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Do you think we listen thanks, and my name is money design and I'm the founder and president of the centre for biblical unity. It from your office, right dockside, in other words, for those big you dont know, is an unbelievable ministry committed to thinking publicly about race right, yes, giving an alternative to all the insanity of this cultural moment. If you like your white splaining rate of any man spreading a table, you doesn't go anywhere else. I am ass it s, but is an amazing minister. You gonna hold your book up centre for biblical unity, dot com and she also helped right this little. Gem right here can confer sitting in justice without compromising truth. Twelve questions Christian should ask about social justice. Unique is

twelve co, authors from very diverse backgrounds wing and on the big questions, but more important than any of that you, girls are my arms and how are you on the cover? Those are my arms lens. Just be honest, so founder director, ceo president of Ireland, Malta, because unity- Slash, yes, forearm model extraordinary. Yes, if you needed arms on your book, you, by the way, are you suggesting what's more important injustice or truth? Yes, yes, I was talking about my arms has good as dim diving into the title. Indochina get old, serious, fronting injustice, somewhat meaningful question. While I think that I mean, if we're gonna get there is. I think that truth would be after the foundation. Fish can identify injustice. If you don't have truth,

today. My seems rational, but it feels like right now, truth gets in the way. Needs to be set aside is of course right now Well, that's the problem. As everybody thou we're confronting there's nobody out on the street corner waving, a boo justice sign, everybody believes, are on the right side of history, but believes are pro justice. We have some other signs, actually we're, though, when I drove up doing out there, but if, if anybody's ever seen, flight of the concordance brilliant New Zealand folk parity do oh, and they wrote that they wrote a song about the controversial device of explosive issue of canine epilepsy and manage it pushes back and analyze going. You can't write about that. That's divisive, you're gonna get political and divide your fans, and gives example like

Imagine you wrote a song was Pro AIDS and there like now? it is Pro AIDS and they take us up all around the world turns out, nobody's Pro AIDS, nobody's pro injustice, So the question? Is it we're thinking? Basically, there's that category of and Jeremiah truly execute justice, which presupposes their untrue ways to execute justice ways we think we're helping and are actually hurting so like yeah? Can the plum mind for what justices has to be scripture and how to You justice that plum line has to be. before I can't adjudicate for myself. What is just are unjust. Because when I do than I I venture into a realm that is got like, or you know that.

That extends beyond my capacity? There has to be something outside of me. That says this is what justice is. This is just a very tight The light here I mean the whole thing I merely want to talk so around they start talking about justice is where does justice come from. How do you if you believe that we are just like evolved animals, then where did justice? in their justice. Is it's it's not a physical thing. It's an idea, right yeah, just as you know, you'll of ours a lie, cheat devours a gazelle and doesn't go to the confessional. Both doesn't have any sense right man. I really blew it morally and need to be more just now, and so I don't even know What is our culture? Trying to say justice is filling a moving target that's a satellite in what areas Mew yeah I'll anything yet

protest whatever it is, while one in a way that gods character is defined, is that he is just No, I don't have to look for you know all of these random beings too. To understand what justice is. I can actually look into the law because a lot of justice is defined in the law. We are told how we should interact with God and how we should interact with one another. When we look in the law, People than most vocal about social justice are like super concerned with you know I wanted the right side of history when they have the sole like, as if there is this standard outside of history. That will judge you some day. You know what they gone, but the second. You say that like what's accorded the bible or something I know somebody or not come in there I see

One of the issues behind the issues with the question like I was justice being defined and redefine its what you were saying: money about Gaza Standard, if God sovereign, he gets to define, say the meaning of our biology. He defines the them meaning and scope of government. He defines human identity and so part of What's being what's trending right now, ass quote social justice, completely inverts the creator, creation relationship, I as the creature, I define the scope of my reality. Anybody it agrees with the other questions that are fails to celebrate, it is by default my oppressors so for a lot of people waving that yea Justice and that's what they mean as we need to tear down the injustice of anybody who would Air question my sovereigns, else defined self and that's part of the problem he. So what do most people

mean when they say social justice. Nowadays, you have read the book I wasn't asking. Why did I try and decent or blackmail and others not really being about where the euro expert, so you can correct me if I'm wrong, but We then, I believe social justice is being defined right now. Is it it's it's, a system is actually the best word, but it is indeed being defined as going against the cultural norms or the cultural narrative dad promotes. Basically, we like, and what makes us feel good it's in it. more about its more about, promoting what culture says is is good. Then what

The Bible actually says is good. Some only look into the lorry into the old testament look at people who are considered, oppressed or marginalize. We will look at things like a widow, the orphan disable, the poor, the foreigner. When we look today in culture, its things that we want to promote as being good, so algae be tissue plus issues, issues with abortion, reproductive justice. So to speak, it's the things that we are now adjudicating and saying are right and when I am standing for justice quote unquote, I am standing for the things that culture is saying is right, whether or not those things are actually biblical principles and something shut up, and that is what is in the book We draw distinctions straight out of gate social as this is what we we could call, broadly speaking, publicly compatible kind social justice be

is shorthand furnaces, all the kind of wacky stuff that goes off the rails and one of the distinctions is social justice. A biblical kind love is not easily offended socially just be celebrates and encourages and inspires offended next year, the more fended. You are the more woke. You are right, social justice aid biblical Kind Galatians five I'm gonna pursued justice with love and peace and patience and kindness, the fruit of the Spirit, social justice be, is gonna invert, all that fruit, the more resentful I am, they more easily turn I am that the quicker to take offence, the more rage filled. I am, then that shows I'm really on the right side of history kind of thing. So there's all these distinctions. One final one is in a biblical.

Approached justice and recognises that we all share in the autumn identity so are all screwed up or all fallen for all broken Raul, fractured role depraved in so that shared in Adam, identity makes it impasse. But for me the point to my skin tone and say why superior because look at my lack of melanin right that that, true, the Romans three they're all have sin and falling short of the glory of God. That's a wrecking ball for any kind of identity, politics from the right or the left, and then I get my identity in Christ, from every tongue, tribe, a nation which is a new identity. I gain by these smarter, more special than anybody is by grace alone, so it's a new identity group. That's me cultural Multi Ethnic did it's impossible: even there to get some kind of a big head and superior superiority complex about the new.

kind of social justice. Just plays these games of let's drink, everybody knew this hierarchy. You know you are familiar with Robin the actual low and the intersection reality hierarchy of in a white christian males straight males and we get add four even and I who were robust, robust portly I'd, say it s husky. That makes it even more stout and we need the public so I guess you guys colonise alot more space, colonized, yes, movie theatre on colonizing at least three seats. That bet that's how you divide the human race, and it's not just like academic. It's not just in a bunch of academic journals. I see

and students and friends once they start thinking through those lenses, everybody they meet its like subconsciously, their filtering, like boom white dude white dude, oppressor, oppressor, oppressed. You clearly think this way about all these questions and answers. That's one we're treating individuals as exemplary of their identity groups that we are breaking this the greatest command to treat our neighbours ourselves, because none of us like to be treated as a stereotypes and exemplary cipher the group so as a few, the big differences Two like social justice, encompasses the solutions as well as the problems you know like when they talk about social justice, that you must agree with the full programme like if you're, not on board, with full on like communism and throw anything in a camp somewhere then your parents, my dear you, are now in the oppressive class. Yet we have to agree with the full programme by my Lord, I mean you're on board. a man who want to be before whatever's right right now

indefinitely by Norway and the good. Let's has definitely does that the parent I'm like this is the problem. You are so whether you do a bunch of research or not it. It goes on with this is the problem. We are telling you what the problem is and then we're gonna tell you how to fix the problem data. Does it matter from many of these things? A lot of it is very narrative based or thematic, and so you know my lived experience. My narrative is now my truth, and this is the problem: whatever statistics say about new? No black. We will be in plucked off by police or what truly does help benefit. Poor people are things like that. It doesn't it Hold you don't wait because the social,

justice or you know critical history. Narrative has told you what the problem is, and now they ve also offered you the solution to it right away. Great Burnet down dismantle the system. It feels like a madman. Conspiracy anything once you buy and do it you're stuck in that line of thinking You think you're way out of the area of evidence you see is just more evidence of your viewpoint. The temerity thought into in part of the argument that we impact in the book is that it's just me, its flat. I mean the people and the example I gave in many cases, for example, a shared on your show, any orders cringing the whole time, and people were comments like stop talking about that. So you talk about asking so, let's taken arachnid phobic,

Terrified spiders feel free to turn your vine down a new fund, so they standing interactive phobia and solidarity with the American affirms. Let's say, Some do has a traumatized experience with the spider. You know he's a baby in the creative and like here. Comes this dandy long legs and adjust terrifies me maybe gets like a serious spider. Biogas lookin ass, a girl hospital. It scars him somehow. So he d, looks arachnid phobia if he goes to a good psychology. the good psychiatry to get therapeutic and counselor they're going to do some form of like rational com, there it again to think through, like isn't really reasonable. For me flip out. When I see it, daddy long legs under my bed, they're gonna some form of exposure therapy to say, look, here's a picture tranches Let's talk yachts, alleged, like you're. Ok, here

Just as in your heart is an expert at your chest. Now here's a tourism in the room with spiders crawling around you're, probably freaking out that take a deep breath you're, ok, right and eventually, if a good the council is doing their job, Arachne, foe, Bobby liberated, set free from that fear and eventually be able, due to pat a traveller. Well what I call so it's been Iraq no file an hour after hour. He asked us waiting for this money back as a way of letters, solidarity irrational. Finally, but what social let us be does is the exact opposite right, because I had this experience and now I'm reading blogs and watching podcast and in listening to the media let's telling me spider everywhere there out to get you eh breathing is white, supremacist and Andromeda Angelo says somebody that it's not a question of.

Racism is being expressed here? It's? How is racism being expressed here, which sounds super whelk, but I've known people did that that this technology. That mindset is just a recipe for anxiety and crime fear and easily be triggered it. Doesnt yield flourishing. People. That's why I'm arguing the of the ages mean because now, if anybody somebody like me, especially with melanin deficiency, comes along and says You know, maybe this or that wasn't is racist is maybe it seemed then automatically I'm a spider to anybody questioning worth whether their spiders everywhere? That's proof positive there, a spider too so watch out, and I see what happens when you bring out into the church- and it is just as like, laying C4 at the foundations of the church adjust leads to total fragmentation and disunity, which is why there's this centre,

biblical unity that night together? Yes, there was a long pitch for your minister, the bank more severe than you'd, probably want in a pitch. It is interesting, you think, of first printings thirteen, the definition of love Every single one of those thing goes against social justice, like some line by line patient condemnation of kinds, keeping a record wrongs and ourselves out easily offended offended you, measures to dishonor others, Europe and its I mean what side is that all these things are a lot of these movements and social justice are being done in the name of love right you know in, but that just goes to what I consider a redefinition of love and culture. I read your book. Rosalie

we're all by using the time while you just yes last through their just one more quick point about how we were talking earlier about money. You raise the point about sovereignty, we get to define ourselves, which is also at the end of the day, mean because I'm a dad. I got for kids and I see them watching their cartoons and hearing Elsa Belt out. You know no right, no wrong rules for me, I'm free in and they get sucked into this kind of thinking. Can you sing that, though I know wrath Notre? If you beat box to it, we can do a little drive be battling with unbelievable. How, because I know you're gonna beat boxing saying you can hambone out I'll, be blogs and I cancelling ended. It a study of here. I will interpret it as I have my leotard in the car, I'm getting so

that. One more reason its mean is because, when you're buying into this no right no wrong the rules. For me, I'm free. I have the authority to define myself that's a creator, sized tat scattered to build an entire identity and then sustained it over time. That's a God size, tat, and so, when you heap that on the shoulders of small creatures, buckle under the way they just I'll under the weight and end up with anxiety disorders in their basically chronic identity crisis, because they were never intended to build and sustain their own identity overtime, such one more reason, social justice can be flat out mean I completely agree, I think, the bigger question that Water is asking, and especially the church is. Who are you see that being asked all the time. What's your gender? What's your ethnicity, what's your raised like who are you and like in this question. Back to you know the garden got it.

and even identity in the garden, and you know the serpent comes along and he questions that will surely guy didn't say now. Surely you will be, but that's tree like we have been given an identity by God and everything within the social justice narrative right now is questioning. Who we are created to be levied radioactive genesis goes. I did a whole deep die On that phrase, the temptation you will be, like God, knowing good and evil and so just baffled me for years like what's going on there and when I found was the word knowing that used in Hebrew there is the idea, If I can, just nerd out for two minutes, honours its now, just knowing like you will actually understands difference between good and evil. It's not even spiritual knowing of you ve done it now. You know it evil. Is it something way

profound there's, no real english equivalent. But it's sort of the idea of being the knowing make her of something said so the way things it is out of high school, I lived with a body, mind Dave who he's base Fer a ban called Lincoln Park and he would come home from the studio up an aim to operate their street grad. He would back from the studio, and we listen to the songs in his car and I'd. Ask him questions like hey. You know what what a factory using on your base, their oars, is at a key change whose idea was that in he knew never stumped him because he added makers knowledge, you know it's not They studied it so much, but because he made the song that way, you knew I answered. That's what's going hebrew word Satan nation, as you will be, like God, knowing meaning you get to be the knowing maker, you you get to define the scope of reality, and so that phrase that follows good and evil

let's not necessarily speaking in moral terms there, but in and I learned from a bunch of each a jewish rabbis that when you use opposites- and should hebrew you're describing everything in between so far a black and white as an ancient do I am describing every color, if I say the Beatles and creed and describing every rock band ever since the best and the worst factory is amazing. Maybe nickel, that tunnel, a man so that raise good and evil is ancient jewish shorthand for everything you will be like God, you get to be the knowing maker, the finer the sovereign Lord over everything you define biology to find marriage, you find for you to find at all and when we see it in that light man that makes so much sense out of twenty twenty one

it's. The same old genesis. Three lie that people are falling for now, it's being marketed as social justice. That's my sermon lie. Finish your book requested in Germany, Cool Lincoln Park Storms. I did get shot point Blank Dave's Bachelor Party buys Dave, the rest of the ban, was running around in LAS Vegas Desert and had a jake well on my neck, for about two mandates shot with what with the people

where is this, why murdered park was so we're running around in the desert, shooting PETE balls at each other? You came up and execution style right at the back. That's better schools! My stories get we're all dressed up like cowboys in Vegas on this trip, and I get to sign a bunch of autographs, because people thought I was in the band and they got home like that. Williams he's ninety minute, roadie users here, so I think we dig criticism that gets through. At people who oppose this idea of critical race theory or social justice. and we now believe that racism exists or let us not a price, that its is that it does is racism room on ourselves. Yes, that's one of the biggest thing. I think I hear at the center for biblical unity by Ministry partner, Christa, voluntary or- and I we

are constantly accused of. being racism deniers believe racism is a real or just denying that your black in case you didn't know, I am black and audio for audio. Listen, I've got it just as it did not make sense for the higher lash I am. I do have more melanin than everyone in this room. And but no racism is real. Reason is a sin issue and you find the word racism in the scriptures, but you can look at things like partiality, ethnic partiality, pride hatred, you know slander. These are the things that can be put together to build up racism to build this. This concept, our structure of racism, and it will go on in my personal opinion, as long as there are human hearts, because human hearts are sinful, we're pride full- and you know racism may not be your specific issue that you deal with bad don't see us getting away from it

which is to say we should fight it yeah, you definitely were not suggested right were commanded in scripture to do justice, yes- and that includes racial justice is lungs were filling those terms with with biblical me. Like you, said, not buying into criticism are partiality, and so, where Dayton switch is happening with a lot of this is racism is weekly. His man's prejudice, plus pigment prejudice plus ignorant, and so I hold some preconception on, prejudging you based on melanin levels. But it's been redefined by again a social justice, be movement to just be prejudiced, plus power prejudice, plus parents of power so that we get some of the thinking that well, our black people can't be racist

why people can because white folks hold on power. That's that's the narrative and you need recognising others. Just so many terms being redefined, invented and re redefined about every fifteen minutes that that's are the challenge for Christians. China speak clarity, these issues so. Monique. Did you what's your journey on this cuz? It mean I have to assume that I don't know if when you were younger or is you can grown up at me and you're, probably a lot of pressure to think a certain way. I don't know I mean I'm just Yes, how did you come to a somewhat defiant view if even the right way to put it, but what's your journey even sweating, nervous and ask it right with. I grew up in a ballet, and you know I was there for the first time.

sixteen years of my life and then moved to North Hollywood, which is this a suburb of allay I'm still lower income, and I feel like the conversation that we call critical race theory today was just regular conversation growing up among either my friends or leaders teachers, my mom it was you know why people think that they can t do black people any kind away, and that was the narrative that I lived from and so working in social service and always wanting to work and social service. I worked from that mentality of how do I, how black and brown kids, especially to be able to push through a glass ceiling to be able to reach the levels that white people can reach, because we just couldn't reach those levels. As I was in the frame of mind that I was in now, and you know,

Did everything in social so from social service to children's ministry to living abroad in South Africa? With this mindset coming home? I believe the Lord began a really challenge my mind, sadden through a series of different things that happened, but one of them the fundamental things that really took the whole narrative now for me was as an inter I had who came to work one day crying because she was white and just me, like you know the students in my school treat me horribly entry. Other white kid horribly are president's resigning. All because You know these, students of color, certain students of color, fell like we're racist. and we haven't done anything. I'm gonna lose grow, wasn't raises like it wasn't it wasn't that there was something bigger at work, and I began to really like in conversation with the Lord, about like hey. What in the world- and he led me on a journey to say that my paradigm that I held was wrong and I've talk to you, you know people who hold more of the ancient faith or history.

Christianity. So, like the coptic church, people within the coptic church to go before the reformation, how, with the early church of handled issues of social justice and racism in those kind of things and I've gotten like deeper into scripture. Looking you know what what do these words really mean, and how do we handle it s s Christians, and that led me to a point of saying this- isn't the way this isn't the right way weed out as family, because I truly believe that we are brothers and sisters. We don't you family like this, and from there. The centre for biblical unity was birth as a way to be able to use my voice to speak into the issues that were impacting the church of our cultures. Gonna do what culture wants to do, but in the church, There's a space for us to be able to say: hey: we don't participate with each other like that, so that's it my journey so you say: biblical unity, hell I've been unity to kind of tends to be the sanction, physical, you

opium buzzword when you're right, we're so like we say unity. You're here were you gonna write what he trying, what you really mean by union military. So when you say in your contacts, were you when you say biblical unity when you go in order there, I'm going for the fact that it is basically the first four chapters of evasions. That's why

our brothers and sisters when, when you accept Christ, we are brothers and sisters. We are now in the household of God. According to his good pleasure in the dome efficient one visions to talks about how the dividing wall of hostility has been broken down, efficient Ford House about how do we keep the unity? How do we maintaining any that we ve been given that Harkin's us back to John Seventeen where Jesus praises of I've given them what they need for night to be one he's given us? What we need will create unity. We ve been given that in so how do I maintain what I've been given? You know there's a lot of people and ministries who talk about racial reconciliation, which, in my from my vantage point, is just a list of rules that why people have to do in order for us to get to some common ground of how we can move forward. Believin racial reconciliation. I believe that when you comment to Christ and when you come into the family of God, we are reconciled, the the.

And Second Corinthians five talks about the Ministry of Right of reconciliation, which is our hearts to a central gotten into tell people hate? You can come into relationship with Jesus and you can have theirs. If there's a way to have right relationship with god- and that brings us together as family that reconciles us, and so when I talk about a biblical form of unity, its unity that doesn't have to shame you, because your white, it's a unity that does it have to believe that I am a press simply because I'm black, it's a unity that starts out first as brothers and sisters, and then we can talk about racism. We can talk about injustice, because now I have been a fight, for you know, if I just see you as my white oppressor, I don't have anything to say to you at all and- and I think, coupled with that,

and when I see you, as my white oppressor automatically either fear you resent you or have some kind of emotional response to you. But when I see you first as my brothers I can come, I can embrace. You have to fear you now. Have you gimme reason they give you side. I answer no kind of fury that we can have reservations. Conversation as I take the will monkeys are involved. Our interests are not out of his demolish view. Them accurately know either, but you we shouldn't faded mixed companies but thrown out of my book ever they know it's. It's real that we are family and you know that meat I get to go to bat free, you an end when we're family, I get to do justice in a way that I didn't get to before, because for me upholding critic, race theory for so long. I did just for people who look like me, but now,

I can't I'm I can see, went injustice is geared towards someone else, and then I can use my voice for that. That is it. Shit you being quiet during that. Yet these centres recently time you had a jump remedy Angela, would be proud and your bet you're reading your silence- and I wish I was rather the Angela what you said earlier: you'd seen examples of social justice in the church and how that can affect thing. So when you down, some one of the year, the other co authors our brother and when Ramirez How do I add my shot out: Edwin Ramirez in the proverbial life, a verbal I as workers work either wreak it he's porter rican. Yes, where does not fall on the oppression? We'll see he's

pretty abreast of pretty, but has d count William Eliza waiting for light, peeking harmonise, multiple sand. Very, very easy on the eyes and good looking has handsome privilege, as he's a big, so he shares his story. he started learning these terms for him. It was reading. Beverly Taylor is one of the big social Justice fee voices. You read her when Europe studying all this back in the day He started reading Robin Angelo Start reading time. He seek out some of the big names in that woman ever MAX Candy and he that it affected his church experience where he would walk into a predominantly white space and just instantly like he's in defensive mode and, like these are my oppressors, their know how to get me and so every conversation became about how do we dismantle all of this

vigorous white supremacy in these predominantly white spaces, and so on he tells a story. Is it slowly but surely the fruit of the Spirit, Bob Joy and peace of patients, all that just got replace with resentment rage, self righteousness, easy too. defending this all that what for the light bulb for him. He was in some rural promptly white church and their singing one of his favorite hams and he's kind of standing there with his arms cross, like you know, scowling it room of his oppressors. and he says his eyes fell on this white woman in the front row this elderly woman who just got her frankly hands stretched out to the sea just worshipping God with all her heart. any said once his eyes landed on her, it's just the blinders. I'm off. The scales came off his eyes, like that's nice,

Sister, like tat is my sister in Christ and I've been duped into an ideology that would have me see her first and foremost as my white oppressor, and he said in that but the Holy Spirit is kind of release. This flood of Bible verses, like the passages in effusions you're talking about like all passages your one in Christ that he says was just so liberating for him. He realized he had been. duped by this ideology and self you know, I would say that experiences. What a lot of Christians are going through right now in the church world in an in a christian context. Is a professor biodiversity and ice it even in the community. There is some students who start thinking this way and the minute they were so the classroom they don't see like a brother in Christ. Is there theirs theology, professor, it's like Harry, go straight. Why else

had a row. Patriarchal oppressor is running this hustling, I hate to say it, but that's that's the mindset that more more students are just buying into so very much in the church, and so my prayers The church as a whole would exe an experience that same breakthrough, that same waking up from Wolden S, that Edwin experience that our core identity in Christ makes us on a very profound level, brothers and sisters right redeem by the same father, say by the same sign inhabited by the same spirit. Injustice. Him in the idea of justice is the moment you say the word. I want justice. A lightning bolt comes down from Heaven wipes you out, because we all deserve to be wiped out and worsen, so that The thing is like social justice bees you keep calling it, which is where

that serve our sister, Cyprus, social justice me working on your laundry Babylon a hit, the right kind of Christians and iron. It feels like a version of the justice where you're, never the bad guy you'd it it's it's the kind we really want when we want. I, just as we want to focus on arson, will focus on this. Always horrible people. that are doing all this horrible stuff and we want to have have guilt and shame on the b on behalf of people who, as you know, we have to pay a price for areas, get to express it on me when I dynamically there was nobody, Agri really becomes a false gospel had it. get my not guilty for its all about. How do I look? Yes, I dont get justified not dressed in Christ. Righteousness, I'm not imputed it all of his righteousness and he takes all my sin and wrath on the cross. I get certified by projecting all. Guilt under the oppressor groups, and then twinning out my

Agnes and Solidarity so that everybody knows I'm just I'm on the right side of history? It really is one expression of core human drive to feel not guilty, but that, at the end of the day, apart Christ, that's only look at the suffering. I discovered there seems to not be a real go like a real honest. This, as if we ve got all, are all our way. This is how the world look at. It. Does like it's about how the person delivering the message looks they're all that is that two negative view arm, yes, cynical yet too cynical when I think of you know like an NGO, I think, of candy, candy has a very real in gaol, unfortunately, its utopia-

in a lot of ways. You know that when you become antiracist- and you do all of the works of anti racism and anti racism, so you know spread and bleeds into being pro algae. Bt. Q plus pro this proud that button when everyone across all times all places, are doing them. of anti racism, then we will reach the place that we should be at as a people, It is a realistic, like who's gonna get everybody on board. I can get everybody to agree in this room. You know it means a lot of everybody on board to tee. I agree with his way of of doing things, and so from that point it does so unrealistic and it in this idea of utopia. Two meters reminds me that there is a place that that will be greater than earth. You know, and I think that

many people are desiring something greater better than than earth there desiring kingdom bed their settling for this idea of man made utopia now does seem like the after such a religion. Now you know where they have. Priests and are in times predictions and their moral, snuff, immoral, lot guidelines, and this is how get better an essay sanctify herself, yet tax opponents orthodox start right now that several of the original sin yeah all that which is important to recognise that we're trying A fellow image bears we the same court D. like driving, needs like a lot My friends, who get really swept up into this date, they need connection. in a community that rallies around cause bigger than themselves which got designed as for and so the needs are being met in the church.

they're gonna find somewhere else where there's something bigger than themselves worth living and, if need be dying for yes, Sir, and the need for justification we are talking about all that is perhaps also understand. That is a way to these conversations where we are just riding people love ago you're, one of those left, these snowflake mess J W, so why give you the time of day like recognise they have deep sold evening? that can be mad. Ultimately, in the gospel. Would I be if I can be a snowflake nope address all the time that we have pointed out there isn't anything. I had a question with that Gandhi. Real gone well, think of it, while we

transition to our subscriber large would also directions to use of tea some stuff. I want to talk more about this social justice in the church if there, if you hadn't, seen any examples of institutional implementation of the stuff confused about what social justice is verses like cultural Marxism and see our tee and on its terms, may we can define some terms church, but only for people pay for its right of airlines that they were coming to us great check out a book confronting injustice without compromising truth. Doktor Thirty's, whims, just like Joe Biden, the doktor and the city and or model and then model in many

that's what I just said about the huge you helped brothers, but I did. I may contribute a continuance and those of our there s an hour to get to the point that you contributed to the actual, but so we have, I thought you said something about these tiny little humans down here. That's the Williams family death row, who's, your kids yeah. It's not that I have thirty, seven children them indifferent posts, but their little protesters. Now, there's no there's like stock photo. Sensitiveness Davies. Get that five bucks eating it. I didn't you wanted that love my children at school nurse like check me. Never one day there in a fine people will find out. That's it

silhouette now be cancelled, added through training and career later in there. I didn't think it right. That said, sorry, oh I organised than the ten questions. I think when we scary I'll, do it coming up next for Babylon, be subscribers decrease, find a free zone of aggravating area filters there without this, the problem of what what's wrong with that of the whip

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