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racial card at all. I tend to try to downplay and go we're, not a racist country so on and so forth, and that's not what I want to get into, but I do feel like there's always been a bunch of white. free thinkers and they found. But now as many black free thinkers, and I in there's always been eccentric. Guys and weird I mean look at the raiders, they had a whole bunch of weird deeds and they all marched to the beach. their own drama and everyone applauded them, for you know, TED Hendricks or can stabler something was there's a guy like that guy man does his own thing. I feel like they didn't. Let the black man think this free. I felt like your penalized because he felt like Europe a black eyes, having white thoughts, something that maybe I sense it doesn't mean. Is it didn't you see when I was a kid and I like considered the career freshness boards I want my role. Models was Jim Brown and death,

one of the greatest running backs ever, but also because he use supplies of plants. and he was also a freethinker in he- had radical ideas But again this was in the sixties, where it was ok for African Americans would be radical in other backfire, movement and other backup. Ready, but I think in the eighties what the conservative backlash think African Americans, you know and we became more more team in We would gain more team and I not really allowed it to be free thinkers and especially in a context like football yeah and and also just to keep drilling, down on it, but they at the risk of possibly sounding racist or insulting, but I'll just keep going. were black guys who were like eccentric. Free thinking did their own thing, but you-

thing was much different than that that we, what we knew Sir Traditional you know Charles Barkley type thing. You know you're talkin about part and in and mindful mass meditation itself that I was like the that's the realm of this. This skinny middle age? Guy, like it didn't fit with the big muscular black man, Is actually the middle age white woman, yes you're, right to trying to soften the blow a little bit too, I mean that it is ready. Job do me and my wife is, is to take other classes in workshops- and I look around and I might well. I really am you know a middle age, white woman trapped in the body of a full public, and I have to get very probably well what let's talk your body, fer, a second it it's. It struck me that you just had this physical gaff, like you just have this physique you have the speed,

look obviously you work out. Obviously, everyone works out at that level, but also getting back to Jim Brown Jim Brown had a bunch of physical gifts and he just built differently than alive a guys in era for sure, even guys in today's Europe, and you had many of those same gifts, and you also felt felt to me, like you are a little bit of a reluctant parties pan in this in this is it's as if is If you were born and incredibly beautiful talk, angular woman and you got pushed into modelling and pushed into showbiz as any always kind of felt like I want to produce or I'm gonna write and they kept pushing you into this would look at you look at you. You have to do this with sir. That sum of that's ring tyrant

adding to it turned into that definitely after another Vienna FAO in another kid was twelve years old. I was watching no name for bar on you see, and at that moment whatever I do in life. I have to fight to play college football and a big football programme may so that was tat was on. My buddy list and I got to taxes and amazing time on the Lisbon treaty- and I just assumed this is the naivety of it of a twenty one year old, I just assumed, as I went to the fact that it would be a continuation of the of the same thing it wasn't in writing. One of the things that you already touched eyes I thought was: I made it to the NFL that I'd I'd be given more licence to be a free thinker and I'd have more voice. I realise that there were more, stereotypes and more projections and less of a voice. Then I started to become more bathroom reluctant I mean I considered retiring a couple years, before ended up actually doing in two thousand and four.

entire struggled with the fact that, yes, I have this physique and people always say you know you only have the small window to make all this money, so you should take advantage of its. I wrestled with these things, for time until finally besides, it is not worth it anymore, and I and I have to go, live a little bit yeah I just for people listening to thousand to Anna fell rushing yards later with the eighty nine hundred fifty three yards, and now also why sixty six rushing touchdowns, ten thousand yards rushing career was that set put you in a certain rarefied air. but I was thinking you start with New Orleans, so you start by going to New Orleans which, traditionally would seem to be pretty hospitable to an african American free. they incur, but on the other hand, you get my dead guy. He was a head coach at the time ran it. So in a weird way, have this old school

mustache mustachioed white guy, iron, my dear God, and then of New Orleans sort of together was it like? Almost a culture clash Consider next to my group, the group incendiary goeben, southern California, went to school in the south? In taxes, but I was in a bubble in the football programme in really living in the south. For the first time in New Orleans it was conscious shop. It took me it took me a year to see you again. bearings and I grew up in San Diego. You see why people are black people, and it's very easy. together, all the time to New Orleans ease our black people earlier by people like you were only with white people in any just was it was a lot, but for what I got, my bearings inevitable, and I was studying and now this money in fame Steve Guy, I knew it was just a lot me a couple of years and for things that spinning at so it's interesting has a guy work with closely MIKE August is from,

spend a lot of time in Louisiana and many every start talking me about blacks, overhear whites over there of zones like I'm from North Hollywood. California, like what talking about like now, you got its also regarded and they got this, and I got that I'm like no. They don't. This is it's the modern era. The state aid is, you know then, and have that we and I'm looking at everything through the perspective of southern California, work that culture just didn't exist Yeah suddenly definitely didn't, but I'm gonna. The experience, and I think it really open my mind.

I'm so glad to be back in southern California. The podcast curious questions with Ricky Williams is available everywhere tomorrow. As you hear, this got some good guess coming up the greater o Campbells one of a mountain curiouser, how that interview went but only Steinberg another while there's a guy who said a few highs He loves you everything I interviewed him before. So what was it like? Being coached? By did, God was? It was Tom? Did you get along these lines? today is the easy as as is he asked the media portrays him? How was that relationship So I think I think your accurate in saying I'm a free thinker, but I think also there's a big part of me. That's that's. An old school football player so, for that part of me got along with with coach jacket. Extreme extremely well, probably too well

I'm the kind of guy we're if I can walk the number and find a way to get on the field in and play so I'd love playing for visas in others, there's two kinds of coaches, there's players, coaches and in their scourges, essentially that never really played and cotton never played their tendency. To think of us is just pieces, are videogame guys, but the coaches, we played- have been where we ban in and they can relate to us more in in so decker was great. He was great, I think his downfall was. He was so old school. He didn't higher. He didn't higher better coordinator. She hired his friends and set of hiring guys that that could create schemes fell for YO a being as well

call a free thinker, but thinking much differently. I guess than at an o, your average American, and certainly your average jock for sure. Where, where do you think this came from the thing? Was a southern California thing? Is it a family thing as its or suggest something that always been within. You think it's a car is a combination of factors here. One of the things on I'm glad about my Julius question, do that through I bring astrology into a lot of things, and so now that you're here, Jim and I am also in german- and so I think it is- It's a combination of inserting. The first thing is the german ituri. Nowhere where this naturally curious or something catches. My intention, you know something my takes over The next thing I know I'm checking it out, then I think being a good so popular in our opened a lot of doors. Maureen people wanted to show me things and take me places, and I just it all up,

and I always choose curiosity over convention and its taken me some some crazy places and I knew I job in saying. I think my mom never gave me that sit in doing now much as I tried the unseen within a really really sad that do have regrets view. Wish you'd gone a market, essential rout orgy wish you'd kept your mouth shut and just hammered pay Jackson got got done with your NFL career. You know so wretched you can ever spend all that money or or not. I have no idea- so I've wondered in its actually it's regretted there wasn't more unconventional you know it's one of those things we when you're nonconventional person, you're, typically better off, been unconventional, like I said when I try to fit in a distant work in so there

Is I think, after one eyes and trophy and finish my time and Texas negotiated taken here, often travel the universe. I would have been there when I got back, but I've been ours been able to really settled down and focus on the unified. Because what better sense of who I wasn't what I wanted to do after football. No, so, when I was young, it was this out. Girls can be written famous in and I never I never thought beyond that When I got to twenty one, it was gonna like what's next, and it took me several years until I finally left football took that year, often travelled in and came back and realise that I was here for a much larger purpose than just running up and down a football field. who were the other folks that were in the running when you won your Heisman Jim couch We wanted a growing number one to the grounds dont have indeed now our railway.

Hey Nick now, and a guy by the name of Michael Bishop serve three quarterbacks and Michael Bishop, whose Michael Bishop Musical Raiment. the drastic for adding to also your whole top five work for him. Quarterbacks, and then there were you with the Heisman being a thoughtful person. Sometimes. You can't completely appreciate something is amiss: using is winning the Heisman trophy, because there's a party that knows it's all like fleeting are all just specks in the universe or, what's it all really mean anyway, you get up in your head, were you although, like really appreciate what you Donner or do you now look back on, it may be appreciated. More don't think I was able to appreciate it. I mean you further

reasons you just pointed out that there were moments of leading up to that. That I did appreciate in for me you know where I find that joy feeling is in noticing. Synchronicity is interesting, coincidences. So when I was freshmen, whereas a freshman in Texas, ninety ninety five we got to school. We were in the computer lab and are that the head of state also ok. Now we have to create email addresses raise my hand and I said, what's email and I was I guy as that in Its- it's important. Just put my name into I made my email address. Heisman at you, taxes that EU the men, and then surrender winning the Heisman tat was TAT was a cool moment, because I have a story to tell them that they are am I tell the story egg. I get goose bumps I am also, you're my junior year, deciding where the mistake for my senior year about the Unifil and I was slipping through the

as the ball almanac and I looked at the time, leaning, rushing yards and I realized tat. I could possibly reach there. Then I looked at the altar touchdowns and I realize I deprived possibly reach that and then I looked at it. our purpose yards and I was like I could possibly reach that and after That is going to come back for me for my senior year, something I can do other things and so my last game, I broke all those records olenin in a pretty much sealed. The trophies of that moment with that moment of provision, I had a dream. I had a vision and seeing it kind of correction that I can appreciate that trophy: the award for the university attacks, it is good for the programme is great, for you know every that's ever supported me since I was a kid.

those trends rewards are really about sharing it with other people that help me get there now. That's that's a great thought. Let the award is the by product of these goals that he had made for yourself, What must have been like to be one of the biggest players are the biggest player in the nation and the college level and then walking around the campus of it. what ball centric school? They are not about football in taxes and how did that haven't even process that, like literally just walking up and down campus had to be like Leonardo Dicaprio, going through valet acts or something I mean was it had work. If it was nobody

was one of those things were again the text as a Frenchman. I got a chance to play a lot and each year I slowly you know I saw you got a little bit better, so I got more pension and so finally, when I came back from my senior year, the reason came back, really was to have that feeling, but he got old pretty pretty quickly and he got to the point where you know I gotta class and then be they just have a table in the back of a classroom. Were people would put all other things for me to sign for Christmas and got crazy, but I had I felt like I earned it inside. did my best taken in straight. I mean again for a guy who's. Thoughtful like you guys, like feeling the need or not the need, but like compelled to process everything that just I guess, there's too

project is one is, is this is overwhelming, but then the other one is is well. This is how people act when you're in contention for the high men trophy or just one the Heisman trophy way: it's not Ricky Williams, they're doing this to their doing it to the person that that that is just one. The from a trophy. Like I don't know, if you are able to take me It took me a while. I took me a while to get there and I think I suffered a lot because you know I thought I'd try to keep an open mind, but I got I got swept up in my head got my had got really big and I and I lost touch and then my after my first year in it brought me back down to earth. and I started to have those realizations in it your spiritual in a bigger spiritual realizations about ok. Now, among here,

a certain amount of time, regardless of what I do. I'm gonna give you all and myself to it, wasn't at this having a weird flash back of data wearing like a big reggae, wig or somethin during his arrest conference, when he was introducing yours version that it probably would have been cultural appropriation. Now he proudly b d platform, but but. Its it was. It was all a big big joke back then ran You know that that reminds me, I know, the conversation with my with my wife and cheese she five months pregnant in so it's interpolation. I've got five other kids with a jerk there's an enormous halfway in this conversation in saying I don't understand why, when kids are born, they take the name of the father. Win You can always be sure the mother is, but the father you're, not sure

I started. Thinking about you know in the baby comes, maybe I changed my life name to her last name, I was just joking with myself- clouds like why not as they get people people can in their gender. Why can't? I change my last name, and I certainly People can change their gender nuts, that's great and that's cool. Then why people are changing their race, It isn't it the same argument that was the different. It's it's in tried with limited success, but eight it is. You know what it the kind of says to me is. We're pudding way too much stock in everything like black or white. later, female or mail. I mean There are a million examples of horrible black people and great black people and horrible white people in great lightly on horrible women from create women

There are so many it seems so Sir, to put so many of your eggs in that, scared. It also feels weird and limiting to me like a if your boy in your world around I'm a woman and a Bobo exe Lindsey. It's like you guys. as are the majority of the population on the planet. So if, in fact, your woman and your sort of using. That is your coat voluntary your shield to explain to the world how you think who you are what you are about, you, then, are in the majority of human things on the planet. How interesting is and to me not interesting at all. It's not interesting, me that you're, a woman or your black or your Asian, it's not interesting at all, what's interesting is what you do is an end edge wall, which should have nothing to do with your sexual proclivities color your scanner or any of that yeah. May I agree

this definition start with it. So limiting you know you mentioned. There are a lot of free thinkers in the inner fell, because it's hard to survive, be black and being a rethink. Like I got bullied, I got beat a blot when I was when I was young, because I was in the past where people classes, and so I think, all of these these levels you were followed by white or black, sir. Let us Billy bye, bye. how come you're like thinking. Why are acting light or something like them exactly those acting like one coming Oreo cookie, it's ours pack, other other outside mine, on the inside the YAP again tomorrow aeroplanes will always was you know, was approved. I was back to people see I were of. I would mentioning at their earlier in this programme, which is, I was telling

I always tell everyone my my real white privilege and I come from a lot of poverty, but my white privileges kind of no I'm header sex. White man is kind of knowing that I don't have to do this or act like that are gonna, be called this. If I act like that, it's just look. It's literally just being left alone, like my real point, privilege people gone fuck you get away. Rather care go, do what you want to do. I have to join the march. You don't have to join the moment, you're, not a sell out on Oreo cookie, our trade or dear, raise or whatever you this. You get kind of left. It's a real privilege, these days. This be left left alone, because if you are black- and you think that goes- you think about you- you you speak. Against the orthodoxy or the convention, all black movement or the traditional. What we think of the planet.

we should follow our vote for or be interested in then you'll be ostracize, I get left alone. I'm just a heterosexual white guy. No one, no one is interested in now I was not bullied As I was just a white kid grown up, I was Boston, but I was employed, act in black. I was good football player. I wasn't. interact and black I've. Just a white guy. You get left alone that that had to be a lot of pressure? For you, don't think it's it's pressure from the guinea famous person who who is a minority in every that's that's defined, but but I think you know, I think, the advantage to two to be as I have learned to do a diversity inside you, like you, know like this, here is a great example now covered here. Life was way. You know she was freaking out about like the bills and, as I have said,

The gap is made of the policy of it. Well, did you how much poverty did you grow up in our data, I wouldn't call it poverty, but you nobody was that thing where you know. If I want to me, we went to Mcdonald's. I can get a cheeseburger that accidents and get a dirty look for my mom. you know there are handed down, so it wasn't. My jacket I wanted something I can ask my mama GB, like ok, I'll get it. You know what I was kind of like this constant. You know Repetition in my mom saying the money was tied, her she was broken, so we would, poverty, but it was, it was the child and regret envying alot of my my friends, because I can have the quality these the material, the quality of life there you are. Your parents were divorced at six, your father, sexually molested. You you told your mother on him. He was arrested, is assault, accurate stuff if it close enough

it is a close enough, but here that's tough for a kid to be either it's gonna, be the Oedipus me over the sun. It gets dad your dad still alive. I mean obviously went on to win the Heisman trophy witches. If you pulled most dad's, I think they would say what would you like for your son, do before the age of twenty one, and I think winning the Heisman trophy be the top and a less did your dad and your life? Do you have any relationship with them he d come back into my life, so I was when I was a Texas either in Houston. And towards the end of my collegiate career. We got close again, but he got in trouble with the lawn and was in prison, but apparently My dad in prison gave him a lot of pigs. In his eleven dollars? Now, if we stay in contact, I pricing and once a year, forgiving guide in my parents. You know they had three kids,

and they were twenty one job as apparent I get it. I get it in the details of the story? Didn't really molest me was inappropriate, but it didn't go that bad. You know my mom was still gonna job stopping leaving for progressed at tat. Maybe they suggest that from sitting next to doktor for all they fears, but it sounds like your dad may have had a low substance issue because it doesn't sound like a sober the actions of a sober man? Well, you know so either in similar, but we ve been talking about my my senses, my dad he's probably wrestling with their sexuality and he was young and he was a black man in married, and I think this was a lot Nobody was super super religious out, an obvious ever even had a drink about before our railways, so I mean, there's a draw, gave a b b religion as they still vary. religious still vary.

Still there s a person, the things they that regulations is like really gonna happen to you. Do you think that some of that is compensation like some of it is a way to try to keep himself his diem down or from from exploring his sexuality like. I would like to keep myself in my lane, so I will use religion to do that. I think in the african american Community AIDS changing now, but you know forty fifty years ago. I think it was. It was toxic. You now Intense Chrissy Christianity. I think an african american communities can be very toxic. This idea, if you these negative thoughts about men in your man, you're gonna, go to hell and I think just go

You have been an environment, it messes alot of people up them, while that is that is a complex relationship to have with your dad, and maybe it led to your I mean. Obviously it had to be painful had to be traumatized thing. It also could have sent you on this trajectory. To have these two to be to think differ We then, why must I think, one of you? First of all, I think my mom was more of a dead. Then my dad is actually the disciplinary she's, the one that everyone's afraid of but I do think that inherent among that worked. She had and she went back to night school and she worked. in not having a dad around. I think you gave me the freedom they gave me freedom in order to think wanna thing to do what I want. I think I think of my day

I've been around and I had to make a big religious like he was, I am not sure that would work out so well for me. Well, here's a concept of teasing and we'll take a break. I My parents were very hands off. There were kind of lazy and selfish in whatever by the by product. Is I got a lot of time to figure out who I was what I wanted to do, what I was actually twisted, and you know I I I a guy in high cool his dad made door signs, and you talk to him two years later and loan the hall. He makes outdoor signs you now and I don't think anyone dreams of doing you know vinyl murals

No one, really dreams of that or italian evens. Your dad has a law firm and then you join the law firmer whatever, and I always think about those people like do you really feel like this is what you would have been doing if your dad didn't have the furniture factory didn't have the law firm or didn't make the outdoor signage and it sounds preposterous to think now I am above all, even if my dad wasn't involve without or sign business, I would have gravitated short, no, you one now and then isn't a little weird when you have the kind of wrestle with that, but so the question of pieces, was getting your dad the picture and giving you time

to go down the religious road, but you just go down they Ricky Road- was that a blessing we'll take a quick break. Ricky Williams is the thoughtful Ricky Williams is with us, curious questions with Ricky Worms and aim of the past and will be right back after this page Corolla Smart Girgis, we do is show called reasonable down best hour in the universe, sometimes fifty four men and some time we ve been known to do forty eight minutes as well, and sometimes in our sex, either way round We met like like, like marked bills, it's exactly like in six amended intervals, exactly every today on Apple podcast podcast, what subscribed to reasonable doubt the best hour in the universe with Mark Arrogance and Adam Caroling every Saturday on podcast one corroded,

it all and Apple Claude casts right back with Ricky Williams here, so the question theirs. Mean I I do. I had a semi miserable childhood, but the blessing was as I got to do. I got to end up exactly where I wanted to be with no pressure needing to be a doctor or a lawyer joined the family. Business will have a family business. Was this a blessing for you? It's its fascinating, because at the end of the day, essentially, I really ended up in the family business. I'm just doing it my way and so in another preacher and in a christian church phenomena astrologer and talk to people every day, and I denied I see my had come out of me when I'm preaching about above their chart? I'm sorry, I do think it was a blessing in another thing it served, as you know, my mom use. My dad is is an example of what not, what not to be what would not be

and that's tough, because I don't believe in you know talking about about parents regardless of what they ve done, because for kids they know they have with parents in them, and if you talk that about that parent and makes it hard for that, kid have a relationship with that part of themselves but you know what, when I was in a door, I get to interact with my dad and gets known as it is. As a man he's funny he's a great musician, we're different philosophies on life is hanging around I'm a good time and if it's a hell of a super data by doubt If I'm in doubt- and I am sure every time you hang out with him in his family was I seems like it be easy for you to resent your dad and to have a lot of that. I dont know if he dealt with that or you never did resent him. I mean it would seem to me-

least at the level of appearances that you you'd have every reason in the world to be better, resent resentful for your dad said a forgiving. You know it. Definitely possible that I am having dealt with it, but I don't. I don't feel I mean my mom plebeian therapy when I was six. Maybe maybe it worked right after the inverse, maybe at work, but I guess I got older, I get it. as I became a teenager and older, I can appreciate. I can appreciate the complexity of you, beings, especially young human beings. Trying to me together ass at a young age. They do I get it. You know, and I think you know four I think about time a lot and I think for a moment, my pc, my mother's generation and even a little bit younger, I think, divorce. You know it's kind of a right of passages we get into these relations perhaps one or two young even know ourselves in this area,

the claim that I'm not gonna keep myself stuck in this horrible relationship. I'm gonna make choices. I feel good to me and I think also my parents lives improved when they are no longer married. What did your mom essay? She went back to school, what ended up being her profession, she's still do in it. She became. She became a purchasing agent for the governments to abide and she made it all. The way up tonight had a procurement and state of Texas I mean it's a cheese, a great example: whenever there is a new job listing fee would apply, you know she tell us, story on the way home they care about. You know fifty applicants, then the next week maybe twenty five than ever before. In his every time she got the job and so on does the way she was. We always believed in ourselves. We can accomplish what every prayers for our minds do. So did you is rough? She was roughly see you now

she had a little extension cord and she put tape around for a handle Chicago my medicine. keep it up in my closet, they did not mess around here. How do you feel about that, I have fourteen year old twins and I couldn't imagine disciplining them physically so think it's it's always a weird. I know your mama's young at the time, so we cut her some slack, but Would you like a weird message? Tear gas life disciplines you in otherwise, but rarely hopefully, not fish. Yeah. Why part? That's part, I think that's the that's. The busy at least is is doing, slavery. The pants beat their kids so that they kept them from getting beaten. By slaveowners, because it would be worse to save on his freedom so part of the myth of the lorries when, when the back I was spending, is actually only do this because I love you and he s dead since mixing signal

but that's how she was raise again. She was young she's in areas such as the timber, I took the brought my sisters were safe, but So when I was so, I thought I had my first kid I was like. I was looking forward to the day. I got to discipline the first time in over me he's too from a question. You lied to me time. I was young, I thought two euros. should know already not to lie down penstemon his arm. You know any started like free crying and something in me said this does not feel right in its It had this, they do wake this wake up. Call in this moment where I realize you know. If this is it and so from up when I never did physically discipline handing over discipline, my kids and he got away from that when I never physically discipline, in view of the rich white guy version of discipline, my daughter

when my daughter was like. I don't know five. She sped at her nanny, and my nanny smack there and I said good then I went into the next room. Why fifty vague and I'm not a big fan of physically disciplining? but if you spit on a fight, he guatemalan woman, you get what you get also, you now say what you will about physical the plan. That was the last time she ever since her nanny, so it can be effective at times so you you're! In New Orleans, you, you got the big contract year, the fifth we're all player taken in ninety nine,

You think you should have one higher winning the Heisman. I mean I mean that that draft there was one as it sounds. Rebels was worse things in my life and I don't mean to sound ungrateful. You know why my ideal, the draft day was unanimously with my friends, Martin jobs, but you're, not my region convince me that needed to be in New York And- was dead, set on being the first being the clean embrowns were back those expansion team there. The first thing and I know that I rise in bar communings and Papa attempt, and so I wanted to be avoided about them, but I heard rumours that there already to deal Jim Couch in so, but I can my fingers browsing sit there and at the time was particularly in got up on the podium, and he said the first Big Cleveland Brown state can generosity. But, as I gave you that never to number two is not bad couple minutes later I'll. Take a look into the back up. The second pick:

the ninety nine of our drive to Philadelphia egos, take downloading it now and then there are the Eagles fancier need. I've been doing. That made me feel we'd better, but still I was like man. The big we're picking three and I knew a great deal, and so I knew there are taking core back and they drafted Achilles Smith. Then came the cops I knew I was there, just trade, more support to the rams, and they needed a running back, and I was, I thought, the top running back in the draft With its arms, in varying thinking, okay, Indy locally the forms in part. comes up and for taking such ass, the others called stake, adjourned games. In later. There was one of those moments when I was little getting ready to get up, and I was like an idiot watch the replay. You can see my lips they mouth down so it happened then, after that I was kind of age, arrogant, warehouses and culture stay out of. Nowhere was after that and the next thing global boom. You know,

the northern there's, a trade in New Orleans, saints Trade, eight pigs in the first round paid for next year's drab to their Washington Redskins for the fifth pig and integrity. In writing. I was doing so much shocked that Iceland all the way to find that it is hard for me to enjoy to ensuring that moment. While and James said it. I guess a pretty decent career with the calls made love it closing the whole fame, yet Lasher urine wow. I guess everything from last year's is to blur. I'm surprised, I'm not surprised, but I I wouldn't. I didn't think I was a hollow famer, but Maybe why me I'm telling you and who knows, but I can imagine playing you know he led the NFL and rushing is first two years imagined playing. If I played with paid manning. You know a private have more more yards where one hundred agreed back

great out with anything away from him, but my corner back, my freshman may my Ricky year were two guys named Billy Joe. It is fairly Joe tall Bird, the Billy Joe, She had the only other Billy joy have as do pre, but there was a damsel caliber. However, he waited for tat, taken played for the charges were later. Did so here's an interesting thing. I guess it's interesting Adrian James did not win the Heisman trophy. You did so is there something they saw in him that they, like over you or does the Heisman trophy come with a price tag and they thought they would save some Ah, I think I don't think it was. I don't make it was based on our money. I think it was based on you knows. So when I left

college. I was the one eyed for those kind of it. The darling still, but in the town from what I left college till till I got to the end of the tunnel, have you ever higher masterpiece agency. As my agent, I think I just created too much doubt and people for them to feel secure. Drafty me in my hands are small and I think that what the scout said is that in their often states are enduring would be more suited to cast was out of the way filled. I was, moreover, I am running back up. Paden was in the shock and most of the year. I was kind of time to think about that. So Master P was your agent. Well, he on the sport decency, but yeah here

he and I were in conversation all the time during the negotiation like Andrew, and why do you feel like that may have heartier prospects alone? That out, you know, I think I think, in a fell teams are used to players being more and more humble in my attitude was you know, I'm busting my ass in college, to do all this wonderful things, and now I've made it to the next level. I should be able to be myself, and I think you know it can do what you were saying earlier. I think they noticed that there might be a you think you're hiding in there somewhere, and some of you might just up and retire in the middle, We are training, get word marijuana use start Dead sea banner. How was your rank? that a member part of that as part of their early store, that you're talkin about marijuana for Cavalry has obviously been a NFL running back. There's a lot of recovering

do and I've talked other players. That said, you know it work for them for their work ivory and didn't understand. Why was on the ban substance less when all these pain pills weren't? So can we speak that allow bed and then what is your relationship with marijuana today? so the story? A story begins way back me. Wasn't it agreed in San Diego in Bangkok, neck, the smallest kid in the eleven great asked me to come to this house for lunch. When did ass, he pulled out this big bombed, took ahead, cough my lungs out and had the most difficult physics class after lunch. That was a nightmare, and so my experience was not for me. So copies I get the college in this is some of the things that the guy's smoke is on, the night and suited to fit in with the guys smoke a little, but I never really noticed anything wasn't my senior year in college. I went through really bad break up of my girlfriend.

and they have to we broke up. I would bring your stuff back to her from my house, and the quarterbacks car was part in front of your house and so This kind of pissed off in they started dating and ass miserable, and so my roommate was a. U need to chill until we are brought up long and smoked the first night that I sent through the night. I was in assessing about my axe and so I took a mental note that ok now understand why people like this passport in it, two years on and the FAO plan. The same, didn't beat up a miserable my friends it. You should try smoking again, and I started smoking again. I any became part of my Nathan routine. I found that after work. When I get smoke hung out with my friends. you'll get up in the morning? Do it again, and and I thought I would be fine and be able to do that, and I am get traded in Miami in the interval they used to jog test has just once a year and on

and then, if you pass that one test you you're good for the whole year. So when I was in New Orleans, we tested in training camp and they would I get traded to Miami we get tested in the preceding and off season. inside and get that member and feeling the test and then once you fail it ass, they put you into the joint programme and the joint programme is, You tested nine times a month and fell again, then you get find and then you get suspended, So, once again, to the joint programme is hard for me to follow. Those rules ended. failing another time, and then I decided it's not worth it. I need a good use of the rest of my life and that's when I retired into debt For another side of cannabis, of one s own smoking is ice. do they give us permission to think bigger thoughts having this guy? the german people, small gimme start having You know philosophizing in our outfit that stereotyped to attain.

I'm thinking about my life as being in a bigger than just being a football players have then fell change its rules around camp, Ass, Sonia tasted, it they're not going to suspend any players. I don't know how much there testing, but then I can suspend any players anymore for cannabis. Average found it interesting. That factor would tell me that if you do cocaine it's in and out of your system and a day, but if he smoked pot you'll test positive for wild harder. Ironically, the the easier drug is harder to pass the test them with our you are you still smoking part I am. I am. Are you hi right now? I am not. I was waiting. We need to have the kind of my eyes to be to read the words out of the bag, so what is what's the ritual with part. Now, like what kind of parties smoke what's what's stuff, that's good during the day. What's the stuff, that's good during the night? Yes,

For me. Usually my genes are get up in the morning arm in arm or go outside and words right. There have approval right now. the company congeal they do prevails in there. Just business soured many guys. So suddenly I couldn't countenance start the morning when the city will usually on the board. Now read the Bible warrior some strategy both do that for an hour I'll come in. Do my yoga meditation pinning on what my schedule like I might smoke again or fast boards of the night in India, clouds lying down and also on the porch meeting at reading a book, and is it that well, I guess probably I feel like the world has caught up to you. Certainly California has remained. There is no more than a real. I guess there's no more real stigma about it. It's available people, people

partake, do you feel? Does it feel and I'm not judging cause? You know I have a drink every night I have my foibles and addictions and weaknesses whatever does it does it feel like you're addicted to it? Does it feel like it's no different than someone drinking their morning, coffee or no, friend than having a martini at the end of the night or how does it? How does it feel to you I think, to be honest, it goes through. It goes through the whole rage. Sometimes I feel like I dont want, smoke? Sometimes I feel like I need it more than other times. Sometimes I'm indifferent. Sometimes feel like you, like him, doing this in inner to me, When I talk my eighteen year old about it The of this is something you're. Gonna do really is a relationship like any relationship with the substance of what the person to stay aware, no be aware, when you're doing too much it's gonna be awaits. Information about yourself.

so yeah there's sometimes I feel like I'm smoking do much I'll. Take a break sometimes feel stuff like stuck. Obsessing about something that can be achieved to smoke. It might rise above this and get a different perspective. There. Can you feel the difference with the different strains? I was just talking to Doktor drew back to see other day like I have I'm sure predate the different strains like Ones for going to bed and this one for concentrating and this one's for reading the Bible on the porch. can you really feel the difference, our deepest real high You know, so it depends on the person. So it's like some. Sometimes I can sometimes I just feel I just feel high, but like, for instance. If their reading, especially in the middle of the day, and I smokin indigo right I just want to go, lay down and take a nap. and saw be frustrated because I didn't want to go, take a nap, others things I had to do it

I've learned your respect in its really personal people find what works for them, but in general it I found it to be true. It in August, the diva your minds, Eurostar racing in if you smoke and are you going to feel more in nearby interesting now, Do I go out on Ricky. This is a fascinating conversation with a free thinker. So you guys, I want to ask you about dead before we punch out here about their Earl Campbell, but their curious questions with Ricky Williams available everywhere tomorrow, podcast. How was Earl Houses health I know, is I know it's not, I don't think good health, but Earl Campbell, one of them, one of the best that ever to ever do it. When he's a taxi sky, never sure rang, it was and just I don't know I was talking to my son and he loves football. He was tell me

most punishing running backs or somethin in Jim Brown was there at the top of the list, but I watch. Em highlights Earl Campbell run in the boy. My guide, that guy was a bruise our man. Is our nerves, one of my favorite people in the world. In alone, you know, when you see em is most likely to be in a wheelchair, always experience always up, and so I know him he's playing off. in moving around, but the east that's ear, Did they hired me such a person? He still can continue to contribute to the university here. some of the current players over at his answer to his house. Ricky cedars rose up for that right at the very end our wealth Ricky's frozen. I will let better data Ricky in good. That Earl Campbell says: spirits are high

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