Jake Paul calls into the podcast at the top of Part 2. Adam asks Jake about how boxing saved him from self-destruction, and what he thinks he can expect for his fight this Saturday night. Later they talk about his training regiment, thoughts on legendary boxers like Tyson and Holyfield, and what else to look forward to during this weekend’s Pay Per View fight night. In the last part of the show, Adam talks 1-on-1 with political commentator Andrew Klavan about growing up in a liberal environment, the new Left censoring free thinkers, and managing information during our continued political divide.
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fight, club dot com. Thank you for having me Adam my pleasure. So this thing that started off as a whim are due for a hobby is kind of turning into a job fighting right Jake. Yet
It's it's, this snowball effect. It started off small and how now you can't stop
so it's it's pretty crazy to see how far it's come
I'm reading here. That you said boxing's help to save you from self destruction and going crazy. Can you give us some insight into that yeah?
You know I just I just dumb felling. I found my purpose. You know,
and being in LOS Angeles, says a young, you know star and come out for the Disney Channel, you'd others the lot of
madness that you get thrown into any get thrown into this fake world. Where runs China? You know get something
a view and use you to get to the next level and he walked back stabbing you and you don't know where your friends are, as you know,
in help me find a purpose in a community were, I fell in love,
with that in a game, he summoned a focus on every single day and I felt like I had so much to fight for because you know me up my whole
Was a fight it is moving to LOS Angeles and try and make it becomes as
in overcoming all these different articles, the things that have been made in my way, so for me
I just love it and- and you like, I said it's- it's
Save me from you know
a lot of God.
It places in going down the wrong plot the path. Now they usually put those
taxing gems in the inner city to save that somebody tall blonde guys in that that Jim being say from a horrible future, but you're
ass fight was Nate Robinson, any dispatched aim in a minute twenty four seconds of the second round. That is that you seem clearly
Clearly superior in fighting skills and Nate, but Nate was a basketball player now been aspirin is, is a fighter with a kind of emphasis on wrestling and his background, but he's a fighter. So what do you expect on Saturday night
all looking. I expect my toughest challenge yet, but yeah unprepared,
and I've been train mean nonstop for fur awhile. I can't even tell you how long you happen is in training in Camp Ashraf.
Those guys with her
the gray and I'm
paired for anything that that he brings into the ring and no matter what he does. It won't be enough, and I met you. I expect that I expect the knock em out just
when they Robinson and damp and look
working for this. I've been trying to tell people- and I guess Saturday night is- is
time to showcase what I've been doing. Well,
will definitely make you legitimate fight
a guy with a serious you see record at least mixed martial arts record his son nineteen too
In one year
the size and the age on him to bends. Thirty, six,
I dont know I know his background as in wrestling, but I know you you cannot enter the sea unless you have pretty good hands is well. How good do you think his hands are.
Look I mean that there is a lot of talk of around like. Is he a good striker? Is he not a good striker
sky has been in therewith, Robbie, Lawlor, Damien Meyer. You know this.
Best fighters and strongest strikers in the world, and he was able to sit there.
In exchange for them. So what,
see. You know I guess said, and I will see how hard he worked and
see why striking ability is
The latest, before it's just, were prepared for anything that that he has to offer to I and plan on
what do you think about Dana White, saying he'd bet a million bucks on it? Is he gonna he's not gonna? Do? That, though, is a.
Will sort of way silent? You know I came back out like double your money. Up put your money where your mouth is means: Snoop Dog, your teamed up in new preside, look
a double your money up. I got my boy Jake. Let's make this
I'll bet? Let's, let's get
and then the sort of silence, so I think the user and in his mouth until it was signed a payer. What are you
This is gonna. Do for the you see if you knock out ban.
And then what's it going to do, for you are you then gonna look for more? What's so called legitimate fighters to fight verses in out you tube errors or folks from different sports.
Yeah look, I mean last fight,
when I one you know-
Sixty people called me. I, like literally sixty people, call me out, and so
it is true- I manage in the same thing is going to happen. I imagine it being a bunch of ever make eyes a bunch of boxers, so
I guess we'll just see what happens, but this is
since the start of a long journey for me- and I guess I love doing this- so
he bought fighting and just figure out who the
supported in this and and continuing to make amazing fights. What is the, what
Financials of it do you get a taste.
Whatever the gate is like, whatever they do on, the paper view is that how works yeah
each each dealers is sorted different but yeah, the there, the more successful and event performs the obviously the more everyone makes
so we know a lot of the reason I got in there in the box in as well as because of her
exciting. The business side of things are an entrepreneur at the end of the day.
Do you also think about doing so?
promoting, unlike matchmaking like putting people together, I mean event
Really I mean certain like an Oscar Della Jolla thing out. Eventually you be.
The promoter you become the matchmaker
in others deftly talks of of that, and it is something that super interesting to me
and I guess we will see whether this goes. You know my platform is getting bigger and bigger, and I would love to help young fighters
become known and promote their events.
I just want to bring in more eyeballs sport of boxing and I love this war and I want it to grow because I did think it deserves,
the most amount of attention out of any sport. Well, it's kind.
Interesting vat.
I've always followed boxing. I used to be a trainer back in the day, Bob so Box,
was huge MMA, was considered a weird backyard fighting league
Emma maize probably eclipsed by-
sing to some degree and the thing that might
bring boxing back- is these kind of what what I would call novelty fights? I don't mean that is put down by this I mean like in O, Connor Macgregor fight.
Floyd may, where these these are crazy kind of fights that my
might end up drawing more people back into the sport, and I would include Jake Paul in that I with
statement, Jack.
Know for sure- and I think what were seen as is that you know boxing- we have to look at it from entertainment, perspective,
and that's really what I want to want to bring to the table and help innovate in sport
because you look at the NFL right there's,
time shows. There's mass Scots there's no fire
there's planes flying over the stadium like with boxing,
he's gonna show up the bell rang. Is there
vertical browns nets. So how can we make it
sport of action more entertaining? I think. On Saturday night you're gonna see you know that
devolution of that with all these days
actors, performances under car.
Speedo skids throughout the whole entire show is not just about the fight it's about.
Whole entire broadcast. Gina. Just
people like myself what what is a day of training, look like to imagine every day is different, but would love to get an idea of what that looks like.
Yes, I would like, on a super hard day, will it will be hitting it at two x? Wake wake up in the morning, maybe hit a five
six seven miles joy was at his neck work out. Pushups air crawls
doing the this and and conditioning pool ups
and that'll be the sort of the morning work out
usually go like a recovery with like ice baths
saunas stretching all of it
and then usually in the middle of the day, you take a nap disorder, regain some energy
and then you go and you're nighttime boxing work out and that either constituents
sparring you know, hitting the heavy bags working on the midst, speed, bags, jumping rope and just
punching plunging things for an extended period of time bear crawl,
as my gay porn name by way of aid
It is
with you, let's just say, a knock out Ben Aspirin, whose
give us three or who would you be or fantasy fight for your next fight? Who would you like to call out.
You know, I think
we will see if it's hard to say and do you know,
think a lot of the fighters who want to fight Dane away ass to let the matter there. You see contract to be able to do it, but
this also to started with the aspiration of
fighting Connemara, Gregor
one day- and I think that is becoming more and more realistic and there's talks with
team about making it happen, I'm so
I think, J Paul verses Connor happens in the next thirty six months to two years for sure how
the? U have Justin Bieber performing. You have the black key snoop dogs gonna.
Performing well. How does that part of part come together.
As far as the Greek creative around like. How do you do you go? I know Justin Bieber orders, you know what gets Justin Bieber on on this ticket.
I think I think everyone saw how big the last event was with me in
Thyssen
and that was the biggest paper view of an history-
and so when you do numbers like that, everyone
it should be involved in the next one because they will want the you know.
Attention they want to be a reform. They want to be involved in the money side of things, the business side of things. So
Exciting for everyone involved when you, when you do big numbers like that, the other
Thyssen Roy Jones Junior,
and you were under card- is incorrect.
Comin event yeah. They say
well yeah. That was the eighth biggest paper view in history.
Yeah from from financial standpoint them the amount of money that they grossed was the biggest paper view in history. Where do you have ties in holy field given back together? Hooty like in that fight,
I'll go with uncle. My keen on I met up with with Bolton with both of them are shining with wholly field here. Aren't I
the floor anymore, but ours in Florida train. That's how you feel a bit
trained or a lot of it was Thyssen and then they're both grey.
Guys, both legends and ours,
then both, but I think I think
just still got that our power,
How is a question that may not be answerable? How much
natural ability do you think you have as a fighter. I know you train your ass off and I know you, you know
Start off doing it traditionally, but do you feel like you have gifts
as a fighter like power powers, a thing like Vigo that guy's heavy handed. That just means he has power some guy
power? Some guys? Don't it's not always what you look like you're, that your physique or your size is some guys are heavy handed.
But you only find out through training and inter sparring and through fighting
do you feel like you? Have gifts is a fighter.
For sure you know I grew up my whole life being an athlete and so
I was able to translate that into the sport and look my coach:
since
first started boxing. We're like why
you, you are ass, they have tell you you can fight, and then
this boy smoke up. My ass
everyone says that you now in their so surprise
all the time when I tell them how long I've been fighting for.
How long have you been training and fire?
Spain about three and a half years now? Yes, it takes
a long time, because not so much with the right cross, but like the upper
some of the combinations and some stuff. That's like a little more nuanced like
body shots and putting combo
Together it takes it, takes a while
the three of you not to be whereat, three and a half years is, is pretty
good? What is your best punch, your right over him.
Our semi jab probably
now my straight to what are you
Gonna come in. I know you're, six, one and and bends five, five, ten one,
What's he come in weight wise, whether you come in weight, wise are: what's your goal
wise, or did you guys
sign off on a weight.
We we were in at one. Ninety, that's just the catch, wait, just what you guys agreed on.
Yep: did you negotiate that? Did you want to come in heavier? Did he want to come in lighter cause? He probably he probably
It's a little lighter than that, and you have seen ran.
Yeah. He wanted to come in a bit lighter and of its. I wanted to come in a bit: have your arm naturally walking around and liked to o five?
so the having to cut down about fifteen pounds.
What he want to come in at
he did a you, don't really propose. I got I think, like one eighty five for one eighty, there are safe
when do you are? This is
in the weeds thing, but there's certain
no, whose sanctions as fight but certain certain folksy after
what way and they are fine. Other debt places you weighing the day before. If we win the day before you can dry yourself out, will make weight and come into the ring within fifteen twenty pounds on Wendy Rise, where.
We're doing away inside the data for which is pretty pretty
Typical now that sort of which
the across the across the board
see I'll are definitely alone there in the ring and
As for the game like we towns and like an hour after the way, because your name like dry yourself out how'd, you do that
yeah. You know it just just limiting your meals and water consumption in the days leading up and then
sometimes you have to jump in the Sunny South Africa ponds
where yeah right now and then how much you have to get down. We can figure it out by Saturday.
I'm here? How one
one ninety eight ninety eight right now, so I not six more problems with this
the thing- and this is an interesting thing and I think, a lot of people kind of road. It offers some sort of circus side show a few years ago, but it's turning and do a thing. I mean this thing. Is it the Mercedes Benz Stadium,
And at last- and it's got a bunch eva listers, performing on it, whose
who's on the under card. Is there any anything we need to know about the undercurrent?
there's that there are some good fights Regis Programme whose, like one of the nearby things up and coming stars and ensure Joe Fournier, is fighting the sky re kind, whose like a big spam,
ouch
colombian artists.
And here
There's some other interesting fights, Frank Mere, whose you see now from larger legend is going up and Steve Cunningham
So I'm excited for that. I know I'm Frank mere is he
Frank mere? Has it
I don't know he has a record, but he said a lot. Lotta heavyweight title fights in the sea, but I don't know who is fighting.
Steve Economies is a former world champion incurs away, so he's got a lot of boxing
Pedigree is well sort of a legend. From
boxing in alleging from. Did the Europe see cruiser way,
is the weight between light. Heavy weight and heavy Weymouth refer fur.
Yeah? That's gonna, be this? Can we have fun night? What is what's the paper view cost?
its forty nine ninety nine and you can get a traveller fight club dot com, but it's also Justin Bieber concerts. So you can really get another. Hang fear back wow
This is again entertainments, entertainment and I'm gonna get this thing and watches thing. It's gonna be to be be a fun night and they again
in a way. I feel like the
these kinds of fight now
are short of what the. U S was several years ago, were people some people scarf
one dishes and boxing and then again just its entertainment. It's a combat sport is something different
We wish you well
on Saturday night will be, will be watching.
Thank you. I really appreciate it again, thanks for having me on and on
it's almost a tradition out
come on your show before I knocked these guys are good luck. Charm, thanks Jack, all appreciate it.
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Good to see you how you doin
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So you you got an inn
sitting room.
To where you are today went to Berkeley.
Your dad was a radio New York radio DJ
your grown up
You ve had a really interesting path to wear
ended up? How did you get from? You know young Berkeley, student and
green rider, a novelist
to what I I I guess. Conservative talk show us yeah. You know
I was always a bit of a do. I was a liberal. I grew up a liberal, and that was my family background and that's you know you kind of the air I breathe, but I was always a little bit disgruntled. I was disgruntled by now. I worked on the campus rate.
Station for awhile and they had a native american block in a black block, and things like that, I thought it was nuts and when
started. Basically, when the backing decision came down when they started with affirmative action, I thought
liberals or out of ideas. You know they just haven't
figured out a way to make things right. Foot for them
according to their vision and, ultimately,
and when Reagan was elected I thought would all liberals thought he was a warmongering stupid. He was an actor a fool
and one day and watching television and the Berlin Wall comes tumbling down, and I just remember thinking you no devil. Buzzard was right about everything and
after shortly after that, I moved to England, so I went to anyone for seven years and what happened there was away from America and away from a man
in politics and with american policy
it's totally out of my mind, had a chance to shape my own thoughts and shape. My
ideas. Why came back I suddenly
discovered that the guys were saying what I was thinking. What guys like
Limbaugh and grew at National review, and I realize right in the middle of a kind of a hot, be known
Hollywood career. I realise that I was on the other side of everybody. I knew I was kind of a is coming.
Him as a shock to me, because I've been far away from american farm
from the O r Paul.
Based on what we were talking about
I grew up
very liberal environment as well. I never went to Berkeley or college had all but
my mom was very liberal, very kind, a hippie progressive and
My grandmother was that way: issues even like a communist for awhile and
Everyone is very sort of hippy progressive and very liberal
and there's couplings. I notice. I noticed two things I notice they were born.
And they were miserable like those
two things that I leaned right off the top and just
the constant state of you know. What's going on with the indigenous people was one big extended episode of Billy Jack and I was living in the middle of it ass, a God
fox or so miserable and then
as I hung out for a while. I noticed that my mom was wrong about everything. Every prediction
she ever made. She was wrong about. She was worried about the microwave ovens reassured about sitting to closer the tv sad. She was in a constantly convinced that the man and white bread was gonna. Take us all down, ironically,
The only thing my mom never worried about was the son. We would be outdoors and cut off running through the sprinklers for nine hours in a row you now in the middle the summer in the San Fernando Valley and am sure everyone has skin cancer now, but it's funny
she never rail against were we.
It about the sun, because the sun was natural enough
what that wasn't created by the Man Union Carbide didn't make the sun. So was this weird?
paranoia about corporations and this.
So bizarre relationship with the government- which is, I hate, the government,
But please give me another welfare check and some
food stamps agony, but I still will hate you the key
I'm fear of oppression and other freedoms gonna take to make an away.
Person ever the only people who ever told me not to say something with a chain
Something was wrong were all on the left. No right, wingers ever told me to shut up only
only on the left- and I remember things like
remember the reason I left the country. This is literally the reason I left the country for seven years sitting a dinner party with my wife and we have just had a son and we had a daughter- and I said,
Boys and girls are really different and the
your dinner party whence silent as if I had passed.
You know it was just like your absolutely just embarrassed the light that those words come out of my mouth and I turned to my wife,
a baby will the country could get matter. I'm not
a place where I cannot say the most obvious things where I can't say what's right in front of my eyes, and that is
metastasized at this point where people are just absolutely terror.
The walking down the street terrified of saying something wrong in America.
And it's all the left is all the left. We fascists we oppressive. We raised this terrible people telling anybody anything we're not telling
but it is shut up, we're not on anybody to lose their job. We're not
any that's up, and yet the left
constantly wit, worried about the rise of fascism. While they tell corporations twitch everybody
now it is a bizarre lack of self awareness why
can't figure out of it's just all projection
You're, not a man like I live
now, for we have gathered Newsome
gave a new some calls. Trump
a fascist dictator and then explains you have to shut your business down. Otherwise, you're gonna get arrested and you're gonna.
Can't play volleyball on the beaches. You can't paddle board in the ocean or we're gonna sender send
T boat after you, it is it is it all projection like
especially this discussion of freedom of speech,
look we're all the warrant, but we, but are you, are you for it? You know when I, when I
plain about this on Twitter, a lot of times leftist will come on and say: oh you're, just unhappy
can't, say, races, things behind closed doors and the factors
I never do that block of war they talking about and it feels like there actually revealing their own conscience. I
a combination of from projection and deflection. I think the powerful people Meares here's the equation, powerful,
love power that you don't get power unless you low power and when she had power, you want more power. The base
Conservative principle is that the power of powerful people should be limited. So I think that when powerful people
I too call as racist and saxon phobic and all and fascist you'd think that
even moderately intelligent leftist- would start to say. Ah you know my being played, but I think at this
in time? The powerful people are deflecting attention from themselves. The rank and file operate,
acting on to us their projecting on to us the things
They think are evil in them and have to be suppressed and that
is the idea of leftism based
leave it somehow. There is some perfect person that you can force other people too.
You're already. I guess there I don't know, but like you there, you are going to force people into being the perfect person.
My point of view. A life is
Life is gonna hilarious and, if you're not like making fun of
people making funny yourself and kidding around about stuff and feeling freedom
we'll all that are you're, just gonna, be
lean up steam and hostility. There's gonna have to come out somewhere and I really think that's what's up on the left, a more humorless bunch of
angry blame blaming people, I've never seen
and yet I guess I like I said I think it's projection in the rank and file, but I think at the top its deflection. They
what they're doing they own the media? They know that
call us names and have it stick and make it stick. I think
a good technique. It works while other tat
make. Is them punt
painting everyone with such a crazy brush such a wide brush. You know, like, I think,
self, as a liberal I get called,
right wing with all the time. Now, when I
rob in order to be right wing. You had to be
the Boar Shan have a gun,
John Wayne movies be worth
yes,
an atheist, I dont know a gun Agnes.
Stick on abortion. I, but of o
said my entire career indo microphone. You want to grow pot plant, your backyard girl pop point, your backyard, it's your backyard! If you're paying taxes, if you
showing we'd in others is twenty five years ago. If you're selling it to the neighbour kid, then ok, maybe the government gets involved with that. But I was
sort of small government and staying out other people's way and pure just libertarian ism
again somehow
and this is the interesting brush
pushing back against huge government overreach and closing down businesses, outdoor dining when there's no sign
and behind it,
and then somehow I become some right wing q and on guy, which
part of the plan that paint everyone with this brush who dares
I agree with you and what do you know, and I don't even know why half this shit's political, you know Hydra clerk when it should be political. If you want to take it, you should be undertaken, consult with your doktor. Why does everything so? What
I ve done this is fantastic job of taking guy,
like you and me who are free thinkers who
you tell me the subject and I'll give you my answer. I dont have a set. I dont have a set of answers to to give you an and again you pick what you were very typical.
Right wing things like religion and abortion and drugs and guns. You couldn't check any those boxes with me, but somehow, because I'm
down with crazy Gavin knew some or Joe Biden or whatever the next piece of legislation. Is it's gonna shut down our freedoms even more because I'm not down with that then now become
right wing and by the way you're, not just right wing you're you're.
You're, right wing or super right wing
It's insane embryos should push back against it on this,
Here's the thing I mean they're, making this hard as they possibly can to push back at all, and for me this is the dividing line because I have to admit, I become more of a conservative, characterise overtime. I'm working on becoming
strange amount fraud and try my best, but the IRA? I just
just to have it the appetite, I think, but the committee, the dividing line,
we talk about. Can we discuss it? Can we argue about it? Can I be wrong and not lose my job? Can I save some
it's a little untoward and not be hanged in the public square wine,
me. Why can't we do that? Why is it possible that two people sit down
say you know what I've, maybe maybe you're right. Maybe maybe I am herbaceous. Maybe this is a terrible thing. I want to put forward and just argue about it. I mean I've argued with racist, have argued with all kinds of people, and then you know I didn't turn to smoke. I didn't disappear.
As if we so fragile? If we hear even here and idea that may be
toward or maybe even ugly, that were somehow going to become that thing we're going to be transformed in the moment, I could care less what people think
most part, and I want there to be argument. I want there to be discussion. As I have always said, the movie Business American was thrown out of Hollywood for being Lamb and, as I say,
but I don't want them to stop making movies. I just want right wingers to be able to make movies. Do I want people of all kinds of
everywhere on the spectrum to be able to present their vision, not just at the movies but on tv
how long is it, how boring as it its return on with eight nine comedy and
Ray single comedian as the same set of opinions at your. How can that be
How can it be that, like only one set of people, get to make jokes tat, the other set of people? And how is that supposed to be good?
country the, while dividing line? The speech that speech
You know, that's! That's it! That's the openness to the out! Well,
There's this
I've been yelling about for a long time and I have a way
predicting things
fifteen years ago saying, if you let every jack,
aspirin their dog on a plane because they got a note from their doktor. Evidence can be travelling through dogs and then their became my problem with people travelling with their dogs and now even stated a bunch of rules to correct it.
See things coming down the road I wrote,
walk eleven years ago, called in fifty years, while be checks.
Mostly to snuff, I predicted happened much faster than fifty or so that's what I do. I figure
which way the wind is blowing and
whole thing
this whole race issue, where
Obama's out there doing it, I mean you have
traditional race, hustlers AL sharpens in your Jesse Jackson, but now you have a kind of quiet version anymore.
Unified version that they Obama's do an opera does and everyone's been doing, and now it's
destroy this country. How could it how? How could this work in any country? There is no country. We could pit this
it is against this new, false or whatever Rio and Doktor Susa Span. Now, so we can't you sad example, but I was listening to the radio.
Today, and this is something Tucker Karlsson- is kind of been saying as well and guys, like Danish Prager,
had a white lives matter Railway and Like Huntington Beach last weekend or five hundred people. How long can you have a black lives matter before you have a white lives matter? How long can you talk about systemic this and cops that and teach
nickel ratio? How long can you do that before you crate
and showing forget about Jim Crow. To point now claim
two point: now: are the clan exist yet it exists.
Not really not barely, not any meaningful numbers. How long before the other side goes well all right! We're
start our own league we're gonna, start
it started with white lies matter rally I was in hunting and regions can be a lot more and then what
What's your argument against them with your eye
Is it all whitenesses bad? What's your honor with somebody says no witnesses good I like whiteness, and on an old down on the all in with my whiteness? What's your argument, gonna be dont, be racist, evil
through that argument away because you been as racist as it's possible to be its oppression.
You know it is funny in America
racist, come under
tat. Every race has been made fun of every reason been excluded,
and I do understand that that black people have this the extra step that they have to take, because the oppression happened here I mean most of us
so our families came here to get away from oppression watchwords.
Dear and change- and I understand that that's another step. You have to take another imaginative step, but if you don't take it, nobody can fix in the past,
then go back and change those things which things are done their finished, and they did.
Do you happen to somebody else is kind of reward: Lish Insistence that you're a victim, a relentless insistence that you knew alone of all the people in the country up to be treated spent in a special way has got to backfire eventually become.
Either the argument either. The argument is: look
Racism is not a good thing. It is a good thing to treat all people like children, a God role here or together the
planet is the site as well marble. We sit near the middle of fast endless space.
The idea that we're gonna hate each other over this stuff is ridiculous
That's your argument or your argument is one reason better than another and that it should be.
Battle who wins out. I mean that's that's what you're saying now is eventually white people going to say in a little while an awful lot of us, Genoa and we're gonna fight back on this, and I don't want to see that happen, and I think that this is a country that can easily digest people of all races, make them Americans and let the Americans, but that's, not gonna- have
when a you keep harping on the race tissue and be kept
people that America is inherently races and the goddamn politicians with
in building up the drama was scared of people who look different than you.
Such horse shit
so insulting her staff. I mean
I live in LOS Angeles it it would be impossible to exist if, in fact, you are scared of people who look different than you imagine living in LOS Angeles, our what that guy he's armenian I'll, get him away from me. I really would be that the most
tortured existence imaginable would be living in LOS Angeles and scared of people who look different than them. First off
like to have sex with most people who look different than me.
There are very definitely look. They look sufficiently different, I'm looking for the most different from me, so I can have sex with them. I do
When I have sex with my own dapple gang this
no shit, it's show insulting. Now in so here's the question.
What percentage of people believe at versus
Percentage of people are, just God, damn cowards and just kowtow in just go along, because I think there are so many people that just go along. I think so too,
I think what you have, what would but becomes confusing as there a group of loud mouth activists in every single one.
These identity situations who come but themselves forward
representing the group that they are acting
behalf up, so you know
I'm an artist and work with gay people, all my life, most, the more kind of conservative people, their talented people, the guys I've worked with a wild and good guys, but then again
I go and tell some baker in the middle of Colorado that he's gotta celebrate their life with a cake, and he says I can't
that because of my religion, and so they
try and shutting down that guy begin,
comes to represent, gave people in people's minds, people think what the gate is of those guys go in and they shut down your your cake shop. So you don't want to mess with them. You don't say anything about it, but I dont like them very much. You know. Just it just goes underground. The hatred just goes underground. Most gay people, I think, are looking at that.
Can leave the guy alone. What I'm bakers stupid gave you know, and I think the same thing is true
I don't know it seems to me that whenever anybody, the actual leaves his newsroom, which woman was never happens and goes out on, the street naturally talks the black people.
The streets. They don't like you dont to fund the police, because
kill it's saying you know, I'm not a victim. I just want to build my business. I want to do the thing that whatever it is on doing, but they have
I wish to make me think about think about this well, by the way they know that don't define the police in. I have an idea. Of course I have an idea just could not yet night right. Yes, I mean about this weather,
Not Derek Chopin was the bad cop and whether or not that was a bad arrest. Put that aside for just a minute,
George Floyd was, I messed up guys a guy with the gun on a pregnant women women, while his friends whom invaded her house
that's what he did and now there are pictures of autumn, all over the country, with little angel wings floating up the heavens to you're, saying
people? You know you're here I was not Clarence Thomas, it's not yielded the greatest
some of our age, not Thomas saw one of the greatest philosophers of alright you're you're, always this. Third, this clown.
Who's been in trouble is lightened, died, stuffed full of fat. No he's the guy's rising up. They haven't believes that Cooper.
That I do not believe that the rank and file of peoples around and look at that and say
that's, that's my euro. That's what I want my son to grow up to be you know. I just think that this is a theory. You, a theory,
created to conserve political power, put forward by politicians and then made an academic professors, then maintained by a marginal press.
I don't think it does represent what people think this is the thing. I actually think that seventy percent of Americans agree on seventy percent of the issues and I think,
there is a wall built by the media to keep us apart to keep us hating each other and suspected
each other so that we don't sit down and talk and find the place where we can compromise
this law always been a very live and let live country yeah,
who's, gonna say like.
This notion of, like we'll, have to sit down, have an eye, honest dialogue or not. We can all just get about our low enough talk that way,
I only not talk to each other. I this means, like I,
guys I work with. I have
people in my life, I have friends, I have neighbours, we will have to sit down and have a dialogue. We just go to work,
remain and we could have that
this country is graded. Doing that and I agree the press
is going insane with this stuff. They are stoking it they're. Getting to the point
go and fall Jesse smaller, like they are just lying about stuff there,
used to be an omission. Maybe it's a commission now thing I mean it used to be
that they were kind while, if a white cop shoots,
black motorists we'll hit, that a little harder for white cops shoots a white guy. We won't give that is much ink. Now
they're just flat out spinning they're. Just
the coins show, God damned hard in every direction. I mean look no fun
then covert they're, all just dough van on the panic poor,
and they all went in and this
conspiracy theory, I knew it. I knew it early. The forcing out of my mouth is where they agents how come you're, not telling us how old these people are, how come no ages, because they wanted to
to think this was a universal offend.
That this disease could cut down your thirteen year old son as well cut down your ninety one year old Nana.
I've been going hard it covered. There were
hard
raise they ve been
They ve been like almost weapon eyes now and I don't think people really fully understand it. I feel, like people
think well, there's theirs
CNN on the left and there's fox on the right and that that's can it no now if it goes
deeper than that there's LOS Angeles Times near times. Even I mean
I turn on CBS Sixty Mincio there I saw the Rhonda scientists like hit hatchet,
they didn't like. Did that CBS? That's sixty minutes.
I mean you don't have to like Rhonda Santas, but that was
a piece of journalism that they did
that's really bs mainstream! Look at them.
Audrey voting thing, I mean that the networks are reporting
as an attempt to restrict voting rights.
That's the assumption built into their at once be Georgia's attempt to restrict voting rights as opposed to
cleaning up a messy voting system so they'll be let us fraud. It is to restrict
rights. They lie in the headlines almost and all their assumptions are left wing and part of this is a panic that fit in with the onset of the internet, with the onset of
The democratizing of information, that is when this kind of panic reached reach the panic point, reaches kind of wildfire of why
we have now is when suddenly you know I could save you hate. I collected this
nation, and I think that there was more fraud in this election and people will say- and I put that out- and people conceived on Twitter now, Twitter Hester
you down now, Facebook has to shut you down now social media has to collude together and make sure that the new long think doesnt cheap out into the into the public eye
going on really I mean this is the thing. So much of this is about failure. The failure of the
the union was a huge turning point when all these social issues I had been incarnate in that country, sudden
found themselves with millions of dead bodies on their hands and a financial and economic system that didn't work. They have done
splain? That away Ivy League normal person would have said well
it sounded like a good idea, but I kept not. I can accept a hundred million people dead, maybe maybe I'm gonna change my mind, but no instance
They went into places where those ideas couldn't be tested. The academy
the news, media and Hollywood are places where you can put forward ideas without testing them against reality, and that's where the left went because air they can say what they have to say without its ever coming a cropper, an ice
fail as ideas fail instead of just saying this idea failed or throw it away, but they do. Is they keep trying to get a hold of more
information landscape, so they can control the flow of information instead of just throwing
It adds up and saying you know, is communism thing that doesn't really do anything for anybody.
Don't know that the average amount
can knows that
Much of this is going on the here little bit us in pieces. You know you had.
If the former F B, I see, I officials all sign a document saying that the Hunter Biden Laptop
was a russian hoax, except for its not the
official. Yes, that all sign this everybody former
Actors of the FBI all signed, a document saying this signals a hoax. It wasn't its exists and I dont know
to what level legs it exists. It certainly not a russian hoax and
when the news reports that there was a Youtube round table where epidemiologists were basically arguing weather,
debating whether kids even need to wear masks at all, and you too took it down. I'm sure you're, aware of that story. I dont.
Taking down information from epidemiologists and doctors who disagree with them.
They people really. You know, what's going on out there, I don't want to sound like a q and on alarmist sky over there, but
the there's, a lot of editing going on out there and
We should be aware of it now
the thing is you know it? You remember that movie men in black, what were the alien comes down and it's a guy and then goes up and uses the misery as a kind of shut the clothing. To pretend to be a human being has basically, with the left dutch
the left as it takes over the New York Times, which, in back
It was an absolute great paper. It was always liberal. It was always to the lab, but it was a great paper. You go back and say that is a totally different newspaper, so they take it over.
Empty it out. It is now not a newspaper at all. It's just the left is talking she'd and but is still dressed up
the New York Times like men and blackmail. Yale was still dressed up as Yell University, but he'll university is in a great university, certainly not the laborious, archer anymore. It's just leftism walking in a Yale custom. Well
there very good at this. I wanted
talk about why this is good. For you, though, and the daily wire first I'll tell you about that. Guy Cody, on your rent, your home, will you do one or the other? How about you
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saw this article about being a great got felled Windsor demo in time and late night and all this kind of stuff
course. It's just create opportunities with people who don't echo the thoughts of the
Times less Angeles Times, CNN Msnbc in the list. The list goes on. So in a way the biggest Ben
factors: Ben Shapiro ride what well one hope
I mean there are doing everything they can
demon eyes and shut us down and make sure that no, I mean it's just amazing, the Fox NEWS, which has no it's a big
able station but has a tenth of the wealth of the viewer ship of the networks has just obsessed the left I just
just obsess that there should be even when one cable station, one tiny cable station, its fighting back against them, the daily wires, the same thing there. They have guys media matters. The George Soros Company that guy's listening to us every day, what a sad life that is, they listened but everyday life things that they can, that that we say that they can take out of context. So on paper yeah, it's it is great for us
they their serious. The left is serious about shutting down opposition. They are serious about shutting down free speech, the new
Time is running major major. Your article saying shouldn't. We reconsider this free speech business that they mean
there there not kidding around when Twitter. Look when, when every social media outlets can take me present
the former presently United States got seventy five million votes and silence him.
Thing has gone terribly wrong and I have friends on the right we're sitting IRAN going well, you know free enterprise. Are there not a government entity? They can do whatever they want and, unlike you gotTa
kidding me this is ninety percent of the information landscape out there and they can silence Donald Trump. I don't think so.
I think that that is going to be the way we preserve right, so yeah right now, right now, the daily wireless thriving it's doing great. We we're device,
being a voice that we wouldn't have if they weren't trying too hard to shut us up. If they were just ignore us, we're stuck
you know we will just be another voice in the wilderness, but because they oppose us so deeply.
We rise on that on that jet fuel, but still
timidly, it's dangerous to have these people rapidly shutting down speech and to have their Toby's in their followers going yeah. That's that their hate speech, H, beaches, bad and hate speeches, anything that disagrees with my speech in ITALY.
Interest moment because they are losing control. You know
kind of it was a lot of you
compared to the the invention of the printing press, which follows
This attempt to shut down all printing near by the Catholic Church, and I think that this is kind of what's happening. The internet is a threat to
french power are alive,
As we ve learned during called it are legion, our experts are idiots, they don't know what they're doing, and so they
the silence. As you say, this I was a doctor and comes out says you know you guys are wrong. They have the silence that that's what what worries me? Yes, right now we're thriving with doing great, but I
I'm worried that, ultimately, that make
the target, a very powerful people who are not hiding their motives or their methods anymore, all right
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the twenty twenty presidential campaign in the United States, was a pretty wild spectacle to watch her white. Your political perspective may be, but there was one particular bit of rhetoric that jumped out at me. It was a criticism,
Donald Trump levelled by Bernie Sanders that made use of a well known historical, Tidd bit. Here's what Sanders had to say near all fiddled while Rome burns trump gulfs
Nero fiddled, while Rome burned Trump gulfs
senator was ripping on one of the best known stories from the history of ancient Rome. That is that during a great fire, the consumed the roman capital in the year sixty four a d, the self absorbed Emperor Nero not only did nothing to help but laughed and played the fiddle while his city burned it's the kind of story that many people know, even if they know absolutely nothing.
Else about roman history for a whole lot of people. The history of Rome is basically just Julius Caesar. Beware the eyes of March and Nero fiddled as Rome burned. So, in a way, it's not surprising that this story has proved so injuring it's just too perfectly symbolic. If you need a historical example of the ruling elite being hopelessly and heartlessly out of touch, I mean this. Is it nothing quite says I could care less like playing a jaunty little tune on the fiddle, but we really should ask: is
is this true: did the emperor of Rome really sit back and put on an impromptu o down as his city crumbled beneath his feet? Well, here's the thing if he did
there was no way he played the fiddle in sixty for aid.
The violin hadn't even been invented. Yet the instrument, as we know it today, wouldn't come into being for another fourteen hundred years, at least to give you some historical context. Nero playing the fiddle is basically the same as Charlemagne shredding the elect
The guitar in sixty four, I e, the violin was end impossibly futuristic instrument, but we do know
That Nero was an amateur musician and was particularly fond of an instrument known as the liar, which was a small greek harp here,
known to put on long recitals for his advisers where attendance was mandatory, so the original story was that Nero actually plead the liar and sang ass. The great fire ravaged Rome, but there is good reason to doubt:
that story to the most trustworthy roman sources, inform us that the emperor Nero wasn't even in Rome, when the great fire broke out in fact were told that the emperor rushed back to the city as soon as he was informed. So he could personally oversee the relief effort, so Nero didn't fiddle as Rome burned and he didn't play the liar. He didn't sing. He didn't sit back all smug and laugh. Is his people suffered. He learned about the
fire through messengers and did his best to respond. Now that doesn't mean that Nero was somehow a good emperor or or even a good guy. In fact, he was probably one of the worst but the fiddle. Well, that just wasn't a thing Nero fiddling as Rome burned is a perfect example of what I call a historical myth: a little legend, the gout wrapped up in the transmission of our history and often gets repeated as a historical fact, my name's Sebastian Major and on the pod cast our fake history. We explore these historical myths and try to determine what's fact what's fiction and what is such a good story that it simply must be told. The podcast is one part storytelling and one part historical, detective
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