In a world of fake news, this is news you could trust, checking facts on taking names, you're listening to the Babylon, with your hosts Kyle Man and Ethan Nicole. Yes, this is the Babylon Bee Podcast, and this is Kermit. The frog with my friend squeaky voiced, squeaking nutcracker, silly squeaking, the cracker sitting. It wow we're off to a good start here. Yes, we are we're energized yeah 'cause. We just talked to Kevin MAX from Dc Talk and you're gonna get to hear that a little later on s is such a good conversation. He was my favorite DC talk guy yeah, I told who yeah hope you wack yeah, Michael wait. Wait did like because I liked, like the I like how he sang all like it was like r and B Kurt Cobain. He was like Grunge, but like r and b he's actually got a did like him, because I like to I like the I like how he's saying all like, like r and B Kurt Cobain, he was like Grunge, but like r and b he's actually got a

yeah really good voice about that amazing voices. Pipes of his Anna DC talk, I mean it's a big part of a lot of our pasts yeah. It was a big part of our christian upbringing for a lot of us yeah. I think I think you guys are going to enjoy this. In the mean time, we've also got a few stories are going to talk to you about an one of the has to do with DC talk. So lot of DC talk a lot of christian 90s. The talk episode, it's kind of a DC talk upset so yeah you can. You just went on a big road trip. Did you guys bump Jesus Freak and new say in super now? You know the entire time. That's the sad thing about the because I I went on like over two thousand mile road trip with my family of four kids and the sad thing about this day in age technology is that we can't force the whole family to listen to the same thing anymore. Like I listen my on the stereo bones on their list, all their different things are watching movies or watching Youtube on the road. It's like. Can we get a break from Youtube and this horrible world we live in now,

so we've got one of those dvd players. In our van like this, the file screen. That's in the middle, everyone looks at it and it's a little disappointing 'cause. I want to share like some of my favorite music, with my kids and they're just watch inches. I am you know. Oh, I bought one of those dvd players where you put to two screens in the back of the two seat and it was so complicated hook up. I couldn't get it to both play the same movie and they and the seats didn't fit the thing they gave me. So the screen turn up on the floor, a whole bunch and someone stepped on one of them broke it, and so it was just a. It was a sham. Those things are a sham, don't buy him and we used to have those. It's like the aftermarket dvd player thing. The highly, which I think we may have talked about in the DC talk interview, was that we stopped at a little farm and stay at. We did like a whole bunch of AIR Bb's in this trip. One of them they have like they had like two donkeys, a pig, a bunch of chickens and pig, but my daughter- and that was very traumatizing- didn't break the skin, but it was horrifying as she started to eggs.

Any sign, she's, afraid of pigs now, like she thinks their main fuselage who's. Your favorite animal. Her first like now like how to make what she go to pig noises funny and- and it was pretty traumatizing for, like her whole life pictures so great, and then she got bit by one right in the arm and I'm thinking maybe she's, starting to exhibit some pig. I think she's, starting at the as radioactive pig. You could be going to go over with my pig noise here: Spider PIG, spider, pig, she's, able to chase chickens and eat garbage. Yes, kids, the I had another thing about that trip that I did you go yeah. We stayed one airbnb. I want to see you guys think about this. We this thing it said, ah said one bathroom three bedrooms for six people. When we got there, we have four kids once a twelve year old girl thing. It said it said one bathroom three bedrooms for six people. When we got there, we have four kids one to twelve year old girl

door, but there was a code on it and you could not unlock it. So we had one bathroom for the whole family. So I'm like texting the guy, I'm like door, but there was a code on it and you could not unlock it. So we had one bathroom for the whole family. So I'm like texting the guy, I'm like there's another bathroom here. We can't have it. Can you open it? Sorry, it's dirty. We got in what do you? What I did I just like I hadn't clearly known and he's like hey, we told you. There was one bathroom like yeah, but I've now been on, like nine of these with my twelve year old daughter and mother kids, and you need two bathrooms when you have a family of six people. What do you think? Are you? Ok, I was frustrated. Well, maybe they had bodies or meth lab in there yeah. I wanna know I'm your blessing, then it was walked. He's like we were clear, but now that I know that it's there I'm mad. So did you guys take the coast, or did you just go up the five we didn't go exactly in the we went to the to the coast with her final destination

yeah, so we did like Ashland the mountain outside actually needed grants pass. We did stop in reading yeah. I just kind of a lot of random stops. Little cabins in the woods did you worship at Bethel Church reading did not know get some gold dust. Any that's. A trip in a nutshell, is cool. We get to see my long lost sister, everybody, my dad so big family gathering very cool right, so we get into our weekly news. Or do you want to talk about? We can all do you need cool, no okay, weekly news every week there are stories. These are some of them all right. We were trying to make jokes in the midst of a very we're trying to make jokes in the midst of very verifying realities. Weed is the week I mean out. This is going week from is, but the vinyl pressing is a funny word. A

for podcast is going to come out in about a week from now, but the vinyl pressing is going to happen in about a week, God it's so that this is ah week where the air is too horrible shootings in one day, and there was another shooting just a few days before that um. So the first there was one in Gilroy and then there was two. There is one in El Paso and one in Dayton and just horrifying everybody remember. I sat satellite computer just kind of in shock like that whole night. Just I don't know, hit me harder than most and I and I don't know why, had I made the mistake of sitting there on twitter and just getting more and more frustrated with the garbage moose Andrew who should know better, and these things happen like I can't I can't about it. I don't know what it is like I'll, try to write a tweet and stop and just seems so like it seems like there's a lot people. That's it's very natural than just suddenly started tweeting about things about government stuff for anyway, so

and eventually the next morning. I this headline study shows leading cause of gun. Violence is those you disagree with politically and and that just kind of encapsulated twitter? Does everybody like you never hear on site? I like not hearing the gunman's name or seeing this picture, but to conserve, to just act as if he he's just a puppet of the right wing or whoever it is that you hate he really gets, exhausting so exhausting yeah, and it's so inconsistent. You know when the guy, when the government is on the opposite political side from you, you know you meet really connected to their ideology and you say: well, it was Trump for citing you know with his inciting rhetoric, or you know it was the left with their rhetoric. Yeah shooting, since the late nineties, like I, was in high act like we have been having shooting since the late 90s like I was in high school, when the one in spring

will happen, which every kind of considers, even though there had been once before, that that was like the Kip Kinkel, it was kind of the one that people feel started. All this columbine is next, but for a long time, just the short sightedness to act like this just happened because of Trump. It's a bizarre. It was are really believe that that's really why yeah very rarely is the response that people have to a shooting like this introspection of like what am I doing that? What am I doing personally to love my neighbor that may yeah save us from something like that was the one tweet that I did eventually tweet out and it was interesting. Is it's the it's the Bible, verse that you we're constantly and it seems like the basic rule of life? No, does Sunday look, I think, love your neighbor and when I was king at Twitter and I was looking at what was going on and how much hate and how this event had caused so much hate among people like

it's on the manifesto that I keep seeing word allegedly, so I don't know if they linked it to or not, but it was a white nationalist trump supporter. The other guy was like a pro aunt if left winger right, both in the same day. So in the manifesto that I keep seeing were allegedly signing of a link to to or not, but that was what you know is white nationalist Trump supporter. The other guy was like a pro and to for a left winger right, both in the same day, so he could like pick their shooter they wanted to. Like you know, I I had pitched telling could plaster their faces, baseball, bat and just beat your political opponent to the death with them. With that, with that, whichever shooter you identify, we didn't run that headline yeah. We did not know so much horror has already been created and now we're just being weird. So much horror is already been created and now we're just beating each other up. I thought there was there's been a couple of instances of this, but I think specifically after the Ohio shooting there were, the Ohio governor was giving an address and these protesters come in and they just start counting. Do something do something you know, and I thought it was an interesting portrait of our cultural moment that you have people that,

rather than looking at themselves and and saying what is the evil in myself or in my movement that needs to be addressed. It was people looking to the government and saying what are you going to do about this now? What what? What can I do about this and it's it's frightening? In a way I mean yeah, that's human nature. You know you look at others, you look to your rulers, you say: what can these people do yeah and to act like you're? Hands are clean like to just for this whole culture act like their hands are clean. It's just few lawmakers in Washington have chosen not to enact they act like it's so easy to. Oh, if there was just a few laws, you just passed and we just have all the guns taken away. It's like to me. I always there's people that think. Oh just get rid of all the illegal immigrants and all everything will be great on the other side, yeah. On the other side, it's like a number one. That's nearly impossible like how you going to really do that you have to have over our the magnet that things are you I am yeah. I have a big giant magnet either confined illegal immigrants are guns yeah, but I have to I mean you have to like a Hitler like authoritarian rule,

to pull something that off it's just and there's always the one guy, hey, here's a nice get rid of all guns, always the twitter, the twitter guy. That says a good job. So that's the thing they always. They always ensure their tweets. By saying this is simple yeah. This is simple I'll conclude this week and said this: is this isn't hard yeah? This isn't it's like? Well, maybe it is how about this guns of eggs for a long long time, even the air fifth he's been around the fifties. All this started. I think that's the question that gets overlooked like ignored like what is it about our culture that is shifted so that suicides it rising, and these killings that air, like. Their narcissism killing these people are all about themselves. There's the narcissism, that's growing and in our culture and ah coincides with the internet, and I'm not saying I have the answers, but those are the questions I when people talk well, that's what I want to get into and I want to understand and those are, the conversations

seemed to be avoided. The most anyway yeah hilarious, podcast. So funny- and I you know- I don't- I don't- want to necessarily come down on these people who are chanting. Something like do something like. I think it really speaks. It is angst, though, that there's this there's this ache and this recognition that the culture sick you know, but but the solutions, and what do we do and who do we turn to? Those? Are the questions yeah yeah I get it. I get there. There's a visit. Everybody kind of just goes to the visceral response in these situations, and you know for some people it's just like. If you're not into guns, you don't you you don't understand, gun culture number around around it. You like why the heck we even have these things get rid of the mall. You know like I totally get that got a reaction and yeah it's just like. There's no come you see when I get it. We we started giant topic for this to show up when there's so so much to say we'll talk more about it in the subscriber portion or something there's

so much to say I don't remember the first shooting my first shooting was, I think, as a kid right in my for shooting. First shooting, I really remember, was Columbine and I don't number I mean there wasn't. Obviously this widespread social media. I don't remember that discussion like I don't remember. It immediately turned into gun control. You know, but it interesting to me that whenever there's a tragedy, it's just instant- I mean I was like in my early twenties and all when mine goes around one thousand. Eight hundred and nineteen is just out of high school, but the one in Thurston was the first. You know just a few kids technically that got killed a lot of kids got and I lived just two hours so from that, so it was really close to home. We are Columbine yeah I was interesting, is all about. That's one thing that people are saying you know: there's people blaming video games again. That's one of the big blame back then. Was video games and trench coats yeah, that's right! Yeah they started banning those school.

They blame the trench coats that so at the everything we blame the the tool. Oh, it's the gun's fault that the trench coats fault. Well, I think there's this help. That's right. Can you see this horrible evil? You say what are we going? Do you know in in a you see the government taking action even if it's meaningless, banding bump stocks after Vegas, yeah or whatever, and it's like a bomb stocks? Really not gonna yeah make this worse or better. It's just something that we can put do we need a scapegoat, something to say just yeah, just ban that and it'll all go away. You know. So if we just ban satire just Ben yeah, this is an interesting one could be like, like Ethan was saying doing humor at a time in the middle of a yeah trying to yeah. This is an interesting one. Could be like, like Ethan, was saying doing humor at a time in the middle of a yeah trying to stuff in tough, but you also really want to say stuff, there's stuff you on those points you want to make like one of the ones that you do couple days here. It was about just the idea of arc uh

sure we embrace moral relativism and then the moment something happens, everybody's tweeting in this moral absolutism. This is evil. This is this is absolutely on speaker level. Like can't imagine anybody being like well relatively in another culture, you can imagine being the office anymore, all that's going to walk into school and shoot everybody that a language just goes out the door, and it is, is a question like if you just teaching people that just words good and evil urges point of view, but then suddenly some like this happens just words good any Lord just point of view, but then suddenly some like this happens like is there complicity in the idea of moral relativism in leading people believe not only that were like meaningless creatures that were just bacteria on the earth. You know and then also the idea that you know we're just evolved creatures of survival of the fittest. All that kind of stuff and. And then also, the idea of you know we're just evolved creatures of survival of the fittest, all that kind of stuff and.

There is no true morality, there's no true good and evil and that's like general stuff, we're all kind of taught by our culture and then when something like this happen, it's from star wars. I got it because you did a joke about it this week and I was like oh yeah. I think I remember that yeah only a Scif deals in absolutes right, one of the great lines from the prequel with great lines. Just just it's from star wars yeah. I I got it because you did a joke about it this week and I was like oh yeah. I think I remember that yeah only a Sith deals in absolutes right, one of the great lines for prequel the great lines which is just inst absolutes, are absolute statements, which is interesting. Okay. So, let's move on next story. Experts have warned that we only have twelve years left until they changed the timeline on global warming again so get ready because steps Luther Absolute statement, which is interesting. Okay. So, let's move on next story. Experts have warned that we only have twelve years left until they change the time line on global warming again so get ready, because in

twelve years the world the world will be the world will be flooded with new dates, new new data, new dates, yeah. What do you remember your first time you were told, given a timeline as a kid for when the world would you know, I don't know, I think we really worried about global warming and climate change until Al Gore, the the I'm when I was like, probably ten, I remember being so that by the time I was an adult there be no, the world would be unlivable. I was told that in early like in the late eighties, I can let the world would be unlivable. I was told that in early like in the late 80s. Well I do remember that, but I wasn't specifically climate change. It was all the rainforests are going to be used. Yeah will be no more drinking water, it was, I was only environmental alarmism. Can you remember the movie ferngully yes, yeah, like that? Really, like Incapsula shaped a generation encapsulated the whole. I mean that's what we were taught in public school growing up all the time

we just this alarmism of and to hate, big business, big log truck yeah. I always love that, like there's the good spirits to the forest and then like this evil guy, that's like I'm going to cut down trees just for fun. We are on our rd, but we drove through a tons of trees. You know up to Oregon and Northern California, and there was one mountain side that had been cleared out by log trucks are clearing out, and my daughter of course focuses in on that one. Oh, my gosh. It's so terrible that daring. He sees all the trees that we passed and they grow. They grow more grow back. I yeah. I talked to a guy up in Washington who deals this economic ecological issues, environmental issues from a free market perspective listing which is interesting. Is you don't really hear a lot of conservatives saying I care about the environment, but one of the points that he it was the people that passing laws for about the environment live in big cities and

you go around New York. It's a completely different. Like you get, you almost get why people are but insane on this topic. When they start talking about you go around New York, it's a completely different. Like you get, you almost get why people are but insane on this topic when they start talking about well yeah in New York. All that's true. I was up. It was up with a political conference there in this um. This girl was that well yeah in New York. All that's true! I was up. It was up at a political conference there. In this, this girl was was a she owned. She was like the third or fourth generation that owned a tree farm in Washington out in the middle of nowhere. You know, and- and she was kind of like look- we don't follow up. We don't really need a followed by a loss because we take care of our trees. Anyway, is it because if we don't, if we just destroy all the trees, that we own yeah, there's no trees? For my kids, you know- and my grandkids that's true so like what do loggers

to gain by wearing all the trees are just being this evil guy smashion trees. Just yet because I hate those trees, yeah, I'm always in there so and there's some excesses that some corporations yeah go to in pursuit of profits. Yeah. You know. I just think that I think sometimes it's so long. The climate change things interesting. You know it's definitely on the left to become the religious you know. Eschatology have obviously can overreact in a lot of times, especially on the right. You know we'll say it obviously can overreact and a lot of times, especially on the right. You know will say it. Every mention of any climate change is a hoax. You know yeah anybody in any manner. I did Christian or not, there's a there's, a knee, jerk and and to some extent they get it's like okay. So if we created a or if we had some to give evidence that it just so happen that you had to give all your money to Republicans and what makes people suspicious is that it's never it's never just this cold scientific fact. It guys there's a problem. We need to talk about solutions, it's

so it makes people suspicious yeah. Is that it's never it's! Never just this cold scientific fact. It guys there's a problem. We need to talk about solutions, you know and don't you hate the world, you wanna, kill everybody yeah give give control of the you. Don't you don't you hate the world need to kill. Everybody yeah give give control of the me over to the government. It's always just hand in hand, and it really makes people suspicious and they're only doing themselves a disservice. Yeah- and I am, I completely there's a large amount of truth to the evidence for all this, but I also believe that, just like growing up, we had all these giant warnings about what life, what what the world is gonna, be like by the time. I was that age I am now, and so you know there what were some predictions that maybe were kind of right, but in general technology changes things change. Well I mean it, I think about it from a marketing perspective, saying the war. This is going to end in twelve years. If you don't vote for me, there's a lot

effective than saying there's going to be some major changes coming to the climate in the next one hundred to two hundred years, yeah yeah, which is probably accurate. You don't water's gonna rise yeah I mean, and that seems to be the the that seems to be the most feasible. The water is going to be rising over time we have to adjust to that is no, but but anyway, I'm no expert. I'm trying to pretend to be one- and you know by a hummer this this portion brought to you by General motors, it's Thea. It's a topic brought to you by people that are always saying you should be more skeptical when it comes to things like your favorite, then, but then, when it comes to this, that no skepticism is allowed that such a religious thing, it's so awhile museum of the body, our our I see you should be more skeptical when it comes to things like your favorite than with, but then when it comes to this, that no skepticism is allowed at such a religious thing it so so, while museum of the by tool to display original golden tablets containing Jesus Freak lyrics, this is an old article from twenty six

or so there's a lot going on here. You know is this because there actually was or is now a museum of the Bible, and it wasn't quite open. Yet when this have golden tablet, there is a moral museum. Well, so then there's almost this mormon element of the golden tablets. You know that the Book of Mormon was so so they handed down on and then you've got Jesus there. So much going on this is an layers, a real mishmash Jesus freak. I mean that was definitely the power anthem for the christian kids growing up the christian nineties, kid yeah. So we're going to give our salvation story when regarding Jesus, Freak and DC, talk here and then we're going to Kevin MAX, so it's gonna be a good little segway segway. I have an uncle an aunt and my uncle is the pastor is a Calvary, chapel pastor and always gave me my birthday every year. You know I would say I want video games or I want you know whatever it was. Legos

always gave me at my birthday every year. You know I would say I want video games or I want and whatever it was legos, and it would always give me something like, like the christian version that the christian version, but they would give me like a christian t, shirt, okay or whatever, and so one year they gave me new thing. The DC talk album new thing on cassette tape and I think the following year they may have given me Jesus freak in on cassette or cd or something- and that was my introduction- remember new thing. We listen to it over and over. We memorized all the raps I can. I can still do it was a pretty good album, but it was still I'm it's still kind of reeks of early nineties Riggs spread the wrong word. It definitely was a product of what is right in that yes, progress time, Jesus Freak was to me is like a timeless album yeah, I listen to it the other day. You know it's just like deep in. I was never really that into uh. Sorry, you're still going to be MAC and the MAC is back no slack on the DC track. That's jacked is that older new, beyond comprehension. I believe that I failed to mention that yeah. That was so new thing was like this.

It was a pretty good album, but it was still I'm. It's still kind of reeks of early 90s read spread the wrong word. It definitely was product because right in that yeah, it's probably time Jesus Freak was to me is like a timeless album. I listen to it the other day. You know it's just like. So good, I think it's such a good, album, they're, so good yeah, I know there's so many layers. You know there is some I mean yeah. I I'm not trying to completely knock and I think I I was so deep into that. Are you a skeptic you're Jesus, big skeptic, I love, but when it came out I mean I was like well. I remember I was kind of in this weird spot 'cause. I had become a Christian only kind of recently and I was like a little bit embarrassed to be getting into the under the christian music stuff 'cause. I had grown up secular music. I and I actually member not wanting to like Jesus Freak and then I actually did kind of like it. I was like I really liked and I like Kevin MAX's voice, a lot like me. That was mainly it for me and I didn't. I didn't, have a deep DC talk upbringing

that was mainly it for me I mean I didn't. I didn't have a deep DC talk upbringing. I remember, and I was like around nine. My friend was listening to it and he's like oh yeah, it's christian rap, so cool and uh. He was explained. The DC stands for deliveries of Christ, I think, is decent christian talk is it he said it was delivers of Christ. I don't think hours of correct way. I've carried that my whole life delivers of Christ. Talk hold on gotta, find out real quick. This is like fourth grade nineteen I like how we carry these rumors with eighty nine or something really, though, originally D C was from Washington D C. It was from D C, where Toby MAC was rapping huh, they originally called DC talk and the one way crew. The name was later simplified to DC talk, but with DC stand for and then it says which came to stand for decent Christian. Really, though, originally DC was from Washington DC. Oh was from DC where Toby MAC was wrapping,

so apparently it comes from well. You know this is Wikipedia. So, who knows so rigidly are Wika Pedia bases, Wika Pedia, it's true yeah, twenty pages, not accurate, so doing so originally was completely secular band name, and then it got Cristiana fide later tangent, but our Wikipedia page quote some random guy, like that got quartered article says, even if about these stories intention is to entertain. The effect could still be misinformation if the headline is believable enough. This random thing, like Tom misinformation, fake news and set up that in there it's it's a completely random in the Wikipedia article. I don't know this guy is who is this guy? Yes, the DC talk Jesus Freak, the album like, I think it touched on a lot of cultural issues like if you listen to lyrics to something like colored people. You know to like in itself. You like, look at a name like that. How do you get that on a christian play? You know, but it's it's Jesus to me that they were. They were willing to speak to these cultural issues that christian music tended to play it safe on. I saw Jesus.

I saw freak talk, live at the Pomona Fairgrounds, something yeah that it was the Jesus Freak Tour or may have been just something after that. It was like a time when everybody freak like they had like corn was around Greek, was a freak on a leash free. Everybody is some kind of freak like that was the thing was to be under see yourself as an outcast, a freak, and I don't know if they don't know that just was like because they are in that time they just kind of naturally they created- or if you know I don't know they were capitalizing on it, but it was just the that was the spirit of the times. I'm a freak. It felt like post grunge going into this like rap core era yeah, and I think there was this kind of non conformist thing among the youth that there always is yeah I mean in the nineties. It was kinda, I think for me. It really. You know I I kind of it adopted that Jesus Freak label and I really felt like it felt like it- was something like we're growing up and now I'm no longer just doing my parents lame religion right now, I'm a Jesus freak, you know, and it was in some

is it too kind of was true like it felt like Christianity was you were playing the society being a Christian when we were really young, it felt like yeah, it was a majority thing and and- and that was it at least in my experience, that was when culture kinda, sir, to shift, you really were being kind of punk rock. If you still held your beliefs- and I really feel I feel like it's- it's more punk rock now to like concertedly in christian christian anything. I say that what the president is a conservative, so he in name old lemons he's a Republican. I say that the president is, is a conservative, so he's in name on lemons is a Republican. He flips a coin. These Waterbury is the eclipse a coin. Half of his face is boiled acid. I pitched that I'm going to be I'm waiting on the Photoshop man alright. Well, so what should we just get? So that's a good segue. So that way so yeah, if you don't know DC tacos, they were huge christian rap rock Grunge alternative, but I would say they defined

style that entire genre of christian music, I agree, and that was in the 90s Kevin Mack says. Then you know the group split up after supernatural, which was is an album in the early two and Kevin MAX. Was one slash three of DC talk and he's done his own independent, crazy, music thing. Since then, he's just put out a ton of ranks outbreaks out albums like quicker than the Beatles you know, and they were pumping up four albums a year or whatever and yeah. It's really interesting guys so about to have a cool conversation with them, and here it is we're sitting down with a legend in the christian music industry. His name is Kevin MAX sitting down with a legend in the christian music industry. His name is Kevin MAX from the band you might have heard of them DC talk. How you doing Kevin first of all, legend is questionable, but um, I'm doing really kid and uh yeah, I'm just down the road in my rv with my kids.

Do I listen to rap music and and even like back in the day um you know before I even became a part of DC talk. We are hard hitting journalist here at the Babylon Bee and we're not going to we're not going to take this easy on you. So right. Do you still love rap music like very rarely? Do I listen to rap music and and even like back in the day minute before I before I even became a part of DC talk, was you know I was in a Nuwave, you know in 80s I was in the joy vision and end the cure and David Bowie. So when I joined in DC talk, I had no clue what was going on and so yeah. I never really dug deep that I never really dug the rap until I got to know you know the DC talk scenario and then I was like okay well. This is interesting

dog against, like really hardcore gangster rap. I don't even know if it's hard core gangsta rap is like little lane hardcore gangster and I guess he is right, I'm not along with that song. I thank the court. I didn't write the song, so there's there's that at least but yeah. You know, there's certain types of rap music. Actually, even today you know I'm kind of a fan of Us Dog, the games in a row. You like really hard core gangsta rap. Even if it's hardcore gangster rap is like Lil Wayne hardcore gangster rap. I guess he is right. I'm not pressure you to wrap Maurin d c talking like Kevin, come on man rat more, where right, we're wrapping yeah pressure, you to rap more in DC. Talk like Kevin, come on man rap more where wrapping they knew better than that they. Never they never asked me to do that. Essentially, the only guessing is the only rapper. You knew his t bone, do you know t bone and I didn't know him either. I I think I met him a couple of times its festivals like when we were starting but um honestly, like I didn't even know like anybody famous like run DMC or anybody like that, so uh Toby is like the first one ever met, and I was like okay, this rap thing. I guess it

guessing it. The only rapper you knew was t boned. You know TI, but I didn't know him either like. I think I met him a couple of times it's festivals like when we were starting but honestly, like I didn't even know like anybody famous like run d MC or anybody like that, so it was like the first one ever met and I was like ok, this rap thing. I guess it. I guess it's successful and people like it yeah 'cause Amarais, like nine. I first heard DC talk and you guys you guys definitely did that. It was kind of like that fresh prince style of rapping was like the early 90s at Beastie boys. I guess you hey, ladies going right yeah. I beastie boy, it was actually yeah. We formed an eight eighty, seven, eighty eight so yeah Beastie boys run DMC. I think for Toby to you is like he was like I've taken from LL cool, J's kind of nods. To you know it's like a lot of different things going on. Like I said I was, I was into rock and roll, so it was really strange for me to show up in this.

I just kind of went along with it. Man, it was fun, so we get to dress in matching outfits and we're patent. Leather shoes didn't learn, dance moves and stuff. So I just kind of went along with it. Man it was fun, so we get to dress in matching outfits and we're patent. Leather shoes didn't learn, dance, moves and stuff. So what did people think when they heard that you were a Jesus Freak and who writes these questions, we're just trying to source your actual lyrics and and yeah yeah? What did they think? They think? Okay, mom man of that and you know when we signed with virgin, I mean they were. They were big into the song. You know, and they thought hey- this is gonna, be cool cause. This could this could actually work in the general market as well, and that's what we had this guy named Simon MAX will do the video you know when we signed with virgin, I mean they were. They were big into the song, you know and they thought that hey. This is going to be cool 'cause. This could this could actually work in the general market as well, and that's why we had this guy named Simon MAX will do the video

and he had a gun videos for nine inch, nails and a lot of other general market axon, and so I think we were. You know that everybody was caught up in this Grunge movement, whereas we were kind of a ban. It kind of play do a lot of diff styles on one album, so that was just one song and then there were several other elements on the album that didn't necessarily go as heavy into the ground categories that it. But you know when we first started playing that song I mean it was. It was uh immediate, like polar rising reaction. I think either people read really dug it or they had no clue what was going on. I was that was more new thing, the new things it was new things at one point at what point in the writing of Jesus Freak did somebody suggests the lyric huh huh, I don't know categorized as a lyric, it's more like a background uh. That was that was me improvising on in the moment that was kind of like my wolf howl back then you know I used to know howl during the shows too. I don't know categorized as a lyric, it's more like a background uh. That was that was me improvising on in the moment that was kind of like my wolf howl back then you know I used to know howl during the shows too.

I don't know if that is categorized as a lyric, it's more like a background for it, but that was me improvising in the moment that was kind of like my wolf howl back then you know I used to kind of howl during the shows too. So I had a limited amount of time that I can how on that track, but it became clear you know yeah or like well, I'm more less howling than just gonna barking, really yeah yeah. That is great. I'm glad that we just got you to do the how how how on on the air is very small. That was our one goal here. I could do it for real, but it might you know it might distort in the phone, I'm not sure yeah, hey, I'm willing, if you're willing to try. I also we would love that I'll hold my headphones away from here a little bit. Let's see how this one goes had to farm life Way bought a ah ah horse farm. We had we had three horses and I grew up riding horses. I grew up. I grew up in Michigan my my dad had like a hobby farm going up, and so I wanted to

the farm life beat. We we bought a a horse farm. We had. We had three horses and I grew up riding horses. I grew up. I grew up in Michigan my my dad had like a hobby farm going up, and so I wanted to about the farm saying and uh it didn't go really. Well. I just I I spent most the time in the recording studio and my wife would always come over and say hey if you said the horses yet and I'm like: oh crap, hey have you cleaned out the horse stalls yet crap, and so it was like a never ending. You know: hey have you done this and I'm like oh crap, so I uh, I decided that it was a bit too much responsibility, but the really honest here, and so we were really out there- we're out in the middle of nowhere on the top of a hill, actually in a little town called Centerville. It just became really tough for my wife to kind of go back and forth with all the kids. I've got four kids and then also keeping up on the horses yeah,

and so we were really out there. We were out in the middle of nowhere on the top of a hill, actually in a little town called Centerville. It just became really tough for my wife to kind of go back and forth with all the kids. I've got four kids and then also keeping up on the horses yeah. I was at a farm recently, a pig bit my daughter just the other day. Just throwing out on their for conversation is crazy. She was taking the aggressive, yeah yeah. Well, look so nice at a big smile on his face she petted and in a bitter. So in your farm, I'm just curious: did you have a rooster on your farm uh? Now, just just no roosters! I was at a farm recently a pig bit my daughter just the other day. Just throwing out on their for conversation is crazy. She was taking the aggressive, yeah yeah. Well, look so nice at a big smile on his face she petted and in a bitter. So in your farm, I'm just curious: did you have a rooster on your farm uh? Now, just just no roosters had an alarm that would go off um, I think through a cellular phone which woke us up. I think that's how we got up on the farm really had a a sailor phone that just beeped for everybody. I think I think it plays.

We had an alarm that would go off. I think, through a cellular phone which focus up. I think that's how we got up on the farm. You had a cellular phone that just beeped for everybody. I think I think it play. It would be amazing for like a ringtone right yeah, the Hojo would be a great ring tone. I was curious just like some political questions. Yeah, you don't get it. That would be amazing or like a ringtone right. Yeah Jojo would be a great ring tone. I was curious just like some political questions. Yeah, you only get. We didn't write me down. I go no! I'm like I said, I'm a fan of the be so you know, and you have been here. I've yourself is more going you've described yourself as more progressive and as a christian God. Hippie sat impresses me that you would like to be. We didn't write me down. I go! No! I'm, like I said, I'm a fan of the be so you know, and you have been here. I've yourself is more going you've described yourself as more progressive and as a christian God. Hippie sat impresses me that you would like to be,

and by digging so would you as a christian goth hippie. Does the do you ever rub you the wrong way? No well you're an ass. Never really I mean you know if you guys want more the republican route that would bother me. We've been more kind of right wing. Conservative you become I'm gonna kind of seen me further and further and human window, but you know cause I'm Kana, I'm kind of left. I guess yeah. I I tell people that I'm not very political on. You know, I'm I'm into political anarchy. I'd love to have absolutely no president's speaking window, but you know 'cause, I'm kind of I'm kind of left. I guess I I tell people that I'm not very political. You know I'm I'm into political anarchy. I'd love to have absolutely no presidents. Speaking my window guy pissed out of it well yeah I mean. Isn't there a difference between the government forcing you to do that and you get well there's really that's way, yeah. If the government's forcing us all to you go freely, it's called it's called utopia and I like that or complete anarchy yeah. I think the bee is not trying to necessarily be like Republican

just out of it. Well yeah I mean: isn't there a difference between the government forcing you to do that and you go well there's really that's a way that if the government is forcing us all to you go freely, it's called it's called utopia, an I like that or complete anarchy. I think the b is not trying to necessarily be like republican cell from christian music anymore as a solo artist. But as a member of Dc Talk, absolutely it's like the christian music meet needs, so much satire, just to kind of you know, balance it out. It needs to be so satirical that every artist becomes like Steve Taylor, overnight myself and christian music anymore as a solo artist. But as a member of Dc Talk, absolutely it's like christian music meet needs, so much satire, just to kind of you know, balance it out. It needs to be so satirical that every artist becomes like Steve Taylor overnight, just to kind of balance it out. You know who's funny. The way things are shifted, overtime, cuz. I think it was. There was a time when christian music was considered very, very sacred, like

remember the days when people were burning, their secular music and just keep DC talk but burn the other seat. Crazy, oh yeah. I, my youth group, growing up had a program where you could bring in secular cds, and they would give you like crazy. Oh yeah, I my youth group growing up how to program where you could bring in secular cds, and they would give you like, gentlemen and then and then they had a horrible. There was a big bonfire at the end of the summer. That's like an aria! Your film, like, I think, god I think God made all music. He put a copper, get copyright on it, the very beginning. So your film, like, I think, god I think God made all music- he put a copyright copyright on at the very beginning, so the dichotomy between secular and christian music. It's died down a bit. That's one reason we can laugh, look back and laugh on it a bit now, because I don't see it quite as divided that you could be. Yes, it is black and white for sure I mean as a solo artist. I started out in two thousand and one

kind of on my own move to L A didn't kind of left christian music. So I haven't been doing making christian music quote, unquote, albums since the very beginning as a solo artist, but you know, as somebody that you know, does the DC talk shows here and There- and I am a DC talk member someone. Third, you know I'm the k in DC talk. They do pull me by kind of on my own move to L A didn't kind of left christian music, so I haven't been doing making christian music quote, unquote, albums since the very beginning as a solo artist, but you know, as somebody that you know, does the DC talk shows here and There- and I am a DC talk member someone. Third, you know I'm the k in DC talk. They do pull me by skin and I'm like, I think, it's changing for the better yeah I haven't followed. I mean I'm, like really old fashion, say: listen to really old music all the time. So I have not kept up on what all the kids are. Listening to these days, my kids will turn stuff on like turn it off yeah yeah. Well, that's actually my kids love. Imagine dragons and it sounds like ccm to me,

yeah yeah kind of all sound the same. I just say that that's one reason that I actually liked the Jesus for problem is: it was so it was such a huge shift. I feel from this era, where everything was this really Expn explicitly mentioning God and Jesus and not that Jesus for it didn't. I mean Jesus in the name of the album, but you know, but there's explicitly mentioning God and Jesus and not that Jesus break. Didn't I mean out Jesus in the name of the album, but you know, but there's there's songs on there that aren't necessarily just you know. Jesus is good. Just great yeah. The heart of that record is what, if I stumble, which is basically talking about being human being and messing up and not having all the you know having having your stuff together and real, nothing that you need. You need a savior, so yeah. I think a lot of music comes from this place of like straw, pull in questioning you know and I feel like you can feel that in the album- and it's really great, I used to sit alone in my car and tried to do that. Well,

how far all that crazy, no changing it! You do. I used to try and relate belt it out. I could hate. You know that Ryan from one republic, which is what's his last name, Ryan Tedder, he does a really good Kevin MAX impersonation. In fact, he invited us to watch him open up for you too, and we all flew down to hang with him and backstage before he went on stage with you too. He did his Kevin MAX impersonation and he actually. What? If I stumble? That's the one he did. It's awesome. It was amazing dude I got it on. I got it on tape. I mean somewhere on Youtube. I'm curious about you guys work with Carmen on a song called addicted to Jesus. I'm just I just want to hear about that periods. I want stories again like you know, I was kind of like a a chorus singer and back in those days. I do not know who put those two acts together. I just knew that I was kind of

only christian artists that I ever really knew much about, like Amy Grant and ah Michael W Smith. They were kind of everywhere right, um Carmen. I didn't. I didn't know anything about him and I'll have to just be really good. Honest and not try to be cool because everybody would want to be cool when they answer this question. You know because the Babylon Bee there be cool and everything, but I'll just say that I was so young. I just don't even know like I was kind of like I didn't know if he was like, like the brand new, I don't know, be cool and everything, but I'll just say that I was so young. I just don't even know like I was kind of like I didn't know if he was like, like the brand new. I don't know you know I didn't know kind of like okay, we're gonna. Do this strange song and I remember very vaguely vaguely that whole thing and you know yet it's it's crazy to me when I, when I, when I see it or hear it, and I usually don't let it go on

weird right now. I should know kinda like ok, we're going to do this strange song and I remember very vaguely vaguely that whole thing and you know yeah it's it's it's it's cringey to me when I see it or hear it and I usually don't let it go all. It's really funny to me how you answer that- and you said you just all of a sudden we're in this video appeared that way get this feeling yeah. It's really funny to me how you answer that, and you said you just all of a sudden where, in this video appeared that we get, we get this feeling yeah, you Talkto, oh yeah, yeah. We met him. Actually you know, strangely enough, I think we did. One festival show with him and we were supposed to jump on stage and do that song. I mean, of course this was really early nineties and ah he ended up leaving the festival over some. You know discrepancy people people that of the show, so we didn't have the opportunity to be addicted to Jesus. I just love this image of.

Do you talk to oh yeah yeah, we met him. Actually, you know, strangely enough, I think we did one festival show with him and we were supposed to jump on stage and do that song. I mean, of course this was really early 90s and he ended up leaving the festival over some. You know discrepancy. He told he pulled out of the show, so we didn't have the opportunity to do the addicted to Jesus yeah. I just love this image of the band. Doing all this stuff and Kevin's just getting dragged around, and you know you're just trying you're just trying to be creative and write all this poetry and there's a god- and I am here and try to act like a beast people all right, all right, so you're doing a lot of you're doing a lot of stuff now and it's way different from the stuff that you didn't DC talk. You want to talk a little bit about. You know the fact that it was three very different individuals with three different musical tastes and I think people that have followed us from the beginning. As solo artists can see how different those albums really are from artists artists. I just I guess, I'm letting people know that that I am out there making music

the fact that it was three very different individuals with three different musical tastes and I think people that have followed us from the beginning. As solo artists can see how different those albums really are from artist to artist. I guess I'm letting people know that that I am out there making music in a lot of people, thought I disappeared after two thousand and one and then all of a sudden they're, like oh he's, still making music I'm trying to get people to realize. You know I've made fifteen albums since two thousand and one a lot of 'em are under the alternative. Whatever you want to call that genre, but I I love rock and roll. I love experimenting just into synthwave record, so I'm trying to get people to come investigate what I've been doing and I put together a record called black sheep of the fold, which is a collection of my songs from

and what I've done if they check out black sheep of the fold sound spot and then uh, the Romeo Drive, which is a synth wave record being made into vinyl by a company called old, bear records in tandem with light in the attic, so we're putting that out on vinyl. The newest thing I'm doing right now is the revisiting this planet. A cover of laree norm is only visiting this planet really kind of like a Bob Dylan protest record from one thousand nine hundred and seventy two um Larry was you know a pioneer and um with a friend of mine that I'm able to make really really cool fun, music and I'm warning people to check it out. So check check, check me out same dot com and thank you Babylon Bee for letting me sell my wares interesting when you have a band like DC talk, you could keep going for twenty years and keep releasing same record over and over, but for you guys to kind of

it's a better way to go. Looks like the police. You know how the police ended at the very top of their career. You know that sting went and made all that made all his albums and um Stuart started, making soundtrack music and they seem to be pretty happy and they stopped when they were on top. You know, really it wasn't like the police could have absolutely kept going. You know, but um. I think they just kind of hit their canopy a cz. We did at that time to um, but I feel like it's a better way to go, looks like the police. You know how the police ended at the very top of their career. You know that sting went and made all that made all his albums and um Stuart started, making soundtrack music and they seem to be pretty happy and they stopped when they were on top. You know, really it wasn't like the police could have absolutely kept going. You know, but um. I think they just kind of hit their canopy a cz. We did at that time to um, but I feel like he talked his got a few more albums in us. We'll see I mean that's wool, any rap core would unquote caught. Oh my gosh, that's hoping it simply you guys ago, full rapcore, 'cause, you never quite did get to be delayed.

We never read that yeah. I know no totally need to 70s to rap more, and I told him after this last boat trip we took together on it's on the Carnaval it on a small boat. There were people can, like you know, like rock climb right next to ski saying, I'm on board a boat. You know yeah. I had to go to the restaurant one night with my family and it was like walking through a cool springs. Galleria on this phone is amazing, is the hugest thing I've ever been out, but I told to be after I think was like the second or

good show. I just said man, I I just I I want to hear you. You know doing the hip hop save more because it's so good at it. You know he's so great at it and then, of course, my friend Michael Tait's got one of the best voices in the world used to sing more and we're doing a Christmas duet song together, see I'm still pushing my stuff. You let me you open that door work at all in and I'm pushing it so Michael Payton doing a I do at Christmas song this year. Is it cold outside? Maybe it's cool that so he's not he's Nat King Cole and Frank Sinatra: kind of pseudo, I, like it yeah yeah, you Kevin MAX Price, pushing stuff like a used car salesman. Alright! Well, if people want to follow you or see what you're doing where can they find youkevinmax dot com? Pretty simple right, you got that you got me I'm on Twitter and I'm following you guys on Twitter, and I thought Kyle too. I'm on Twitter

find me under Kevin MAX I'm going to follow you at right after this soon as soon as I parked the RV tonight, yeah I'm on Twitter on my instagram, I'm on all those Spotify thanks for joining thanks for joining this. Given we appreciate it yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you. Have a good trip with your family enjoy your chipotle. Thank you so much bye, and that was part one of our interview with Kevin it. Ah, it went a little long because we uh we got so excited to talk about all sorts of crazy, different things, but Carmen is talking to you and I'm supposed to be like this professional podcast toes, but I'm talking about a man child it hero. So for me, if he had talked the way he is talking to you and I'm supposed to be like this professional podcast toes, but I'm talking about a man child it hero. So for me, if he had talked the way he is talking to you and I'm supposed to be like this professional podcast toes, but I'm talking about a man child it hero. So for me, if he had talked the way he

things if using, I can't do it, but I feel more threatened 'cause. They feel like 'cause. Any talk doesn't sound like that, and you know Winnebago yeah. I can do it yeah. That would be hard. It's really interesting how we laid back all of our idols growing up or like normal people, we're so most like sounds like everybody's just people, weird. So that's a lot. That's enough on that topic. We're going to move on to hate, mail, hate mail. So here's the like that jingle, that's the

alright! So this is one of our favorite hate. Mails we've been trying to work this one and I don't know it's hard to say with the hate, mail or not yeah. It's love. It's a mysterious mail, so here it is, some are awful. Keep it up, so I can only think he lost it. Some of your policies are wonderful summer. Awful keep it up, keep it up. I love this format of this review is just great, so we did some googling. Because I love that she says, or is it a sheer? He remember, I think it was uh. I think it was raining and she yeah it's just yeah, keep it up, keep doing what you're doing. I really like that she, it's almost like she actually even exclamation point to keep it up. It's like she actually likes the mix of really bad. I really like that. It's almost like she actually lives. Even exclamation point. Keep it up. It's like she actually likes the mix of really bad,

really good stuff. We put out like don't be all good like. Don't you ever change, don't raise your quality at all, being half awful, so it was so anything was saying. We actually found some other reviews that this person is posts. She's posted a bunch of yelp reviews like here's. Why and I vomited until three, a dot m, five stars um, so apparently her vet, her dog, got sick, and so she left this review of our local bit. She says I took my dog to this event and they took excellent care of for though they did put her to sleep. Without my permission, highly recommended- and I think it was a five star- is probably a five star and I vomited until three- a dot m five stars um. So apparently her vet, her dog, got sick, and so she left this review of our local bit. She says I took my dog to this event and they took excellent care of for though they did put her to sleep. Without my permission, highly recommended- and I think it was a five star- is probably a five star sounds like it. She really is happy Kubur, my uber drivers car was clean and smelled great. He drove like a blind man scorpions in his undergarments great driver, and you definitely get that guy. The a c repairman fixed my a c. He also stole my television and kidnapped my family. Keep it up guys five stars,

the AC repairman fixed, my ac. He also stole my television and kidnapped my family. Keep it up guys five stars Webster. I think it is overall I'm inspired by her place. It's not all great, but she still is very. She refused like this on Amazon, a lot where someone's like this is not the product that it claimed to be. You know see reviews like this on Amazon, a lot where someone's like this is not the product that it claimed to be. You know not do what it was supposed to broken two months and they're like four out of five yeah, some places everybody just gives five stars. You see that Amazon, that's always four and five for inviting, and unless someone really hates you they're, not dipping down to three yeah of our reviews in our podcast, like that, where they, like they sales, negative stuff, and it's five stars make. Oh alright, I think there are different review cultures depending on the platform. Like some places, everybody just give us five stars. You see that Amazon, that's always four and five four and five and less someone really hates you there not dipping down to three yeah. It's always he really controversial books. You know it's like an end call book, it's all ones and fives the fans and the haters

with you, we're done with you and we're gonna go into our secret lounge we're going to go into the platinum room now, yep with you were done with you and we're going to go into our secret lounge we're going to go into the platinum room now, yeah and uh we're going to cut it off here and we're going into our subscriber exclusive segment. So, if you'd like to hear the rest of the, I guess you gotta go to babylonbee dot com, slash plans, you can sign up for any amount starting at five a month and you get access to extra content every week, which is pretty cool, really cool and also we, I don't know if we've we've integrated podcast in the website, a bit more since it's a little better. Now, it's a little better! Now I can go on there and you can list all these on there. We got an app coming soon, so all sorts of stuff. So, in the mean time will talk to you guys next week

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