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Book false alarm, how climate change panic cost us trillions, hurts the poor and fails to fix the planet. so much to get into with that? Beyond and Luxembourg, L M, be o r g dot com is where you can go for that is his website. are you in Sweden right now, I'm Sweden right now? Yes, I saw ass. We can definitely talk about. What's going on in Sweden, a visa ve covered as we discussed in the past, then you can give us a sort of boots on the ground at analysis of that, but dot com it always in the news special here in the United States, but that then leads me to my first question we have a sort of obsession with climate in the United States. How much

does that ring? True for the rest of the world? I mean I'm assuming developing nations, don't care, I'm good! sing places like Sweden have more of an interest in it. Then China does. But how much talk they're Sweden or in Western Europe about climate. Oh, there is at least as much as in the U S, and then I am Western Europe. I would actually argue business man, we are rich world phenomenon, so you haven't seen any Canada, certainly in New Zealand and Australia, with Frank sort of science in front of us and also some in Japan. So this is clearly something that a lot of rich countries worry about. There's also If you go to China, for instance, it is very clear, that there is a big difference between many. those multi million inhabitants. Chinese cities you ve, never heard up and then not play

like Shanghai, where people are quite western in much of their worried us that also shows up, and in these surveys, when you survey the Chinese are urban, Indians, quite quantity, my very worried, but of course you need to sort of forgotten ass, worrying about your kids dying from easily curable infectious diseases and not having enough food to start worrying about. What's the temperature, be likened seventy nine years how much I'm just kind of free forming here, but it doesn't strike me that I hear a lot out of Japan now. That's me. I don't study the subject, but it just feels to me like a lot of noise, certainly coming from Trudeau in Canada and many people It is in Europe, Germany, in and beyond. I don't seem to hear lot out of Japan, is at a cultural thing. or are they not as concerned about it? I've I'm not an

Sport in Japan either it's hard for me to know to what extent it simply language barriers. They promised quite recently, to cut large number, and I could get exactly how much and it was it turned out. At the outset, the environment minister had seen In addition, one who is dreaming that particular number and all the experts who really worried because basically have to how this is the financial times sorry, they basically have to start preparing the japanese people that they wouldn't have much growth for the next decade, because of that promise, as you can imagine that might not make everyone please pan is it so. Kid could we just short of rank the concern with clear. a change by how country is doing Actually I don't want to get in GDP. In average life expectancy in step with the more developed in oak.

And it s very develop, then very out of problems as it is it sort of the more out of problems. Your country is the more you obsess over climate. Could you sort of make that grand what line up pretty? Clearly, I think that's very true if you ask most poor nations they, obviously Many different concerns and one thing: we are seeing now the by climate, some others just about to start it is basically the year, China, India, so hovel, two people especially India, to lift our poverty, Africa's five hundred million clean There is a huge issue, who here and they are going to focus on that and much of that there's lots of energy and largely treatment, reliable energy which very often will be fossil fuels. So clearly,. It's much more obvious one. When you ve kind of fix most problems, you can now worrying about the temperature. In seventy nine years it doesn't mean it.

problem, but it just means that in the big scheme of things most people who are really really suffering on this planet. It's just simply not among the top ten what do you say that climb change is very much, let's say and your approach to it. So your approach, wait and on a lot of people? I listen to approach. Do it is nobody? it's sort of analogous to cove it, no saying this isn't real we are saying is what is the best way to approach this and what gave a new some, the Governor California saying we need, is closed outdoor, dining we are saying? Is that doesn't make sense and then he's saying is, is don't you care about covert going everyone's going. Guess we just we don't want you resting people who are walking on the beach? That's not gonna dress.

Red, and then they go oh sewer. over denier and he wrote no doubt we want to figure out the best way to approach it s not not argue over whether it exist or not or pay mass on an airplane or whatever, whatever nonsense they ve cooked up this week there sits thing, I've climate. It is by the way it's the same people taking the same approach. If you really think about it, you you're going climate exist. Here is the best way your approach it in their saying we're not going to listen to you because you're denier, there is certainly a bit of an Newsome clearly says there are lots of fire in California, which is absolutely true so lets you I'll go to electric cars which even it theory was right, is just and we're gonna have zero impact, even years from now and you got it

ask yourself. Is this just about us feeling good, as this about virtues signalling. Or do we actually want to do something. That's both actual. Functional about is that will actually have an impact on climate and also, of course, politically possible to imagine because a lot of these promises about being given essentially promises that policy, themselves. No, they cannot get through once they have to tell their populations how much this is. Gonna cost, the population, teachers and we're gonna say no. We don't want to pay back taken a good example. I knew nature study shows that almost getting too bygones net zero policy in two thousand and fifty in smart as possible way, will cost eleven point. Nine percent of Europe's gdp by two thousand and fifty and the year. That means each America, we'll have to hand over then eleven thousand dollars every year to fix this climate problem.

that's not gonna happen. Remember: there's a majority in the: U S against giving twenty four dollars proposing something that hundreds of times more cost, just some way, not gonna cut it, and that's why this not a Christian there's a problem, but it's a questions your solution is either just who signalling like? Let's all switched electric cars right away or so phenomenally normally expensive. It won't happen. Do you see to me I always think of nuclear power, and many subjects that are discussed politically, all kind of boiled down to that not specifically, but certain metaphorically witches Is this thing that exists? It would help this problem. those who claim to be concerned with the problem, the most are the most are the voice that are loudest against the thing that would be most helpful for the problem.

on that they never stop talking about which then makes me curious, Do they really believe this problem or, as ever, just sort of politicized, and you know somebody it was funny. I was watching Bill MAR the other night he said that silence is violence, and then he paused, he said just because it rhymes doesn't make it true, and just because you put no in front nukes, doesn't mean it true it just means that starts with the same letter, so as it is, situation were Paul, petitions going back. gave a noose amar. Understand. What's going on and are trying to win votes in the populace is misinformed, or do they really believe what's going on and then also You know every eight years. Somebody tells us you have eight years to live and it never comes

but it doesn't seem to face them now that I asked nine questions there, but let you do I'm new you're, the first you any sponsor environment, our conference back in May, Jeanne. Seventy two acts rolling stock com the organizer later went on to be the first you an environment director. I said we have ten years to avoid the task So we ve been hearing this for fifty years and it still has not happened. I think there is something exactly to your point that If you really worried about climate change, surely you grace the only technology we have right now that could actually mitigate this really quickly, which has nuclear. I think it's important too distinguish between two different kinds of nuclear? One is the nuclear we ve already built so remember. We we worry ploughed and billions of dollars to build it. We ve, committed to decommissioning eventually doses,

the true large costs of a nuclear power plant, so finance while its running it's almost free, so what these guys are essentially saying when they are closing down existing power plants, as we have this almost free see you too free energy source, but we don't want it back. Just does not. make any sense whatsoever is essentially a promise to say, want higher energy costs, but with more co2, it's exactly the opposite of what they want to closing down existing power plant is just stupid. This what they do in Germany. This is what you're doing in the upload the mechanic Dabbler Canyon in California. In many other places he s, while one right here, where's the other one, No one thought I'd just what a plant this in your head. I do want to talk about how Germany approached us and what happened in a circle back to California, but keep going beyond the, The thing is: should we build more nuclear power plants and fortune

there it seems like that's actually a costly proposition? right now so the power plant, You bet you that you're trying to building in Finland and in the UK, and many other places turn out normally expensive and so I now new nuclear is probably not the solution, just simply because it more expensive than pretty much any- What else you can come up with an Why we need to investigate how we make fourth generation nuclear much cheaper, but the system. Power plants don't shut him now, if you're shutting down it shows you just don't care either about climate, nor about the soon. We will actually have to pay higher prices for more pollution. Well, you can tell me. Yes, I live in California. What we do is we go. That's a nuclear power plant we're going to have it shut down by two thousand and twenty one. And then the summer heads in the power grid crash is, and we don't have electricity and then the governor says well keep

open for a little while longer. I know Newt Germany said we're gonna, get rid all our staff and we're going to switch over to wind and solar, and they ran into a lot of trouble as well and we'll talk about that, but it none of our minds mean it it's kind of like the current situation, so I'm in California gas here is Knocking on the door of six box a gallon, so this to me which may feel cheap to you in that I don't know, but for us is expensive, and it is gone up. I mean it is essentially doubled in the last ten months and showed to paint the picture and it kind of strikes me sort of the same with a lot of the climate change. People were talking about Biden comes in any goes, you know, so we are for the first time independent power power wise from a fuel fossil

standpoint now, so America is for the First time in ever, maybe seventy years but aesthetically the first, I'm ever were exporting power fracturing natural gas in a boat work were put now then Biden comes in any, goes no more than was shut down those pipeline shutting down the drilling on federal lands, said Babo Block, and- One goes ok, what's, but what's plan and he says not we're just shut down, and so they shut it down and then gas doubles. And now we're worried about having a fuel and then were exporting it from the Saudis. Are the OPEC nations are whomever and that's like? Well, that's not a plan that why can't we just shut down the nuclear power plant, the planet the be shut down the nuclear,

our plan and then flip the on switch on the shoulder farm. That's working magnificently can't just be I'm again stuff and I feel like that's the problem. in general, but the climate change people like shut down the pipeline shut down the fracture shut down the nuclear power plant. Okay. Now why then border an import oil from the rock from the Russians that's for, that, doesn't like enduring land and you get basics is almost bizarre situation that you have, I'm calling the OPEC Essential from the plane during to the climate summit and asking them please produce more oil. And what that shows. You is whenever the cost start hitting consumers most politicians back out of most of their expensive climate. Promises. It is not a good plan. we say I really care about the climate. I want to go all new bear. I want to go all renewable unless it

actually costly, in which case I'm just gonna renege on the whole thing. No, you have to find a plan can survive a lotta congresses and survive a lot of president's and actually be stable towards a place where will emit a lot less carbon and be better off. At the same time, this at the time that whizzing right now what happened? in Germany. So they got very excited about the idea of they could lead the world on renewables essential, so they both wanted to get rid of nuke It only happen after Fukushima. If you remember the big tsunami that hit and and and of course our terrible tragedy, and in that context Fukushima was a very small parenthesis for Japan. But luckily scary, and so the chancellor, in Germany? So, let's also close all nuclear power plants, which makes no sense

is about like Germany is Sir, in any danger ever since I am a bit ripe and anyway, so you this situation, but they want to go renewable I've spent an enormous amount of money up so certainly above have a trillion dollars. Indirect support in in U S dollars over the last twenty five years. They have some of them, I asked energy costs in the world and they have almost not caught there but emissions. Why? Because they also shut down their nuclear power plants and, of course, when you shut down that most of it will be filled up with fossil fuels. So you have this absurd situation that the Germans have spent? Madame one either incredibly proud of what they have cheap. They have caught alive we'll see you too, but not very much had enormous cost has not away to show a case to the world? Here's how to do it? If anything, it chose most people. How not to

and did they have to cut the deal with Russia to do the pipeline? Chats of course We are also now actually hugely on Russia for gas, because you can't run solar and wind right now without having backup. Remember You gonna do when there's when there's no wind or there's no sun alone. People sort of sick, show you suggest all batteries, but right now hey, while has less batteries. Remember most of these are actually known. Electric cars, less batteries to store one minute of our electricity consumption there. You can just can't make this up. We cannot in any religion. Timeframe. Imagine that we would be able to sort of store for so even months, this the necessary power, and that's why you need gas as a as an intermediate fuel, and that, of course, why you need Russia, because,

five minutes not producing mouth and because Europe is actually said, we don't want to frank. Is this so fair statement to this sort of look at the whole thing kind of philosophically witches We have a technology, That runs our modern society. That's you hundred plus years old oil fuel fuel, essentially and we haven't liked that notion for a long time. Because it feels old and it feels dirty. So we have said. We are going to push towards future with solar and wind and hydrothermal or whatever were whatever were proposing and voice like. You have said for you, but weren't there yet so we can push. We can't just push. There were not there yet and I think

the voices who champion it are short of going well. We're not yeah, but the only way we're gonna get there is to make gas ten, a gallon and really make things hard on people who choose to drive a car with internal combustion engine in it or run a power plant off of coal or whenever it is once we make it worse. Ways that are enough. That'll get us there more quickly but as we ve seen in Germany, it doesn't seem to get us there. They get rid of one thing that didn't the future. Doesn't work, enacting and others a pipeline going to Russia and alone, call being burned in Germany again so absolutely right. Look. You can't just do wishful statements and hope. Somehow you arrive there, and I think that to a very large extent, what's happened. You ve said, We really really really want to get there so

just russian. There know that, but that's not a plan. Just like you point out before. I think the second part is that, in some way, we better truck just try to Russia's fast ahead, as we can until somebody like Trump comes in disrupts the whole thing, sat politically makes a slight bitter of sense. The reality again. Here is, if you want to do something for two thousand and fifty, you can't make policies a mere DR gasoline up so high that people, is going to vote against it very just gonna like balsam arrows all around instead and no just protest against this kind of thing, and they I'll be back to square one or almost back to square one. You have to find a way. That's both cheapen author. Most people will accept it, and that smart enough that this will actually succeed and unfortunately, that means you can't do this tomorrow. What is in the future, what do you know? I also couple things I'd

hold a lot of faith out for government politicians, but there are Entrepreneurs, scientists, like Ilan, MOSS, coming, not he's not a scientist but rob past Billy, he is, I don't know how to define him, but the point is, I feel like guys like that, are going to solve this problem for as with technology, enough talk before about people ways a great power sort of beyond nuclear, but sort of with elements of that, and it is there some technology that may be way being for us in the future, to either create the power and or to scrub the air, the carbon capture, Things must just talk about it before and I do Leave the guys like you and I are short of more like look. It's not that the I'm it isn't gonna change its. If we're going to innovate,

see, may rise, will build a sea wall. It may get hotter in Arizona will have more air conditioning in old. Like that's kind of my head on it, I don't know. Some recent feels ugly to people who are constantly talking innovation at that, whether or not into that innovation during their innovation. It has to do with windmills, which does it really feel innovative to read, feels kind of old to me. But what's your take? Is there some thing looming on the horizon from a technological standpoint that might might be a game. Changer So I'm gonna tell you one exciting story, then I'm gonna give gives out of it warning sign around us. So yes, there are some exciting opportunities and you're absolutely right that young Elon Musk could be that one guy who, just in events, this amazing thing, those save us all. So Craig

you're the guy who crack the human genome back in two thousand, but he has his idea of taking it usually Jean modified algae and the ocean surface and let them so sunlight and co2 and produce oil. we hardly them out on the ocean surface and we basically run on tyre fossil fuel economy off this oil. Remember it just soak up this Two on the oceans are for so essentially this is carbon neutral. This could be an amazing statement of how the world could work out, There's a lot of reason to believe that this might not happen. It certainly commercially viable yeah, but this is one of the many sort of soil. wacky ideas by really smart people that could work. But I but I want to sort of place him come and say. I think we have to be careful not to believe just one Elon musk- could do that, could do the whole thing look, for instance, on the Iphone which serve. I ironically was was

produced by up. What's his name, scientists getting. Is our jobs, Steve jobs? Anti? Yes, if we just look at his his innovation. It was made possible by an enormous amount of grants, from mostly from dark, Other places allow other into their inventions that he then brought to other into those amazing piece of product called the Iphone right now. Came out of a lot of university funding lot of science funding and that's what we need also in order facilitate the eland? of the world to me The amazing breakthroughs, so what we have to do make sure that we find a lot of the basic research. We do this, for instance a medical science. We recognise that the big farmers articles are not going to sort of magically pop up, but a price. X out of nowhere. They come out Do you know about me of science, research that have fostered front?

thirty years in academia and then eventually opens up for something that can then both. Generate lots of profit and benefit humankind. We need the same kind of thing, because unless we have that innovation, we're not gonna get to the place where you can, Make that fool shouldn't. We do that Algeria the oceans surface these many many other ideas, so Actually, we need the backup framework for he'll in Moscow and his lights, solar verses, wind. It strikes me that wind that doesn't seem to have the promise that people people are enthusiastic. several years ago, doesn't seem to be, is viable as far as it was sold or ostensibly, as we do, As you know, years ago, of solar, verses, wind and which which one has more promise

down the road so you live in California, so solar, probably more profitable. it. Certainly terrible hearing in Sweden, but likewise almost always windows a wind, is a better idea. Here is probably also that idea see where you can have no sort of consistently the large cities, but the trick to Both of these is to recognise that you have. The very predictable low solar every evening, You also have in the winter time and you so have you days or even weeks when its overcast and you'd. Similarly half the problem with wind that you can get in these doldrums, and very often at exactly same time when it's either very cold, a very hot, where you need the are the most, and so the real problem here is not that you dead. A power for the first little bits of it

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I go dot com, a guy's, J, color, suddenly podcast called uncut with J color. Most of you know me from the official summit. We see me on the ground, and so you know me from the reality world. Each week I'm taking you along with me as we discuss football turning topics and wherever they went on to my liking umbrella. People are especially in my life. teammates friends as a mere people like respect, that's what you said they're right podcasting. I think I'm doing this right. I can't wait to get started with you now on cod Jake Cutler Apple Pie, gas Pont cast one spot, a fine wherever you do your part? Yes, I'd be orn. We talk a lot about climate talks a lot about power. We could damn talk about tat covered as you living in Sweden. Sweden did something that I think kind of surprise the war

Certainly in the United States is eight. They took a much more sort of level it in less reactive approach to Cove, Ed, we now have the we meaning us in the United States now have this weird relationship with Sweden. It's kind of here. It sort of like the relationship we have with bill. Marts Ike wait a minute. I thought he was one of us wild now he saying things that seem like they're coming from the other side will we deal with them now and that's how persuade my whole life and I grew what a hippie mom in Sweden very they around nude and their children drink wine and everything is fine and they have health care, and you know blah blah blah blah blah Sweden, Sweden, Sweden and now, Sweden that we're not shut down the schools and we're not gonna quarantine, people lock ripple their house and now we we, then I'd states were like what are we Sweden? Now we don't know because they're going against are crazy

action, airy staff that we embrace so much, but weedin. I'm cares what we don't here. Anything about Sweden in the United any more, so the our news works out here and in sorry for the Rand Bjorn, but it's what do as we go. Taxes is not gonna. Have mass mandates of Lord as not gonna have mass get the body bags of they're gonna full, stadiums with ninety thousand people. All this is gonna, be a feast for Co. Is South Florida taxes, taxes Florida and then nothing happens and you never hear another goddamn word about taxes are Florida you do the same, which means it worked out. Fine for Texas in Florida or relatively fine compared to California, where everything got lock down and we ended in the same place we ended but the same result, maybe even a low better in Florida and taxes that we didn't caliphs have, we locked ever went up and they did so

it was all talk about, Sweden's that lock and down they haven't closer schools, no updates really, because the updates crap on their points and then hurt their argument for further lock. and other government overrun each policies, but you live there so tell us why always dangerous, too reliant on a single act impression. But yes, Sweden, for a variety of reasons, partly constitutional. They couldn't shot down I'm pretty sure the politicians would have liked to have done that, but they can't and so base Sweden ended up doing what action It was in most of the pandemic, measures that have been agreed before a covert that you tell people they have to stay We must therefore give their sick they have to get to. so long as soon as they have a suspicion. There's something wrong: they have to keep distant.

socially dissing stands, distancing, bought we're not going to shut down schools, because that's where kids learn is very unlikely that kid, so the main players that you'd transfer a covert also- and we are seeing this now, if you It really scary, with kids and covered in doing pandemic. It becomes really hard to open up the schools IRAN, which is what a lot of nations and our realizing how Do this and say now it's safer your kid to go back to school Why, of course, is the whole economic issue, how much you want to shut down a society. The more you down the costly. It is the more you also save uncovered, but you have to make a balance here again and I think slightly inadvertently, Sweden got a lot of right. They did get something's dramatically wrong. For instance, those waiting infection that gun into old people's homes and our wishes one of the reasons why Sweden had a lot of deaths at the outset that Sweden,

ended up pretty good and a European It was not the Bastard, Denmark and Norway had much better outcomes, but again we're talkin, in the order of ten some people that died more. And then my in Sweden compare to Norway and Denmark together, which is about the same population, and you Had a civilization are a nation that didn't have to lock in advance, some researchers actually got to ask people. How much would you be willing to pay to avoid being locked down four different amounts of time, and what a turnout was that the entire mount of extra mortality as way by the fact that people were willing to pay for that just for avoiding eight weeks of lockdown, as if you ve lived through a lockdown, you probably can understand and most of our kids right We learned a full year, unlike me, Other places that have had extensive distance lorry

which we now know learns almost nothing well. We also have a problem here in California. Which is we do things such as the schools down and then We react in a way that is way way of and it's always safety first, so we lock everything down and we cancel school for a year plus then later on. When the science comes out, or when the other examples, Sweden in Florida and other places that didn't shut down their school for a year, the data starts coming out, turns out, Shutting down. Schools is not a great idea. Schools are in a great vector for transmission it just it was idea there were wrong now they have a problem, they can admit they were wrong or they can do. pull down and keep explain about why you know I hear

These talking heads from the CDC on the news every night saying what you gotta get your five year old vaccinated, so it's safe to open schools, and then we get them back today that so they can return to school safely. That's like what data suggests this, What what other places are doing? That's how come in Europe they are not doing this in their schools are open. So now they have to do the fly their whole herbal idea and us Julie, build a time machine to retro actively make themselves correct because there He'll be other situations that crop up from time to time and we're gonna go to them for answers and when we find out the wrong about every thing we're going to stop listening to them. So now you can you get, centrally. There's two punishments: you get punished because close the scope for a year, and then you get points again, because they have to justify the first punishment so now they then an act, a bunch of

their hanging, plaques glass from fishing string. You know a ceiling and people are walking around it because they can't hear the parson that's another site. nothing to do with science. There are literally take a virus that will push right through. Oh, a mask our piece of cloth or gator over your mouth and were hanging a piece of waxy glass in front of the teacher. This isn't, this is insane, but they have to do it. It's all theater and its to justify the initial bad decisions they make. You do see that with climate is well, they they may A bad decision, and then they'll have to pulled down on it, We certainly say this with climate, so deep there United Nations saw a new climate summit. There's gonna go on for the next year.

X in Glasgow and it's the twenty six meeting one of the things you should take away from matters right, so we ve got twenty five meetings before that that didn't work in a moment really surprised about the way, but a lot of people say climate is good. Discharges, all we're gonna destroy the world, we gotta do something. So let's do the stuff that hasn't work last thirty years. What wave? If you really care about this Why wouldn't you do something that works better, so the EU? actually did assert study of how much did the last decade, so the two thousand tens actually do for How much did the climate policies we acted? So Paris and all that stop. They tell us, that is a lost decade, that's their words lost decade and they say we cannot tell the difference from well that we actually live in a world,

where we hadn t bother at all with climate. Since two thousand and five that's gonna, make you wonder ache. So all of this but we ve gone through Obama. Now the Bible, all the other promises Paris agreement, all the other stuff. We can tell the difference that tells you that you gotta go and differ. Direction than just as other one, where we're going all meet up and power lots of stuff and break it. One come home here, maybe the difference between Sweden and the United States. Sweden is just this much in on climate as the It states is maybe more so, as you stated at the beginning of the interview, but the night, states in I dont know if Sweden feels this way, we feel even though, were a small percentage. If you know that we have three hundred and thirty million people, the planet has at seven eight billion people on it. We think we can connect

all the entire planet, with our minority of people over here, which is, just kind of America. Being America like a lesson. Adults are in charge, listen world will dictate will will fix things. It's gonna. We treat it like its world war. Two in our eye. We're gonna have to come in here and mop up, take care these people because they are incapable of doing it for themselves. But Sweden is such a small nation compared to the United States today, still have that feeling. I know Gretta Thumb Birgus up their stumping, Do they feel this weird empowerment like we do so, I think, not Sweden's waiting is way too small, but the EU is now it's a pretty big bog afforded fifty million people, but but I think they are feel like what else are we going to do? This is their way of

an identity, something that we are doing in that we are known for. I am always very surprised about the fact back in two thousand or just now, the two thousand, the EU decided that it was gonna, become the most innovative economy in the world. it was basically gonna go nets era by two thousand. Fifty, not quite those words, it did this. It did the climate which is costing a lot of money, it did not do the innovation bet. So the thing that actually gonna feeders thing, that's actually gonna drive economic growth so that we can afford all these were plentiful promises we never followed through on, and I think that's the real problem. You can't just A policy of we want to be known for the ones who who make the most recent choose for ourselves. That's not you're gonna be sex, that's not something. People will want to replicate So so, in that sense, I think you feel like here. I am moral, a lighthouse,

for the world, but in reality I think there to a very large extent, a scary ample of what happens if you just focus on climate and forget all the other things that are important. If you wanna good society voices like your own, and you tell us about your personal experience, the folks constantly talking. Oh see over here and Gretta Thumb bargain stuff that they don't like voices like your own, because. they're, all sort of visceral and emotionally base thin talking when gloom in Europe more practical and pragmatic, and then you get laid, the climate denier witches we spoke about, support the same as they do with weak with you now. Look no further than the Governor Florida. The governor Florida in the United States had bound not shut down. Schools are not making mask mandates. Are you

by the way choose to wear, masks or not where mask, but I'm not gonna make it a mandate. We're not gonna, do racks mandates and you may get, but you should get facts, but I'm not gonna make it a mandate that you get backs and even excoriated. he was a wee wee destroyed him. The media destroyed him because we don't measured kind of deal with reality on realities terms, kinds of voices in the middle of are short of emotional. I've got the vapours break down so having this sort of religious experience, which is sexually driven by atheist, but it's still a religious experience with co, red or climate change we're having a religious experience all again, driven by now, six and eighty as and then you are, the agnostic who comes in the Roman, tells them to cool down, and they don't like it certainly making and tongues at this point, one

one of the things I keep trying to do is to give data This conversation is very much driven by emotion, so member, how everyone saw the the absolutely terrifying heatwaves up and the heat in north western. You ass in Canada, how we flooding in Germany how we saw flooding. in China lots of other places. You ve seen all these tabloids answers and people have the sense that we are now seeing more and more and more catastrophes. Well, actually, we a very, very good database for all of that, we know how many people die from climate related disasters, floods, droughts, storms, why fires and extreme temperature. And we know this the last hundred years and if you actually look at it a hundred years ago about half a million people die from these disasters. Every year this year, It's obviously not done, but if used ass continent, we have data till the end of October. If you take this year, I make it so

here we will see less than seven thousand people die so more than ninety nine percent reduction in climate related disaster DAS, why because rich societies a resilient unable to protect its citizens, even if, there is more- and I would argue, that's very unpleasant for many of these- that if there are more climate catastrophe But what you have to remember is yes, they're, more heat, that's, but their fewer cold, basque. Yes, there are some places that get flooded. there are many places that don't get flooded anymore because we have technology and on and on, we have seen a reduction of more than ninety nine percent deaths of the last century because of technology, because growth and telling me this is the end of the world? Is Bosnia, Greater Tinbergen many others are telling us not because of the data, but because it feels that way. When you watch tv is not,

wait, inform ourselves and, of course its it help away to make decisions, because if your panic, you end up making bad decisions Well, it strikes me that my eyesight, about it as as lay gin and- and I do mean it that way literally- I'm saying is, is in a word I lodged goal emotional beings and we're all the same in the sense that we wish desire this or that religion is around for a reason, the religion is everywhere, for a reason where human beings there's something attractive about it, obviously just on a very basic sort of biological level. we as human beings are attracted to religion so and I've talked to Doktor drew about this a lot, because, if you think about you know the rapture, that's that something that's every religion.

Ticklish as a one day, they'll be a reckoning, and if you were righteous, then you'll be the old, we'll be fine, we'll go to Heaven, but if you weren't, there's gonna be a problem. Because a religion wouldn't really work if he said blocking out, don't drink, and I dont covet your neighbors ox in men, then you die and nobody cares, give that that's a real. good selling a set of goods? oh for religion, that that's why they all kind of have this thing. It's like your shelling. Condominium time share in Florida, you can't go, it's gonna, be a big money. Shocking you're probably never go there. You have to go, You pay, you pay, you pay, but then picture you and your family in a beautiful day. It out you have that. Has we something the end of the rainbow for for you and I see the World Europe, the United States become less and less religious, statistically

over the years. I feel like many. These other cause is clear. Change your black lives matter whenever it is have come in and kind of filled, the void and the thing about arm again. in religion well think about Al Gore and ever one Tang. You know we have eight years by two thousand and ten this is gonna happen will have its the apocalypse. there are essentially all the time are the same in a religion and many the people that are very deeply ensconced in the whole climate change situation, and I wouldn't reckon that most of the people that are very caught up in this are sort of a fee. Andorra agnostic are not deeply devout. Christians, Catholics and beyond D, have thoughts on that. I certainly think as there is an aspect of this and my taken this

is that a lot of people want to feel like there The generation that matters right and obviously in this, civilization it is I'm going to be one of those that helps solve climate to avoid the catastrophe that makes me all important. My life validated it's alive, but likely the out during the year just before the Second World WAR. I think I stood up against ashes. Bats, that's something you want to put a year, a tombstone kind of thing that something you want to tell your grandparents grandkids about same way with climate there making this incredible story so that you can fight it You were on the righteous side of us, but of course, The reality is most people want cheap and abundant electrician. In and power and jumped that's what's going to take them out of poverty. Most of that there's gonna be fossil fuels in at least the coming decades and most p unwilling to pay a huge amount of money for this, so yours

selling this whole it's the end of the world in order to convince everyone. At the same time, they have to put up with all this money, but it's not. Chile, true, remember the! U! And climate power itself tells us if we didn't about time on the net by the end of the century, would be equivalent to each one of us losing two point: six percent of our income- that's not nothing! Remember by then the EU and also expect each one of us will be four hundred and fifty percent as rich, Here she is today, so, instead of being forty or fifty percent as rich will only be four hundred and thirty four Santos rich. Yes, it's a problem. No, it's not the end of the world. This is not this. This isn't so This is not the kind of thing you want to give up for your life. It just happens to be the way that we are actually going to make the world a lot better, we're in a fix climate, smart but we also going to recognise that many of the problems that are much more important and what we can do a lot more good

Are there more voices like your own that are starting to peek their head out, without worrying about it being hit with a golf club, because I I I do I like in a lot of it, I see so many similarities, I'm in California to covered in climate witches a year and a half ago I does this thing is killing old people and it's killing sick people and the rescue Pussy Scott plight and everyone went berserk, there are more and more people now kind of Raising up kind of going, I don't think we need to show you see it with the facts. Mandate stuff with their passports and stop people are starting to push back a lot

Voices that you thought maybe were opposite of yours are sort of saying things that may be sound a little more familiar to some of the thought. You ve, had you kind of out there. On an island with this subject in lots of lots of slings and arrows coming your way Do you notice, have you know The little trend are a turner people starting to be a little more pragmatic about this. I think there's a lot of people who secretly or Korea privately hold these used in and realise how that this is the smart way to think about it? I do that these are gonna, be hidden with a big club over the head if you are lifted out of the parapet, so so a lot of people, still holding back. I think one of the things gonna change. This is now the costs are starting to become real. Remember ten, twenty years ago, most politicians could just simply say the word

who's gonna end. But if you vote for me, I will save you. We stop this to be paid later on, so they basically got to get all the benefits. But not actually have to pay. Now we have to start paying and what you're saying with the integrated energy crisis as its partly because the climate is because a lot of other reasons, but its very indicative. what we're going to see in the future. If you're gonna fix climate change, you have to make gas coal oil much more expensive, and when you do that. You will get the kind of appraising when people say what I'm I'm for a year, I'm I'm willing to go. Couple hundred dollars for this, but I'm not willing to give a couple of thousand dollars. You must be crazy, I'm gonna boat for someone else. I think that is going to happen simply because The data is not. There is a problem, not the end of the world and these solutions are not there. Yet we don't have. The technology with solar wind, for instance, without lots and lots of batteries that we can afford. What we need is a lot more innovation,

Would you? Lastly, with you agree with this analysis? They were talking about energy, so California gases like us, it's five box starting to get over five bucks. Certain places keeps goes up weekly its aim and four guys like me: I make a lot of money, so it it's not that it's not impact fall to me. It's just isn't Lloyd by it. But I'm have annoyed on behalf of poor people. It's not really something that affects me. I'm not being cavalier just it's like you could take the price of milk and you could double the price of milk a dozen affect me, because I'm not an attacks bracket that would be bothered by, but but it does affect poor guy striving gardeners trucks? I mean these guys Robin full size. Trucks are loaded with equipment. They don't

in great neighborhoods. They have to drive out long distances into nicer, neighborhoods to get paid. I saw a cup these guys in their truck filling up at a gas station by my house. The look on their face in our when that thing got into a hundred box impact fall for them varying path. I'm right next to him filling up, not impact or for me, could you like in that to sort of developing nations and fossil fuel were sitting over here. Gone just eat it to suck it up, just make us Our farm will make up put up a way come on, get some bad he's in there like we don't have money we were trying to. we're trying to get out of this. So not a lot of climate policies, our low, but like that Subsidies to electric cars are almost entirely subsidies to rich people to be able to do around these nice tests wasn't killed virtual signalling, at the same time the same thing with solar panels, and this one thing with energy

ice and so new times actually did serve years ago. Looking at where people speak, Most and gas is of course, India, rich well, meaning New York City, where people they actually say: oh the gas price should go up to twenty dollars per per gallon. something like that easy to say when you have a match her right outside your house, but it's the people especially important this is like Tennessee and New Orleans, where they have as our Louisiana, where you have. to long distances where perhaps even a water of your income goes to paying for gas. Those are the people who are really dramatically had just like in balancing work where the only way out of poverty is, if you have lots of energy, that's how we got out of poverty and that's how they are going to come out come out of poverty. So, yes, it's easy to sit and be self pleased,

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