn't know what that much about it, but there was another big race, riot, police, shooting and all that stuff. So well, I will tell

the him also there's an interesting article that I've been sitting on for a number of weeks. But I thought if we're gonna talk, police shootings. This is a sort of breakdown of the brown. Taylor Thing and at some of the grand jury stuff- and there is a very interesting because it's a kind of a deep dive on Brown, a tailors boyfriend, not the bad boy friend the good boyfriend. What nobody knows anything about that guy or what really went down her fired a shot. He didn't get charge. gotcha, he didn't get, they didn't indict him or they drop. They dropped the charges on him, but he did shoot a cop. So then why did they dropped the charges on him? It's it's an interesting dive into good boy friend, bad boy friend, and that story that whole Brown a tailor thing really just plays out like good boyfriend, bad boy friend

and it's interesting so we'll share that with you- will do that right after that it's time to check Adams voicemail Hey man look from the garden when you come back out your body anyway, grubbed up road with work. The highway time does good grieve. Bogota. things are much better out here. Take care bugaboo! You can leave us a message at eight hundred and eighty eight, six hundred and thirty four one thousand seven hundred and forty four Well we're back with the young canadian journalists Rob Aurora Aurora. I don't know why trip over that good. She they're my thing ROV ride my pronouncing everything right, yeah, yeah, that's right! Good! Good! To meet you

nice to see you too, I'm a little off guard just because we had that Trump cancel today in Chris was reading your articles and seeing how much a roof shared. I I thank God, I think God Joe Rogan. We did it out there. I think a bench apparel twitter out there. So he said this guy's, a good guy to talk is so he went out and in foundation in here we are so let let's who I guess, we should probably talk about just a visa. We should ask in the same questions your bird ass trunk. Yes, what's up with your hair so the article which I didn't read. Like I say, Chris went out and in realises was a hot story, so he give us the gist of the article Sure the one about white privilege in New York Post, where let's do that one first yeah so that peace,

was really just challenging the convention, all insights into race in our society, particularly white privilege, and it was just based on an observation that the issue of white privilege I felt had been exaggerated by tenfold. It was, is creating more division between people and it was resulting in all these different categories is gonna racial hierarchy. The white people are at the top of society, and so I looked into this topic in death. I looked at the studies. I looked at the different metrics and its it simply not the case that white people

dominating society which is kind of the the conventional notion that you here for well. Let me live all ask all of you. This review of indian descent and perhaps might not later than Roger Europe might is right. Just went out, oh yeah, that was weird no static. No, no! Nothing! Just gotta just dropped out the clean, a clean drop at all all ass this to everyone and Rob is well when it comes back. When we see going down the road with the white privilege, like we invent something right, fairly new white privilege. Ok, then all the decades and all the news outlets and all twitter and everything up. They just pick it up and they start running with it and then next thing. You know you have you no middle age, white women apologizing for being why

and then somebody talks about a system of oppression and then ever buys into it and in China, where way down the road with a theory, insanely flawed but do does, for one believe it or not. is going down the road with that. Do not remain like a guy get along. No one wants a fuck ruffle. Any feathers outward get fired from my job, and I want to say anything. So you have a whole group a people that just go down this road? It's a fall. Road of course, there's some Ruth things in it. But the premises wildly flawed and false and we have a whole nation just truck and down that road. Just. for one believe it. I never believe it, but I'm the only one who fuckin says the about it, because there was a fucking coward. So what what's going on? people really believe it like when their apologizing for being y know that kind of shit or are they getting along they just going along brine.

Why do you think by my gas and raw becomes back and verify or explain? is wrong. Is I'm guessing started with some insights on some some inside. You said I became sort of a snowball effect where attacks on life of its own people, too, We understand what there either funding or opposing you I mean like these- are going to hop on this train its now driverless on the tracks and most people. who say they buy into it by into it or feel that way. There are two questions, guess I believe they feel that way. I dont know if they know what Buying into a kind of my point like there is probably no simple as your white, your privilege. It probably is something more to do with socio economic out. Imagine, but maybe rafting says why on the right That is my, but can you hear me Probably you got the analogy now the picture

but the obligatory. That's the only way to keep going yeah yeah- I know you guys- are absolutely right. There's just there are so many different factors. You can look gathers education, their socio economic status House is criminal justice. All these different areas, and you can pick anyone and it's not the case that the white people are doing the best so easy, one that I use is meeting income statistics in the: U S so whose earning the most and it's not white people, it's actually a indian Americans. So people look like me in the: U S are making almost double the amount of people Look like Adam Arrow, audio I'll. All our fill I'll spackle when the audio problems here, also as I've been

trying to yell at everyone. It is the most destructive thing you can do. Is a society now I've ones a fuckin coward? Nobody back me up. I get it, but I've been fucking yelling about this for a decade you can't take it. Group and tell them thereon top, because there were born a certain way and you can't take another group and tell them they're at the bottom, because they were born a certain way and you can expect a group on the top to not feel resentment, especially if they don't feel like there on the top, and you can't expect the group on the bottom. to not real resentment for the people on the topic is you're telling him that's how their born of course, you're gonna have a up society and, of course, the people the bottom up gonna languish because they're gonna feel like they're there because of the color of their skin. It's the most destructive thing you, due to a society. I don't understand why this is so fuckin popular, and I don't understand why people think that fuckin heroes for pushing this all the time. It's driving me not it's fucked.

Our society is ill, it sounds like robbed, might have the perfect win, win compromise to the whole thing by saying: hey white people who feel so guilty for being so great and perfect in the best of everything. You're, not So is that one day we need to hear I dont who feels like, though the basque us are. Why is there any this thing? This thing works like why so? I deserve less. Who doesn't where a point hat and bird crosses, feels like that that nobody, I know there are some people, aren't, if you guys know robbing the angel author of a white fragility that was I got it, sir was number who is hitting number one in the book charts. In July and August, and then that book is incurred

ably dehumanizing. But it's it's lightened. It's the gospel over for white people, so that book basically positive that that white people need to atone for their that their original sin of being white and the need to help people, because they're oppressed in society and robbing the angel. She goes around a different universities and other areas. Then she charges like between your thoughts It is for these diverse seminars to it to teach young college kids. Other people in big corporations that the white people are inherently privileged and and to be black into be round skin is a form of being oppressed, it's it's incredibly toxic. It creates more division by it better. authors idea Angelo Emacs, Candy, Tallahassee codes. They also thrive on this. This victim,

narrative that minorities need white people to help them and that white people just have this incredible power and our society. But but if you look at the data, that is simply not the case. While it has grown up question about that- and I I just think about this for the first time. So please in a correct me if I'm wrong earth, if you feel differently, but if somebody was like I'm white, but that's it, I'm jewish. So if somebody was going around a call, campuses, holding seminars for people who warrant jewish and where were telling them that the Jews are somehow inferior and we need to help them. I would find it to be kind of humiliating. Do you ever feel that way? In this scenario, yeah yeah, so in my New York posts I stay. I started off with a friend who had texted me in July I will not name, but I say, I'm alcohol and rely have him have em call em cause. This is interesting. Study are either

Robin the Andrews, a white woman. These are fucking exempt. These are race hustlers. I don't know why I all like all I can figure out is that people are cowards. That's all that's that's all I can figure out. I don't know why people are by our are, are reaching for for that race ring all the time I dont know why we're going in on it all the time. It's a way were there like? We just had a fuckin debate, the last presidential debate we didn't have foreign debt in foreign policy or security. We re It was like a plug in huge chunk of that debate with us talking about race. it's insane its two thousand and twenty one. This is. This is on from the media, this is cooked up. Most these police shootings, it's a fucking, viable story for

guess in hands up, don't shoot! That's not what happened. That's not even the story, the kids. wrestling with a cop. I got shot we're not This is the media. Wiser buying into it. It's crazy. First off through quarters of the area. It was a young black man gun down their prime, all three stories have a whole bunch of circumstances. A whole bunch of shit that we never talk about or doesn't come, doesn't come to the fore and and there's all about your white due to shot by cops. Do but we never talk about it. So we create, we created, landscape that looks like white cops are hunting black man. And everyone buys into it and then all the politicians, by into it and all the cowards by into it and all the scare people buying do it. I dont get why it gets so much momentum as its everyone is freaked out the open their mouth is that what is truly part of it?

Well, how many people are good people? Friends, you know whoever, come on. This show just a logo. I don't want to be involved in this joke or the conversation. We hear that all the time Rob yeah. Sorry! Now we got you on the phone. Sorry continued Robin the Angelo? How did she get to write a book on rights like what is she we see a middle age, white lady. Who is she? Yes, yes, That is why lady and she is the person you go to to atone for your white privilege and she held minorities like me, and black people, because there so oppressed in society and incredibly dehumanizing to view people based on these color categories like it, it's literally the exact opposite of what Martin Luther King Why was saying it during the summer right there, saying that we should look. People were to people as individuals,

not just based on the content that not just based on their skin color, but now it's me not fix act upon it now you see, for example, the broken american history, museum difficult, A month ago. They had this a graphic that came out which is very controversial, which said that treats like hard work and work ethic and individualism are all white trace, essentially their symbols of whiteness. Oh yeah working hard and being timely. These also both are being white, and that incredibly, incredibly insulting, but something has become. Although the popular in our society are fortunately black, lives matter had that on their charter, to like literally Yang being prompting Dillon

and working hard. These are like constructs of them of the white man. Now it's contagious Thea there are there you, sir? It was a year earlier. I was thinking no, but I know be. I know you two are spared the talk on this subject. I feel that you guys you're scared to talk about now. You are frozen, but we re not. I just stopped Dinah Undisguised railway. You dont know you're scared to talk about it. You're on your way out of it. to ever one sees us up when you bring a brace. That's that's what happens rob loans that talks about before that the root of this number one. As long as we have, Cable news stations there for profit eventually make money and not just part of the game, but it long as there and make money and get yours for non should entail,

A new one story: that's number two: we have no grass of new site you wanted to tell. I knew I store that tells the entire story. That's all that's one thing: we're not gonna keep viewer to do like after. This will tell you that the coming after the wreck was about the latest blah blah blah. You might not be Why do I tell the whole story? But it's gotta keep I've also undoing, thus going to keep the ratings upness money flowing, but beyond nuance its shifting the entire narrative- that's not not into the weeds. The details it shifting it's taking its taking Michael Brown, and just turning it into hands up, don't shoot. We get another situation in Ferguson that had nothing to do with a bad cop shooting that was a bad kid who strong arm d, liquor, store, guy walked out, walk down Middle Street cop told him to do on the sidewalk, he ignored him. He kept walking cop backed up the car,

he has his dna on the cops gun, they wrestled with a gun. He's wrestle through a car window that it was not. I walk down the street in a white cop, shot him This is its volitional in its intentional. It's not, they don't have time to get into the new arms there actually shifting it. I agree the desires. Are you have time, Pakistan all the time they want their dedicate an hour or two to what they were saying this? one thing, which is that the headlines the story. The fact is why cop kills black kid, but like a few dive deeper into it, there's nuance there there's like up, it does happen, and this happened in this. We're saying the same thing about Asia, but y know we are, except for I'm only pushing back because it's not like it's it's it's not they ever get to the nuance and all their store ways of headlines of white cop shoots black kid black.

Hid, who wrestled with copper, black, Cato out a knife or black kid who had a gun. Just leave that part off. It's just white cop shoots black kid Julie gets into the Zeit guys. And then, if you talk to people, that's the story, you just stop zone on the street. You go what happened in Ferguson above that bribe that big, general giant kid. The cop gentlemen, the back right now never shot him in the back shot him in the front wrestled with the cop dna, I noticed this on twitter today. Every real time an unarmed black man is killed. They go out of their way to mention on armed. the today, with the guy with the knife chasing after the police who gone down. He was just a black man here, not an armed black man right this is you intentionally twisting the fucking story to agitate or table laid or excite ourselves soap, which I get it

it's the business urine, but it has become, but at a certain point, after you have a fiduciary duty, I think and you you let it go by the wayside, and now everyone is fucking agitated because they think white people, white cop, shoot black people stitches equally it doesn't work out that way. But we never hear those numbers rob sorry. yeah. I know I know you're absolutely right, I'm about to tip steaks and we can talk about what happened last night and the the numbers well. But what happened last night in Philadelphia was a cops are called to the scene, beef there's a man with a knife and Anderson, red video footage, that's really really unclear, and I would urge everyone to not draw sweet In conclusion, the space on an incomplete video, because what happened delight and the police are there fuck cops and then there's a young black men

and he has a nice and they're telling this man to like over his knife and he keeps approaching them and then there the following this guy and his mom is what as well, trying to make a start by then Mr Ford and under video cuts off and then the officer a shoot him assembled. And then you enter dies in the hospital and there's an incredible new wants to the story. I'm investigation, it's happening right now. We should be patient with us, but but writers, lobbies, radicals that does in matters that what matters is that a black man was killed and so that an excuse for not just protest but riots glass, either a cop cars fire. There was alluding going on stores, video that were being posted. I have it on my twitter. If anybody wants it better regulation and there was a one- fifty six year old, female cop who is ran over by a pickup truck, there's any other sitting,

credibly disturbing when she had suffered from a few severe injuries, are my believe, her legs abrogated in the house. all right now and always kind. And anarchy. suing in Philadelphia or was the least last night and credibly, incredibly disturbing Jimmy and shocking. Why there's rise? Why there's protest? makes me wonder if we even care about the evident saying If we care about rationality about the facts, it Lee alarming the China. Yet one thing I was going to say is that it sort of ironic to answer your question from both.

or in pull the camera back a little bit more, it sort of ironic that there's so much talk about what is safe space is because there is no safe space to have this conversation. There's no safe space to question these things. So you know we talk about tolerance and intolerance to even broach the question yeah, but you know: wasn't he armed or wasn't he shot in the front going? where the cop there is no safe space to have that conversation? So beyond the media, in your individual friend groups with your family, you know there is no. There is no room for questions like that. Without somebody doing quick, math and say well you're a racist lignite and then in our eyes, were quick to go to their corners and we're gonna know we. I just I thought this was a safe space to have a conversation about what we were just talking about. Well, it there it. It goes echoes. Beyond the media, I I think

that's going on is this storm, which is, I think, lotta politicians are just driven by the media now to figure out what therein to what they're talking about. You know you want the good stuff, you don't the bad stuff, the media- is she ass, making Hey out of this re stuff. They have just gone into diaper drive over this re stuff we live, in a non racist country number a number flocking one. Do not live in a racist nation No reason why we have to try to convert ourselves into a racist nation. We are not a racist nation. We were a racist nation and now we're not that I don't want to hear about the clan or pockets of this or that boys or whatever, yes, it exists, it always success. It exists

where, but we are not a racist nation we're trying to. Vince ourselves, where racist nation, the news, is going fuckin bizarre, we're so on racist that half the shit we do our hoaxes. We have two fucking make shit up. just a small at the NASCAR driver where we have to have like we have that made things we had them. We had to Nicholas, Sandman, Nicholas just some kid wearing a mega hat, we had to make him into a re says he didn't do anything fuckin Indian, was not job because a fucking not agitator. He started the fuckin thing. and we had to create. I raise this situation, didn't even exist and then the news outlets ran with it and if you think, the S fisheries sector, if you think they're right, I share all cotton checks. They're all cotton checks that kid so

They know what they were doing. Yes, they knew what they were doing that wasn't a rush that wasn't a rush job. They all did it they're all right, that guy checks, because they were doing this. They cook the fuckin video they pushed it out and they agitated ass. The agitated, the weak people they agitated, the cowards. The agitated people sit and watch you haven't got. Oh my god. We aren't races, look about kid and all the dumb celebrities got on and, like we gotta docks that kid visually that kid punch given the phrase we're so fucking agitated, so gullible it's sad? So the news one bazaars, the news gone back there and again you don't they agenda, why did they cut that video? Why do they do that Yoda make that kid. Look like a racist. Why did they do it? If that's not their agenda, they all did it they all push it out there. They all ran with it. We all fuckin bit we're like a big MAC: Mouth Bastard,

on some shiny, well, fuck and bid on it and then and then, of course, politicians just follow the media like all. This is what training this is what's goin on this, so give me about. Now we have the media and politicians do in it and then it calls into the workplace and corporate and we got Robin Ganja, haven't a fuckin, give us speeches middle age, white, not given us each is on how to be white. It's insane. If it the fact Sakharov go ahead, yeah. I know you're, absolutely right and the politicians, the media figures and pop culture all coming together and their supporting this narrative laughter, in writing. In August, when Joe Biden released a campaign had in which he said that black amiss tens are living are waking up every day in fear of their life from police officers, like a literal whole campaign. Video on this, which is incredibly false, that that's not what the statistics show

If you look at estimates from the national law of the weather data and the wash imposed police shootings database like we could have been killed by a police officer is on power. Being killed by lightning is incredibly rare. Its. If you look at the disparities between groups, Should the African Americans are thirteen percent of the time? listen roughly and they comprise about twenty five percent of the people killed by police, and so people pointed out has look. There are represented, therefore racism and There's a disagree. You that black Americans about three times more likely to be shot by police as White Americans, but both of those figures don't taken The count criminal offending. If you factor in the very low cry you find Actually, white people are three times more likely to be killed by police as a black Americans themselves.

Disparity of further time about God That was the word it you ve got thousand drop November, Rob and saying so. Here's the problem, black people, black man, shot at a higher rate than white man. if you raise your hand and go yeah, but there also statistically more involved with crime and, if you're more involved with crime your odds of being shot by cop go up if anyone bring that up than that persons are racist. So I dont know, however, solve any problems, because if you're Talkin statistics and you get bring call the races in the middle of it. It's gonna be hard bright eye I swear to you and you're gonna have to take my word for it. I was thinking about a Sandman case earlier today, or the show randomly round, because it was example of what it is:

No, you said which is. I saw that little kids, you know smug phase and they are now in the face of the India. Now the native american guy knows like yeah fuck decade, and then the same day as the story was developing on twitter, I went down the rabbit hall and I have fought started reading account of soil from someone who was there and the birds like here's. What happened there are these blackmail and it was held the block Muslims rules. Was there is very alights, Israel, Lock is realised. I only went through. They are ok. I want you hang out in Times square yeah. They were so I got the wrong they are over. There are doing there should near agitating everyone, and then these these ended up in the middle of it by accident, and this guy was there doing, has ended. Up being my my point, freer more nuanced, there was a lot more going on and just then as everyone knows of sand men, look look preening in the face of the indian native Americans are either much more going on, but the news isn't motivated like

was saying earlier to report those nuances because they need eyeballs. Any people were outraged and people who are dying into the store. Whenever it is they they need the out of any cell so, like you said, but I I'm gonna go back to what I was saying, which is. I don't you're using the word nuanced, but I'm using the word cocked at it added created, there's a difference between not telling the whole. You know new on stairs I was late in our you're, always late. Okay, I wanna get and all the what came before it, but What we will release we can agree on. I was late, you know what I mean an and that's than They don't get in all the minutiae, the nuances you say what they are cooking this to agitate the public. That is that eggs them guilty nuances. I don't blame them for the nuance

I guess I was talking about what we knew that day. Obviously, we were there's no way to know that if the vote is thought to what it was What was I mean? They could only, but added it to make him look like a races, understood, I'm saying on that day there were more details that you know to the actual events that were not just simply in our afforded because they wanted him to look like a raise, lies yeah, that's what I'm gonna come to realize or do we and I do most people even know that now you know what I mean is that most of pile of monies- and I can say for darling, team and the loss, it will be the first thing that comes up, I'm sure. Now they settled all out of court. I mean that its most Americans, if you show that kid, that's the kid that block the Indian. They don't know that CNN settled up with him. I'm saying I don't know for time of the same thing or are saying the same thing: you're. Not I'm saying they cook it, they know what they're doing. That's what I'm saying I don't they

a nuance issue. I think it's a credibility issue in this. In this instance, I was right. I don't know the clock. I automatically be out of business Times now they do it not that they a version of it for every race base story. They they give. The version is this: what Dawson just If it's a unarmed black man, it's as unarmed black man, if it's a black man swinging a knife, it's as a black man shot that less. That's! That's! That's an attempt to get us to think this or go that way. I think we are coming to the same thing to have and angles because I'm a southern first things are was they'll. Tell the story which is objectively troop, unarmed black man shot by go, but there's so much more again. Do wonders how many more components to that well. What do you know what he can do not always in order there, not they're they're, giving you there there's all bunch of stuff the all stories that were never really gonna get to their trying

get us did not look into that stuff into think differently about this story by the way they presented last week. where's your and I dont know. If, if anyone has these facts in front of them, I am quite sure you don't, but by memory and rob you, you seem to have a lot of a lot of facts and figures stored up. So perhaps you know, in the known these let's say: did we put in the headline what race people were when they were victims, perpetrators is that is that new? I truly dont. Remember he wasn't born. I know he has a lot of these resources, so you know like, for instance, when we were poor newsroom, you know this person is a. You know: try to kidnap a kid walking to school and Wayne apart at the end, we say you know just so you know he was appointed as hispanic, approximately twenty five to thirty five years old. You know that all come

in but do where these was the rays always the headline I dont remember: you're, not I'm not sure. If it raises always part of the headline I mean really, if we're talking about Police shootings, ass specifically White guys, like you get killed by the cartons, never even make the news. Humble if you will go out what's that might reported by cases like like tony timber, who was killed in a very similar fashion, is George Void. The police were they were on his back for about thirty minutes and they basically suffocate him today. And if it on video bite but his name. we'll never ever be uttered in any mentoring conversation, but if it isn't the boy was a minority, then the reason This would involve a white person. Then the re suddenly disappear so bit of an ideological narrative. That's underpinning The issues. Well, luck,

look no further than NED Daniel Shaver in Mesa Arizona. The worst part of that in a police shooting that was an execution there was the police executing a citizen white guy. So We are talking about nuance. There's no new wants for that store. That story doesn't get toll so the news is not interested, so a are they entered. In police shootings are not well. Not. If your, why so you ve already said something as a news outlets. Do you think police shootings are important? Do you think this is an issue? Is it something that make news? if so, then the data Shaver store would be a national new store and everyone will be familiar with his name and that footage, because it was the worst cop shooting ever captured on video, We are not because the news has deemed that to compete. What they want is well Shaver he's gonna compete. So what will do as well?

do the neck Sandman story in presenting this way, and if your white, you get shot, that's we're done. We, knock and even show it just be omission that that'll be elevate. Dawsons gotta face over the there, but well I mean Brian, I respectfully disagree with you when you say that that you guys are coming from the same point, because these reporters, the story, is there, the story is there and the story they have reported on in all of the examples given is the exact wrong story. I'm examined on talk about salmon. I'm talking about Brianna Taylor, I'm talking about Michael Brown. in about everyone that you ve come up with. Yes, there stories are there? It's not that we enough time we're we're, not gonna dig deeper. It's it's there, they're just not reporting it. We are doing the narrative I'll put it to you this way. If it was just kind of rushed reporting. Then it would favour

a cop, sometimes in favour. The blacks, Sometimes like there wouldn't be a narrative, a theme. You know what I mean. The theme has emerged. That's what I'm saying I agree, and I like I said, and help no other guy implied. There was a lack of time like there are clearly doing my time positing, and I truly believe that there are doing it and they know what. Of course, the two is to excite the Bay scare people watching people tuned in through those years, also the next segment. Another there's a lot of time factor. I dont think I Just what ok, what you were saying, you're saying in the salmon thing that they got the star they rushed to get this. worry and then later on. This future problems. First, barely if you really think that the details of the case of the story as barely new story level, national sweeping news story and, of course, furthers the I know he's he's whatever the narrative is annoying little shedding jobs ease of Caesar,

detainees agitating these and they have whenever there is a privileged kid, wherever narrative is for a completely falls in line with the story that their telling over a long period of time. I don't think it's a time machine. I want a clear that up our rob. yeah yeah, just one point I was thinking of Now- was that with that Rachel innovation as society that were going through right now. This obsession with rave actually destroy from the real issues. But if you look at what happened with on a tailor the war on drugs and the no not warrant, and all the legal ramifications of that I've. Instead of talk about that, the conversations venom like sleeping while being black- and and the dangers of being black in America, and then there are real issue that boy with George Ford. Let's talk about visa policy, which Derek children was actually working in line with you

His knee was on George towards an act that was part of department policy. I'm in many police officers have done that. Let's talk about that, tat the narrative is about raise an and so instead talking about the real issues. We must focus on this one variable, and so then the way people killed by cops. matter anymore all the nuances of these cases. It don't matter it's just. raises a well lacquered there. We draw the sweeping conclusions, well and also I everyone thinks some fucked up for this, but Brok, Michelle Obama, giving fucking long winded speeches about what a racist nation wherein and how young black kids you know are. You know, should have to look over there shoulder when they leave the house for fear that is fucking people up. people listen to you, people list, you guys by the way, to turn back

president, then giving us fuckin long speeches about our racist nation and about how dangerous it is to be a young black man. I know us but loved pray, the defence of our generation. Here he brought Bob is bigger than any celebrity, and Michelle Obama is bigger than any celebrity and they are. more beloved in this nation, then any any to any cop I could imagine if you, if you did a power kings of what couple would you like to come to dinner in the union states, they would probably be this. Atta Oprah. Instead, men who happened we as well, then given, long speeches on how racist we are is fucking, dangerous, it's dangerous and Don't think people really understand that, and I know people fuckin either with a spoon. I dont know

what is so attractive about feeling like were racist. really over the spoon? Do you believe or suspect, like I do that I don't know how much Barack Obama and Michel long to extension really believe that verses. It's it's me but the base you like in the same way Trump has meet for the basely ass. It is the message residues, No doubt the message was focus group to you and me: I pray, I appeal as a political speech or whatever it is. I wonder how much of that they truly, I believe in their personal lives, in their hearts. This is all this is a resident message right as timely its residents is all of us. yeah, I I agree I believe it's been focused, grouped in its become a very popular talking point this saying its work? dangerous in its tearing its tearing us apart. It's insane that we're so focused on race and thousand twenty one right

of your young, your young lad, but I live through the Eightys and Ninetys racial. It's no big deal o sore Ross article. Two of this thought. Vicar reminds me out on one Gina brought out. Did this happen in the nineties? For example? I one and another will prove this story, invest but if you like, it turned on a dime or or pretty sharply with Rodney King, like that was great ray. I was magnetic television- was right there on video. This is not your people having video and stuff like, I wonder, How much of a changed at that moment like not like now we have a story that people are pluck and do as is under selling, and it was a huge store. The thing about the Ronnie King thing, because I for example, Sardinia, just affairs. Another example realise there's a lot more of that story than the video it was compelling by turns. Others want more well more was. There was a chase.

went on, went on before we got to the end of the chase, but I was far's. Hey you got video of a guy, get in the crap out of em with no at its in it. We know your news outlet. You now run that video diet. I get it that that was I see I don't think that's example of one with a lot of new wants cause. The new wants, with just the chase, leading up to to the beach I dont know. Wasn't he wasn't high? Oh yeah, I mean I'm, I'm sure everyone's by the way, everyone's Hi George George, Lloyd had like insane amount of faint now and other shit in M is well. We don't talk about it, but we're ones on on something, but but Brian, and Rob has two young and Gina somewhere in between island.

Then this town, when all that went down? I remember all that, and we talked about racist cops, we're talking about LAPD, being races, We were talking about a sort of in general being racist. We ve seen and from racist, LAPD cop to us just in general. is a nation. We ve gone from couple. A bad cops are racist, cops too we are all just that way now which, as you know, can tolerate a couple, a racist carved. We cannot tolerate a racist society, Rob sniff alone, do a racist cause. Study offers them has been done on this and we We talk about that and largely study. They find that there is no sizeable anti black bias in police, shooting salt role and fire a black scholar Harvard Distinguished Account he's on research on this, and you find him

and he'd, like fires in police shootings and you're. So many studies on this. Some studies show that a black police officer more likely to shoot black suspects, then than white suspects are perhaps because their letter, radio of their shoeing going viral because their black themselves, but there's someone only that show that white cops are no more british. You like suspects that'll than White Sefton. how you have to use your head and think I mean, if you think logically, these cops are ok, All they have. Families have careers, you can imagine a black cop shooting a black man, a sorry why cop shooting, a black man today you would have to you- would have to hesitate for a moment. You would have to know what this could mean This could be the end of your life. This could be the end of Europe. Careers could be under this neighborhood economy. Lucky. Would it's just that

the reason that you would have to give it a thought. It would have been You would never want to be that white cop film shooting that black man hey ROV. Can you hang with us sure, yeah yeah. As long as Europe, fountain of knowledge and we're getting into a very interesting discussion here. I Had this brown a tailor, sorted timeline down brand Jerry, good, good boyfriend back for an article that was sitting around for about a month, so I Dawson is dusted off a good time to get into it. So what I'm gonna do I'm gonna do a spot, we'll take a break and we'll come back and do that that article with with you rob first, let me tell you about relief, ban, yeah nausea, who the hell likes nausea, get car sick, maybe drank too much hung over relief.

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